What part of the Bible is a fact?

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Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago
So - what does happen to liars?

And that sort of passive aggressive attack is still an attack.

So rabbits do indeed not chew cud. We agree - the bible gets it wrong once again.

But - that is some great - nay, god inspired - excuses - as to why the bible is wrong and not to blame so even though it is wrong it is the word of god and right. Very good.

Now let's do the fire breathing dragons and the two dimensional circle.

Can I say LOLOLOL now?
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Guess you never bothered to read the articles, but I guess that's normal.
  
  What about replying to your two answered 'where's the proof' questions.... about the earth being a sphere in the bible, and 'dinosaurs'.... what is your take on that, it's written in the bible and Isaiah was telling us we live on a round world centuries before anybody scientific worked it out....
  
  and are fire breathing dragons not a good description of 'dinosaurs' who nobody has seen and were only named a short while ago... come on Mark admit it, these are valid replies that you chose to ignore because they could not be answered by LOLOLO and some stupid smiley.
  
  Still at least you put in less LOLOLOL inanities
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh no - I read what you sent me to. I just didn't buy it.
  
  And if you do not want people to laugh at your beliefs - You should not have such funny beliefs.
  
  Tell me about the dragons and the circles again, Daddy.
  
  Not recalling any fire breathing dinosaurs either........
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You were there were you Mark?
  
  Was any living scientist or evolutionist there to witness the 'dinosaurs' - get a life, we are dealing with scientists theories, which will change just like they always do, when the next scientist discovers yet more 'irrefutable' evidence about something.
  
  I'm so delighted that the word of God is the same today as it always has been, that God does not change His mind, and that God wins no matter what you spout on about.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mark Knowles said;
  
  "I read what you sent me to. I just didn't buy it."
  
  The first quote was from:
  
  McGraw Hill Higher Education....guess they would be unreliable!
  
  The second quote was from:
  
  University of Arizona; Wilson-Sanders, Susan, DVM, MS, Professor, VS/M Director, UAC
  
  She is obviously suspect, probably a closet Christian who spent her higher education years planting herself into a scientific community so that she could mislead you.
  
  No wonder you didn't buy it, gosh, there is no fooling you is there!
  
  The next quote was from:
  
  Janet Tast, D.V.M
  
  The DVM stands for Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, which is a recognised scientific practise I believe, but of course with your superior intellect you can see round that sort of subterfuge, she obvioulsly has no clue about animals, despite running a long term animal hospital in Wellesley MA...
  
  Give her a call and question her about her ignorance:
  
  781-237-0066
  314 Weston Rd
  Wellesley, MA 02482
  
  Our final co-conspirator is:
  
  Caryl Hilscher-Conklin
  
  Caryl has a B.S. in Zoology from Texas A&M University and an M.S. in Biologyfrom the University of Notre Dame.
  
  She currently works as a research assistant at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston.
  
  She's obviously unreliable also, you're so wise to not trust these scientists...
  
  The two quotes that you dislike and make your inanities against were:
  
  Isaiah 40- 18:23
  
  To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
  
  The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
  
  He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.
  
  Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
  
  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
  
  That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
  
  I think that establishes that God did clearly inform us through one of His prophets that the earth was round (or is a circle not round when it refutes evolution?) and He told us many hundred years before any scientist spurted out the idea.
  
  Indeed, if the bible were not truth, how did this man, who lived 750 years before Christ (yet prophesied his life and ministry with great detail) come to the conclusion that the earth was round?
  
  Your second matter of disbelief was concerning 'dinosaurs'
  
  History Of Discovery
  
  Dinosaur fossils have been known about for millennia, although their true nature was not recognized; the Chinese considered them to be dragon bones, while Europeans supposed them to be the remains of giants and other creature killed by the Great Flood. The first dinosaur species to be identified and named was Iguanodon, discovered in 1822 by the English geologist Gideon Mantell, who documented similarities between his fossils and the bones of new iguanas. Two years later, the Rev William Buckland, professor of geology at Oxford University, became the first person to explain a dinosaur in a scientific journal—in this case Megalosaurus bucklandii, found near Oxford. The study of these "great fossil lizards" became of great notice to European and American scientists, and in 1842 the English paleontologist Richard Owen coined the term "dinosaur". He recognized that the remains that had been found so far—Iguanodon, Megalosaurus and Hylaeosaurus—had a number of features in common, so decided to present them as a distinct taxonomic group. With the backing of Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, husband of Queen Victoria, Owen recognized the Natural History Museum in South Kensington, London, to display the national collection of dinosaur fossils and other biological and physical exhibits.
  
  Let us again let the other forum posters decide who is being deceptive here in their replies, who is prepared to do the research that proves their case, and present it for all to examine, and who hides behind inanities and silly smiley faces.
  
  I'm gonna sleep a while now, so you have about eight hours to think up anything more reliable than LOLOLO, Daddy and
  
  Try something grown up, like a structured argument refuting my points, or even better, an apology for being so lazy and incorrect.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  MK:
  
  You obviously missed reading this in your haste to be objectionable:
  
  "Now, we must also remember that artiodactyls were first defined as a separate order in 1847 by Richard Owen and the behavior of cecotropy was first recognized in 1882. Deuteronomy, however, was written approximately 1500 BC in an ancient Hebrew. It would be intellectually dishonest for someone to claim that a 3500 year old writing is contradictory because it doesn't match with a scientific classification invented only about a hundred years ago. Further, if the ancient Hebrews defined 'cud-chewing" as that process where half digested vegetation was re-chewed by an animal for easier re-digestion ( and that is a very specific and scientific definition), I would say the hare fits here fine. "
  
  But let's allow our reasonable readers to decide whether that was a valid answer to your 'plants' queries.
  
