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Make yourself clear on this single point question will you ??

  1. underhiswings profile image55
    underhiswingsposted 8 years ago

    Was Messiah (Jesus The Christ) GOD in the flesh ?


    State who "you" say that HE is or was and be clear, no ambiguity. smile
    Interested to hear and or discuss who you say He is / was.
    So please only state this and not just some off the wall things okay?



    *Can we do this respectfully please?* big_smile

    1. Neil Sperling profile image83
      Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      We "ALL" are God in the flesh..... Jesus was a cool guy who was more consciously aware of (in tune with) that fact than most of us..... including me!

      1. underhiswings profile image55
        underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Please elaborate further.

        Wondering if you are as "aware" as He was / is?

        Explain how we are all "God in the flesh"

        1. Neil Sperling profile image83
          Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          He speaks not of himself but of the father within him - I am in the father and the father in me and I am in you -- which means to me "we are all part of; in inside of; and made of; the same essence of life" - through a conscious realization of this connection we can become aware of the truth "we are one."

          He also said "why do you marvel of the works I have done - there will be others come who do more."

          He said "I am the way" - but he was speaking of the father inside him and also inside every one.

          He simply knew it - we are still learning! I am still learning so to answer your comment re: Wondering if I am aware as he is... I answer - no - I can only walk on water if it is froze solid! "I'm still learning too"

          1. underhiswings profile image55
            underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            The Pharisees and Scribes wanted Him dead because He said He is / was God and do you believe this about Him?

            He said some were of their father the devil so I do not think that Messiahs Father is inside us all, but those who are drawn to Messiah by His Father have the witness of His Truth within them.

            When He said "let them be one even as We are One" He was talking about a certain people who were called, chosen and believed what He said.

            How did you come to believe in Him if I may ask?

            Your name seems to indicate Jewish ancestors / background, yes?

            1. Neil Sperling profile image83
              Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              The Pharisees and Scribes wanted Him dead because he was teaching everyone "they too could attain enlightenment."  Those in power did not want the masses to know that because they wanted to control the masses --- same as today!

              No - the father "IS" inside everyone..... the conscious mind is the evil one as it does not accept this higher reality.

              Anyone surrendering to the power of the one, "inside us all," will come to "know" this connection/truth. That is why he said "let......"  meaning surrender!

              As for my family roots - Prusia on dads side and Ireland on moms. .... Actually - I'm Earthling as far as I know.
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              1. underhiswings profile image55
                underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Well here is the account as recorded by one who was there.

                The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
                John 10:33

                And what of the other questions I asked you, can you answer succinctly?

              2. mohitmisra profile image59
                mohitmisraposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Well written and its the truth.

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                  Madame Xposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I agree. Jesus came to teach us that we are "made in his image", that is, we can attain the same state as Him, which is oneness with God. "The kingdom of God is within you", He said. Which means that our essence is goodness.

        2. Neil Sperling profile image83
          Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          It would not let me edit my last comments - so here it is below again with a couple minor edited changes.
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          Scripture says "He speaks not of himself but of the father within him" - << I am in the father and the father in me and I am in you >>

          -- which means to me "we are all part of;  in all inside of;  and all made of;  the same essence of life" -

          Enlightened through a conscious realization of this connection with the divine, we can ALL become aware of the truth "we are one." We are ALL god in the flesh because everything there ever was, is and will be, is this same divine essence

          He also said "why do you marvel of the works I have done - there will be others come who do more."

          HE said "I am the way" - but he was speaking of the father inside him and also inside every one.

          He simply knew it - we are still learning! I am still learning so to answer your comment re: Wondering if I am aware as he is... I answer - no - I can only walk on water if it is froze solid! LOL   <<  "I'm still learning too" >>

          We are the ones we are waiting for.
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          1. underhiswings profile image55
            underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            There is a way to edit your comments and it takes practice.

            So it appears that you do not believe Him to be the Savior of mankind.
            You believe that we are?

            It is written of Him that He is the only mediator between God and mankind.
            Do you believe this?

            And what of the other questions I asked you?

            1. Neil Sperling profile image83
              Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              You said "So it appears that you do not believe Him to be the Savior of mankind.
              You believe that we are?

              It is written of Him that He is the only mediator between God and mankind. Do you believe this? "
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              My belief - "He is not the savior of mankind." - He was a man who became Enlightened when he surrendered his conscious mind completely to be in TUNE with the universal mind. When he said "I am the way" - he was saying that "Look - I'm just a simple carpenter and I became enlightened... so can you!"

              As for your question re: mediator - "you have not heard what I said. He was speaking not of himself but of the father in him.... <He was/is in the father> <same as you are in the father> <same as the father is in you> ... <and EVERYONE else!>"

              Scripture says time and time again "Meditate on these things!"

              True meditation opens the conscious mind to the higher power of god "in us all"...... and as often as the statement is made to "meditate" in scripture - few Christians get it!!!

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              1. underhiswings profile image55
                underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I am well aware of everything you state, just wanting clarification from you and have to ask more questions to narrow it down because many have a form of truth, but when questioned hard, a lie usually comes out.

                "To as many as received Him did He give eternal life"
                So Messiah is not this "all inclusive" Mediator as some think.
                He said you must follow Me and learn of Me or you have no part of Me or My Father.

                We have to be clear on THIS!!!

