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underhiswingsposted 15 years ago
Was Messiah (Jesus The Christ) GOD in the flesh ?

State who "you" say that HE is or was and be clear, no ambiguity.
Interested to hear and or discuss who you say He is / was.
So please only state this and not just some off the wall things okay?

*Can we do this respectfully please?*
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  Neil Sperlingposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We "ALL" are God in the flesh..... Jesus was a cool guy who was more consciously aware of (in tune with) that fact than most of us..... including me!
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please elaborate further.
  
  Wondering if you are as "aware" as He was / is?
  
  Explain how we are all "God in the flesh"
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  Neil Sperlingposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He speaks not of himself but of the father within him - I am in the father and the father in me and I am in you -- which means to me "we are all part of; in inside of; and made of; the same essence of life" - through a conscious realization of this connection we can become aware of the truth "we are one."
  
  He also said "why do you marvel of the works I have done - there will be others come who do more."
  
  He said "I am the way" - but he was speaking of the father inside him and also inside every one.
  
  He simply knew it - we are still learning! I am still learning so to answer your comment re: Wondering if I am aware as he is... I answer - no - I can only walk on water if it is froze solid! "I'm still learning too"
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Pharisees and Scribes wanted Him dead because He said He is / was God and do you believe this about Him?
  
  He said some were of their father the devil so I do not think that Messiahs Father is inside us all, but those who are drawn to Messiah by His Father have the witness of His Truth within them.
  
  When He said "let them be one even as We are One" He was talking about a certain people who were called, chosen and believed what He said.
  
  How did you come to believe in Him if I may ask?
  
  Your name seems to indicate Jewish ancestors / background, yes?
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  Neil Sperlingposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Pharisees and Scribes wanted Him dead because he was teaching everyone "they too could attain enlightenment." Those in power did not want the masses to know that because they wanted to control the masses --- same as today!
  
  No - the father "IS" inside everyone..... the conscious mind is the evil one as it does not accept this higher reality.
  
  Anyone surrendering to the power of the one, "inside us all," will come to "know" this connection/truth. That is why he said "let......" meaning surrender!
  
  As for my family roots - Prusia on dads side and Ireland on moms. .... Actually - I'm Earthling as far as I know.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well here is the account as recorded by one who was there.
  
  The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
  John 10:33
  
  And what of the other questions I asked you, can you answer succinctly?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well written and its the truth.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. Jesus came to teach us that we are "made in his image", that is, we can attain the same state as Him, which is oneness with God. "The kingdom of God is within you", He said. Which means that our essence is goodness.
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  Neil Sperlingposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It would not let me edit my last comments - so here it is below again with a couple minor edited changes.
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  Scripture says "He speaks not of himself but of the father within him" - << I am in the father and the father in me and I am in you >>
  
  -- which means to me "we are all part of; in all inside of; and all made of; the same essence of life" -
  
  Enlightened through a conscious realization of this connection with the divine, we can ALL become aware of the truth "we are one." We are ALL god in the flesh because everything there ever was, is and will be, is this same divine essence
  
  He also said "why do you marvel of the works I have done - there will be others come who do more."
  
  HE said "I am the way" - but he was speaking of the father inside him and also inside every one.
  
  He simply knew it - we are still learning! I am still learning so to answer your comment re: Wondering if I am aware as he is... I answer - no - I can only walk on water if it is froze solid! LOL << "I'm still learning too" >>
  
  We are the ones we are waiting for.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is a way to edit your comments and it takes practice.
  
  So it appears that you do not believe Him to be the Savior of mankind.
  You believe that we are?
  
  It is written of Him that He is the only mediator between God and mankind.
  Do you believe this?
  
  And what of the other questions I asked you?
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  Neil Sperlingposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You said "So it appears that you do not believe Him to be the Savior of mankind.
  You believe that we are?
  
  It is written of Him that He is the only mediator between God and mankind. Do you believe this? "
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  My belief - "He is not the savior of mankind." - He was a man who became Enlightened when he surrendered his conscious mind completely to be in TUNE with the universal mind. When he said "I am the way" - he was saying that "Look - I'm just a simple carpenter and I became enlightened... so can you!"
  
  As for your question re: mediator - "you have not heard what I said. He was speaking not of himself but of the father in him.... <He was/is in the father> <same as you are in the father> <same as the father is in you> ... <and EVERYONE else!>"
  
  Scripture says time and time again "Meditate on these things!"
  
  True meditation opens the conscious mind to the higher power of god "in us all"...... and as often as the statement is made to "meditate" in scripture - few Christians get it!!!
  
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am well aware of everything you state, just wanting clarification from you and have to ask more questions to narrow it down because many have a form of truth, but when questioned hard, a lie usually comes out.
  
  "To as many as received Him did He give eternal life"
  So Messiah is not this "all inclusive" Mediator as some think.
  He said you must follow Me and learn of Me or you have no part of Me or My Father.
  
  We have to be clear on THIS!!!
  