  Do you ever get identity confusion? - I guess it was you as you are replying to my response to someone else, who joined hubpages and structured a full and exhaustive list of bible queries in just two hours... he could have written a hub in that time!
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philip carey 61posted 15 years ago
What part is fact? It is the part that resonates in the fearful heart. It makes no sense to the mind, and even looks silly. But yet.... when crisis strikes....for me....it makes sense. It makes perfect sense. It is these moments that the heart connects with the heart that inspired these writings--nothing less than the heart of God.

It will not stand up to rational examination. It is replete with contradictions and things that are not rationally possible

But, the heart knows things the mind cannot fathom. It is not the literal content. It is the feeling that inspired the writing with which I connect. I believe it is pure, and true--and need not answer to mere rational examination.

That is my view.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
So I guess you believe Sir Richard Attenborough is the anti christ right?
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who are you addressing Ernest... me?
  
  No, I think Richard Attenborough is a sincere man, who has stated on the BBC that he does believe in God, but has some problems with the written account in Genesis.
  
  He is entitle to hold those views, as I am or you are, however Richard Attenborough does not spend his time trying to refute the bible or trying to tell Christians they are idiots and know nothing, he presents what he views as his case and leaves it to the public to decide. If the theory of evolution was so very strong, then people would accept it without the need to force feed it to our youth, and try to silence all discussion about Creation Theology.
  
  Atheists are just so scared of allowing open debate.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I for one do not fear open debate. Your nonsense dictates that I believe it or go to hell, that is not open debate!
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ernest, you don't believe, so why would the fact that the bible tells you (not me telling you note) that you will NOT spend eternity with God cause you any concern?
  
  If you are correct, you will know nothing because death will annihilate you and there will be nothing of consciousness to feel anything, if you are incorrect you will spend eternity separated (at your own request) from all those who chose to be with God, in a place specially reserved for you and all your fellow travellers.
  
  So what do you have to fear? - except maybe the fellow travellers who will be with you?
  
  Your logic must understand that by your own decisions you cannot lose, because obviously spending eternity with the likes of me would be hell for you, whereas spending eternity with Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, the whole SS, serial killers, paedophiles, murders, rapists, and all your chums who rejected God would be fine I guess, at least you would not have any pesky Christians shoving bibles down your throat!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You would say this in light of what religion has done to children? Laughable rubbish. Check the stats on child molesters and people who kill cos god told them to.What do you think the 40 odd religious wars in the world as we speak mean?
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Dinosaur fossils have been known about for millennia, although their true nature was not recognized; the Chinese considered them to be dragon bones, while Europeans ...
www.rareresource.com/history-of-discovery.htm

Is this where you got this from?
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, do you want me to find some more acceptable (to you) sources? or are you refuting that the Chinese considered them dragons?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is not of interest that they were considered dragons by the chinese. What is of interest is that Sir Richard was holding a 100 million year old Dinosaur bone on TV last night!
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And what exactly is the reliance of that age dating technique?
  
  Anyhow, so what, I can accept the Genesis account, because I am not trying to discredit the bible and frankly God and His word have been proven to me so many times that it is irrelevant whether we (Christians and Evolutionists) truly understand what is written in Genesis.
  
  I will know soon enough what happened if I want to know, when I get home, why fuss about it now.
  
  WE run a Christian School, and we teach evolution, (as per the syllabus) but being 'narrow minded' Christians we also teach Creation, and then we let the children decide,because most of their parents are not Christians (they just recognise we teach well) and in any case, if any of the children are to serve God, He will send His Holy Spirit to approach them, we are just custodians of His word and His children.
  
  Those who grow up to be atheists, will at least be atheists who cannot in good consciousness call Christians stupid and narrow minded, hopefully our example will deal with that sort of ignorance.
  
  Those who chose to serve Christ, will do it with a clear choice of their own.
  
  I hate 'scalp hunting' evangelists as much as you do.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ...and another thing, who are you to say; "It is not of interest that they were considered dragons by the chinese" and expect that this settles the matter?
  
  What gives you the right to refute without evidence?
  
  How about this verse from the bible... what is being decribed here?
  
  "Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God..."(Job 40:15-19)
  
  Was that just creative writing or did the 'author' have additional inspiration from somewhere?
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and BTW, Job was written at least 3,000 years ago, so it's not a recent addition to answer you sceptics! - God just knew you would raise the question.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are kidding right?
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not in the least... why?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I asked a question, you gave your answer. Thank you for your input. Why? Is only relevant to me.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Knowing the bible he may have been describing a large rabbit.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As you know the bible also, do you think that to be the case, or are you just lost as to find any way to refute what is said?
  
  ....and is the sarcasm needed?
  
  I'm off to bed as no serious debate is forthcoming, so you guys can talk amongst yourselves, 'cos I'm out of here for the next six hours.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Sleep well!
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Ernest, I will...
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
they don't know how to express themselves in their own words.
Maybe because they don't have any opinion.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe, although - when you consider the "point" she was "making" - it is pretty ironic.
  
  But - they all do it. Instead of putting something of their own - they cut and paste great swathes of text stolen from elsewhere.
  
  And yes - it is stealing if you do not accredit the source.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, this is a very strange 'opinion'
  
  This type of presentation of information is one of the tests God built into the Scriptures to frustrate those who don't truly want to obey Him. God tells us how we must approach our study of the Scriptures: "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little" (Isa. 28:10, 13).
  
