As I live, saith the Lord YEHOWAH, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live : turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die , O house of Israel?
It is people who choose or reject the Almighty YEHOWAH.
And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. - 1 Samuel 28:15
Saul rejected God, so God rejected Him.
I am talking about after we depart from this vessel, not while we are still in it.
God is not a "respector of persons" therefore god does not "choose" sides. We get to choose god.
God says otherwise.
John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you.
Jesus was speaking to His twelve disciples in that passage, SwrodofManticorE.
Thats right, He choose all twelve of them including Judas and the apostel Paul. None of them choose Christ.
I think you have made a mistake in the way you phrase the question jacobkuttyta! I think you wanted to ask why does some people choose God and others reject him? If not, I think you got it twisted, because "My God" loves us all so much that he sent his only son to die for our sins(John 3:16)! I don't see how this can be interpreted as him loving some and despising others!
It appears this way to us many times, but what God gives everyone is free will and we do the choosing. Maybe family and friends influence many and have many going down a wrong path but the spirit inside lets everyone know good from bad, and we either listen or ignore. Even Christians fail in many way although they cling to Christ and will receive salvation their reward in heaven will be affected by the seeds they have sown...or failed to. So anyway, if we see someone God seems to be overly blessing, we should look at what they are doing for a clue.
The Bible tells us that the Lord sees the hearts of all men (people). God is eternal and always present, always was, always is, and always will be. He knows in advance who will choose Him and who will fellowship with HIm. He calls us and we either respond or not. He wants us to love Him because we love Him, not because we feel forced to love Him, just like a parent. He wants us to come to Him and He draws us near. Those whose hearts are ready will draw near Him, and respond to Him as His Holy Spirit presents Himself to them. Those who are closed off can never see nor hear God so obviously they will not respond to Him. That is not to say that later they won't but some people never will and that is their choice. Jesus died for the whole world. He wants NONE to perish, so the choosing is really on our side and whether we respond to His call.
There are times in the Bible when God did choose certain individuals for special purposes. For instance, God chose Abram rather his two brothers; Jacob rather than Esau; and Judah rather than his other brothers to carry the line of the Messiah; he also chose David rather than his brothers. Jesus chose 12 disciples to mentor over against the others in the crowd. In the same way, God may choose to promote a particular person as pastor of a church or as head of a country over against other seemingly more qualified candidates. But, in general God chose His Son Jesus Christ and all those who would willingly choose to accept and follow him. I think JenineMiana said it well.
Because some choose God and others reject Him. The doctrine of Calivinism (double pre-destination) is a false doctrine.
Rom 6:16 "Do you not know that when YOU present YOURSELVES to someone as slaves for obedience, YOU are slaves of the one whom YOU obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?"
Death? What form of death did Paul mean?
Because some choose Him and others reject Him. It has always been an enigma, a paradox, rather, that both predestination and free will exist simultaneously. The Bible clearly teaches that both are in play and we humans try our best to make sense of it, but we are finite, and our minds in the natural do not grasp the wonders of God. I have heard it said that if we could explain God, He wouldn't be God.
I chose to become a follower of Christ, but as soon as I did, He said, You did not choose me but I chose you. He says I was predestined before the foundation of the world.
Now some people would say we are all predestined, but the Bible doesn't really support that. In my mind I can say God knew who would accept Him and who would reject Him, and He chose us based on that...but I don't know...
I do know that I am exceedingly grateful for His salvation, and I do know that He gave me the power to believe.
To try and answer this question by quoting from ANY religious book is never realistic, or logical. The words written in these 'holy' missiles were written by men with an agenda. Christians quote that God hates certain people and certain things they do, but these are not the words of god, they are words of judgmental men with personal agendas. The greatest being control over others.
I know of no realistic evidence that our creator (s) have deliberately rejected anyone for anything - only man does that to mankind.
Very cool question. You asked it in the present tense. The question presumes that God does, which is interesting. I do not know of any good authority or logic that indicates God is in the current business of rejection. My only evidence of this that I could "testify" to, is me. I am a sinner, I have in the past sinned. I do not always act in love so I am far short of the most simple rules. I do bad stuff. I hurt people from time to time.
And God has never rejected me! That is why the question is so cool.
Thanks for making me look at that concept. And no, that is not a get out of jail free card.
What does a get out of jail card supposed to mean?
There often is a misconception that Christians believe they can sin and it is alright because on Sunday they confess and are forgiven. Like they get out of consequences for free. Well it does not work that way and the main concept is found in repent.
If one confesses his sins and asks for forgiveness, he is not forgiven? That is exactly how it works. The church implements more legislation to its followers than Moses did to the Jews.
I think by AD they had about 800 laws. Confessing and asking forgiveness is not like a church ritual -- that is what I am saying. If you just try to play by rules, it does not work. You make it sound as though, if I say the words it works, nope.
What do you mean by that. God loves everyone, but He doesn't allow everyone into Heaven. Is that what you mean?
Many are called but few are chosen. Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many travel on it, but straight is the way and narrow is he gate that leads to life and few find it. Also read hemustincrease and Prophetic Insight's answer.
