How does a blue sky indicate there is no "invisible super being"?

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   atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

   Just a question for anyone who may have the answer.
   
   No fight, no argument I am very genuinely curious about that.

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      shamelabboushposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Because it's a scientific thing! The blue color of the sky is due to Rayleigh scattering. As light moves through the atmosphere, most of the longer wavelengths pass straight through. Little of the red, orange and yellow light is affected by the air.
      
      However, much of the shorter wavelength light is absorbed by the gas molecules. The absorbed blue light is then radiated in different directions. It gets scattered all around the sky. Whichever direction you look, some of this scattered blue light reaches you. Since you see the blue light from everywhere overhead, the sky looks blue.

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         atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Ok, and how does any of that indicate there is no invisible super being?
         
         I am not trying to argue, just want the question answered.
         I get that the sky being blue has a scientific explaination for it being blue.

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            frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            It also doesn't indicate that there is a God.

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            shamelabboushposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Why don't you explain more?

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            \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I love god i believe he created the sky, that is my opinion... do you realise you are annoying non believers so much and giving people like me a bad name.... they think we are all like you..... cant you give it a rest

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               ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Very well said Brenda. The thing is, most non believers and most believers are very respectful to the beliefs of others. I have christian friends, I even have muslim friends. But people like this are going to find it very difficult to hold friendships outside of their own belief system, which I find a little sad to be honest.

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                  atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  lol Yes you are both right. I mean, why post and answer questions in a RELIGION forum about my faith and belief system in God! How ridiculous is that?!
                  

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                     ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     What the fuck has religion got to do with the colour of the sky? Its got a lot more to do with science, its all well and good practising a religion......... but a basic education can be rather complimentary to this. You asked a question, and you are getting an answer. This is not the "Atomswifey's Opinion Is The Only One Allowed" forum, religion is one of the worlds most diverse topics. I like to sit on the outside and view them all, whilst you sit on the inside and see nothing but 'evil' outside.

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                        atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I did not say my opinion or belief is the only one allowed. I just say mine is relevant as well to the forum topic. and I did not offer any opinion as to the answer of this question I asked in the first place.
                        
                        And as far as where I sit:
                        "...the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." 1 John 5:19
                        
                        "...do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.... Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good." Romans 12:2, 9
                        
                        "Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world -- the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life -- is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever." 1 John 2:15-17
                        
                        
                        
                        "Jesus answered, 'My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here." John 18:36
                        
                        "If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you." John 15:19-20
                        
                        "Friendship with the world is enmity to God." James 4:4
                        
                        
                        
                        "...the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1:5

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                           ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Fine, whatever, your the one that lives your life reading the same old 2000 year old book..... get yourself down to Waterstones or Ottakers, they have a huge selection these days you know. You never know, you might even be able to waste your entire life typing quotes from another pointless book instead?

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               atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               “Therefore whoever shall be ashamed of Me and of My Words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man shall also be ashamed of him …”, Mark 8:38
               
               2 Timothy 1: 6-9
               6)For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands. 7)For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline.
               8)So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God, 9) who has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace.

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                  \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  with all due respect this is nothing to do with religion...... you are not well, isn't that the case

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                     atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven.
                     (Matthew 5:11,12)

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                        Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Oh, I get it, you are trying to get insulted so your reward will be greater.  You are doing a good job then. Smoff,smoff, smoff.

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                        \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        because of Jesus, not because of the way you conduct yourself in the forums .......... badly by all accounts

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      cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      i don't understamd this question but no matter. what matters is that you believe, right?
      
      best regards.

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         atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         Hi cosette

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      Tom Cornettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Athiests sure do buzz around your forum posts.  Ever think about getting into marketing? 

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         atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         LOL I have!
         

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      Luciendaskyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      just so you know, it is because of people like you that I left the church... and will never go back. I will never appear in the religious forums again.

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         Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I understand that one! But surely a forum allows you to express in the company of others of similar veiws:   insanity vs sanity.
         
         @ Brenda... Sorry, it was to you B4.

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            \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            i am here now, what was the question... i kept going over to the sex forum.....

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               Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               No it doesn't matter now Brenda.. Thanks anyway.
               Read the previous post to yours..... Is She OK?

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   badcompany99posted 13 years ago

   I keep my beliefs and religion to myself, if others did the same the world would be a much better place. If you believe then big deal, if ya don't like who gives a shit because I sure as hell don't.
   
   Hubs should actually take the Relious Forum and burn it to the stake because it attracts all the nutters, fills the forums with pure BS and causes most of the arguments. I am sure the religious nuts will find another meeting place, it deff is making Hubs Forums look like an asylum for weirdos.
   