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually it may just surprise you to know that Christian sites mostly encourage taking info from them, you see they ain't selling anything so why bother with copyright? - but I do agree that putting a source url is a good idea, I'll do it when we next need to answer inane challenges taken from some atheist resource site and designed just to waste time for serious believers
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't you people have any opinion of your own, that you need to copy and paste everything from the Bible or other 'holy' books ? ?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOL
  
  They ain't selling anything?
  
  That is the funniest thing you have said.
  
  But - yes - I know this is encouraged - especially when arguing with non believers. Much easier than thinking for yourselves and much of the reason I am against religion.
  
  Sadly - Once again - you are lying. The website in question states this on all their pages:
  
  "©2009 Here a little, there a little. All Rights Reserved."
  
  Stealing.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
deary me
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what's up ?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did you miss me?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A LOT !
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
I fail to see any answers. I see cherry picked and regurgitated bible quotes.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  With your spiritual eyes shut up tight to make sure light cannot enter.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jokes on you buddy.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your arrogance is blocking the light...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It looks pretty dark in here !
  Must be aguasilver blocking !
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes of course it's he who is arrogant
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that sarcasm?
  
  You crack me up.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
hey sugar
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
I just scratched myself
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm still looking for Deborah Sexton' reply.
  but it's too dark in here !
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm waiting for a reply from the webmaster, but hey of course it's dark in there, your eyes are closed....
  
  Go take a look (may have to open your eyes) at this site, it's fun to experiment, go try it:
  
  http://www.randommutation.com/index.php
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  a reply from the webmaster?
  
  Regarding what exactly? You insulting my spiritual worthiness?
  
  Nice.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, sorry BC that was a mite uncalled for.
  
  Please forgive me, quick fingers....
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have some integrity man, I was taking the piss.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY I'M NO EVOLUTIONIST ?
  
  I don't believe in anything that looks as a belief!
  Is that so difficult to understand?
  so don't link me to stupid sites, thank you !
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK fine, serious question (as in no points scoring or traps)
  
  If you don't believe in anything, have you never been interested in how all this happens?
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Got to go hoover my pool, back in a bit!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why should I ?
  I don't have another choice more than living this life.
  So I enjoy it until the day I die.
  then I suppose I will know all the answers.
  why should I begin to try to find an answer to all the questions now ?
  what a waste of time!
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
my spiritual eyes are wide open and you calling me blind is highly offensive to my faith.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
@agua
you asked a question.
I answered
Now.
What's your opinion ?
No Bible quotes please.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No quotes.... is that possible?
  
  My opinion of your opinion or my opinion? well bnever mind, I'll answer both!
  
  My opinion of your opinion.... it's sweet and uncomplicated and you must have a fun life living that way, no concern for anything, hmmm sounds like I used to live a long while ago.
  
  If there is nothing, well you have taken the best course to enjoy your time here.
  
  If there is something else, well it depends I guess upon what that something else is, and how it views humans and their actions.
  
  According to the bible strictly interpreted... your stuffed!
  
  If I were on the gate, you'd be OK, but that's why they'd never let me wait on gate!
  
  My opinion... I've always questioned everything since I was about 11 years old, can't see that changing now at 58, the only time I 'turned off' was when I 'turned on' for about seven years... when I stopped being stoned I started thinking again.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
still looking for answers ?

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tantrumposted 15 years ago
@ I have questioned everything when I was young, until I found out it was useless.
I have never been stoned ,so I can't comment on your experience.
Saying that if God exists I'm' stuffed'... that made me laugh !
can't care less, really !
I'm sure I won't have to wait outside any gate when I die.
are there going to be gates ??

I like you, aguasilver. You make me laugh !
In a good way. Don't get offended
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't, it's hard to offend me, but very easy to wind me up!
  
  MK winds me up, I must stop reacting to him, it's an alpha male thing I think, and neither of us are used to other alpha males in the same patch!
  
  Gotta stop cocking my leg in the corners to mark territory, it's bad form and besides which, it's probably against the forum rules!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Take care!
  Believing as you believe....
  
  EXTREME !
  
  One of my favourite words .
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
snore...
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh !
  that awful sound was you !
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awareposted 15 years ago
the page count. thats factual
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
First of all, I was replying to a post made by someone who had copied bits and pieces of stuff throughout the internet. The difference is that he added his own words here and there, making it his own. Why didn't you attack him?
I never claimed anything as mine.I also did not add my own words here and there to make it look like mine. I kept it as a whole. I used that material because there is no way you or I could have figured out the time line. I forgot to post the link. However since it is one of the first websites to come up, I wasn't trying to hide anything or make anyone think it was mine.
The person who wrote this is much smarter then any of us.

For the Cherry picker remark..If you had read it you would have known it wasn't scripture it was a time line I was showing. However since you know everything, including me, so well why would you need to read it??

For Tantrum or whatever your name is...I'm not interested in you waiting for my answer..Do you ever contribute anything? Nope
Just a harasser with nothing else to do. Since you have so much time on your hands, you wouldn't feel so empty if you seek truth.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nonsense.
  
  You deleted the last load of text you had stolen and made the same argument. Still - what are you hoping to achieve by stealing other people's words and posting them as your own?
  
  You had no right to copy and paste that text - it is not yours.
  
  You copied the entire page and did not add a link to it.
  
  And it really is rather entertaining that the text you took was making an argument that christians do not do enough research and merely use whatever is convenient.
  
  Which I agree with - they no more understand their book than you do.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  First of all I am not associated with the Christian religion. However I do believe in the Absolute.
  The universe is orderly and could not have evolved un-mutated if their was not a creating force. I believe in Science, evolution and creation. I believe The Absolute created us and stopped creating, then we began to evolve. I believe the word you meant was "know" not "no".
  Is this your only ammunition in your attack.?
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is incorrect, the universe is not "orderly."
  