God does that because those who obey his commands are most likely to produce the acts that serve as an example for those who are lost in obscurity.
Those that are chosen by God are the ones who live accordingly to the basic principles of religion and God does not reject others.
The reason others get rejected is because they do not live according to God´s rules, but try to live according to their own rules and in the end they end up in misery.
God has chosen all. He sent his son, Jesus Christ, to pay the price for eternal life and fellowship with God. It is man who rejects God.
My understanding of the Bible is that God accepts everyone who accepts Him. That being accepting the gift He gave us by sending His son, Jesus, to die for our sins in our place. Can't imagine why anyone would turn down that offer but many do.
We all have free will - He created all of us - It is now up to us to choose God and accept Him in our life. For whatever reason, we do not trust Him enough to be the head of our life.
Will and choice are two different things. It's wiser to use the word 'choice', for we cannot NOT choose to follow one or the other. No man can serve two Masters and there are only two. We must choose.
But the Bible says God gave us free will so that is why I used will either way it is our choice to follow God's will - the point is we reject Him not the other way around.
God has chosen us, and when He proves Himslelf, it is up to us to choose, or reject Him.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16
If you look at the above verse closely, "loved" is in the past tense. This means that even though the world was and is in its fallen state, Jesus Christ died for the whole world, not just a few.
“No man can come to me, unless The Father who has sent me will draw him, and I shall raise him in the last day.” - John 6:44
God will only reject those who choose not to accept the Gospel of salvation. Salvation is not unconditional, but on the condition of walking out true faith in Him.
The Bible is full of accounts of the consequences of rejecting God, but also the blessings of those who choose to repent and trust and have faith in Him.
We cannot prove God; therefore, He proves Himself to man. Once He proves Himself, it is up to man to accept or reject His gift to **all** of mankind.
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for **all** men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; Who will have **all** men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:1-4
For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to **all** men, - Titus 2:11
God rejects those that have the knowledge and truth of Him, but decide their ways are better than His.
For if we sin willfully **after** that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins - Hebrews 10:26
(Romans chapter 9)
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
The scriptures clearly say that He loved Jacob, and hated Esau. I know, I know, there are all kinds of people who like to blow a fog over that and "pretty it up" to be more "politically correct". But the truth is that He chooses some, and He rejects others.
Paul the Apostle clearly references Pharaoh in Moses time. The scriptures are clear that God raised Pharaoh up, and God threw Pharaoh down. Its almost like God used Pharaoh as an item of show. Its like a wealthy man who spends a lot on fireworks just for the fun of burning it up!
Paul confirms this, and Paul uses this example to teach us that God is sovereign. He chooses whom He chooses, and He rejects whom He rejects. In fact, the scriptures put it this way, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and compassion on whom I will have compassion."
In other words, God does what He wants, when He wants, to whom He wants. And he is NOT politically correct. Don't believe me? Read your Bible! It is full of political incorrectness!
That said, God doesn't care what the law of man says. God doesn't care for humanistic modernistic deceptive hogwash "God loves everybody". Its just not truth.
He does whatever He wants with whomever He wants, and He doesn't need your vote! He doesn't have a heavenly facebook account, measuring His success by how many thumbs up He gets!
He is God Most High. He is a consuming fire.
Don't get me wrong. I believe in the Love of God more than most. More people need to experience the Love of God. But we have so watered it down, and so contaminated it with humanism. I believe it makes the Lord want to vomit seeing people walking around talking about how much God loves them while they break His heart, and offend Him deeply by their sinful lifestyles.
Most Christian leaders would agree that the book of Acts is a model for the church. The book of Acts shows us what the church should look like.
But don't forget the book of Acts says that God did mighty, fearsome things to the point where the fear of the Lord fell upon the church time and time again. When is the last time the fear of the Lord fell in your neighborhood?
The greatest problem in the world today is not murder or terrorism. The greatest problem in the world today is churches who are staffed by leaders who are more concerned about offending somebody in their congregation than they are concerned about offending God. They are God-less, gutless, and powerless preachers compared to what we see in the Bible. We need Bible experience
Compelling and passionate. I just have trouble with the tenses in your verbs. Did never has and never will translate fairly into does. I sure hope a parent does not treat a 15 year old like a two year -- if you get my point.
Pharaoh committed evil against God's people; therefore, God's judgment was upon Him. Pharaoh hardened his own heart; God hardened Pharaoh's heart - the rebellion against God happened first. And in regard to Esau, God foresaw Esau's future choices.
@ Judah's Daughter: Paul said,"sin is not imputed when there is no law".
There is no evidence in the Bible that Pharaoh had the law of God. Therefore, sin cannot be imputed.
Romans 9 CLEARLY says God hated Esau NOT because of what he done at any time
God rejects no one. He is all loving and all powerful and is not judgmental, like most religious people.
God rejects no one. Man has choice to reject the journey, the quest, life. When I say man has choice it is in the realm of ego which is our own personal barrier to whatever our personal God is. The brain is not in control, it is a secondary organ. It is the heart that chooses the path. When in accord with the heart the choices or ways to slay our own dragons are what you are perceiving as a rejection by God. It was the choice not to take what Joseph Campbell calls the Hero Journey.
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