   God bless you all !

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      Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well Said BC

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         waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Again well said...it seems all religious types are following the pilgrimage here to the hubpages forums and it bores me to death!!

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      shamelabboushposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well said, it seems that I should've said all that before in the first place...

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      \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      thank goodness i am not a nutter, i stay out of religious forums, i find them totally off putting to anybody and every body, which is a shame but a sad fact

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      ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I can see potential for a business deal here BC, all we need is $947 to start a forum, and to think of a way to take all the nutters there with us. We then split the $947 in two, that works out at about £40 each...... so an afternoon in the pub, before heading our seperate ways to return to our laptops, where hubpages will be free of the lunatics and, dare I say it, fun again. Sound like a plan?

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         badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I only said the religious lunatics Ryan, I will still be here

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            ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes but there are lunatics, and there are lunatics, you may be a lunatic. But you are most definitely not a lunatic.

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   No one would consider you to be Brenda.

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      \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      thankyou very much Pearl diver, hope not

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         ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Nope, you are one of the few normal ones on here.

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            \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            if you say i am normal i am normal thankyou..... you are funny.

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         badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Deff I didn't mean you Brenda, I am talking about the diehard twats !

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            \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I know, they really do give religious people a very bad name, but most people understand they don't represent us all of course.

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               badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Brenda I believe in God myself, thats my point, I keep my religious beliefs to myself. Why would someone want to continually spew this crap on a website. The above question is like something a 4 year old would ask, pure and utter BS at the highest level !

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   badcompany99posted 13 years ago

   For example the very heading of this thread, like please !

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   badcompany99posted 13 years ago

   Well I just checked out a few of the top Religious Hubbers Hubs and I noticed that Religious Hubs actually throw up some great Adsense Ads so thats why Hubpages welcomes the Fanatics. I think I might start writing some Religious hubs, I wonder do you have to save then first ??

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   \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years ago

   yeah write some hubs on religion, or what you have seen religion do in your part of the world, and why it has not stopped you believing.   You could earn big bucks, take pictures of Belfast, or use pictures of the internet... and then take me out for a drink when you are rich..... go for it man

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      badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I wrote that story on another writing site Brenda a few years ago, I covered part in my Guardian Angels hub. It is more a question of what I haven't seen, and I think tis a story most hubbers would not want to read.

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         \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I would love to read it.... everyone has heard of the troubles in the North, but who has lived amongst it but you on here,,, you have a world wide audience.  Relate the story without getting too emotional, with pictures found on google images, and do it in sequal form, keeping people waiting for the next installment..... AH GO FOR IT,  GO FOR IT

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            badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            How could it not be emotional, as for my face on my profile Ryan I have no fear of writing about what goes on within the North or the full uncut version of the Troubles.

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   smokenchicposted 13 years ago

   Brenda I am a girl, but I will take ya with me, I am heading out the door to find some available men and have myself a real cold beer.

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      badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Take Cabin Girl with you, be two real females bonding !

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   ryankettposted 13 years ago

   I tell you what, that would be an excellent idea BC. Nobody on this entire site understands the shit in Belfast like you do, that would get you some excellent reads.
   
   I suppose you would have to be impartial though, otherwise you probably dont want you face on it..... yeah, on second thoughts, possibly a bad idea?

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   This Thread has been started as a result of 2 others (with this party) being closed down in the last few hours.
   The question came from Mark's answer to this one, not being acceptable to this one.
   Like a Purple Albatross at a carboot sale... It keeps coming back over & over
   If you appreciate Billy Connelly's humour... You probably know what he said when a banger with equal persistance, knocked on his door:lol:
   
   @Brenda... You are Most Welcome.

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      \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I saw one closed down, but did not know there was two,,,,, ah well live and let live aint that the way it should be,,,,, Billy Connelly's humour is brilliant, i can imagine what he would say to anyone that annoyed him..... hello by the way, nice to see you around...

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         Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thankyou.. good to see your balanced approach again. Don't forget what we talked about... I haven't and when I've built a hub base.. we'll talk again on the travel thing, yeah?

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years ago

    was it London or Granada?????????

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I'll email you next month on this Brenda... don't worry atm.

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years ago

    I know it would be emotional, but write it like a reporter would have to  write it an eye witness...... i think it would be very theraputic for you also to be honest

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       badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think I actually will write it, last time I wrote it to a British audience, I think an American audience might learn from the full story. Ok I will !