  Do you not know how to use the editor?
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  Neil Sperlingposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "To as many as received Him did He give eternal life"
  So Messiah is not this "all inclusive" Mediator as some think.
  He said you must follow Me and learn of Me or you have no part of Me or My Father.
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  You are not clear to me what you are saying / asking here.
  
  My point is "all of this has nothing to do with Jesus... it has everything to do with the higher power within"
  
  That higher power is in everyone...... becoming one with that higher consciousness you then understand/KNOW eternal life.
  
  Time is an illusion - everything there is/was/will be, can be broken down into vibrations.
  
  Atoms and molecules are in motion, light is vibration, sound is vibration - consciousness is vibration - time is nothing more than our conscious realization of the unending changes in the this whole field of vibration.
  
  Eternity is this very moment, but to completely grab onto that fact - conscious enlightenment is necessary.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Messiah said if you do not believe in Me then you have no part with me and My Father.
  
  Pretty clear that we must believe in Him I would say.
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  Neil Sperlingposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would say it is very clear that he is saying "if you are not in tune with that higher power in you..... you will not be aware of your connection to the divine yourself"
  
  Dogma and the power of the conscious mind will hold most people away from true enlightenment. Let go and you'll find god is in everyone and everything.
  
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  I honor you, for that place in you, where the universe resides.
  I honor you, for that place in you, of love, of light, of truth and of peace.
  I honor you, for that place in you, for when you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
  
  See you there!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True meditation opens the conscious mind to the higher power of god "in us all"...... and as often as the statement is made to "meditate" in scripture - few Christians get it!!!
  
  Its a pleasure to read your thoughts I totally agree with you.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Only the favored prophets as yourself understand, right?
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  we are god in the flesh because Adam ate the forbidden fruit that the serpent said would give us knowledge making us as gods. This still lingers with us yet today. As we preceive ourselves to be as gods ye continue to fall yet farther away. To HUMBLE OURSELVES is the only answer as to how to get out of the prediciment that we are in.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "The kingdom of god is within" Jesus don't you ever listen to or believe your prophet?
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Was Messiah (Jesus The Christ) GOD in the flesh ?
  
  no.
  
  State who "you" say that HE is or was and be clear, no ambiguity.
  
  He was a very amiable and charismatic young man whose legend enend up being his undoing.
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  zampanoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And he became a Super Star
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are we talking about Barak Obama?
  
  Sorry, couldn't resist.
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  justintimeeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  YES!!!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He was an enlightened one , a knower of the self or god.All enlightened ones know they are the Light or god.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  While they maintain an ignorant 1 belief system with no self awareness that a 1 belief system contradicts them being born an individual.
  
  You are the enlightened prophet!
  
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You got it all wrong, you don't know the meaning of self awareness while the masters do (note the word masters.)
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  YES He was God in the flesh, (the Father still was in Heaven as always). The only human part of him was his body, having been born of a human Mary.
  
  YES He is still God, an inseparable part of the Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost).
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When? Was he born before the 3.5 Million year old family of three who's photographic and physical proof is here for all to see?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Since he came to let us know the flesh and spirit came from God and that both are ascended., of course you would not have his body to prove anything. If he had left his body then we could say he wasn't of God. Because there is no body yet written records of him by many not just one, it makes him even more real.
  Tell me, have you ever gone by the Nickname...The Morning Star?
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Messenger_of_god8posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  QuirkyPearlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A man, a human being, a teacher and a prophet who was born in Bethlehem and active in Nazareth, his life and sermons formed the basis for Christianity.
  
  Was he god in the flesh? He was a man of such superior qualities that he 'seemed' like a deity a god amongst man, however, he was just a man, a human being made of the same flesh and blood that we all are made of.
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  rhamsonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Read this:
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus, The Christ, is the son of God.
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Jesus Christ was and is the Messiah, GOD in the flesh, that was prophesied about in the Old Testament (Torah).
  
  No doubt about it.
  
  PS. It's kind of laughable that some people would think that Jesus Christ, the King of kings, Lord of lords is going to be forgotten about after 2,000 years. In fact I find it rather sad for these people.
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  Best Optionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was a prophet who performed miracles and who taught the people of his time to worship God, Whom he himself was worshipping. He is not part of an indivisible God, neither is he the son of ONE WHO IS IN NO NEED OF ANYONE OR ANYHING:
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If he was a god, then he was a sheep in wolves clothing, so to speak, as he faked his death to fool everyone.
  
  If he was a man, then he was simply a man.
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  paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend underhiswings
  
  Jesus was no god or son of god; he was made of flesh and bones like every other human being; he himself said he was Son of Man; and his mother was not a wife of her son.
  
  The Creator-God Allah YHWH is only attributive; he has no physical body or spirit; physical bodies and spirits are His creation.
  
