Does GOD ````` Negotiate?
I have been reading it everyday for 30 years and I did not ask the question for my own benefit or amusement.
Based on your response it would appear that you might be giving an opinion rather than truth.
So what is your answer because you made a statement and asked a question, not an answer.
Easy answer.
Have you heard him ?How does it sound? what did he say?
To present ones body as a living sacrifice as an offering...sound familiar?
Sounds like we do have something to offer. Of course we do not bring our own righteousness as an offering (filthy rags). And even if we did not have anything to offer, He is still kind enough to reason things out with us.
As we grow in maturity this part of the relationship gets deeper.
I know I can offer all of me and nothing less...GOD sees this as a lot more than "nothing"...He does not ask us to do things and count it nothing...it is called our worship and that IS...what we offer.
I do not know who told you we have nothing to offer, but you will not find that concept in scripture. Why would it say to give, if we have nothing to offer? Why does it say bring an offering? Why are we chastised if we do not bring gifts and offerings?
Jacob, Abraham, Samson and I could name scores of others who negotiated with GOD all throughout the scriptures always did it knowing the kindness and compassion of GOD, so they were not afraid to do so.
GOD has a consistent pattern of coming to people and reasoning with them just like a Father would.
I am talking about while mankind is here on the earth, long before the final judgment.
there are 613 commandments in the bible. Complete with threats.
Tell you what dogs breath, I have no reason to bother with your insinuations. You are a filthy minded perverted despot, and not someone to be trusted.
Look at the trash you speak about people you do not know.
I will leave the despicable acts you describe for you to involve yourself in.
Your thoughts, your stuff. The world is a mirror!
Like I said, if you want to mock the commandments...run out and break them or just shut up about it.
Surely, after he proves 1. he does exist, 2. he is not Satan
Afraid not Misha, you're gonna get scripture again as "proof"
You think this time too?
Do they ever think?No, they just assert their belief then post "supporting" scripture.
Yeah a lady at Subway said he asked to have them give him a Celebrity Discount of $2.00.. just becoz the special was his favourite!
She also reckons that he walks amoung us (well.. through Subway anyway)and claims to know it is Him by the way they find the Gerkins cut and the crumbs left behind.
Pssst: pass it on....I would hope you 3 or 7 would be somewhat serious
Perhaps we hoped the same of you! Should you not be writing a hub?
I know you were serious, so it did not apply to you.
After you manage 1 and 2, we can talk about it. And no, bible does not count as evidence.
- TMinutposted 15 years ago
0 Seems like you lack wisdom and you might want to be quiet and learn then.
The context and meaning are self contained in the statement.
Go examine your life or do not bother to live it.
You say.
"This is useless and very unintelligent."
You think what I am saying is useless, only shows your lack of understanding and wisdom.
Here is some of your god's negotiation!
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Sick little god!
- TMinutposted 15 years ago0
Call it "reasoning things out" or "an argument" or "negotiating"
GOD often has had conversations with mankind that were discussions and reasonings and arguments and negotiations.
The first one I can think of was with Cain and it was about an offering.
Not real sure what the disagreements with this concept are about, but if your just read the accounts in the scriptures, they clearly show GOD having discussions that state HIS intent to do something and then after talking about it with the ones HE loved, HE gave them what they asked for and sometimes the person had nothing to say after hearing the argument of GOD, but they still discussed it.
Why do you think GOD says "come now and let US...reason together"?
It is NOT beyond HIM to reason (same as to argue) with mankind.
He did it with Moses, Abraham, Wrestled with Jacob all night, He told Hezekiah he was going to die and then he pleaded with GOD and was allowed to live 15 more years. GOD reasoned with David, Solomon, The City of Nineveh who were told they were going to be toast, but were spared after the repented. He granted the requests of scores of men and women after having "debates" with them. How about the prophet who spread a fleece before GOD?
Jesus reasoned and argued with people quite often.
Where do you think we got our ability to reason and argue? It's not evil to do so. Most people are afraid to reason and argue and negotiate with GOD, like as if you were going to hurt HIS feelings or something.
HE flat told Moses to step aside and I am going to wipe out these stiff necked people, then Moses reasoned with GOD and GOD said, OK fine, your request is granted.
It is a mysterious thing no doubt, but undeniable it appears all throughout the history of GOD and mankind interacting. Yes, sometimes GOD makes it clear that some things are not open for discussion.Is this your idea of reasoning?
The Lord has made everything for his own ends, even the wicked for the evil day. (Proverbs 16:4 NAB)
and then punish what he made? No reasoning there either!No god, nothing ever said by a god, no proof, just myths.
HE hears from where HE sits, nobody told HIM anything.
Yes, HE did know, HE knew what HE heard the city doing.
Indecisive? Not hardly, HE came to discuss the matter with HIS friend (Abraham was called the friend of GOD) and nothing wrong with talking to ones friend before making a decision.
There is such a person who is called a mediator between GOD and mankind, always has been.
Nobody is delusional who reasons with GOD, nobody that is who is not afraid to do it. Again, Jacob wrestled with GOD all night about something, big deal.