  Science and evolution do not acknowledge creation. You appear to believe in cross purposes, too. And, one usually has an understanding of sceince and evolution, not a belief.
  
  There is no evidence to suggest creation, yet plenty of evidence the universe came about on its own.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The universe IS orderly..Everything runs in cycles, everything. Everything creates from it's own seed or it's own self.
  
  All things fit together.
  Read my article
  http://www.ehow.com/how_5277941_predict … mbers.html
  
  Yes people are out of order and destroying everything.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but that's mere wishful thinking on your part not based in reality or fact.
  
  So, a round peg fits into a square hole? Nonsense.
  
  People can educate themselves rather than remaining ignorant. If believers have been controlling the world for centuries, we can blame their god given guidance for our current state of affairs.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where is the evidence that 0+0=1?
  The universis is orderly and fined tuned.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No the last time I used my husband's work. He allows me to.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
The truth is:
I can't care less what you think of me.

And about if I have a lot of time to spare. It seems I'm lucky !

So I don't contribute ?
Why's that ?
Sure I don't have anything to contribute to you !
Other hubbers think different.
Hubbers I take in consideration.
Not you, of course.
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awareposted 15 years ago
whos fighting?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aren't you aware ?
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
Hi Mark. How are you doing?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Better. Now my tooth ache is taken care of.
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
Cool, so now you can bite full force again, right?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are these Bible facts ?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  At least they are facts LOL. Did I tell you I am loving your new avatar?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  thanks!
  I'm waiting for Mrs. Sexton's reply. but it seems she thinks I'm a nobody, so I'm waiting in vain.
  Bye guys !
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not quite there yet unfortunately - that will be another 3-4 trips, two more removals and E15 k.
  
  At least I am not in agony though...
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I can relate...
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
Mark I've been doing some research on your hubs. Seems you've done some copying and pasting too. Only you've put some of your own words around some, and some of your words and other peoples around others and made it seem like yours. I'll be pasting some links to that Verbatim stuff here shortly. I took screen shots too.
At this time I'm bored and I'm going to watch some TV
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please do.
  
  Looking forward to it.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I find this hard to believe, Mark wouldn't copy and paste...right?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No - he wouldn't. But feel free to go through all my hubs and check.
  
  I assume you will not be bothered by a few long words?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I doubt you can spell a long word that would bother me, I doubt you can spell a short word!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Any time.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is so much to post. Give me time
  I have a husband, family, friends, hobbies, house cleaning etc.
  I don't have much time to think about you. I promise I will post here asap.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. Piss or get off the pot.
  
  I like to have allegations that I am a thief cleared up or the person making the allegations apologize ASAP.
  
  I know it is OK that you steal because you are stealing for god, but either post as you said or take it back - thief.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A while back you accused me of stealing, although it was from my husbands lectures and you never apologized and I'm sure not going to apologize to you. i will post asap. Don't rush me, I have plenty.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Deary me.
  Well - I must admit - you have reinforced my opinions of people who think they are bringing a message from god.
  
  I have no intention of apologizing to you because you are a thief. You stole this text:
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/27132?page=22
  
  From here:
  
  http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/ … s-in-Egypt
  
  And tried to pass it off as your own writing.
  
  Any time you wish to prove your claim against me - be my guest.
  
  Of course I do not expect you to apologize. You are a believer in god - therefore have no respect for other people.
  
  God would be very proud. I bet your "husband" is also.
  
  Edit - I have just decided to look at a few of your hubs and discovered they are all copied word for word with a few words added to try and disguise that fact. The three I looked at were copied from here:
  
  http://tarot-card-reading.suite101.com/ … tarot_work
  http://www.mypastlife.com/lesson2-whatdoes.html
  
  http://www.firehow.com/200912035333/how … ction.html
  
  I have flagged them for review.
  
  I write professionally. I hate it when people steal my work and pass it off as their own. I hate it when other people get their work stolen.
  
  You are a plagiarist and a theif - and you are on a writer's site.
  
  I think you may not be made welcome by many of the writers here who are trying to make a living doing this.
  
  ciao
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You did notice the name right? Mine! On my profile you'll see where I state that I write on many websites and give the names of a few of them. and I have my own website.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks because among other things, I get paid for each of my article views. You can find my articles on Bukisa and Ehow too oh and also Google Blogger, Igoogle etc
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK to start with
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/richarddawkins
  
  The cached link
  http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:jOf … &gl=us
  
  Parts of your paragraph came from here word for word
  
  www.dailymorality.com/atheism.htm
  
  The cached link
  http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:MoV … &gl=us
  
  To compare the two side by side, word for word go here
  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& … gle+Search
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Replying to this so it doesn't get lost from Mark.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOL]
  
  That is what the quotation marks around that small portion of text mean. LOLOL
  
  "Quoted" from somewhere else.
  
  LOLOLO
  
  15 words quoted out of 700? That the best you can can do?
  
  LOLOL
  
  Does that mean it is OK for you to steal an entire web page now?
  
  Looking forward to the next one.
  
  Thief.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is word for word none the less. small or big, stealing is stealing. You say you hate stealing. When I post a universal truth like about the tarot cards, you said it was stealing. Quoting is always in '' but yours is in and around your other words making it appear it is yours. And you didn't say where it came from...What you're saying is, it's OK for you. There will be more.
  Continue calling me a thief..I've reported it once.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOLOL
  
  No - there is a big difference between the two - and you prefer not to see that to justify your theft of an entire webpage which you posted as your own.
  
  I took a small piece of text and added quotation marks to show it was not mine. The quotation by the way is in the public domain and was written bu an unknown author.
  
