I have been saved!

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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
I was so ignorant before. I thought I knew it all. I finally lost my arrogance and humbled myself and asked for forgiveness through Christ! He answered! I have been saved!
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  Rik Ravadoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is great - I am happy for you.
  
  (I couldn't understand what lyricsingray meant either!)
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You!
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  Rick Marlowposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think I smell a rat.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Bless you
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Pr0metheusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God bless you.
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  Pr0metheusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  May God show mercy when judging this one....
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hallelujah! Now behave yourself
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I will! I am now at peace through faith in Jesus!
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can you please clarify what you are looking for in this forum as I am confused. Stating your miracles leaves no room for conversation, in my eyes. I congratulate you on your success but cannot help wondering if it's attention or converts you seek, respectfully.
  
  Could you please clarify, given forums are for group activity, what you would like us to discus?
  
  Thank you ever so kindly
  
  Kimberly
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would simply like everyone to know that anything is possible through faith in Jesus!
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How does that involve other people. You opened a forum, why the need to state this on an Internet?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In hopes of saving you.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ahh, the codependence of needing everyone else to agree.
  I do not in any way minimize or mock your experience, marine, but the only person you can save is you. It's a mutual contract between you and God. All others are responsible for themselves. Hope of saving others is not reality. Everyone must develop their own relationship with God. It's individual, not collective.
  
  Therefore, I believe we get into the arguments and disagreements we do in the religion forums, because the path and connection to God is not a group effort, despite what religion pretends to do. Regardless of how you state, enforce it, or shout it out, the path is an individual one. The connection that you have found is yours alone and belongs to no one else. Others mock because they have not yet found it, and feel that those who thrust their experience on to them is false for them.
  
  I am personally happy for your experience. I have had similar in my life time and now have gone the other way. Religion and dogma will never add up for me. I think it is the furthest thing from having a spiritual connection. And so while I am happy for your experience, I just cannot buy into any of it anymore.
  
  I think this is a point to agree to disagree on. There is no reason for mockery, hate, contempt or arguing. But I have stated where I am at so that you won't tread on my beliefs, just as I will do my best to not tread on yours.
  
  Sending best regards, and wishing you continued peace.
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  waynetposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ho ho ho merry christ-mas!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Go St. Nick!
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What's that? Marinealways24 heard voices?
  
  *Yoshi reaches into the forum and picks up his radio*
  
  My bad ... I left it on last night and forgot to take it home. To make matters worse, some ninny set it to some religious station.
  
  Probably not a bad thing, as I had been listening to HG Wells War of the Worlds when I was in here last ... wouldn't want mareinealways24 spouting off about alien invasions now would we ...
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  xoxo
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus loves you!
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  TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did you get a certificate or something? How does that work
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A cirtificate of freedom from my wickeness of sins through the sacrifice of Jesus! He freaking loves me!
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  Putz Ballardposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Praise the Lord! Even the Angels in Heaven are rejoicing!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amen! Thank You!
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay I'll play along with you marinealways24 just in case you are telling the truth. This is just your first step in your faith walk, it's a lifetime commitment, to be 'saved' you have to continue. Nothing is strange about someone finding Jesus Christ, it happens every day. If you are telling the truth marinealways24 then Putz is right, "the Angels in Heaven are rejoicing" for you and although a little skeptical, so are a lot of people in here.
  
  I'd suggest to Cagsil, lyricsingray and the other naysayers to come into the light of Jesus Christ.
  
  Okay I'll sit back with the popcorn now to see what happens.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Praise Jesus! He is the way!
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well marinealways24 even though you were lying a lot of people were happy for you.
  
  Yep PTSD. I can't see you going to so much trouble otherwise. Please seek help my friend.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, another faith based psychologist who diagnoses the backbone of the country with PTSD to support faith. Follow your sister in the protection of faith. I find it amusing how you claim to understand psychology of PTSD, yet you are unable to understand the psychology of the bible. Keep believing. Did Jesus teach you this?
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  Truth_Tellerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Welcome to the family!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You!
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  loving this
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You might have been ignorant...that is up to you to decide. If so...look where your ignorance took you...? Too me...you made the wisest of choices. Many times...I would look at your posts in the forums and say...there is a man in search of more on his spiritual journey in life. Looks...like you found the ultimate answer. Very Excellent! Many times...I prayed for you to seek nothing but the best answers to your questions...and look what has happened!
  