                Do you not know how to use the editor?

                1. Neil Sperling profile image83
                  Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  "To as many as received Him did He give eternal life"
                  So Messiah is not this "all inclusive" Mediator as some think.
                  He said you must follow Me and learn of Me or you have no part of Me or My Father.
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                  You are not clear to me what you are saying / asking here.

                  My point is "all of this has nothing to do with Jesus... it has everything to do with the higher power within"

                  That higher power is in everyone...... becoming one with that higher consciousness you then understand/KNOW eternal life.

                  Time is an illusion - everything there is/was/will be, can be broken down into vibrations.

                  Atoms and molecules are in motion, light is vibration, sound is vibration - consciousness is vibration - time is nothing more than our conscious realization of the unending changes in the this whole field of vibration.

                  Eternity is this very moment, but to completely grab onto that fact - conscious enlightenment is necessary.

                  1. underhiswings profile image55
                    underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Messiah said if you do not believe in Me then you have no part with me and My Father.

                    Pretty clear that we must believe in Him I would say.

              2. mohitmisra profile image59
                mohitmisraposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                True meditation opens the conscious mind to the higher power of god "in us all"...... and as often as the statement is made to "meditate" in scripture - few Christians get it!!!

                Its a pleasure to read your thoughts I totally agree with you. smile

                1. marinealways24 profile image61
                  marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Only the favored prophets as yourself understand, right? lol

        3. Jerami profile image72
          Jeramiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

             we are god in the flesh because Adam ate the forbidden fruit that the serpent said would give us knowledge making us as gods. This still lingers with us yet today. As we preceive ourselves to be as gods ye continue to fall yet farther away.  To HUMBLE OURSELVES is the only answer as to how to get out of the  prediciment that we are in.

        4. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          "The kingdom of god is within" Jesus don't you ever listen to or believe your prophet?

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      cosetteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Was Messiah (Jesus The Christ) GOD in the flesh ?

      no.


      State who "you" say that HE is or was and be clear, no ambiguity.

      He was a very amiable and charismatic young man whose legend enend up being his undoing.

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        zampanoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        And he became a Super Star big_smile

    3. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Are we talking about Barak Obama? 

      Sorry, couldn't resist.

    4. justintimee profile image59
      justintimeeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      YES!!!

    5. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He was an enlightened one , a knower of the self or god.All enlightened ones know they are the Light or god. smile smile

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        While they maintain an ignorant 1 belief system with no self awareness that a 1 belief system contradicts them being born an individual.

        You are the enlightened prophet!


        lol

        1. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          You got it all wrong, you don't know the meaning of self awareness while the masters do (note the word masters.)

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      Brenda Durhamposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      YES He was God in the flesh, (the Father still was in Heaven as always).    The only human part of him was his body,  having been born of a human Mary.

      YES He is still God,  an inseparable part of the Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost).

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        When? Was he born before the 3.5 Million year old family of three who's photographic and physical proof is here for all to see?

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          Deborah Sextonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Since he came to let us know the flesh and spirit came from God and that both are ascended., of course you would not have his body to prove anything. If he had left his body then we could say he wasn't of God. Because there is no body yet written records of him by many not just one, it makes him even more real.
          Tell me, have you ever gone by the Nickname...The Morning Star?

    7. Margie01 profile image53
      Margie01posted 8 years agoin reply to this
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      Messenger_of_god8posted 8 years agoin reply to this
    9. QuirkyPearl profile image57
      QuirkyPearlposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      A man, a human being, a teacher and a prophet who was born in Bethlehem and active in Nazareth, his life and sermons formed the basis for Christianity.

      Was he god in the flesh? He was a man of such superior qualities that he 'seemed' like a deity a god amongst man, however, he was just a man, a human being made of the same flesh and blood that we all are made of.

    10. rhamson profile image77
      rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this
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      sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus, The Christ, is the son of God.

    12. Make  Money profile image81
      Make Moneyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Jesus Christ was and is the Messiah, GOD in the flesh, that was prophesied about in the Old Testament (Torah).

      No doubt about it.



      PS.  It's kind of laughable that some people would think that Jesus Christ, the King of kings, Lord of lords is going to be forgotten about after 2,000 years.   In fact I find it rather sad for these people.

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      Best Optionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus was a prophet who performed miracles and who taught the people of his time to worship God, Whom he himself was worshipping. He is not part of an indivisible God, neither is he the son of ONE WHO IS IN NO NEED OF ANYONE OR ANYHING:

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      (Q)posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      If he was a god, then he was a sheep in wolves clothing, so to speak, as he faked his death to fool everyone.

      If he was a man, then he was simply a man.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend underhiswings

      Jesus was no god or son of god; he was made of flesh and bones like every other human being; he himself said he was Son of Man; and his mother was not a wife of her son.

      The Creator-God Allah YHWH is only attributive; he has no physical body or spirit; physical bodies and spirits are His creation.

      When one says Jesus was flesh; one insults Jesus. Jesus was no a plethora of flesh. He used to walk in Judea; even after the incident of Crucifixion; he was seen walking in Judea; so the flesh was wound over bones; otherwise he would have been born dead; as mere flesh cannot survive.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  2. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 8 years ago

    A cool guy who cared a lot about other people?

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Can you provide an absolute statement rather than a question please ?

