The part at the front where it says who printed it...
"Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read 'To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitious and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental'. The page has been universally condemned by church leaders." ~~ Better than Life.
You ought to try to make everyone believe this story is true. I'm sure you could make it sound convincing. Just choose an older name and an older way of speaking in the dedication and we could have those Christians running in no time
You ought to try to make everyone believe this story is true. I'm sure you could make it sound convincing. Just choose an older name and an older way of speaking in the dedication and we could have those Christians running in no time
I love people's almost hostile line-in-the-sand attitudes about the Bible! Moby Dick is a novel BASED on a true story. Now ... if this were a religious text, people would POUNCE on it. LOOK AT THAT! It's BASED on a true story. Eh! So, pretend like we hate Melville, as many hate God. Let's hold Melville to the same standard, by asking the same question of Moby Dick. How do we know what parts are fact?
First off, surely one recognizes that even in our own lives, the lines between fact and something less than fact can blur. For instance, if you ever cheated in college, even once, is your diploma FACT? Some might say, no! Had you gotten caught, you would have been expelled! Had you not cheated, you wouldn't have passed! That you have the diploma is a fact, but that the diploma represents college "success" is not! And so on! But I digress.
Moby Dick. What is fact? We would have to do EXTENSIVE research independent of the book to try to figure out what the supposed real story is and then compare that to the book to try to figure out what parts of the book are accurate.
Again, you're the one who insists on FACTS! So, do you think the survivors of the true Moby Dick story varied any at all in their accounts and recollections of events? OF COURSE THEY DID! Even in something as simple as an auto accident, you might get 8 or 10 varying stories depending on if you're talking to driver 1 or driver 2 or passenger 1, 2, 3, or 4 or eyewitness 1, 2, 3, or 4 and so on. People are different! People see the same thing differently, depending on age, education, biases, impairments, points of view, etc.
So, what is FACT in a wreck account? What is FACT in the re-telling of any story?
The point is that ALL the accident witnesses would agree on KEY points ... like ... we crashed. Who caused it? Maybe no agreement. But we did crash! EVERYONE agrees on that! So, we would say THAT's a fact!
The same goes for Moby Dick. APPARENTLY a whale took aim on a boat. Everyone seems to agree on that. Why? Well ... there are theories.
So, the FACTS of the Bible are those points that EVERYONE who doesn't have a bias agrees on. Examples: God created every living thing. God is Lord. Jesus is the son of God. Jesus died for our sins, etc.
Now you think about it. IF Adam and Eve are NOT the first two people on earth then ... how does that change the key facts of the Bible? People get soooooooooooo caught up on little details. IF Jonah really lived inside a whale, that's a cool story. But the MESSAGE of the story is bigger than man hangs out in whale's belly. I mean ... seriously! By saying that couldn't happen, you've admitted that you deny one of the key facts of the Bible ... that God is ALL POWERFUL!
For saving Jonah in a whale's belly is small potatoes for an all-powerful God. Getting caught up on whether it actually happened mitigates the true points of the Bible.
FACT!
I once did a little research into Sodom and Gommorrah to see if it actually happened. I remember seeing some interesting aerial shots of the land they think they were in and there were really interesting remains that pointed to five towns having once been there but being nothing but dust now. It was really interesting. There's a youtube video for anyone interested to know more. I don't dissmiss anything as made up entirely ' there's truth in every story' - like dracula and vlad the impailer, or 'sirens' being nothing more than sealions...I don't like to dissmiss things just in case they turn out to be right....that's pretty much what I feel about christianity - sorry wrong wording - about jesus and God. I respect others beliefs though, and though I'm no Christian myself I wouldn't tell others not to be just because I didn't think it was wholly accurate.
The interesting thing about Sodom and Gommorrah was that they found these tiny little round balls of sulphur...odd because when do you ever find round balls of sulphur? The thing about the past is that it's already happened, no historical recollection is entirely accurate and, because it's already happened we will probably never know for sure.
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