  "Absolute truth implies that truth cannot be subject to one's own mind, but is rather established by an absolute and common Creator, therefore proving God's existence. If there is no absolute truth, it cannot be absolutely held true that God does not exist." unknown
  
  You are a thief.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh deary indeed, to think I could be so naive... Deborah! Tell me it isn't true. You are a professional writer...aren't you? Help me restore some faith Deborah, please.
  
  On another note, it is not stealing to quote another author, whether in the public domain or not.
  
  As to displaying an entire site as your own, that is theft. Whether or not you have permission. How do any of us know it is your husbands work? How do we know Deborah? I thought we could have been friends but now I see you are not only falsely presenting yourself as a professional author but also a fraud. You have admitted the fact. Whether it is your husband or not. It is false representation and it violates more than one or two laws. It may not be theft in one sense but it is theft none the less, you have stolen my innocence if nothing else Deborah. I just don't know what to do now. What ever will I do... Here I was thinking you were just ignoring me because you were a big shot pro. Come on Deb, please help me.
  
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Show me where I have ever said I was a pro. And when I said it was my husband's work, I wasn't speaking of this. And the place where I used another's writing to show a complicated time line, someone permalinked it so it could not be edited.
  I don't care what you think of me. Professional writer's are real authors. However you can find my writing on www.articlecity.com, www.ehow.com, www.firehow.com, www.bukisa.com, www.googlegroups.com, and many more.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
Nobody believes you're a thief.
you'll have to wait
She went to fetch the spade to dig her own grave.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  For once could you M.Y.O.B. and stay out of mine?
  Thanks
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you post in a forum is everyone's business!.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
Be sure she's not welcome by me !
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
Oh and go to articlecity.com and on the left about half way you'll find a search..search by author's name -Deborah Sexton you'll find 15 of my articles. And you'll see in the Author's information at the bottom of each article that I allow others to use my articles for content so you'll find them on many websites.

Here on my Hubpage profile you'll see I don't use my real name, after all, it's the internet. I use my first name and the last names of three of my sisters. I am also known as Debe, Debi, Debby.
I am on Facebook.
On Twitter, Diggs, Delicious I am India 63

Jokes on you.

Hello Mark, this is Deborah's husband Yehuda
Yes, I am very proud of my beautiful wife.
I would suggest that you don't attack or defame her. She explained she copied that one part because of the complexity of the integration of the time periods. She also explained she forgot to put the link to the website. I don't see where she claimed it as hers. I've closely watched your personal attack on her and have written to hubpages about it. I have also written to the person who did all the integral work on the time periods.
Thank you,
Yehuda
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOL
  
  So - calling me a thief and saying I plagiarize others work when I do not is OK?
  
  But - very well done on attacking me when you are the one at fault. Excellent work.
  
  And stealing other people's work and pasting it here as here own is also OK?
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/27132?page=22
  http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/ … s-in-Egypt
  
  Guess you did not read the hubpages TOS either:
  
  http://hubpages.com/faq/#duplicate_content
  
  You must be very proud of her, Yehuda.
  
  Bet you have a personal relationship with god huh?
  
  Now let us talk about you accusing me of stealing.
  
  Apologize or put links to the work you claim I have stolen.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Duplicate content is fine you just don't get paid for them. I'm here to give, not just to make money.
  I posted the article here before I posted it on Firehow.
  
  But you were wrong, you said I stole my own articles. You are very nasty and don't appear to be an adult. I've explained the other post I made so that's it. I was wrong not to remember to post the link. I was in a hurry to get the info here.
  When I came back someone had made it so I couldn't edit it. so I couldn't have credited it or deleted it if I had tried.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought he was an angry teen too.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No - I originally said you had posted stolen work and claimed it as your own in the forum.
  
  You say you forgot to put a link? OK - Fine. Does not change the fact that you did not have permission to use that. Even if your husband does manage to get retroactive permission.
  
  You say that you wrote all those other articles under another name? OK - Fine.
  
  You also said this:
  
  Back it up (which you will not be able to do) or apologize.
  
  Thank you.
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Hugh Williamsonposted 15 years ago
22.6%

That's my estimate or answer to the title question for this forum subject.

The posts here have ran the gamut from accusations of plagerism to middle eastern history to atheism to cosmology etc, etc. It made great reading but it didn't always address the question. (Not that I have the answer to it either). I have studied the subject with a biblical scholar and author and this changed many of my biblical opinions. Here's my take, for whatever it's worth.

The bible has obvious errors and contradictions and if a perfect being wrote it, or dictated it, these errors wouldn't be there. It does contain some historical facts but it has been heavily edited by the church and - bear in mind - it was compiled at the behest of Constantine, who wasn't even a christian at the time.

The bible isn't a history book or a "how to" book. It can be inspirational. It contains some great literature and poetry and it preserves ancient Jewish lore that would otherwise be lost.

Lets get real...whatever your opinion is of the bible, you can't prove it to the satisfaction of those who disagree. Like many things, it comes down to your personal beliefs. If you have confidence in those beliefs then there is no need to attack those who think differently. "Judge not...?"

OK, let's hear it. Set your phasers on "stun."
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where are these contradiction you speak of? Please point out 1 in context historical and biblical.
  