  When one says Jesus was flesh; one insults Jesus. Jesus was no a plethora of flesh. He used to walk in Judea; even after the incident of Crucifixion; he was seen walking in Judea; so the flesh was wound over bones; otherwise he would have been born dead; as mere flesh cannot survive.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
A cool guy who cared a lot about other people?
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Can you provide an absolute statement rather than a question please ?
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope. Because there is no absolute. I put a question mark because that was my guess.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Excuse me, I didn't mean to sound so disrespectful I really want to understand. I Love God. But when I say that I think of Jesus Christ and I'm not sure that's right. I did not grow up going to sunday school. So I'm lost when you speak of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit(who is that?)
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did you reply to the wrong comment?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like it! The biblical mind doesn't understand absolutes because it challenges their faith. The biblical mind is absolutely unaware to the psycology of the bible to make their dependent minds believe.
  
  Those are not my absolute beliefs.
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zadrobiposted 15 years ago
A carpenter that performed miracles and other charitable acts of God on the side.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that your serious answer?
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zampanoposted 15 years ago
No ambiguity ???
Try to explain Holy Trinity for instance.
Father, Son and the Holy Ghost.
(took the next train for the coast...)
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, so no statement as to what you believe?
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  zampanoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Man when you make assertions like the topic of this forum, you should state what sect you oblige to.
  Christianism nowdays looks like a ancient language that broke in a thousand dialects.
  
  some years ago, when I attended my compulsory religious education,
  there was no question about confusion between Jesus and God. Damn it...
  (Roman Catholics) That is why I mention the Holy Trinity mistery.
  They are three. God is the whole trinity, yet somehow He is an Identity above and independent.
  All is mistery and you finally believe in your own wishes. Ok?
  Is it not what everybody is doing here ?
  I believe in wish.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do not "belong" to a sect or religion or group.
  No need to state it.
  Thanks for your input.
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  Margie01posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Father (God) The Son (God in human form) and The Holy Spirit (The Love and Guidance of God)
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Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years ago
Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God; the second person in the Godhead; and he is united in mindset with his father. Jesus Christ is God.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So He is the visible Image of an invisible God?
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patfulposted 15 years ago
When Jesus Christ was out and about on our planet, He told people (on more than one occasion), "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father". In other words, He was claiming that He was sent to show us what God is like. That's a huge claim. Not everybody believed Him when He said it, but some did. To my mind, a person owes it to himself/herself, in fairness, to examine what He said about Himself; what His enemies said about Him and what His supporters said about Him. (You can make this examination by reading the record of His life in Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.)
He was a colossal liar, a monumental lunatic or the Son of God, as He claimed. If He was truly the Son, then His words are worth paying attention to. My choice has been to recognize Him as the human incarnation of the Eternal God.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well stated point of view and thanks for the input.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, he is reported by other people (the people who wrote the Gospels) as saying that. We have no recordings of what he actually said. We also don't have the benefit of reading the original Hebrew to make sure it was accurately translated.
  
  I believe Jesus was a historical figure, a charismatic visionary with ideas far ahead of his time. I'm not sure about anything else.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Why do Christian revel in confusing people? Why do you sometimes say Jesus is God? That confuses and angers people. Jesus was our Brother sent by God to save us. On the Cross he Prayed "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" Why would God pray to hisself?
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not confused at all as the answer is written clearly in Genesis where it says "Let US make man in OUR image"
  GOD in Hebrew is plural. Elohiym.
  
  Jesus said He is God, so is The Father and so is The Holy Spirit.
  
  They are One (Echad) in every purpose.
  
  Jesus took on the roll of a servant and yielded to His Father in everything.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds logical to me. Where do the unicorns come in? Can't have holy spirits without unicorns.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did I here somebody say SPEAK ENGLISH and make some sense. Oh yea! the guy that started this forum. So please stop tryin to be cute and help us to understand.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
A human being full of persian, indian and egyptcian knowledge.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And can you tell us how you came to this conclusion?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All Jesus teaching ,have been taught before by hindus, sumerians, zoroastrians and egyptcians. A sect called Nazarian ,during Jesus epoch, taught all this eastern teachings. and by what some scholars say, Jesus was an adept.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay thanks for the clarification.
  I was wondering if you had any proof because you made an absolute statement in your first post. So it seems like you are citing "some scholars"
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  there's no proof. Do you have one ? I doubt that. I'm only saying what I believe to be the truth. The truth that suits best to my beliefs. That's all
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Read the Holy Vedas, Bhagwat Gita, Holy Gathas and you will see the similarity of Jesus teachings.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The similarity is, they all taught to rely on a follower belief for control.
  
  Did they teach the followers to create an indvidual belief or a follower belief. Answer that with your faith and interpretation. I'm sure I can expect a circular response that hides from the question.
  
  Was the goal to create followers or individuals?
  
  There, I broke it down so it would be easier for you.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They teach you how to discover your true self, your god self .You become the master.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  One story goes he came to India , gained enlightenment and went back to the west to spread this knowledge.The first church in the world is build in India.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Basically mystical and god knowledge.
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zampanoposted 15 years ago
LOL tantrum.
You're quite a trinity yourself.
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awareposted 15 years ago
was he god? not mine.my idea of god is bigger than flesh
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So then who is / was He? Can you please answer?
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
I had to stop and post, when I saw this one?