  I have a small suggestion for you...if you have the time: Read a book on Keith Green's life called "No Compromise". I think it will encourage and strengthen you in your new found faith. he was a singer...who also had many questions while on a spiritual quest...and it took him very far while trusting in faith!
  
  My heart-felt Congrats...marinealways, MPM
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You!
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus loves the donkeys too!
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  Evolution Guyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is said that Jeebus was into Donkeys. Now I hear this from a genuine believer I am convinced.
  
  I had previously thought this to be a sin. But apparently not - I have heard and according to research.
  
  Now I know this is also an option - I may seriously consider throwing reason to the wolves and taking up with donkeys. Thank you for this enlightened version of events. You truly are an open minded individual. After all - this is how new species come about.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow! Tough gig! I hope you manage to avoid it!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I have read the bible and it's silly threats. Jesus is on the way to judge me and cast me to hell for not believing. He is right around the corner if you have faith.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This would lead one to believe everyone is going to hell.
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  gorgathionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am not trying to contradict you,but what proof have you found that you are right(again not trying to insult you)
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Be careful what you ask for, because it come at you from directions you've not seen.
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  gorgathionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I understand,but enlighten me on what you found
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Enlighten you to what I found?
  
  Enlightenment isn't what you seek. Enlightenment isn't true answers, it is a myth brought about by religion.
  
  Answers I have is knowledge and understanding about life itself. I can honestly extend my knowledge and understanding, because I have no questions about or in my life. I'm not restricted by limitations others try to put on my mind.
  
  I have faith in myself and my own ability to guide myself. Therefore, I need no external source to guide me. I live by my conscience and use honest thoughts to stroke my actions.
  
  You have a consciousness that tells you that you're alive.
  You have a conscience that tells you right from wrong for guidances.
  You have a subconsciousness that relays, your sense of life.
  
  You create free will thru consciousness, you create deeds thru honest thought, reinforced by honest action.
  
  There is no room for external guidance and leads one to understand that any other guidance other than self-guidance is absurd.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have seen the light!
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
can't do this, too many words, too little time, too few circle faces.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean? I now have eternal afterlife through faith.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I second that motion.
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thisisoliposted 14 years ago
You have eternal afterlife through faith while you are living.

It's up to you what you want to believe though!
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spartanking1978posted 14 years ago
I am saved...

It is a difficult thing to confess faith in Christ publicly these days, I respect those who are able to do so. In my opinion, faith is something personal, that need not be publicly displayed in order to understand it's power.

To often I have come to the end of the path I am on and asked..."Why?" The same answer is always there. "I walk the path that I have deemed necessary."

We all walk our own path, accepting that...I am saved.

The path I walk has been intelligently designed, accepting that...I am saved.

Entropy is the prime directive, accepting that...I am saved.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yet you state this is personal? It's all very confusing here?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Accept Jesus and it will make sense!
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you whispering?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes! Faith is a whisper!
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  poetlorraineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  relax just be happy for this person
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  which person?
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  poetlorraineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  the person who started the thread....
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  point taken, I just don't understand, but I guess we all will soon enough.
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  spartanking1978posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, as I said. It is personal. I just had to put in my 2 cents. Sorry!
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
cause I can't hear you
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
Still pondering are we?
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
I've been saved
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've been saved TOO!
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
By Cagsil thank God
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
This forum is not being spiritually educational for me, please do help, here is your attention you seek
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  megs78posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am not saying this to be rude, but I want to know why you are patronizing Marinealways for stating something that is profound to him and to his life? I don't see anyone being rude or mean to people who open up forums to congratulate people who have made 100 fans, or a 100 hub score, or for making 100 hubs. So what is your problem with this forum?
  
  He is happy and wants to share his happiness with others. Thats it! leave the man in peace.
  