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Nope. Because there is no absolute. I put a question mark because that was my guess.

        1. Friendlyword profile image60
          Friendlywordposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Excuse me, I didn't mean to sound so disrespectful I really want to understand. I Love God. But when I say that I think of Jesus Christ and I'm not sure that's right. I did not grow up going to sunday school. So I'm lost when you speak of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit(who is that?)

          1. Colebabie profile image60
            Colebabieposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Did you reply to the wrong comment?

        2. marinealways24 profile image61
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I like it! The biblical mind doesn't understand absolutes because it challenges their faith. The biblical mind is absolutely unaware to the psycology of the bible to make their dependent minds believe.

          Those are not my absolute beliefs. lol

  3. zadrobi profile image58
    zadrobiposted 8 years ago

    A carpenter that performed miracles and other charitable acts of God on the side.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Is that your serious answer?

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    zampanoposted 8 years ago

    No ambiguity ???
    Try to explain Holy Trinity for instance.
    Father, Son and the Holy Ghost.
    (took the next train for the coast...)

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Okay, so no statement as to what you believe?

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        zampanoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Man when you make assertions like the topic of this forum, you should state what sect you oblige to.
        Christianism nowdays looks like a ancient language that broke in a thousand dialects.

        some years ago, when I attended my compulsory religious education,
        there was no question about confusion between Jesus and God. Damn it...
        (Roman Catholics) That is why I mention the Holy Trinity mistery.
        They are three. God is the whole trinity, yet somehow He is an Identity above and independent.
        All is mistery and you finally believe in your own wishes. Ok?
        Is it not what everybody is doing here ?
        I believe in wish.

        1. underhiswings profile image55
          underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I do not "belong" to a sect or religion or group.
          No need to state it.
          Thanks for your input.

    2. Margie01 profile image53
      Margie01posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The Father (God) The Son (God in human form) and The Holy Spirit (The Love and Guidance of God)

  5. Sanctus Vesania profile image60
    Sanctus Vesaniaposted 8 years ago

    Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God; the second person in the Godhead; and he is united in mindset with his father.  Jesus Christ is God.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So He is the visible Image of an invisible God?

  6. patful profile image61
    patfulposted 8 years ago

    When Jesus Christ was out and about on our planet, He told people (on more than one occasion), "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father". In other words, He was claiming that He was sent to show us what God is like. That's a huge claim. Not everybody believed Him when He said it, but some did. To my mind, a person owes it to himself/herself, in fairness, to examine what He said about Himself; what His enemies said about Him and what His supporters said about Him. (You can make this examination by reading the record of His life in Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.)
    He was a colossal liar, a monumental lunatic or the Son of God, as He claimed. If He was truly the Son, then His words are worth paying attention to. My choice has been to recognize Him as the human incarnation of the Eternal God.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well stated point of view and thanks for the input. smile

    2. Marisa Wright profile image99
      Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, he is reported by other people (the people who wrote the Gospels) as saying that.  We have no recordings of what he actually said.  We also don't have the benefit of reading the original Hebrew to make sure it was accurately translated.

      I believe Jesus was a historical figure, a charismatic visionary with ideas far ahead of his time. I'm not sure about anything else.

    3. Friendlyword profile image60
      Friendlywordposted 8 years agoin reply to this


      Why do Christian revel in confusing people? Why do you sometimes say Jesus is God? That confuses and angers people.  Jesus was our Brother sent by God to save us. On the Cross he Prayed "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"  Why would God pray to hisself?

      1. underhiswings profile image55
        underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I am not confused at all as the answer is written clearly in Genesis where it says "Let US make man in OUR image"
        GOD in Hebrew is plural. Elohiym.

        Jesus said He is God, so is The Father and so is The Holy Spirit.

        They are One (Echad) in every purpose.

        Jesus took on the roll of a servant and yielded to His Father in everything.

        1. marinealways24 profile image61
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Sounds logical to me. Where do the unicorns come in? Can't have holy spirits without unicorns. lol

        2. Friendlyword profile image60
          Friendlywordposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Did I here somebody say SPEAK ENGLISH and make some sense. Oh yea! the guy that started this forum. So please stop tryin to be cute and help us to understand.

  7. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 8 years ago

    A human being full of persian, indian and egyptcian knowledge.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      And can you tell us how you came to this conclusion?

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        All Jesus teaching ,have been taught before by hindus, sumerians, zoroastrians and egyptcians. A sect called Nazarian ,during Jesus epoch, taught all this eastern teachings. and by what some scholars say, Jesus was an adept.

        1. underhiswings profile image55
          underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Okay thanks for the clarification.
          I was wondering if you had any proof because you made an absolute statement in your first post. So it seems like you are citing "some scholars"

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

             
            there's no proof. Do you have one ? I doubt that. I'm only saying what I believe to be the truth. The truth that suits best to my beliefs. That's all

          2. mohitmisra profile image59
            mohitmisraposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Read the Holy Vedas, Bhagwat Gita, Holy Gathas and you will see the similarity of Jesus teachings.

            1. marinealways24 profile image61
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              The similarity is, they all taught to rely on a follower belief for control.


              Did they teach the followers to create an indvidual belief or a follower belief. Answer that with your faith and interpretation. I'm sure I can expect a circular response that hides from the question. lol


              Was the goal to create followers or individuals?


