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Surrender

  1. manatita44 profile image83
    manatita44posted 2 years ago

    "I can of my own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge, and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the Will of the Father who has sent me." John 5:30 (King James edit. Red letter).

    It seems to me that the Christ is successful and has been successful, precisely because he constantly gave all credit to God. He did not - like so many - speak of a 'free will' or wanting to act on His own. Rather he demonstrated, in so many passages in the Gospel, that He was reliant on God. He knew that of Himself he was nothing, that all power comes from Him who sent him, The Christ. Consequently, He was able to achieve His mission. How I wish to live in the true spirit of self-surrender and abandonment to the Divine Will!

    Share your thoughts on the discussion and said quote.

    1. taiwokareem profile image86
      taiwokareemposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Its true bro. We have to surrender to God before there are positive changes in our lives. Remember the lord's prayer where it said. "May your will be done on earth as it is in heaven". He never said may our will be done

      1. manatita44 profile image83
        manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Taiwo.

        Glad you appreciate this divine poem and its profundity. Higher blessings.

    2. Paul K Francis profile image82
      Paul K Francisposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      We do not need to give up our own free will when we surrender to Christ. Surrendering gives us direction; surrendering enables us to choose wisely, so when we come to those many forks in the roads, when we need to choose between meanness and kindness, or between anger or patience, we know what to do.

      1. manatita44 profile image83
        manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        What can I say, Paul. Thanks for the input.

      2. manatita44 profile image83
        manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        That is part of the problem, Paul. Man tends to think that he is in charge. Grace walks with us unseen as well as consciously. It carries us when we are weary and nourishes our inner hunger. Where do you think the capacity to surrender comes from? Yourself?

        "O Lord, I have chosen you, only because You have chosen me first." Peace this Sunday, Bro.

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          Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          You alone are responsible for your actions and your words. We are responsible for what we do to the earth and to each other. Except responsibility for your accomplishments and your errors. Stop blaming someone else, time to grow up and be a man/women.

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Well said.

    3. Righteous Atheist profile image61
      Righteous Atheistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      His mission was 2,000 years of division and conflict? sad

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      Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      You are only surrendering to your own mind. Simply giving into your sub-conscious mind rather than reason. Allowing yourself to be lied to by yourself. Welcome to the grand illusion.

      1. bBerean profile image61
        bBereanposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Just thought I would come on in and see what's happening, (I've paid the price and got my tickets to the show).

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          Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Someday soon we'll stop to ponder what on Earth's this spell we're under
          We made the grade and still we wonder who the hell we are

          1. manatita44 profile image83
            manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            So beautiful? Radman, You've just entered the Path of Self-enquiry? This is my supreme message to you. Funny thing, you seem to know this. Persevere!

          2. bBerean profile image61
            bBereanposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            But don't be fooled by the radio, The Hubs or the magazines.  They show you photographs of how your life should be, but they're just someone else's fantasy.

            Oh to de young again.  Nevertheless, some of this just styx with you!

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              Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I'm told I'm no longer to de young, instead I'm gowen to get old.

              1. bBerean profile image61
                bBereanposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                You see the world through your cynical eyes, you're a troubled young man...I can tell. 
                We see it one way when our eyes are de young, now gowan a new way we've found to be well.

        2. manatita44 profile image83
          manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Funny Man, Berean.

          Nothing happens without an inner cry, and perhaps you are hungry. No fear. I speak of the living hunger, not the mundane one. Ultimately they are intertwined but that's another story.

          Happy to have you, and hoping that you benefit from visiting this Hub. Much peace.

          1. bBerean profile image61
            bBereanposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you Manatita44.  Just an fyi regarding nomenclature; this is a "thread" on a "forum".  "Hub" refers to the publications Hubbers create and post on this site.

            1. manatita44 profile image83
              manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Yes. You are right, Berean. Thank You for reminding me. Peace.

  2. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 2 years ago

    I prefer free will and control over my own life.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Ditto.  I can't imagine living for eternity on bended knee, always a vastly superior entity giving the orders and directions.  A living hell.

      1. manatita44 profile image83
        manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        This is not the surrender of which I speak. Those who experience this state, know only supreme joy. There are no slaves and master there, only Oneness. Still, my friend Wilderness. I appreciate your input. Peace.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I guess it's a matter of perspective and attitude.  Some people need that "guiding light" in their lives; others prefer to make their own way.  As far as the concept of slavery here, I don't really see a lot of difference between "Do what I say or be tortured for eternity" and "Do what I say or be beaten and tortured, perhaps to death".

          1. manatita44 profile image83
            manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            By the way, My Brother Wilderness,

            I am a God-lover. I know very little about Religion. But yes, I am familiar with many Teachers of the Way. I walk along a devotional Path of Self-inquiry and introspection, and I speak only from the standpoint of inner experience. The Light within me, has corresponded with that of the Teachings of the Great Teachers of the world, both past and present, and so I have faith in their teachings.

            I do not know about a 'torture for eternity' from a loving God. This is not my box. I have not come into this world to sing a separation song.

            1. Righteous Atheist profile image61
              Righteous Atheistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Yet like all "gurus" you have a book to sell for profit - yes? wink

              1. manatita44 profile image83
                manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Righteous, I answer because you seem to have given me a smile. I have faith in you, in man. I feel the inner Light. Let it shine, Bro. We have no quarrels here.