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          \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          The Americans will absolutely love it...... they love all things Irish, of course, the English wouldn't, but in all fairness a lot of british people, don't really understand the IRISH/ ENGLISH difficulty, i have learned more about the english history since i have lived here for 12 years than ever i did in England..... Write a best seller, you must know everyone on hub pages is willing you on for that big break, and you have the story of a life time to go at...... i wish you luck my friend

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    yoshi97posted 13 years ago

    Actually, there is a proper reply to this question, and it doesn not involve calling one a nutter ... though I can understnad how recent uproars might have some in a tiff and lurking for the next round.
    
    I said I wouldn't be back to the religion forum, but in this thread I see a simple question asking for a simple answer ... though the source might be tainted.
    
    Therefore, I'll answer the question, as some feel the need to offer barbs instead of earnest replies.
    
    AW, belief is all about believing in something that can neither be proven or disproven. As such, you can't prove there is a God anymore than someone can prove there isn't.
    
    Science has never disproved God, it has simply offered explanations for how things occur. Where things get bunched up in a knot is when scientists try to disprove God, or believers try to disprove science.
    
    You see ... most science cannot be disproven, as it is all based on oberved facts, and thus, is provable again, and again, and again.
    
    This is why scientists often ahve a problem with the concept of God, as it's something they can't directly observe, measure, or perceive.
    
    Those who have seen God have never actually seen him physically manifest in front of their eyes and those who have seen his works never saw him visibly doing them. God is given credit, as they perceive great things come from God.
    
    Also, no one has ever actually heard God's voice. What they have 'heard' is an emotion compelling them to seek out God.
    
    Does this mean God doesn't exist? Not at all.
    
    To turn the debate ... black holes definitely exist in the universe. However, we can't see them, measure them, or hear them. We simply know they exist by the effect they have on things around them. Now, if one wanted to, they could say a black hole was God, and science would argue with that ... but who are we to say what a black hole really is if we can't experience it physically?
    
    So long as one person believes in God ... God exists. Maybe not in physical form, but it's belief that makes what is believed in real, and I think that's what many believers and non-believers forget.
    
    Also, religion is not a 'right or wrong' thing. You can't tell someone they read the bible wrong or believe things wrong, because we all learn religion differently. With several thousand different religions in existence, who can honestly say which one is the right one? Not one of us, as the leader of each religion claims to have communed with God and heard the ultimate truth.
    
    That's why I felt the need to leave the religious forum, as another dared to say I had learned everything wrong, which was a direct insult to my beliefs, and I don;t come here to be insulted. After all, a religious person insulting a religious person in a religious forum is like a wealthy man robbing another man at a MAC machine.
    
    As a person of religion, you should be able to accept the ridcule of those who don't believe, as their doubts exist as a trial to your beliefs. By contesting their mockery, you admit you must defend your beliefs, when you should be certain enough of them to not have to offer any defense.
    
    It's those who tell others their beliefs are wrong that are the ones you should fear, as they exist only to serve their own agenda ... as witnessed when the Reverand Jim Jones convinced his flock to comit suicide back in 1978, knowing full well what religious doctrine has to say about suicide.
    
    So, does a blue sky indicate there is no 'invisible super being'? As it can be explained by science, one can easily say God doesn't make the sky blue, but what created the universe in which that sky resides? That ... is the question.

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       brilliant now we know

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    Actually it is pretty ridiculous the way you do it.

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    Atomshubby... You a Devil for punishment!
    Determined to open your mouth to change feet
    Judging by your previous post.... There is room for both feet!
    
    Get a Life mate!

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    Mark Knowlesposted 13 years ago

    LOL
    
    You really are desperate aren't you?
    
    Simple - you accused me of arguing with you and stated that I would argue that the sky was not blue just for the sake of having an argument.
    
    I was merely pointing out that making a statement such as "the sky is blue," is a completely different proposition than making the statements you are making such as - "there is a magical super being in the sky that tells me I need to shout at you until you feed me to the lions because I am so incredibly annoying and hate filled."
    
    So - we both agree there is no invisible super being? I want you to respect that viewpoint because it is the truth.
    
    And of course science has proven there is not a god. That is why you do not want to educate yourself about anything scientific.
    
    Scary huh?......

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       aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I would have thought this discovery would have made headlines all over the world.
       "IT'S FINAL. THERE IS NO GOD. SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE."
       (See front page of mad magazine, or something.)

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Mark are we together on this one..... seems like it.

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    atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

    science has proven there is no god?!!! Wow what a revelation! Hold on, ... uhm, .., uh so where are the headlines about that little tid bit of news?
    
    Wow Mark, you so smart

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       Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You are shouting the headlines right now. And I am sure you will shout them louder and louder as time goes by and your religion goes back to the bronze ages where it belongs. 
       