What was Jesus Christ?

Jesus Christ was a teacher and minister.

What he taught? Human Consciousness and Honest Living.

Was he the right hand of GOD? No!

Was he the son of GOD? No!

Was he a prophet? No!

He was the FIRST and ONLY human being, who taught other human beings to be aware of their own existence, so they could escape control of the church.

He describes "particular" places in code, so each new human being learns and becomes adaptable to their surroundings, and control their entire life, all on their own.

At the time he was teaching and ministering to followers, he was perceived as a threat of the church. That's is WHY he died!

He didn't died for our sins, as a race. He died because he began casting a shadow over the church, as more and more of his followers found enlightenment(their own consciousness).

Which allowed each to make their own decisions and the ability to believe what they want to believe, instead of following the indoctrinations of the church.

Jesus Christ was MURDERED for voicing his views?

When will humanity ever grow up? Who knows.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  the church was founded after Jesus death. maybe you're talking about the temple ? Hebrew temple?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's what you are told.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  so what were you told ?
  If Peter is the founder of the church, it has to be after Jesus death ! Before, in Jesus times, there were only Hebrew temples or roman / greek gods temples,apart of a lot of other different tribal gods temples
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, so do you think we are waiting for a prophet, son of god, right hand of god to come?
  
  Well it states that they killed Him for saying He is God.
  
  So you totally disagree with the scriptures which is your choice.
  And you keep saying "churches", but they only had Synagogues in that day.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Churches" encompasses all religion head-of-state, you know popes, cardinals and others. I would thought you would known that, as you seem to be so versed.
  
  As for some of your other comments, mixed in. Jesus Christ was murdered at the hands of the "church", not because he claimed to be GOD or a God. Jesus Christ was murdered so, religious sects could continue to control the masses. They wanted to keep people unknowingly subjected to their insight and NOT to think for themselves.
  
  How do you think religion came to be? Duh! They used his murder, as a day of reckoning, to ensure no one found out the real truth, because if so....they would lose their hold on humanity, and their wealth, popularity and influence.
  
  Again, what I know and how I know it based on common-sense and knowledge of early humans. Yes, you can look to religion for some things, but only as a reference book with a lot of mistakes.
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underhiswingsposted 15 years ago
Okay thanks man.
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awareposted 15 years ago
first these are just ideas i have. my idea of god hasnt a gender. hasnt a son. it creates suns. it dosent create life. it creates the conditions from which life can evolve. my idea of god dosent need or demand worship .it doesnt punish or reward.it cant listen to prayer.for its far away createing new suns. it doesnt look back. only moves forward. my idea of god does care tho it constantly dreams and continues to create.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you think God can do all of that and yet NOT "come in the flesh" and complete a mission and return from where God came from?
  Is anything impossible for God?
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awareposted 15 years ago
all of that ? i m pretty sure i posted only one thing and that was that its a sun creator. i also posted that these are ideas. and are in no way to be considered factual or claimes of truth . have you read my creation story hub?
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you think God can do all of that and yet NOT "come in the flesh" and complete a mission and return from where God came from?
  Is anything impossible for God?
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  awareposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  apparently appeasing you is one impossibility so thats one . lol
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am just after the truth in all things.
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Bibowenposted 15 years ago
Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, the second person of the Trinity, the only one through which salvation is possible. For those that know Him, he is our ever present High Priest, our Savior, our Redeemer, the Conqueror of Sin and Death, having bodily arose on the third day. As for the future, He is our returning King and our everlasting abode. One day, all of mankind will bow before Him and confess Him as Lord to the Glory of God the Father. Amen.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, to the point !
  No wishey washey thoughts there.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not . Why should I ? why 'christians' are so arrogant ?.Do you feel better thinking unbelievers are such horrible sinners, men without salvation? Well, he's not my King and I'm not bowing
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  1 Belief = 1 Mind
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The mind of Messiah is without limits.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not true. His mind was limited. He messed up.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like an absolute statement.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Closer to absolute than your fear driven belief prophet.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Awesome Truth! Amen!
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zampanoposted 15 years ago
What are you ?
Freelance metaphysitian ?
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That word cannot be found, do you have a def?
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  zampanoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why? You've done a Google search on that ?
  hehehe. Stop translating using google.
  
  freelance metaphysician.
  You are a formalist all right.
  You perfectly understand what I mean.
  Formal freelance metaphysician.
  
  Well the subject you lauched is not entirely deprived of interest.
  And I'm here in this forum, as if I was trying time travel.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I did not use google, used 3 dictionaries.
  I also have no label, never have.
  I am interested in truth only, nothing more, nothing less.
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TMinutposted 15 years ago
The strange part is they say they killed him for saying he is God but he's not the one who said that. He didn't claim to be the Father, he always made it quite clear that he wasn't.