              There, I broke it down so it would be easier for you.

              1. mohitmisra profile image59
                mohitmisraposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                They teach you how to discover your true self, your god self .You become the master. smile

        2. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          One story goes he came to India , gained enlightenment and went back to the west to spread this knowledge.The first church in the world is build in India. smile

    2. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Basically mystical and god knowledge. smile

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    zampanoposted 8 years ago

    LOL tantrum.
    You're quite a trinity yourself.big_smile

  9. aware profile image69
    awareposted 8 years ago

    was he god? not mine.my idea of god is bigger than flesh

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So then who is / was He? Can you please answer?

  10. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 8 years ago

    I had to stop and post, when I saw this one?

    What was Jesus Christ?

    Jesus Christ was a teacher and minister.

    What he taught? Human Consciousness and Honest Living.

    Was he the right hand of GOD? No!

    Was he the son of GOD? No!

    Was he a prophet? No!

    He was the FIRST and ONLY human being, who taught other human beings to be aware of their own existence, so they could escape control of the church.

    He describes "particular" places in code, so each new human being learns and becomes adaptable to their surroundings, and control their entire life, all on their own.

    At the time he was teaching and ministering to followers, he was perceived as a threat of the church. That's is WHY he died!

    He didn't died for our sins, as a race. He died because he began casting a shadow over the church, as more and more of his followers found enlightenment(their own consciousness).

    Which allowed each to make their own decisions and the ability to believe what they want to believe, instead of following the indoctrinations of the church.

    Jesus Christ was MURDERED for voicing his views?

    When will humanity ever grow up? Who knows.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      the church was founded after Jesus death. lol maybe you're talking about the temple ? Hebrew temple?

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        That's what you are told.

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          so what were you told ? lol
          If Peter is the founder of the  church, it has to be after Jesus death ! Before, in Jesus times, there were only Hebrew temples or roman / greek gods temples,apart of a lot of other different tribal gods temples

    2. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Okay, so do you think we are waiting for a prophet, son of god, right hand of god to come?



      Well it states that they killed Him for saying He is God.


      So you totally disagree with the scriptures which is your choice.
      And you keep saying "churches", but they only had Synagogues in that day.

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        "Churches" encompasses all religion head-of-state, you know popes, cardinals and others. I would thought you would known that, as you seem to be so versed.

        As for some of your other comments, mixed in. Jesus Christ was murdered at the hands of the "church", not because he claimed to be GOD or a God. Jesus Christ was murdered so, religious sects could continue to control the masses. They wanted to keep people unknowingly subjected to their insight and NOT to think for themselves.

        How do you think religion came to be? Duh! They used his murder, as a day of reckoning, to ensure no one found out the real truth, because if so....they would lose their hold on humanity, and their wealth, popularity and influence.

        Again, what I know and how I know it based on common-sense and knowledge of early humans. Yes, you can look to religion for some things, but only as a reference book with a lot of mistakes.

  11. underhiswings profile image55
    underhiswingsposted 8 years ago

    Okay thanks man.

  12. aware profile image69
    awareposted 8 years ago

    first these are just ideas i have. my idea of god hasnt a gender. hasnt a son. it creates suns. it dosent create life. it creates the conditions from which life can evolve. my idea of god dosent need or demand worship .it doesnt punish or reward.it cant listen to prayer.for its far away createing new suns. it doesnt look back. only moves forward. my idea  of god does care tho it constantly dreams and continues to create.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So you think God can do all of that and yet NOT "come in the flesh" and complete a mission and return from where God came from?
      Is anything impossible for God?

  13. aware profile image69
    awareposted 8 years ago

    all of that ? i m pretty sure i posted only one thing and that was that its a sun creator. i also posted that these are ideas. and are in no way to be considered factual or claimes of truth . have you read my creation story hub?

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So you think God can do all of that and yet NOT "come in the flesh" and complete a mission and return from where God came from?
      Is anything impossible for God?

      1. aware profile image69
        awareposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        apparently appeasing you is one impossibility so thats one . lol

        1. underhiswings profile image55
          underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I am just after the truth in all things.

  14. Bibowen profile image93
    Bibowenposted 8 years ago

    Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, the second person of the Trinity, the only one through which salvation is possible. For those that know Him, he is our ever present High Priest, our Savior, our Redeemer, the Conqueror of Sin and Death, having bodily arose on the third day. As for the future, He is our returning King and our everlasting abode. One day, all of mankind will bow before Him and confess Him as Lord to the Glory of God the Father. Amen.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you, to the point !
      No wishey washey thoughts there. smile

    2. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not . Why should I ? why 'christians' are so arrogant ?.Do you feel better thinking unbelievers are such horrible sinners, men without salvation? Well, he's not my King and I'm not bowing sad

    3. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      1 Belief = 1 Mind

      1. underhiswings profile image55
        underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        The mind of Messiah is without limits.

        1. marinealways24 profile image61
          marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Not true. His mind was limited. He messed up.

          1. underhiswings profile image55
            underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Sounds like an absolute statement.

            1. marinealways24 profile image61
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Closer to absolute than your fear driven belief prophet.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Awesome Truth! Amen!

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    zampanoposted 8 years ago

    What are you ?
    Freelance metaphysitian ?

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That word cannot be found, do you have a def?