       At least you recognize how smart I am though. That is a step in the right direction.

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    O Well.... Another Day.. Another Deity

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    atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

    Remember the words I spoke to you: If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.
    (John 15:20, 21)

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       yOU WOULD NOT BELieve how much of the bible i have read, really i mean it,.,,,,,,,  so that scripture is really inprinted on my mind...... if i go talking about my religion and someone is rude to me, i remember it....... Then so i would not irritate them further I stop....... Imitating Jesus means always being kind to people ,,,,,,,,, Lady the people on here do not want your message.... imitate Jesus and wipe the dust of your feet and try somewhere else, but thanks any way....

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          aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, BUT, you are not the ONLY person here!

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             \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I know that but did you see yesterday this link was closed down twice, and the same thing is going over and over and over again.  Some people are interested in their comments then that is fine, i will go away now and let you talk to with them sorry about that.  IT just gets tedious sometimes dont ya think....

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    Mishaposted 13 years ago

    Come over here girl. Since you are that desperate to suffer, i can give you some BDSM

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       smokenchicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Misha, what does BDSM stand for? clueless in nowhere land...lol

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          badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Cuckoo Land, yer in the Relious Forum !

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             smokenchicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             that would be me, but I still don't know what that means (BDSM)...lol

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                Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                A whole new world
                
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM

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                   smokenchicposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   oh in obedience, thanks for the lesson...lol. Yikes!!!

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                      Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      You are welcome any time!

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    atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

    The Accuser: satan
    satan's target - your heart and conscience; Satan's weapon - accusation; Satan's purpose - to bring an indictment by God's will;
    your defense - the interceding Son.

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       badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Doncha just hate an interceding son, ours used to but we kicked him out !

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    atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

    John 15:18-21
    
    “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you... If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you... because they do not know Him who sent Me."

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    atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

    Acts 4:18-20
    
    " Then they... commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus.  But Peter and John replied, “Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey you rather than God.  For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.”

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       badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Babe, the only Act is you !

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       Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you for significantly reducing the length of your posts, I appreciate it

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    atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

    Acts 5:28-29
    
    “Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man’s blood on us!” But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: 'We ought to obey God rather than men.'"

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I don't think god meant on hub pages, annoying people...

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          atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Really? And who do I annoy? Do you speak for everyone who reads? And too,
          
          1 Peter 3:14-15
          
          "But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you are blessed. “And do not be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.” But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, AND always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear."

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          aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I still don't GET IT!
          It's the RELIGION forum FGS!
          If it bothers anyone, go to another forum!
          I'm not into the arts. I don't go into the "arts" forum! How complicated is that?

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    atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

    And no this thread was not closed yesterday

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I stand corrected i thought it was....... well the same subject anyway..... what do i know any way,,,,,,,, i am going for a coffee, are you coming any one

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    atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

    1 John 3:13
    
    "Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you."

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       so you happy now the world hates you goodbye from me

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          atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yes I am!
          
          If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. John 15:19

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             badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Ok hands up the 32 braindeads that fanned this headbanger ?

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                ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                About 4 good people that have made a mistake, about 14 religious extremists, and about 14 habitual fanners.

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                   badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Even worse, 5 of my fans lol !

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    Randy Godwinposted 13 years ago

    Ta ta, chosen one.

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    Fairbearposted 13 years ago

    If there is an invisible super being, it doesn't matter.
    
    Because if He exists, He is invisible in every way imaginable.
    
    He does nothing.
    Says nothing.
    Can't be seen.
    Can't be heard.
    No one can agree about Him.
    
    So what difference does it make if He's there or not? Everything would be just the same if He wasn't.

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       we have all moved over into the who likes sex forum now and we are all agreeing i think.....
       
       GET OUTA HERE WHY YOU ARE STILL SANE

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       ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Very true, at least Casper made a movie.

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       tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        

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    badcompany99posted 13 years ago

    Does the wee guy on the right get to talk in yer house ?

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    cindyvineposted 13 years ago

    Wasn't Blue Sky a band?

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I DO BELIEVE IT WAS..... how are you.

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    Lost The Plot 1:6-66
    
    And Thoth said.. "Go forth oh moose; in a carboot sale you will find your keeper. This world as it is will not be yours; as it is not a sane place should a moose call. Many will ask of you Why do you have such a shallow life? Do not ask this of yourself as you have chosen to be mooselike; but rather ponder the need that you have to take medication for the ailment of being Completely F...... Loopy!"

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       do you remember Basil Fawlty putting up the moose in the hotel.

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          Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yep absolutely... This is the Same One!!!!