"Why do you call me good? There is none good but the Father..."
"The Father is greater than I"
"Doesn't your own scripture say you are gods? If he called them gods unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken, why do you call me a blasphemer for saying I am the SON of God?"
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He did say He was God and He also allowed people to worship Him and when asked if He was God He said yes, it is as you say.
  
  Peter also said "You are The Christ, The Son of God"
  
  Yes, He made it clear that He and the Father are One, and this is a very clear term in the original as to it's meaning and that is why they killed Him.
  
  Do you think He rose from the dead?
  Was crucified for the sins of mankind?
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  TMinutposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where was he asked if he was God? And saying he and the Father were one didn't mean he was claiming to be God in the original. Where did you get that from? Especially since he also said we are all to be one even as he and the Father are one.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He stated that "before Abraham was I AM" and then the leaders took up rocks to kill Him because they knew exactly what that means.
  
  I AM is the term for the Name of God given to Moses. And for Him to say He existed before Abraham removed all doubt from the minds of the hearers standing around.
  
  I gave the passage where it says that the leaders of the Jews told Him why they wanted to kill Him, for "being a man and yet claiming to be God"
  
  That was their entire reason and so He made it clear to them who He is !
  
  The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
  John 10:33
  
  Yes we are to be one as They are One, but this does not mean we are They.
  Echad in Hebrew is One, just like the 2 shall become 1 flesh as with Adam and Eve.
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TMinutposted 15 years ago
Jesus was the image of the invisible God, he was what a human looks like while totally connected and filled with the spirit of the Almighty.

He came in the flesh it says, so he was a man. If he was the Almighty himself, how could the Almighty have sanctified him and sent him into the world? You don't purify and set apart what's already pure.
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
He is the son of God.
He is our savior.
He is Alpha and Omega.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who is "our" ?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He's everyones some people suffer from brain damage and don't realize it.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How can He be your savior without you believing in Him?
  That is contrary to what He said.
  
  "if you do not believe in Me then you have no part in Me"
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He's still your savior you just don't know it yet. It's ok you can be lost and confused and I'll still love you unconditionally. Just say to your self I can learn, I can learn and you will learn! Then you'll be really happy! You're not really happy now you just think you are but thats cureable. Remember, I can learn, I can learn, I can learn...........
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Ridiculous. The one trapped in belief attempts to give psychology lessons.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He's your savior too! He doesn't care about handicaps he loves you even more that you're special and challenged! I'm allways amazed when people like you learn to communicate with others, now it's time to communicate with our savior! This will be an important moment in you life, you will become complete. Let's start with Christmas! Boy this is a fun time of the year! Everybodies happy and full of love of their fellow man and women! We celebrate this time of year because of the birth of our savior! Yes, it's Jesus's birthday! Big party! Now isn't this fun? Next time we'll talk about how to walk on water, OK?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  I'm sure you know all about walking on water since you are a prophet as well. Keep the faith. Worship your government god.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well since you have no idea what church I attend that really makes this funnier than you know! I'm not a prophet and I don't like people picking on Christians either. It allways brings out my sarcastic side.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your sarcastic side is only to defend your ignorant faith. Ah, so you haven't graduated to prophet, keep believing, you will be granted prophethood!
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, no. This is called "Turning the other cheek."
  
  It is part of the christian credo of non-conflict and one of the things that means they are better than everyone else because they have these high moral standards given to them by god.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Gotta love favoritism being a divine creation. We are simply not favored to be followers because their God born us with an individual mind. Doesn't make sense to me either.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you are unaware He was not born in the winter or December?
  But I get your point.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that directed at me?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think so? Did you change?
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Guess you do not read what I post.
  http://hubpages.com/forum/post/430878
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "if you don't believe in me you're not a part of me."
  I remember this part.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like a threat to me.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is what He said, not me.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You took a quote out of context to make a point.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's all about interpretation.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now see I love you for that! If you were here I'd want to hold your hands! Good night.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My hands are busy holding my pitchfork, remember?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know you love me too, com'on admit it.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will when you recognize that you have an individual mind.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not at all, but no need to argue, read it for yourself.
  
  How about this one.
  
  "He that has the Son has life, he that does not have the Son, has no life."
  
  Or "you have not chosen Me but I have chosen You and you must remain in Me and I in you"
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  UpHisAssposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well done UnderHisWings. Excellent work. Starting a thread to ask for respectful opinions and then making them see that they are wrong and you have the answer for them.
  
  Good job. Great fight. Wonderful energy created. We are Happy.
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  Rhianni32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah thats pretty much what my thought is too.
  
  Going against underhiswings' intentions, there are some great comments in here from people wanting to share ideas and not push an agenda of changing other people's beliefs to match their own.
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TimTurnerposted 15 years ago
I'm sure there was a real person named Jesus who helped the poor and did other kind acts.

His story got told many times and was turned into legend.

All legendary stories have "larger-than-life" accounts.

Jesus was a human who did good deeds.