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        zampanoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Why? You've done a Google search on that ?
        hehehe. Stop translating using google.

        freelance metaphysician.
        You are a formalist all right.
        You perfectly understand what I mean.
        Formal freelance metaphysician.

        Well the subject you lauched is not entirely deprived of interest.
        And I'm here in this forum, as if I was trying time travel.

        1. underhiswings profile image55
          underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I did not use google, used 3 dictionaries.
          I also have no label, never have.
          I am interested in truth only, nothing more, nothing less.

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    TMinutposted 8 years ago

    The strange part is they say they killed him for saying he is God but he's not the one who said that. He didn't claim to be the Father, he always made it quite clear that he wasn't.

    "Why do you call me good? There is none good but the Father..."
    "The Father is greater than I"
    "Doesn't your own scripture say you are gods? If he called them gods unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken, why do you call me a blasphemer for saying I am the SON of God?"

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He did say He was God and He also allowed people to worship Him and when asked if He was God He said yes, it is as you say.

      Peter also said "You are The Christ, The Son of God"

      Yes, He made it clear that He and the Father are One, and this is a very clear term in the original as to it's meaning and that is why they killed Him.

      Do you think He rose from the dead?
      Was crucified for the sins of mankind?

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        TMinutposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Where was he asked if he was God? And saying he and the Father were one didn't mean he was claiming to be God in the original. Where did you get that from? Especially since he also said we are all to be one even as he and the Father are one.

        1. underhiswings profile image55
          underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          He stated that "before Abraham was I AM" and then the leaders took up rocks to kill Him because they knew exactly what that means.

          I AM is the term for the Name of God given to Moses. And for Him to say He existed before Abraham removed all doubt from the minds of the hearers standing around.

          I gave the passage where it says that the leaders of the Jews told Him why they wanted to kill Him, for "being a man and yet claiming to be God"

          That was their entire reason and so He made it clear to them who He is !

          The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
          John 10:33

          Yes we are to be one as They are One, but this does not mean we are They.
          Echad in Hebrew is One, just like the 2 shall become 1 flesh as with Adam and Eve.

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    TMinutposted 8 years ago

    Jesus was the image of the invisible God, he was what a human looks like while totally connected and filled with the spirit of the Almighty.

    He came in the flesh it says, so he was a man. If he was the Almighty himself, how could the Almighty have sanctified him and sent him into the world? You don't purify and set apart what's already pure.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 8 years ago

    He is the son of God.
    He is our savior.
    He is Alpha and Omega.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Who is "our" ?

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        sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        He's everyones some people suffer from brain damage and don't realize it.

        1. underhiswings profile image55
          underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          How can He be your savior without you believing in Him?
          That is contrary to what He said.

          "if you do not believe in Me then you have no part in Me"

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            sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            He's still your savior you just don't know it yet. It's ok you can be lost and confused and I'll still love you unconditionally. Just say to your self I can learn, I can learn and you will learn! Then you'll be really happy! You're not really happy now you just think you are but thats cureable. Remember, I can learn, I can learn, I can learn...........

            1. marinealways24 profile image61
              marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

              lol

              Ridiculous. The one trapped in belief attempts to give psychology lessons.

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                sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                He's your savior too! He doesn't care about handicaps he loves you even more that you're special and challenged! I'm allways amazed when people like you learn to communicate with others, now it's time to communicate with our savior! This will be an important moment in you life, you will become complete. Let's start with Christmas! Boy this is a fun time of the year! Everybodies happy and full of love of their fellow man and women! We celebrate this time of year because of the birth of our savior! Yes, it's Jesus's birthday! Big party! Now isn't this fun? Next time we'll talk about how to walk on water, OK?

                1. marinealways24 profile image61
                  marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  lol


                  I'm sure you know all about walking on water since you are a prophet as well. lol Keep the faith. Worship your government god.

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Well since you have no idea what church I attend that really makes this funnier than you know! I'm not a prophet and I don't like people picking on Christians either. It allways brings out my sarcastic side.

                2. underhiswings profile image55
                  underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Perhaps you are unaware He was not born in the winter or December?
                  But I get your point.

            2. underhiswings profile image55
              underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Is that directed at me?

              1. profile image0
                sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I think so? Did you change?

                1. underhiswings profile image55
                  underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Guess you do not read what I post.
                  http://hubpages.com/forum/post/430878

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    "if you don't believe in me you're not a part of me."
                    I remember this part.

  19. TimTurner profile image74
    TimTurnerposted 8 years ago

    I'm sure there was a real person named Jesus who helped the poor and did other kind acts.

    His story got told many times and was turned into legend.

    All legendary stories have "larger-than-life" accounts.

    Jesus was a human who did good deeds.

    Nothing more.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for your opinion.

  20. Fairbear profile image54
    Fairbearposted 8 years ago

    Jesus was a guy about whom we today know very little. A good case can be made that he didn't even exist. The only thing we know about him for sure is that he inspired the formation of a powerful and diverse religion. Every other purported "fact" about him can only be supported by tradition and hearsay--not evidence.

    As for me, I think he existed, but was just an ordinary guy who lived in an extraordinary time.

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    TMinutposted 8 years ago

    If you have seen me, you have seen the Father doesn't mean I am the Father. People say that now to tell how closely a child resembles a parent, my MIL told one of her friends exactly that when her friend said, I've met all your grandchildren but I've still never met your son. MIL started laughing and said, "Yes, you have, you just met (my oldest), so you HAVE met my son. They look alike, they think alike, they act just alike! Believe me, you met my son."