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             \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             my favourite line in that was to the nurse
             
             GOD YOU ARE UGLY.... REMEMBER

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       rednckwmnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       OK. this is the best thing I have ever read in a religious forum.
       I would be your fan now, if I wasnt already.
       about the whole sky being blue proves there is or isnt a god? is this like those math questions you have to do in grade school, where they put in stupid useless info? I really truly do not understand this question?

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    waynetposted 13 years ago

    Help Help nagging wifey is messin with our heads...abandon all logic and reasoning, he didn't want an arguement and is more than likely putting on a sock puppet show (as Darkside would say)but yet he/she is spouting relgious quotes, typical of a religious nutjob, probably got alphabetical bookmarks on all of em!
    
    And the original question in question just doesn't make sense if you think about it....
    
    How does a blue sky indicate there is no invisible super being?
    
    WTF....are you on drugs?!!!!...too many magic mushrooms my friend!!!

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       tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       A blue sky indicates there's no super being. If it were, he could turn it to red. I think ?

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          ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Red sky at night, Shepherds delight
          
          Right, march on forth...... lets kill all the Shepherds immediately.

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          waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          A blue sky might indicate there are no clouds...yep that's it! thank god for logic!( no wait a minute, god isn't a logical solution...I worked it out for myself...Amen!)

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Repent Devil

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    atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

    "Just as they have chosen their own ways,
    
    And their soul delights in their abominations,
    
    So will I choose their delusions and bring their fears on them;
    
    Because when I called, no one answered,
    
    When I spoke they did not hear;
    
    But they did evil before My eyes
    
    And chose that in which I do not delight."
    
    Hear the word of the Lord, you who tremble at His Word;
    
    Your brethren who hated you,
    
    Who cast you out for My name's sake, said,
    
    'Let the Lord be glorified that we may see your joy,'
    
    But they shall be ashamed." Isaiah 66:3-4
    
    “These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace.  In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
    
    Now I have other things to do today so
    God bless and bye

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       THAT Atomshubby.... Is the Sickest Orgasm I have ever had the misfortune to read
       Yes... You have overcome

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    atomswifeyposted 13 years ago

    "Just as they have chosen their own ways,
    
    And their soul delights in their abominations,
    
    So will I choose their delusions and bring their fears on them;
    
    Because when I called, no one answered,
    
    When I spoke they did not hear;
    
    But they did evil before My eyes
    
    And chose that in which I do not delight."
    
    Hear the word of the Lord, you who tremble at His Word;
    
    Your brethren who hated you,
    
    Who cast you out for My name's sake, said,
    
    'Let the Lord be glorified that we may see your joy,'
    
    But they shall be ashamed." Isaiah 66:3-4
    
    
    
    “These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace.  In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
    
    bye now
    God Bless

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    yoshi97posted 13 years ago

    Ya know ... I wrote a big long speech backing you up yesterday AW, but after reading some of your responses I have come to believe the band might be playing the right song.
    
    Rather than offer logical replies you continue to dive into a book for words that were written thousands of years ago which do not constitute proof.
    
    Read The Illyad or The Odyssey, and ask yourself, did those things actually happen? We might believe so, were it not for the fact we know nowadays they are fables.
    
    I'm not saying the bible is made-up, but with no concrete proof that it was written back then as an actual account of events, I find it an unreliable testimony.
    
    Unlike many of 'the flock' I don't find the need to recite versus to back up my faith. I believe, simply because I can't explain everything, and see a need to believe some creator must have created it all. Now, some scientists might call this creator evolution, the big bang, or any name they will - I won't call them wrong, as I agree with them.
    
    How is that possible? Because creator and creation to me is the same ... an unseen force that makes things happen.
    
    And does that unseen force tell me to do good things? Actually, I do those on my own, as it works well in the balance of things. Life runs with a better harmony when we work together. Don't believe me? Have two men carry a couch into the same room, but walking in opposite directions. It take forever, you'd see.
    
    I am happy that you have faith, and some of the ridicule you have received has saddened me - but then again - I do see you as stoking the fires, as you are asking your side to be heard without giving any possibility of listening to the other side.
    
    That's not a debate ... that's a talking down to ... and that's what many people don't care for.
    
    You want to tell us about God ... I'll listen as long as you want to speak, as we share many similar views. However, if I disagree with any of your views, I don't care for a 'I'm right and you're wrong' attitude' because 'your book told you so'.
    