Nothing more.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for your opinion.
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Fairbearposted 15 years ago
Jesus was a guy about whom we today know very little. A good case can be made that he didn't even exist. The only thing we know about him for sure is that he inspired the formation of a powerful and diverse religion. Every other purported "fact" about him can only be supported by tradition and hearsay--not evidence.

As for me, I think he existed, but was just an ordinary guy who lived in an extraordinary time.
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TMinutposted 15 years ago
If you have seen me, you have seen the Father doesn't mean I am the Father. People say that now to tell how closely a child resembles a parent, my MIL told one of her friends exactly that when her friend said, I've met all your grandchildren but I've still never met your son. MIL started laughing and said, "Yes, you have, you just met (my oldest), so you HAVE met my son. They look alike, they think alike, they act just alike! Believe me, you met my son."

It's the verse before that that sounds as if he's claiming to be the Father but that's when he continued and explained what he meant.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am well aware that Jesus is not the Father, He made that clear, He also made it clear that He is the exact Image of an invisible God who is Spirit.
  
  He was saying I am the visible Image of the Father who cannot be seen.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are not a prophet.
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TMinutposted 15 years ago
jerami, you wrote: we are god in the flesh because Adam ate the forbidden fruit that the serpent said would give us knowledge making us as gods.

Not that we need to believe what "the serpent" said but still, very good point. I've never thought of that before. Something that happened to me is what made me so interested in the role having knowledge plays in our lives - this is useful for me.
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TMinutposted 15 years ago
under his wings, earlier you DID say that Jesus claimed to be God though, that's why I was saying that I didn't believe it. I thought you believed he said it and that it was true.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He did say it and that is the account the Jews told Him why they wanted to kill Him for...."because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
  
  He also said to His students (disciples) "You call Me LORD and you are right in saying so, but why don't you do as I say?"
  
  He also allowed people to worship Him and plenty more could be said.
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TMinutposted 15 years ago
Neil, I think you have it backwards (because of my own experiences); the spirit is one we can accept into us, not one we find that's lost somewhere inside already. But since "in him we live and move and have our being" I can see it your way too. God IS life, existence, being, reality.
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  underhiswingsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He is able to save them to the uttermost all of them who come to Him and are called according to His Divine purpose.
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underhiswingsposted 15 years ago
Personally I am not trapped at all because I know.

One mind that is unlimited.

One mind that is beyond all comprehension.

One mind that has no borders.

One mind contained in one individual.

One mind that contains all logic, reason and understanding.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did jesus teach you that?
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C.V.Rajanposted 15 years ago
From Hinduism's point of view, Jesus Christ is an Avatar, an incarnation of God.

According to Bhagavat Gita (a Holy scripture of Hinduism), God descends to earth from time to time, to protect the good-hearted, to punish the wicked and to re-establish dharma (righteousness) that sinks from time to time in the earth.

Ramakrishna Paramahsa, a great Hindu spiritual master says seeing an avatar is equivalent to seeing God. He also says since man is the best of all created beings, God's manifestation in an avatar in human form is also the best. Seeing and understanding an avatar's teaching is also the best way to grasp Godliness. How can people develop faith in God unless God comes and teaches in the form of a man?

Jesus' statement that seeing him is equivalent to seeing God corroborates with what Ramakrishna has stated.

Another great Hindu saint Ramana Maharishi used to quote several passages from Bible (Jesus' teachings) and explain how the statements corroborate with Hindu scriptures and how he himself had personally experienced those states.

While great masters of Hinduism, who have transcended narrow religious barriers, acknowledge the "avatarhood" of Jesus, they however do not agree to any suggestion that Jesus is or could be the "only" son God. According to Hinduism, happening of an Avatar is a recurring process, as demanded by the needs of the time. In Hinduism, we get Avatars on a recurring basis.

Generally, when a great religious master captures the love, respect and adoration of many people cutting across barriers of religious sects, creeds and countries, and when they spearhead a new direction and light to the spiritual needs of the people of a particular time, we can say that an avatar has happened.

This way, Ramakrishna was an avatar. Now, Mata Amritanandamayi (the hugging saint) is an avatar.
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C.V.Rajanposted 15 years ago
I quote Neil Sperling:

"We "ALL" are God in the flesh..... Jesus was a cool guy who was more consciously aware of (in tune with) that fact than most of us..... including me!"

I think Neil has beautifully explained what Hinduism essentially states in its core philosophy, the "Vedanta".

Yes. We are all God in flesh, but we have no awareness of it. If only we turn our attention inwards instead of outwards with all earnestness leaving behind all external pursuits, we too are capable of becoming Jesuses.

The Bhagavat Gita says, only one in a thousand can grasp this and attempt do it; and hardly one or two amongst thousands of such seekers can attain the truth.
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  Neil Sperlingposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You Rajan - it may seen strange to some - "the bible" in my opinion "teaches the same thing - cloaked in allegorical stories."
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C.V.Rajanposted 15 years ago
Yes Neil.

Recently I was writing a couple of articles on Bible subjects in the Helium Website's marketplace and as I researched for quotes from bible, I was really flabbergasted by the similarities in the philosophies at several areas.