    It's the verse before that that sounds as if he's claiming to be the Father but that's when he continued and explained what he meant.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I am well aware that Jesus is not the Father, He made that clear, He also made it clear that He is the exact Image of an invisible God who is Spirit.

      He was saying I am the visible Image of the Father who cannot be seen.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        You are not a prophet.

  22. profile image0
    TMinutposted 8 years ago

    jerami, you wrote: we are god in the flesh because Adam ate the forbidden fruit that the serpent said would give us knowledge making us as gods.

    Not that we need to believe what "the serpent" said but still, very good point. I've never thought of that before. Something that happened to me is what made me so interested in the role having knowledge plays in our lives - this is useful for me.

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    TMinutposted 8 years ago

    under his wings, earlier you DID say that Jesus claimed to be God though, that's why I was saying that I didn't believe it. I thought you believed he said it and that it was true.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He did say it and that is the account the Jews told Him why they wanted to kill Him for...."because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."

      He also said to His students (disciples) "You call Me LORD and you are right in saying so, but why don't you do as I say?"

      He also allowed people to worship Him and plenty more could be said.

  24. profile image0
    TMinutposted 8 years ago

    Neil, I think you have it backwards (because of my own experiences); the spirit is one we can accept into us, not one we find that's lost somewhere inside already. But since "in him we live and move and have our being" I can see it your way too. God IS life, existence, being, reality.

    1. underhiswings profile image55
      underhiswingsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He is able to save them to the uttermost all of them who come to Him and are called according to His Divine purpose.

  25. underhiswings profile image55
    underhiswingsposted 8 years ago

    Personally I am not trapped at all because I know.

    One mind that is unlimited.

    One mind that is beyond all comprehension.

    One mind that has no borders.

    One mind contained in one individual.

    One mind that contains all logic, reason and understanding.

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Did jesus teach you that? lol

  26. C.V.Rajan profile image78
    C.V.Rajanposted 8 years ago

    From Hinduism's point of view, Jesus Christ is an Avatar, an incarnation of God.

    According to Bhagavat Gita (a Holy scripture of Hinduism), God descends to earth from time to time, to protect the good-hearted, to punish the wicked and to re-establish dharma (righteousness) that sinks from time to time in the earth.

    Ramakrishna Paramahsa, a great Hindu spiritual master says seeing an avatar is equivalent to seeing God. He also says since man is the best of all created beings, God's manifestation in an avatar in human form is also the best. Seeing and understanding an avatar's teaching is also the best way to grasp Godliness. How can people develop faith in God unless God comes and teaches in the form of a man?

    Jesus' statement that seeing him is equivalent to seeing God corroborates with what Ramakrishna has stated.

    Another great Hindu saint Ramana Maharishi used to quote several passages from Bible (Jesus' teachings) and explain how the statements corroborate with Hindu scriptures and how he himself had personally experienced those states.

    While great masters of Hinduism, who have transcended narrow religious barriers, acknowledge the "avatarhood" of Jesus, they however do not agree to any suggestion that Jesus is or could be the "only" son God. According to Hinduism, happening of an Avatar is a recurring process, as demanded by the needs of the time. In Hinduism, we get Avatars on a recurring basis.

    Generally, when a great religious master captures the love, respect and adoration of many people cutting across barriers of religious sects, creeds and countries, and when they spearhead a new direction and light to the spiritual needs of the people of a particular time, we can say that an avatar has happened.

    This way, Ramakrishna was an avatar. Now, Mata Amritanandamayi (the hugging saint) is an avatar.

  27. C.V.Rajan profile image78
    C.V.Rajanposted 8 years ago

    I quote Neil Sperling:

    "We "ALL" are God in the flesh..... Jesus was a cool guy who was more consciously aware of (in tune with) that fact than most of us..... including me!"

    I think Neil has beautifully explained what Hinduism essentially states in its core philosophy, the "Vedanta".

    Yes. We are all God in flesh, but we have no awareness of it. If only we turn our attention inwards instead of outwards with all earnestness leaving behind all external pursuits, we too are capable of becoming Jesuses.

    The Bhagavat Gita says, only one in a thousand can grasp this and attempt do it; and hardly one or two amongst thousands of such seekers can attain the truth.

    1. Neil Sperling profile image83
      Neil Sperlingposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thank You Rajan - it may seen strange to some - "the bible" in my opinion "teaches the same thing - cloaked in allegorical stories."

  28. C.V.Rajan profile image78
    C.V.Rajanposted 8 years ago

    Yes Neil.

    Recently I was writing a couple of articles on Bible subjects in the Helium Website's marketplace and as I researched for quotes from bible, I was really flabbergasted by the similarities in the philosophies at several areas.

    CVR

  29. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 8 years ago

    @ cagsil
    you asked
    Any other questions?



    Yes
    If goverment have laws, in place to protect life from being lost, don't you think that for some people religion is in place to protect their souls from being lost ?
    Why do you say the church was before jesus, when everybody knows the church was founded by Peter after Jesus death?
    Why do you think religion brings stress and  that's the cause we can't live longer ?

    and I have a lot more, but I can't be bothered asking you at the moment

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Oh ! you deleted the post ! well ....big_smile

  30. Oxidiz3r profile image53
    Oxidiz3rposted 8 years ago

    I think Jesus was most likely just a guy with a beliefs that people agreed with--I know I do for the most part--and flocked to because of their need for peace.