  I write for misinformed people like yourself who continue to perpetuate this convoluted defamation of God's Word.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rssTt9aavuM
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Answers-for-tho … ont-get-it
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Can-You-Handle- … uth-of-God
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The main contradiction is that it contradicts logic. I'm sorry you do not understand logic.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Science and evolution say they THINK we came from the sea. Going from a tiny thing to what we are today. But why did we stop evolving. By now we should be great giants. The reason? is because we were created, then evolved but we all die
  Why is that?
  Explain
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We have not stopped evolving.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus Christ!
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  According to your gods, yes you have.
  
  http://www.nowpublic.com/health/human-e … -scientist
  
  http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the … 000-years-
  
  Why because there's no proof it ever started.(molecule to man)
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And you prolly think black people came from the devil too.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ? I'm no mormon. There is only one race human race. There are different cultures and people groups. Evolutionary thinking causes racism.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Racism is those people who separate out others from the group collective and point out racial inferiority of those individuals.
  
  Evolution doesn't cause or promote racism.
  
  People do.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How exactly would you explain evolution as a cause for racism?
  
  We all originate from Africa anyway.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or so says the racist evolutionary agenda
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey BC, would you mind posting to the right person.
  
  You're making things difficult and not easier.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sorry friend
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You pulled me into your post? Why?
  
  I didn't say that evolution is a cause for racism. I said it has nothing to do with it.
  
  People do
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  apologies.
  
  i will correct that.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Really? What did Hitler say? Jews weren't evolved enough. The Australian Aborigines were hunted and killed and had their skulls put on the display as proof of evolution. The slave trade wouldn’t have worked so well if they hadn’t convince people the blacks were apes and weren’t really human. So to say evolutionary thinking doesn’t cause racism is a lie.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you seriously trying to pawn off the most infamous christian as an evolutionist?
  
  Nothing about his thinking was evolutionary and you don't understand it because you are too trapped in believing that evolution is the devil or something.
  
  If Hitler had any understanding (and you for that matter) of evolution then you both would know that genocide is not a product of evolution but is a product of religions. In his case, he hated Jews and he was a Christian.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Christ was murdered by the Jews.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So then you possess the same reasoning as Hitler.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I choose not to defend against that statement.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow you really don't know do you? Hitler used Eugenics labs to breed a perfect race free of God, He killed Jews and Christians and burned copies of the bible.
  Hitler used Christians sounding words to gain a following and he thought he was doing the world a favor by killing Jews and Christians to breed a super race of white gods.
  "We will wash off the Christian veneer and bring out a religion peculiar to our race."
  
  http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Hitler_and_evolution
  
  http://www.icr.org/article/285/
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And I am telling you that eugenics is not an evolutionary process.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Define evolution! Eugenics is a form of Natural Selection
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have no complaints about the bible burning.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance
  with the will of the Almighty Creator."
  [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]
  
  "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without
  the practical existence of a religious belief."
  [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]
  
  "What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence
  of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill
  the mission assigned to it by the Creator."
  [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]
  
  "And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his
  estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary,
  He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God."
  [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]
  
  "It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god."
  [Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 2]
  
  "....the personification of the devil as the symbol
  of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew."
  [Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Chapter 11,
  precisely echoing Martin Luther's teachings]
  
  "Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable
  stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin
  the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it."
  [Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 2 Chapter 1]
  
  "The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine."
  [Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" Vol. 1 Chapter 12]
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  We will wash off the Christian veneer and bring out a religion peculiar to our race."
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So, Hitlers own words on the subject don't mean anything to you?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The point of all this? Hitler was mad, we all know that.
  
  Why don't you try defending the bible?
  
  How about all the orders from your god - to murder in his name
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean religious.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. We- the Human race- have not stopped evolving.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shouldn't evolution start first.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is only arrogance that "we are supreme" gives them this idea. Evolution takes millions of years. We have only been self aware for about 30,000.
  
  As far as we know - we are the only species that has become completely sentient (although there is an argument on favor of dolphins and gorillas). It is a slow process - but who knows how much that will speed up as we increase the heat and radiation?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  timegod worship! Classic
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that the best you can do?
  
  Timegod worship!
  
  How about not worshipping anything but LIFE in and of itself?
  
  Ever think of that.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. Our next step of evolution is in the 'way' we think.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh brother!
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I sometimes wonder how sentient some of us monkeys really are.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No argument. We need to ditch the baggage that the religionists give us first.
  
  That will not be easy to root out - it is ingrained.
  
  We are not supreme. We were not "created" we have not finished evolving. We can be better than this, but we are stuck with religionism, nationalism etc and basically - This is:
  
  Tribal thinking.
  
  Not good - the sooner we can ditch this, the sooner we can work together instead of against each other.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hitler said the same thing!
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You keep coming out with the "junk" words. Hilter said the same thing.
  
  I'm sure alot of things can be connected to Hilter's running of the mouth.
  
  But, does that mean we're to keep connecting it to Hilter, just because he was an evil people, even without Evolution thoughts in his head.
  
  Again, you're sad, just like all the rest of the religious fanatics.....
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Deborah, can I find any of your work in print? I too am interested in professional writing, thought maybe I could tuck in after I switch off the PC and school up on a real author. Could you please provide me with an ISBN so I can order some material online.
  
  Thanks in advance.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I believe you are asking the wrong person. Did you mean to direct it to "thetruthhurts2009"
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps I was asking the wrong person. You are a professional author or not?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How many times do I have to reply to you and where did I say I am professional
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Valerie Fposted 15 years ago
Actually, the Bible was not compiled at Constantine's behest. Constantine called the Council of Nicea after he became a Christian. However, he only observed the Council and had no say. Also, the Council of Nicea did not address Biblical Canon, but problems especially regarding the Arian heresy. St. Athanasius proved that the Biblical Canon currently used by the Catholic Church was in use by 367. This canon was approved not by Constantine, but by Pope St. Damascus in 382.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What?
  I don't use the English Christian Bible.
  I am not associated with the Christian religion.
  Just because someone believes in the Absolute doesn't mean you can call us Christians.
  