CVR
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
@ cagsil
you asked
Any other questions?

Yes
If goverment have laws, in place to protect life from being lost, don't you think that for some people religion is in place to protect their souls from being lost ?
Why do you say the church was before jesus, when everybody knows the church was founded by Peter after Jesus death?
Why do you think religion brings stress and that's the cause we can't live longer ?

and I have a lot more, but I can't be bothered asking you at the moment
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh ! you deleted the post ! well ....
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Oxidiz3rposted 15 years ago
I think Jesus was most likely just a guy with a beliefs that people agreed with--I know I do for the most part--and flocked to because of their need for peace.
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Shealy Healyposted 15 years ago
All physical matter is an energy form vibrating at prticular frequencies. Physical matter is only energy that vibrates at a slower frequency than spiritual matter. So....after death Jesus/The Messiah was certainly a higher frequency of energy-a spirit. The real question then is-those who saw his image-were they spiritually awakened enough to see a spiritual body of matter? My answer-yes.... The spirit was there for those who could see.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
No
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Craig Suitsposted 15 years ago
I don't know who Jesus was. You don't know who Jesus was, nor does anyone else on earth at the moment. It's been 2000 years. I mean, come on, how long are you people going to continue this fairytale? Why is it that absolutly every catagory of everything we humans deal with from math to our courts of law, require "proof" before we consider it fact or simply believable. Everything except our religions that is. I wonder why!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's sad to me that you are as old as you are and don't know God.
  The Universe is an orderly place. Everything fits and works together. If the Universe was not created everything would be mutated, out of order and chaotic. The wind is invisible and can only be proven by it's effects.
  However I understand there is the seed of Cain and the seed of Abel.
  Which one are you?
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
The truth is hidden from those who do not seek God in spirit and in truth. God created us because He wanted to give. He created man in his image. However because he wanted us to receive he made us a little different by forming a physical body. We had to be different in order to receive of God. The moment he made us to receive we became polar opposites of God. God the giver us the receiver. These are complimentary opposites. In God's mind there is only unity. In man's mind there are only opposites, duality. Because of this opposition a separation naturally occurred. Man's mind is always at war in thoughts of good and evil, up and down, north and south and so on. Because of this separation man forgot he was part of God. Because God did not want us to live forever being separated from him not knowing our true nature, he made it so that those who sincerely want to reunite with him could and hid it from those who weren't sincere. To be a giver a willing receiver is needed, otherwise it would be forcing not giving. Yeshua came from God the same way we did. When God told us through his Prophets we were like him we did not believe it. So he allowed a part of him to be born of woman and in the flesh (we are all a part of him born of woman after the fall) Christ (meaning the anointed) came into life the same as anyone else in order to show us that we can unite our mind in unity and ascend not just the spirit but the flesh also. God created us out of love. Christ showed love by dying to show us our body and soul is still a part of God and can live forever with Him. For those who take this love so lightly with a smirk on your face. I'm not so sure about you.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Careful. Your religious "love" is showing!
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No that's called spiritual love. However I would rather be a lover of religion then someone who hates all things that give hope.
  Tell me, what do you put your hope in? Yourself?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  These little guys look like you.(they have your smile) Were they created in your image?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The world is a mirror, take a look at your "love"
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
Jesus is the son of God and thats referenced all throughout the New Testament.
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thesecondadventposted 15 years ago
My Dear Sweet Friends,

Jesus was, indeed, a master teacher, or as was said, the Messiah. And, he entered into what is determined to be "union" with God, the Creator of all. In other words he achieved his individual divinity, his God-consciousness. That same thing mayest be achieved by any one who seek to Love with a pure heart.

Because the world is ruled by hate, people worshipping money and the things money buys, it hated Jesus. Jesus was all Love, having achieve union with Love, which is the Creator. And, Love and hate canst not abide together. Thus, the world hated Jesus and pushed him out of the world.

Jesus knew this wouldest happen, but he knew too that he must continue onward because his death wouldest pave the way both for many to become one with Love, as well as the beginning of the establishment of the Kingdom of Love/Heaven upon all the Earth. He knew that another wouldest come in that same union with Love, doing the same things he did, yet completing the dynamic duel of the two advents of Christ that is required for a "hell-world" to be transformed into a "heaven-world".

The Son of God is the Christ-head that is entered into when one achieve union with God/Love. Thus, Jesus was the Christ or one who entered into the Christ-head, the Son of God, the Son of Man.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
a chinese whisper started many many years ago
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Chief Apatheticposted 15 years ago
At my new hub I have a picture of how Jesus appeared to me in the sky when I was a boy of 10. Jesus has a lot more going on than most people can ever fathom, & possibly even I can fathom.
As the Son, he is one with the Father. In human flesh he was still a Spiritual l Being from the Kingdom. Perhaps for the movie mind he entered into Caesar's Matrix. or The Matrix of this world at that Time. He called his disciples to begin teaching the teachings of the Kingdom of Heaven that is not of the world of man, this world.