  31. Shealy Healy profile image59
    Shealy Healyposted 8 years ago

    All physical matter is an energy form vibrating at prticular frequencies.  Physical matter is only energy that vibrates at a slower frequency than spiritual matter. So....after death Jesus/The Messiah was certainly a higher frequency of energy-a spirit.  The real question then is-those who saw his image-were they spiritually awakened enough to see a spiritual body of matter? My answer-yes.... The spirit was there for those who could see.

  32. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    No

  33. Craig Suits profile image78
    Craig Suitsposted 8 years ago

    I don't know who Jesus was. You don't know who Jesus was, nor does anyone else on earth at the moment. It's been 2000 years. I mean, come on, how long are you people going to continue this fairytale? Why is it that absolutly every catagory of everything we humans deal with from math to our courts of law, require "proof" before we consider it fact or simply believable. Everything except our religions that is. I wonder why!

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      Deborah Sextonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It's sad to me that you are as old as you are and don't know God.
      The Universe is an orderly place. Everything fits and works together. If the Universe was not created everything would be mutated, out of order and chaotic. The wind is invisible and can only be proven by it's effects.
      However I understand there is the seed of Cain and the seed of Abel.
      Which one are you?

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    Deborah Sextonposted 8 years ago

    The truth is hidden from those who do not seek God in spirit and in truth. God created us because He wanted to give. He created man in his image. However because he wanted us to receive he made us a little different by forming a physical body. We had to be different in order to receive of God. The moment he made us to receive we became polar opposites of God. God the giver us the receiver. These are complimentary opposites. In God's mind there is only unity. In man's mind there are only opposites, duality. Because of this opposition a separation naturally occurred. Man's mind is always at war in thoughts of good and evil, up and down, north and south and so on. Because of this separation man forgot he was part of God. Because God did not want us to live forever being separated from him not knowing our true nature, he made it so that those who sincerely want to reunite with him could and hid it from those who weren't sincere.  To be a giver a willing receiver is needed, otherwise it would be forcing not giving. Yeshua came from God the same way we did. When God told us through his Prophets we were like him we did not believe it. So he allowed a part of him to be born of woman and in the flesh (we are all a part of him born of woman after the fall) Christ (meaning the anointed) came into life the same as anyone else in order to show us that we can unite our mind in unity and ascend not just the spirit but the flesh also. God created us out of love. Christ showed love by dying to show us our body and soul is still a part of God and can live forever with Him. For those who take this love so lightly with a smirk on your face. I'm not so sure about you.

  35. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    Careful. Your religious "love" is showing! lol lol

    1. profile image0
      Deborah Sextonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      No that's called spiritual love. However I would rather be a lover of religion then someone who hates all things that give hope.
      Tell me, what do you put your hope in? Yourself?

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      Deborah Sextonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      These little guys lol lol look like you.(they have your smile)   Were they created in your image?

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        The world is a mirror, take a look at your "love" smile

  36. profile image0
    sneakorocksolidposted 8 years ago

    Jesus is the son of God and thats referenced all throughout the New Testament.

  37. thesecondadvent profile image61
    thesecondadventposted 8 years ago

    My Dear Sweet Friends,

    Jesus was, indeed, a master teacher, or as was said, the Messiah.  And, he entered into what is determined to be "union" with God, the Creator of all.  In other words he achieved his individual divinity, his God-consciousness.  That same thing mayest be achieved by any one who seek to Love with a pure heart. 

    Because the world is ruled by hate, people worshipping money and the things money buys, it hated Jesus.  Jesus was all Love, having achieve union with Love, which is the Creator.  And, Love and hate canst not abide together.  Thus, the world hated Jesus and pushed him out of the world. 

    Jesus knew this wouldest happen, but he knew too that he must continue onward because his death wouldest pave the way both for many to become one with Love, as well as the beginning of the establishment of the Kingdom of Love/Heaven upon all the Earth.  He knew that another wouldest come in that same union with Love, doing the same things he did, yet completing the dynamic duel of the two advents of Christ that is required for a "hell-world" to be transformed into a "heaven-world".

    The Son of God is the Christ-head that is entered into when one achieve union with God/Love.  Thus, Jesus was the Christ or one who entered into the Christ-head, the Son of God, the Son of Man.

  38. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 8 years ago

    a chinese whisper started many many years ago

  39. profile image48
    Chief Apatheticposted 7 years ago

    At my new hub I have a picture of how Jesus appeared to me in the sky when I was a boy of 10.  Jesus has a lot more going on than most people can ever fathom, & possibly even I can fathom.
    As the Son, he is one with the Father.  In human flesh he was still a Spiritual l Being from the Kingdom.  Perhaps for the movie mind he entered into Caesar's Matrix.  or The Matrix of this world at that Time.   He called his disciples to begin teaching the teachings of the Kingdom of Heaven that is not of the world of man, this world.