  Most Christians have shown that they can not interpret the Bible and they refuse to read anything else. They also refuse to read the Hebrew text. Semantics matter.
  I am not denying Christ. It's just I don't feel he taught what the Christians say. They say he brought salvation, if asked how they say he died. ask why, they say for salvation. It's a circle. They can't tell you the details of what he came to do, yet feel they alone hold the truth.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus died for our sins.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus died NOT for our sins, but died because he refused to teach 'religion', or the religious teachings of that time.
  
  He wasn't killed for our sins. Except for, religious leaders saw that he threatened their power and control.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's only half true, Jesus scorned those you chose tradition over His truth, but everything he went through was predicted before he even came to earth.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's not half truth. That's ALL truth!
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But you've stated before there is no absolute truth, so which is it?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What I said was truth.
  
  What you were saying is by what you learned in the bible which isn't truth, it's a lie.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's a lie to you becase you can't handle the truth.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can handle the truth, because I LEARNED the truth, by the proper execution of religious doctrined tested and self-realized that they don't how truth or value. Each doctrine held by religion is unachievable by any human being and would result in the death of every person, providing they studied it intently.
  
  So, please..........I know the truth.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No you don't.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats all you got? Are we still debating here?
  
  Looks like the mob left...
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, okay, so now you're telling me that my experience of testing the religious doctrine is wrong.
  
  WOW! Boy are you screwed up.
  
  Have a nice life.
  
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep because you still didn't learn anything, all that "logic" lead you to 0+0=1 and that illogical, so yea you're wrong
  
  http://www.questiondarwin.com/fraud.html
  
  http://www.trueorigin.org/isakrbtl.asp
  
  http://scienceray.com/earth-sciences/pa … evolution/
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  its over.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I mean no disrespect but if you want to argue that religion is somehow able to be proven logical, moral or a historically correct tradition in its current manifestation, here might not be the place. Clearly there is too much wisdom and tiredness for untruth for these sort of harmful myths to be spread around.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I agree but there's more. If you could see the whole of it you would be in awe.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How can you agree?
  
  What Jesus was murdered for? Isn't a matter of being fact. It's subjective to interpretation.
  
  The true facts are in who had him execute and the events leading up to it, which are NOT in the bible or out of context in the bible.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll agree with this statement. Even, those who read the bible do not properly interpret what they are reading.
  
  Jesus' work was not religion or even religious. He was against the teachings of the religious leaders of his time or at that time.
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What does that have to do with what I posted?
  
  And what's this load of manure about Christians "refusing" to read Hebrew? Ever tried to learn a new language with a completely different alphabet that's read in the opposite direction you're used to?
  
  And what about Aramaic or Biblical Koine? So is anyone who doesn't learn any of those languages "refusing" to read? And I happen to know many Christians who do know why Christ's death and resurrection were necessary. In fact, statements regarding how and why are integral parts of Catholic liturgy.
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Deborah Sextonposted 15 years ago
Yes still evolving, however not at leaps and bounds.
We evolve through the mind. The prehistoric man grew in his mind. His stem cells are what makes him grow, programed by his mind. The brain/cranium in prehistoric man always changed first.
I happen to be an R.N. and I work for a major hospital in Florida.
I still know we were created.
You're reading the wrong scripture or you are reading it incorrectly.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now you are contradicting yourself, because you just said we had stopped evolving:
  
  You do not know that we were "created' - your personal opinion to fit your beliefs is that there MUST have been a creator.
  
  Now - are we still evolving or not?
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Your god.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
I will say this, I like Jews about as much as I like Christians. Appropriate my opinion at your will, not that you need or care for my permission to do whatever you like.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Scorn me and spurn your religious tradition.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
bible quotes above have referenced with the help of evilbible.com
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

http://www.evilbible.com
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

http://www.evilbible.com
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
explain all this away or prove me the heretic and a racist if your vanity and pride spoils your good reason.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

http://www.evilbible.com
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
come on people? What? Do I smell funny?

Give me something!

Does the truth hurt?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The truth does hurt those who live their life by mystical faith.
  
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm still waiting on those facts!
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your bible. Not mine. Cop it sweet.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again, you are posting to the wrong person. I don't have to provide you facts, just like you can't provide facts to what you say is true.
  
  The bible isn't FACT - it's a lie dressed up and purported as truth.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  prove it
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have to. I'm not the one claiming "B.S. lies" about a book in reality has been defunked or debunked since the 70's.
  
  I live in reality....you want to bring "GOD" into reality- it is on YOU to provide PROOF.
  
  Not me. I already know "GOD" doesn't exist and self-realized it a while back.
  
  The argument isn't to prove he doesn't exist. The TRUE argument is that "it", or "he", or "him" or "GOD", does not exist and if you want to bring into reality....
  
  Then YOU must prove it to be true and you can't.
  
  Have a nice life.
  
  You are useless, because you fight from a defensive position and have no grounds, but to purport lies.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fact: religions breed hate, religions kill, religions divide and separate, religions give you the illusion that you are superior not only to all the creatures on Earth but also to those who are not within the same religious group. Religions are the downfall of humanity. Religions create ignorance out of faith.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yup.
  And he wants proof that the bible is not the word of god?
  