Then time passed, and here we all are now. In the Kingdom Jesus is the Law. Herod was a worldly King just as Rome was a worldly Kingdom. Jesus did not have any legal standing under either Herod's rule or Rome's rule other than he was allowed by Roman law to teach of the Kingdom & the Father. Jesus did not have any legal status in the Religious system of Israel who he peeved greatly.

Here come the worldly soldiers. Jesus had enough between his own Two Temples not be taken to the 3'd Temple where the Religious Leaders awaited to try & execute him. But that was the will of the Father for him.

Even though the Religious Leaders were schooled in the Torah & the prophecies of the Torah they still didn't know Jesus. Jesus was just guy wandering causing trouble. He was a trouble maker to them. A threat to their worldly power & rule over the Temple or so they perceived so they had to get rid him.

Myself personally I don't belong to any aspect of Organized Religion because I have enough between my own Two Temples not to go the 3'd Temple.
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errum fattahposted 15 years ago
I HOPE U'LL READ MY POST
I have a verse
"And behold, one came and said unto him: 'Good master, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?'
And he [Jesus] said unto him, 'Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God of bible
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errum fattahposted 15 years ago
i want u to search in yahoo asa topic
y did jesus say that he is not God
sorry i can't give u any website abt tht but search abt it
n don't think it as a joke its the question of ur last breath.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is not God.
  What about my last breath ?
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
And copy paste warrior goes on...
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Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago
The 2nd adam.
The manifest will/word of Elohim.
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SirDentposted 15 years ago
He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
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Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years ago
What If...

...Once upon a time
There was an alien spaceship that was exploring space. This spaceship encountered a planet with a very primitive culture and they thought it would be interesting to investigate. They launched a shuttle craft and sent three explorers down to the surface of this strange new planet. While the explorers were on the planet something happened to the mother-ship.

There was only enough time for an artificially intelligent robot to gather some genetic material from one of the crew and escape to the planet's surface. Once on the planet the robot encountered a young girl. Since the robot communicated telepathically, it was able to communicate to the young girl in images in her head. Many of these images she did not comprehend. She understood this strange and angelic creature needed her for some great and desperate purpose. She agreed to the creatures request saying, "let it be done to me as you say". So the robot artificially inseminated the young girl, whose name was Mary.

Soon afterwards the three explorers contacted the robot, it left Mary to go to the explorers. When the robot found the three explorers it downloaded everything that had transpired on the mother-ship and on the planet. The three explorers, knowing that the bacteria on this new planet would kill them within a year, without the intervention of their technology, decided to allow the pregnancy to take it's course.

They hoped to find a cure for themselves in the blending of the two races. Understanding that the young girl was in dire consequences, an unwed mother was killed in this primitive culture. The three explorers came up with a plan, and once again using the robot to communicate telepathically, they asked a young man to marry the young woman. He, like Mary, didn't really understand all that was communicated to him. He did understand that something very important, was being asked of him, by a very great and powerful being. A being never before seen by the likes of him, so he agreed to what was asked of him as well.

During the pregnancy the explorers came to understand that there was no hope for them. They used a device that created a homing flare to locate the young girl and her unborn babe. They followed the flare and found Mary in a manager. They gave to her gifts they had come to possess on the planet, and secretly they downloaded their history and technology into the young child's brain. The technologically advanced tools they had with them they made sure would be given to the child when he was old enough to use them.

The child grew to be a great sage, a wise and holy man. So great was he, that in time, he changed the entire world. Unfortunately the people in power at the time of his coming, were not about to allow him and all his great knowledge unseat them from their power, their control, over the people of this primitive planet. So they killed the great wise man.

What If Jesus was an Alien?

{taken from my hub, Seasoning the meaning of life.}
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BDazzlerposted 15 years ago
I wrote a hub called, "Who Do You Say I Am" , because I think Larry Norman put it into better words than I could.

The last verse sums up my point of view quite well...

"Some say He was the Son of God,
A Man above all men,
That He came to be a Servant
And to set us free from sin.
And that's who I believe he was,
'cause that's who I believe..."

From "Outlaw" by Larry Norman
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
In my opinion ... Jesus of Nazarus with out a doubt was the Messiah as described by the prophets of the Old Testament.
He fulfilled the prophesy that is written that he would.

This much I believe Christians and Islamics can agree upon.

To say more than this would be entering into the realm of interpretation and a denominational declaration of faith.
And everyone is entitled to their own.
How we feel about him is a private truth of our own belonging to each individual.
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errum fattahposted 15 years ago
well, wat the thing is getting in my sence that is
yea jesus was a human cuz he was borned from a lady made of bones like all other humans. look if jesus is God or son of God than he should must have any other miraclous powers except massiahai cuz God should have all powers but he was having only massiahai. well, dont guess that iam against of jesus i love him as much i love my mohommad(pbuh), i respect him as much i respect my mohommad(pbuh) and i can give my life to him as much i can do for my mohommad(pbuh). i just want to remove your misunderstanding.
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