    Then time passed, and here we all are now.  In the Kingdom Jesus is the Law.   Herod was a worldly King just as Rome was a worldly Kingdom.  Jesus did not have any legal standing under either Herod's rule or Rome's rule other than he was allowed by Roman law to teach of the Kingdom & the Father.  Jesus did not have any legal status in the Religious system of Israel who he peeved greatly.

    Here come the worldly soldiers.  Jesus had enough between his own Two Temples not be taken to the 3'd Temple where the Religious Leaders awaited to try & execute him.  But that was the will of the Father for him.   

    Even though the Religious Leaders were schooled in the Torah & the prophecies of the Torah they still didn't know Jesus.  Jesus was just guy wandering causing trouble.  He was a trouble maker to them.   A threat to their worldly power & rule over the Temple or so they perceived so they had to get rid him.

    Myself personally I don't belong to any aspect of Organized Religion because I have enough between my own Two Temples not to go the 3'd Temple.

  40. errum fattah profile image55
    errum fattahposted 7 years ago

    I HOPE U'LL READ MY POST
           I have a verse
    "And behold, one came and said unto him: 'Good master, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?'
    And he [Jesus] said unto him, 'Why callest thou me good?  There is none good but one, that is God of bible

  41. errum fattah profile image55
    errum fattahposted 7 years ago

    i want u to search in yahoo asa topic
       y did jesus say that he is not God
        sorry i can't give u any website abt tht but search abt it
    n don't think it as a joke its the question of ur last breath.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus is not God.
      What about my last breath ? hmm

  42. skyfire profile image75
    skyfireposted 7 years ago

    And copy paste warrior goes on...

  43. profile image0
    Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago

    The 2nd adam.
    The manifest will/word of Elohim.

  44. profile image0
    SirDentposted 7 years ago

    He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

  45. Mikel G Roberts profile image80
    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago

    What If...

    ...Once upon a time

    There was an alien spaceship that was exploring space. This spaceship encountered a planet with a very primitive culture and they thought it would be interesting to investigate. They launched a shuttle craft and sent three explorers down to the surface of this strange new planet. While the explorers were on the planet something happened to the mother-ship.



    There was only enough time for an artificially intelligent robot to gather some genetic material from one of the crew and escape to the planet's surface. Once on the planet the robot encountered a young girl. Since the robot communicated telepathically, it was able to communicate to the young girl in images in her head. Many of these images she did not comprehend. She understood this strange and angelic creature needed her for some great and desperate purpose. She agreed to the creatures request saying, "let it be done to me as you say". So the robot artificially inseminated the young girl, whose name was Mary.



    Soon afterwards the three explorers contacted the robot, it left Mary to go to the explorers. When the robot found the three explorers it downloaded everything that had transpired on the mother-ship and on the planet. The three explorers, knowing that the bacteria on this new planet would kill them within a year, without the intervention of their technology, decided to allow the pregnancy to take it's course.

    They hoped to find a cure for themselves in the blending of the two races. Understanding that the young girl was in dire consequences, an unwed mother was killed in this primitive culture. The three explorers came up with a plan, and once again using the robot to communicate telepathically, they asked a young man to marry the young woman. He, like Mary, didn't really understand all that was communicated to him. He did understand that something very important, was being asked of him, by a very great and powerful being. A being never before seen by the likes of him, so he agreed to what was asked of him as well.



    During the pregnancy the explorers came to understand that there was no hope for them. They used a device that created a homing flare to locate the young girl and her unborn babe. They followed the flare and found Mary in a manager. They gave to her gifts they had come to possess on the planet, and secretly they downloaded their history and technology into the young child's brain. The technologically advanced tools they had with them they made sure would be given to the child when he was old enough to use them.



    The child grew to be a great sage, a wise and holy man. So great was he, that in time, he changed the entire world. Unfortunately the people in power at the time of his coming, were not about to allow him and all his great knowledge unseat them from their power, their control, over the people of this primitive planet. So they killed the great wise man.


    What If Jesus was an Alien?

    {taken from my hub, Seasoning the meaning of life.}

  46. BDazzler profile image80
    BDazzlerposted 7 years ago

    I wrote a hub called, "Who Do You Say I Am" , because I think Larry Norman put it into better words than I could.

    The last verse sums up my point of view quite well...

    "Some say He was the Son of God,
    A Man above all men,
    That He came to be a Servant
    And to set us free from sin. 
    And that's who I believe he was,
    'cause that's who I believe..."

    From "Outlaw" by Larry Norman

  47. Jerami profile image72
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    In my opinion ... Jesus of Nazarus with out a doubt was the Messiah as described by the prophets of the Old Testament.
       He fulfilled the prophesy that is written that he would.

      This much I believe Christians and Islamics can agree upon.
       
      To say more than this would be entering into the realm of interpretation and a denominational declaration of faith.
       And everyone is entitled to their own.
       How we feel about him is a private truth of our own belonging to each individual.

  48. errum fattah profile image55
    errum fattahposted 7 years ago

    well, wat the thing is getting in my sence that is
    yea jesus was a human cuz he was borned from a lady made of bones like all other humans. look if jesus is God or son of God than he should must have any other miraclous powers except massiahai cuz God should have all powers but he was having only massiahai. well, dont guess that iam against of jesus i love him as much i love my mohommad(pbuh), i respect him as much i respect my mohommad(pbuh) and i can give my life to him as much i can do for my mohommad(pbuh). i just want to remove your misunderstanding.

 
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