  It colors our secular thinking as well.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fact
  
  50 million killed by Joseph Stalin
  
  11 million killed by Adolf Hitler who used evolution to justify his killings
  
  2 million killed by Pol Pot
  
  40 million killed by Moa
  
  Plus the millions of other Christians martyred and persecuted annually
  
  All of the above used evolutionary thinking to “cleanse” the human race and thought removing God would speed up evolution and solve the worlds problems(sound familiar), but does it ever work? No, and it never will, because sin is the problem, and God is the solution.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats all well and good but what about all the other 100's of years
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The same arguments come up time and time again, they will still be wrong, forever and forever and we are all one day dead and buried or burnt and peacefully not alive.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How about this, got the stats on death for say, I dunno, 2000 BC to 1900 AD ? No?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Never really understood the "Mao killed some people - therefor it is OK that Christianity did," argument.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't beat yourself up over that one
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  To be fair I’ll list some of the things I always get:
  
  The Crusades- 300,000 killed
  
  The Salem Witches Trials- 18 killed
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Keep reading...
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There really is no comparison.
  I stated the another side of the coin to be fair I know about problems with religion, but you hardly ever hear about the other side and I suspect that if I hadn't responded you wouldn't have volunteered the info.
  
  I'm sorry your ridiculously strong faith in atheism has been misplaced, but if you want to challenge anyone’s faith start at home.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Back at ya buddy, welcome to reality... open the door if you like, we welcome newcomers.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's it! Oh man, you gotta do better than that!
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Stop, your killing me!!!
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  bring the cow back.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You don't like my man nipples?
  
  I am wearing a crucifix, you might notice if you look closely. I use it for baiting religionists out there in the street. Some might call me a missionary.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that your wife?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, I kicked her out 6 months ago.
  
  Was there a punchline in there or are you just being daft?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I was going to say I think we can fix all your problems. If thats your wife then she's not a she, she's a he! I be mad at the Bible too if that was my wife.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're a worry...
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yet you believe that in the end, the slaughtering of the entire population done in the name of Christ is good because you get revenge. Nice!!!
  
  You believe you will be laughing on a cloud at people burning in hell in agony, while they cry out "I still hate your fu**king god."
  
  Then you think, they must be refined and come to the one who has burned them alive with no death in their sites and all they have to do is come to the side that laughs with the glory of your god who burns people forever and ever.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Sandra, Nuclear weapons are not made from rocks and poppy seeds, in case you didn't know!
  
  Mark, hows that edumacation coming along?
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow you are brilliant! How is your education coming along? Busy figuring out gods will, yes?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God does not figure predominately in my life, neither do imagined holy wars or Afghanistan nuking the US. I guess if I were seeking facts I wouldn't come to you.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your right, that came right out of the mouth of Obama himself who justified the war as a religious one. Nice, really nice.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, don't much care what came out of his mouth, I am specifically talking to you! Nuclear weapons are not made of rocks and poppy seeds!
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you feel better about knowing that. I am happy you know that nuclear weapons are not made from rocks and poppy seeds.
  
  So what is your point?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My point is that you are not a source of facts! You and Mark spend a lot of time trying to debunk other peoples beliefs while spreading your own brand of hysteria. In other words, you are no better and no worse than those you criticize!
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well at least I don't do it with weapons in hand. Besides, tell me one thing.
  
  You said that nuclear weapons don't come from poppy seed or rocks. Tell me where their weapons come from.
  
  I also think that even though I don't believe in this god that the people who do will stop at nothing to make it true. It doesn't have to happen but so many believe that it does.
  
  Closing your eyes and ignoring it wont make it go away or stop.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No,I think I will let you live in your conspiracy theories in peace!
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Am I supposed to thank you? Hopefully they are just conspiracy theories. But religions are the real deal with or without this god.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who's entire population did the Christians kill now?
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The entire population according to your religion. Oh, oops I mean except for the 'true christians'. lol
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats not what I believe. I don't believe in the "fire and brimstone" vs Heaven, I believe we all go but to different levels of Heaven. If you're in the nose bleed section well you probably should have been more reverent but, it's your choice.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How many levels are there sneako? Sounds very technical.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Three.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that all? You just lost a customer.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  C'mon heaven will be better with you!
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah but whats in it for me?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have Oreos!
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just curious, but aren't you the one who thinks Afghanistan is going to Nuke the US?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  At least they won't knock on our doors and try to save us.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
It works for those people. Who are you to say they're wrong if they are content?
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
Wow. What a party killer huh?

Damn shame that.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
Nice doin business with your Cagsil
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you leaving?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. But the current mission has been accomplished. Just thought we should make note of that.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
If you are interested to know of a real higher power, try this link:

http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/main.html

Its a little doosy called logic.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
mission: critical, http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/main.html

Do yourself a favour or thetruthwillhurt2010
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Okay, so, Religion kills, Logic kills, people kill. Hmmm,....
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
First stop might be 99% of the war history section at any library, any city.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
deborah, are you going to give me some ISBNs? No?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You didn't see my reply?
  
  I am not sure you were replying to me. I think someone wrote something and you thought it was me.
  I am also not sure what ISBN means. Explain it to me and maybe I can help.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
I rarely if ever will ask anyone to prove anything to me because I have faith. Don't patronise me because your tune is meaningless to me.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
I gave you at least half hour of my infinite wisdom now what do you want? dessert? Go bother someone else.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I got nothing but a repeated link, not your own thoughts. I'll gladly leave you alone! moo
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A repeated link referencing the bible in all its murderous glory????
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh man, Can you say Nero?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Can you say old testament?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, What about it? The OT shows God doesn't tolerate sin. Try reading every instances you stated in context. He only commands the death of guilty people(pagans, rapist, murderous, idolaters etc.) But in his grace he gives warning and a chance to repent beforehand and those people like yourself ignore and mock. It’s not God you have a problem with it’s His form of justice and believe or not His form of justice is the only one that matters.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Bored. You lost my interest by the second line.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No surprise here, have a good day!
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Steak and eggs sounds good right about now....
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
deborah, isbns?
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