    I have a book to, and my book disagrees with many of your views. Shall we toss them both into a fire and see which book refuses to burn? For sureley the truth would refuse to burn right? In-case you don't know where I am headed with that ... that's trial by ordeal, which states if you live through an awful ordeal, then you are proven to be innocent ... thousands died from this, as people were too foolish to see that any horrible ordeal is unsurvivable, regardless of one's purity.
    
    And that's where I draw the line, where one tries to determine the purity of another through words meant to provide an oral trial by ordeal.
    
    Accept that yours is not the only words to be heard, or close your ears and appear aloof. The choice is yours, but I am here to tell you that Chirstianity is not the only religion in the world, and not all religions revolve around a diety - such as budhism. So, while you might think every religious thread must talk about God and Jesus, in all fairness to every religion out there, there must also be threads that DO NOT include them. Otherwise, this forum would need to be renamed 'the Christian forum.

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       you have seen the light...

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       atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I did not state in any way that my beliefs are to be the only ones expressed. Nor Did I state that every thread MUST talk about God and Jesus.
       I said that it is only reasonable that being a religion forum one would assume there would be those, like myself talking about God and Jesus and His Word and that in that it is not ridiculous as it was accused that I write in, post in and start threads pertaining to God and Jesus.
       I have a right to do so just as much as anyone else regarding their respective religions.
       
       If I become hated for stating my beliefs, so be it.

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          ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Christianity is not the worlds only religion. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, many Chinese religions, Sikhism. I could list over 20 without even looking them up. Sitting amongst those beliefs are those that can be considered Agonostic/Athiest/Nonreligious/Secular - these make up over 1 billion of the worlds population; and they have just as much right to impose their beliefs on you as you do on us. Which is why it is best if nobody tries to impose their beliefs on anybody, which you have continually and constantly attempted to do. You can only expect people with other beliefs to do what you have done, otherwise you sound almost as hypocritical as your stupid tatty book.

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       rednckwmnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       ya know what stinks? every once in a while, I try to get some genuine questions answered, and I usally get ignored, cuz I didnt slam anyone with big words and proof and nasty insults. I mean as far as MOST believers go. There's a couple of real nice ones out there. OR I get the whole..your being difficult, and have faith..speech. Atom's wifey....I understand you dont want ot be called names. No one does. you believe what you believe, adn you are 100 percent allowed that. But you never ever repsond to an "unbleiver" unless they are atacking you.You are all..."oh thank you fellow beliver" or...well...responding to other comments. did ya ever think, that maybe, there are people out there with a need to hear "the truth", explained in a polite manner? Some people have been thru hell, in the name of God, and yet aren't willing to give up just yet, you are not in any way, helping "the cause." I did actually ask you to email me yesterday, but you were too busy defending yourself from the awful Mark. Peace out girl scouts, Im over to the sex thred now....

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          \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          we have come back here for a row, you missed us.... i am coming back wait for me

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          atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          atomswifey wrote:
          
          I CLOSE THIS WITH THIS PRAYER FOR YOU AND OTHERS:
          "[That you may really come] to know [practically, through experience for yourselves] the love of Christ, which far surpasses mere knowledge [without experience]; that you may be filled [through all your being] unto all the fullness of God [may have the richest measure of the divine Presence, and become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself]"! Ephesians 3: 19
          
          This was a posting of mine some time ago. I think if you researched a little further you would find out that I answer as I am asked. And I answer in truth through His Word as it is truth. If that makes me impolite in their eyes, then so be it.

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             \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             amen thankyou

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             mohitmisraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             So true
             and become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself]"! Ephesians 3: 19 

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             rednckwmnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Hey, you answered me? OK. I did not "research" sorry. It takes a super long time for me to go thru all the old stuff, as I have a 1998 computer. Could be an "excuse" I know, but really, it shuts off alot. I said I didnt have "proof" and all that. Could ya mabe give me a link? I am not being a jerk, I just dont read thousands of posts....I know, your used to getting attacked by "unbelievers." for the record, lets just say..I am undecided. Here's your chance to save somebody.
             as far as your prayer goes...honestly, no mean-ness intended, simple fact. you need to know where people are coming from...every single time I have been thru hell, (and by reading the thing about your baby who got saved, you knwow what hell is)....someone said to me..Ive been praying for you.
             What did I do wrong? Why did my baby die, and not yours? I believed with all my haert and soul, and I was thrown out of my house, my church, my family. Everyone I knew turned their backs on me. I cried and cried and prayed an prayed..my niece died, my brother in law killed himself... and you want to say ..do your research? really?? WTF?!!!

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                ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                If people from your church turned their backs on you after that happened to you, then they better not really believe in what they preach; else they will be heading
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    badcompany99posted 13 years ago

    Nobody hates you, yer just a bore !