Your perception about GOD is an illusion.
Perhaps if people were less afraid to negotiate and more willing to engage GOD in an argument things would go differently.
Well your understanding is lacking about GOD and HIS character.
HE is a KING and Kings negotiate with their servants and all are HIS servants.Ants are not made in our image and likeness.
Let's try to have serious questions.
Or perhaps if they read and understood the bible without being indoctrinated, we would have no more religion based around a god who's writers had him claiming electricity as his power in the sky! What a shirt full of rubbish!
He covers his hands with the lightning, and commands it to strike the mark. Its crashing tells about him; he is jealous with anger against iniquity.
"At this also my heart trembles, and leaps out of its place. Listen, listen to the thunder of his voice and the rumbling that comes from his mouth. Under the whole heaven he lets it loose, and his lightning to the corners of the earth. After it his voice roars; he thunders with his majestic voice and he does not restrain the lightnings when his voice is heard. God thunders wondrously with his voice; he does great things that we cannot comprehend.
Laughable!Some of gods little ideas for mankind to contemplate..
"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)
Neurotic crazed little god.Sadly I think the poster is serious!
Anyone offering up this naive crap has a closed mind.Now there is a quaint idea that could be re introduced!
Yes when threats were not enough, reason was tried. Not very good reason mind you!
No not to the potter to me. Remember, I think it is a myth.
I think. So shoot me! Of course I think it's a myth, there is no proof, the story is anything but consistent, it demonstrates it's psychological naivety clearly, and degraded people consistently throughout.
Men do that, not gods.I don't want to shoot you. Men indeed do as you say. As for the reality of the Gospel, well, we are commanded to preach it, teach it, share it. All the while, knowing that some will receive it, some will reject it. Some will even attack those who do so. All too obvious here on HP. Only here the attacks are disguised as "opinions" and reduced to (mere) words.
Commanded says it all for me.
getitrite, you got it right again!
Does God negotiate? um... don't think so! These are human traits being attributed to God by man's idea of what God should be like. We hear of God being angry, jealous, even vengeful, these are again, human emotions and projections. With thoughts like these, we create the separation we see in the world, and not the unity many of us seek.
A nd the bible is full of them!
Apparently! Although I have noticed that in these forums that the beliefs vary a lot in conclusions about god.
The idea is to get the selective reading right. If the old testament is quoted and it disagrees with religionists, they just disconnect it until needed again to prove their religion is right, then it is OK to quote from.
Of course the new testament although toned down, still has plenty of threats.
The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all who cause others to sin and all evildoers. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42 NAB)
If by light you mean education and understanding, then the best strategy would be to read about real life, rather than following ignorant 2,000 year old doctrine based on a flat earth that is 6,000 year old. Madness!
It is pretty easy to mock rubbish interpretations like this.
God also took credit for the power of lightning in another scripture. It is all goat droppings.
Well good or bad mood I have little time for the bible.
Do you know the bible well?The points you have made are the reason I post here. It is not possible to read any bible and see it as truth. Mathematically it makes no sense that anyone can devise a religion that is "right" from reading these old stories.
That is why I do not tolerate flat statements from the bible presented as truth. I do not like controlling lies no matter what the source.
I mean that people use statements from the bible to support their beliefs, but there is so many ways to read the meaning, that to say "This is truth" is incorrect.
The mathematical chances of any one person having the truth from the bible is a very long chance indeed.
My opinion is that it is written by controlling men who used it to subjugate people, and is not even about truth.Well I agree with the first part.
The 10 commandments are a part of many others, but they all come with threats!
Nothing wrong with a lot of the common sense ones, but life teaches us those anyway.
I could never believe in the hateful psychotic god of the bible or quoran. All about threats and control. Even a reasonable business manager does not use these tactics as they don't work.
They wind up with robotic people as workers who can't think for themselves anymore.
Yeh, he's been lyin since he got here!
So your invisible sky fairy is gonna drop in for a chat? I'd like to see that!
I'm gonna kill you all, Oh wait a minute I'm gonna be kind and leave some of you alive, gee I'm a great god! What a pile!
And that Randy is why god looks after his own, and leaves the world to drown in hate. Oh and the god made devil is the cause of all the worlds problems, or man is because he .... well it's a long story!
Not so bad. The economy is holding up fairly well, we have some much needed rain.
Our Prime Minister is in America so politics is boring.
Not really, I just do it because I believe that when people offer "proof" they should be able to prove it, especially if it is "out there" as far as logic.
When religionists makes threats of death and worse from their gods, I object on moral grounds.
I guess I do not like what I see as bad moral judgments.
The snowy mountains are beautiful!I do not believe in any notion of god, as the bible is the only source, and I do not believe the bible. I have no beef with those who follow a religion, as long as they do not ram it down my throat.
- Oh I believe alright, and strongly! I believe in the human spirit, love, children, helping wherever I can and keeping it all real.
I also have a complicated belief system that even contains soul and spirit in it's form.
It is, like all beliefs, just that.
I do try to be guided by empirical evidence as an adjunct to proof, and will choose a lot of empirical evidence over a lot of faith.
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