                1. Righteous Atheist profile image61
                  Righteous Atheistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  No quarrels - just asking for your rationale for cherry picking what the bible says. big_smile

                  1. manatita44 profile image83
                    manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    I am not really a bible person, Bro. But I love the Christ. I love Ramakrishna and Krishna and Mirabai and Rumi ...... there's more

                    I love the spirit of unconditional surrender to the Will of the Supreme, and I love those who strive to love mankind. I commend those who sacrifice in order to elevate humanity.

                    Where are you Bro? It's quite early and I am hungry. I may eat soon. I am in the UK. What do you do?

                    Much Mehta (loving kindness)

                    P.S I like your second symbol, too.

    2. manatita44 profile image83
      manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      This is a way also. If and when it brings you pain, then let me know. Thanks for the input, Janesix.

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        Rad Manposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry, but if I remember correctly your way has caused her great pain.

  3. lone77star profile image88
    lone77starposted 2 years ago

    Beautiful, manatita44. For many years I had the misunderstanding about free will.

    As spiritual beings, we fell into darkness of the ego "self" (self-concern). This is the opposite of the outward, loving attitude of which Christ spoke.

    Being self-reliant is an illusion. It's part of the separateness that is the lie of ego.

    In reality, we are one being and depend upon one another for this reality.

    I was surprised a few months ago to learn that the Bible had been written by Kabbalists in code. It wasn't a big surprise, because I had discovered 15 years ago their "Tree of Life" matrix embedded in 2 chapters of Genesis.

    But in all the miracles that I've experienced, that is one key theme -- surrender. Ego wants to take credit for it all. When we become humble, we are following the wisdom of Christ. The "First" (egoist) shall be last, and the "Last" (humble) shall be first.

    When we love others as ourselves and wish for them everything that they desire, then we are doing as God does. He bestows gifts on all of us without distinction or reservation. The only problem on our end is that we are poor receivers of those gifts, because of ego.

    We need to learn to be better givers so that we can receive for the benefit of others instead of ourselves.

    The following short video is a real eye-opener for those who are ready.

    http://perceivingreality.com.

    1. manatita44 profile image83
      manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you my spiritual Brother, Lone star.

      I have read your words for some time and seen you grow. I know that your slant have been different lately and for the better. They were good before but from my standpoint, you've improved. Perhaps the lady has helped you, Bro. (smile)

      You and I, we are both sojourners along the way. I stress on practice and inner experience quite a lot, but I have also sat at Sri Chinmoy's feet for 32 years. Perhaps this is my advantage.

      So happy to hear from you and to see your growth. I am growing too. The concept of Self-transcendence, is an ever-transcending one. Much Mehta. (loving kindness)

      1. Sed-me profile image81
        Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        One of my hero's of the faith is a man by the name of KP Yohanan. I wonder if you've heard of him?
        http://kpyohannan.org/ He gives away many of his books and I can say they changed my life.
        http://www.gfa.org/kpyohannan/

        1. manatita44 profile image83
          manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I'm glad that he inspired you. Good is what takes you towards the Light, and 'lesser good' is what seemingly takes you away from it. Never do what makes you weak. Have an intense faith in Something Higher, and walk in prayer with your brothers and sisters: mankind. There is more ... but you will discover this yourself with progress.

          Thanks for your contribution, Sed-me.

          1. Sed-me profile image81
            Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            So you haven't heard of him?
            Ok, then nice talking to you. smile

        2. bBerean profile image61
          bBereanposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I had not heard of him or this ministry before.  Having spent some time at the site now, I must say it is both inspiring and humbling.  They are worthy of support.  Thank you for sharing the information.

          1. Sed-me profile image81
            Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Please order one of his free books. "Revolution in World Missions" is a terrible title, b/c it is the story of his life, which was awesome. His ministry is amazing as are his books.

  4. taiwokareem profile image86
    taiwokareemposted 2 years ago

    There is a verse that says Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    This is an assurance and free will. Any other thing that brings depression or pain or burden is not from God so if you feel this way and call yourself a religious person, it's worth thinking about life again.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image88
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    Surrender is not submission. Surrender has to do with free will. Submission has to do with abandoning will. Abandoning will-power is not in the cards.
    Mine anyway.

    1. manatita44 profile image83
      manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I speak of unconditional surrender to the Will of the Supreme. Jean Pierre du Cassaude, the great Christian Saint, called it Abandonment to Divine Providence or the Sacrament of The Present Moment.

      Those who know, ultimately say: "O God, I came to you knowing that you came to me first." So ultimately, there is a continuous thread of underlying Grace.

      Thanks for the input, Kathryn.

  6. Perspycacious profile image75
    Perspycaciousposted 2 years ago

    The one thing we can give to God that He doesn't have is the free agency/free will He gave to each of us.  When we surrender our will to the will of our Heavenly Father (by living for Him in keeping with His commandments and giving Him the glory) we find a joy and a happiness we cannot fashion on our own, but with God everything is possible.

    1. bBerean profile image61
      bBereanposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Well said.  +1

    2. Righteous Atheist profile image61
      Righteous Atheistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting - another one limiting god. Why is it that you guys don't shine with joy and happiness then?

    3. manatita44 profile image83
      manatita44posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Yes. So happy that you see this, Perspycacious. True wisdom here.

 
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