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years ago

    everybody is warmed up now....... wow what a forum this is

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    Why did you leave?  There has been a great deal of Self Gratification here

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years ago

    who are you talking to pearl diver

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    rednckwmnposted 13 years ago

    DUDE!!!!! I toatlly pulled an AW, I said end of discussion, yet I am still here..sorry all.. Wow. its so easy to get sucked in. Luv ya guys on my side..you know who you are...I am outta here for reals yo.

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Are You OK?

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          rednckwmnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          oh, yeah. all's good. I just get so mad, and I know I shouldn't...just the time of year I suppose. How are you?

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          rednckwmnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Hi everybody. I feel stupid. I wanted to say some stuff to a few people, and chose this moment to qoute, as it was the shortest.
          To all who said "are you ok?"..I am fine. I flipped yesterday, I am sorry. The religion forum is NOT a smart place for me to go, if I am alrady feeling a litle blue. I will stay out of here after this, for a good long while.
          
          I would really like to simply retract my big anti-prayer speech, but as it got quoted a couple times, I cant.
          
          Atom's Wifey, you do have a way of pushing buttons. I am sure you mean to share your love of God, it can come out rather abrasive. I had no right to get upset with you, I am sorry. You are under no obligation to respond to anyone, at anytime. When soemone says they are praying for me, it makes me crazy, and it has nothing to do with you. SO, once again, I say I am sorry for my childish behaviour.
          
          To Yoshi....
          "You did not wish the bad things to occur, nor if you had would this have made them so ... as such ... I will let you know that those who have passed judgment upon you were rash, cruel, and unfeeling, which is why you should reject their judgments and live as good a life as you can"
          
          Thank you. No one wished bad things to happen. I am trying to live as good a life as I can, and I think that is all anyone can do. Whatever thier belief system is. I have my own issues concerning God, christianity, and all of that, but never should ahve projected them onto someone else. I had a bad day, got a littel crazy wiht the keyboard, and am going to stay out of here for a while.
          
          Have a great day everyone.

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             atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             No problem
             I have those days too, we all do.
             Just hang in there and in the words of one of my friends, Keep on keeping on.

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    tantrumposted 13 years ago

    Atomswifey  messing around with her 'proud' 'wise' words !!

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       tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Cheer up rednckwmn !  Only foolish words

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          rednckwmnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Im ok. see how she hasn't responded yet? its that whole..I pray for you, poor slutty misdirected moron...but I wont explain anything unless you attack me personaly, thing that pisses me off. Shes is soooo not the first...then again, maybe she had to go eat lucnch, and doesnt even know this is all going on. It is so easy to jump to conclusions on the computer. I have had a bad couple of days, and am jumping to conclusions, and Im sorry for that. I put up a new chapter, and I promise, it has a happy ending at the end of it all.    luv ya!!!

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             \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             i was so busy jumping in and out of the sex forum i think i missed something here..... ah well you are o.k. are you

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years ago

    oh yeah i am fine...... i cannot keep up with all the arguments in here, too many men, shouting each other down, in the name of religion, as religion has nothing at all to do with it..... had half a day off work, so spent it on my new computer....... how are you doin'  HA HA JUST REALISEED you were not talking to me at all...... i am outa here just for now

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       ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       No, no, Brenda.... not you, is "she" ok

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       rednckwmnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You got your new computer? YAY!!!!! you MUST be loving it.  so happy for you.  hugs

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          \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          can you believe it at last..... i switch it on and it comes on, no waiting i hour or so, really going to move forward now, and write some decent hubs.... hence the avatar, moving forward.

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             rednckwmnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Oh, I am so excited for you!!!! I have things in tehe works, I may get a new computer before the end of hte year. Oh. I am soooooooooo happy for you!!!!

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years ago

    I know this stupid forum sends me crazy....... coffeee break

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    tantrumposted 13 years ago

    Lot of selfishness on this thread

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    ryankettposted 13 years ago

    Think a few of us were a bit worried about you then

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       rednckwmnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       me? I get confused. If anyone is worried about me, I am fine. I have had some BS to go thru in life, lots in the name of GOD and religion. It would be cool if some religious person could truly explain something, realisiticly, without saying..oh, its your own fault for not believing...I truly feel bad when someone is attacked for thier belief. I want to defend them. It sucks to be made fun of for what you believe in. But..then.... people like Atoms Wifey get me so mad.
       Here it is. I dont have adsense, ban me if ya want. Hubpages is a platform for earning money, and if I break the rules, so be it. I have nothing against that.
       I was raised in a seriouslly religous household. GOD is good and all that crap. Pray, like you mean it. If it doesn't happen, must have been your fault, for not believing good enough.
       I was raped at 18. It was my fault, for going to his house.
       I lost a child at 19. My fault for not being marrired.
       My best freind, and sister in law, lost her child. She was 18 at the time, newly married, and the baby was born with 2 chambers in her heart. She did not survive surgery. This same baby's father, my brother in law, killed himself 2 years ago. Where was God, when he was alone and had the shotgun in his mouth? Where was GOD when I had his two small children and ex wife sobbing, for months on my couch? must of been his fault..or God doesn't exist. I just wish "religious" people, would understand, real life has nothgin to do with..."believing."
       do not pray for me

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          atomswifeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Redneck,
          
          I do not ONLY respond when someone insults me or attacks me. I have posted more answers or responses to people like Fairbear on topics than those who scoff at or mock me.
          
          I try to respond as best I can to people. But I am not on here 24/7 to do that. Sometimes I have many things going at once. So if I failed to respond it could have been for any number of reasons incuding that which is what happened here this time, I have illnesses which require me to do therapy treatments etc for. I have a scheduled time for each.
          
          Now that this has been cleared up.
          
          People who say that all tragedy, suffering, illness etc. is brought on by someone sinning do not fully understand Gods Word.
          Read in Job, where his friends accused him of the very same thing as a result of the suffering he encountered. But we see in this book as you read on that God was actually very upset with them for telling Job that. As it was not true!
          
          Sin as a whole has brought suffering, death, illness, etc. all of the nastiness into this world. Note there though as I said, sin as a whole, not someones individual sin(s).
          
          Can it be said that there are times when that has happened? Yes. But it is not in all cases and circumstances that this is so.
          Even as a beliver, I have thought from time to time, "what have I done to deserve this God?"
          But God has a plan and a purpose for everything!
          Even in our tragedies, our sorrow and through our pain.
          
          I urge you to not blame God for someones misguided and misdirected teachings of His Word.
          You can find comfort and peace in God.
          God Bless
          

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          yoshi97posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Life is a horrible lottery system where those who win often wind up losing much of what they care for and then are led to believe they were the one who submitted the ticket and wanted to win.
          
          Believe me when I say that life is chaos, happening for methods and reasons that are beyond our control or comprehension. When these events occur people feel helpless and look for someone or something to blame ... unfortunately, you became a target of such blame and I find such behavior irrational and unforgivable.
          
          The whole concept of sin versus purity is to give a person an idea of the road the majority wants them to follow, and much of this roadmap is provided to avoid the potholes that are out there.
          
          Still, we can't be all expected to be absolutely pure 100% of the time, as it's an impossibility, nor should we ever be chastised for being human ... as that's what we are.
          
          I won't recite versus from a book to absolve any blame you might have for what has happened ... instead, I will tell you - human being to human being - I believe you have done the best you can with what life has given you and I do not fault you for the few missteps you might have taken in your past.
          
          You did not wish the bad things to occur, nor if you had would this have made them so ... as such ... I will let you know that those who have passed judgment upon you were rash, cruel, and unfeeling, which is why you should reject their judgments and live as good a life as you can.
          
          The world isn't full of evil people, it's just full of people who are easy to find fault with and to blame. As such, you need to remember ... so long as you do the best you can do, no judgment passed before you on this big blue marble need be accepted seriously.
          
          We all stumble ... but then we must stand up and brush ourselves off, and never accept any judgment other than our own, for we know ourselves the best ...

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             wordscribe41posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             What a beautiful thing to say, Yoshi.  Truly heart-felt. 

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 13 years ago

    that is so kind of you thanks very much indeed hugs to you

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    rmcrayneposted 13 years ago

    BadC and Yoshi, I appreciate much of what you wrote on this thread.

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    Mishaposted 13 years ago

    I won't. But I feel for you.

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    Sybil Marieposted 13 years ago

    Wow Yoshi that touched my heart!

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    yoshi97posted 13 years ago

    That's what true religion is all about ... offering beauty and hope in a world that often feels cruel and unfair ... and that's universal to all faiths that exist, which is why so many have a problem with religion, as they often feel the judgments given and miss the kindness that can be offered.

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    yoshi97posted 13 years ago

    If anything, this is what a religion forum SHOULD be for ... to allow someone to come in and say they have had a really bad day and for others to offer their compassion and hope that the next day will get better.

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       rednckwmnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       well, hopefully in the future I will be able to say I have had a bad day, witthout being nasty. Thanks. Today is going to be good. It is my husbands birthday, and I am going to make him all his favorite foods for dinner as a surprise when he gets out of work.

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