  Peace,
  Megs
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't know marine do you?
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It might be the fact that she happens to know marine a little better than you do. Hmmm.....?
  
  I do not believe marine has found Jesus. And, I know he has not found Jesus, because he refuses to look for Jesus. Why? Because, Jesus DIED 2000+ years ago and there is no need to look for a dead man.
  
  But, Thank you for playing along.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus still speaks in faith.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Last time I checked, Jesus has spoken to anyone in a very long time. And, isn't about to anytime soon.
  
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you ask for forgiveness, and open your heart, he will speak to you.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't need to ask for forgiveness from a dead person. As for my heart, it is open, to all human beings who manage to live their lives each and every day.
  
  He will speak to me? Not, in this lifetime. But, thanks of thinking about me.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus will walk the earth again very soon.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Believe it when I see it.
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  marine, did you mean Jesus or Jebus? Both jolly nice fellas.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus! We found one another. He was calling all along, I just didn't trust him before. Now I see!
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Allow me to share some enlightenment. To be fair, I will allow marinealways24 to introduce himself with his own words:
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/26578#post508919
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/26645?page=3#post512122
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/26339?p … post511464
  
  That last post one was from seven days ago, but today Marinealways24 has been saved ... about 6 hours ago ... and right after he announced he was saved he finished flouncing a religious philosopher here:
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/26339?page=28
  
  Though marinealways24 shares no words in doing so, it is obvious if you go back a page he shared them a few days earlier then disappeared from the conversation for six days when he was banned for calling a person names in another topic (checked the hubtivity - no forum activity for six days straight)... and I strongly believe that ban is what 'saved' him and I believe the smiley faces under Mohitmisra's thereafter posts were meant to be a spiteful sneer.
  
  So, that explains why I am not so accepting that he has changed his ways ... and I have yet to hear him apologize to Mohitmisra publicly, like any good christian would if they insulted someone in public and then became saved.
  
  After all, when one is saved, they do try to right any past wrongs, right?
  
  Now, if someone were to say they were saved and I knew them to be factual about it, or had no reason to doubt them ... then yes ... I would share their enthusiasm, as I believe in God as well.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When I was banned is when I found my faith in Jesus and asked for forgiveness! I think Jesus had part in my ban to punish me for my actions and insults.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're a smart guy. Don't worry about what other people think. It's between you and GOD. Once again, congrats and good luck.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You! Good Luck to you as well.
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
I love cows-will cows be saved too?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Being a cow, my heaven is blocking the roads in India
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All animals will be saved. Haven't you heard of Noah's Ark? Jesus loves the cows.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  WAKE UP!
  
  Slaps lyricsingray in the back of the head.
  
  Your attention is necessary, please don't leave me alone, especially with "marine" in this strange mood.
  
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I found God and we had a little chat. He said, 'Mr. Cow, do not despair, one day you will die and forever lay in rest. But, my dear son, just know this one truth: There will be false prophets whom speak of me and try turn you to the face of evil. Hold your faith and know that I am here. I need nothing from you, for I am God. I give you life and I give you reason. Some will falter and some will give up. I am God, I know all, see all and am all powerful. I create you in my image. Use your omnipotence and defeat the ignorant, convert them to my word and failing that, kill them all.' Strange fellow.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus loves you!
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  wyanjenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You've even got Jesus muttering "Jesus" under his breath...
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He spoke to me!
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  feminine voice?
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  GOD gave you life.
  
  WOW!
  
  It's a pleasure to meet you. The son of GOD is here!
  
  A human being who didn't have parents?
  
  How is that possible? Must be an illusion!
  
  Thank you for playing.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oookay
  this is a joke?
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Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago
Defend God on Earth at any cost, live forever in heaven... Oh dear.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Seek guidance from self and not others. Protect life, yourself and others.
  
  Seek NO higher authority and answer to only yourself.
  
  To anything else- YOU defeat your own mind, consciousness, conscience and subsconscious.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Submit to Jesus!
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  See, that's just not cool. Are you whispering again as you say that cause it's creeps. Poets, I swear I'm trying, I swear
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'll have coffee with him if you can produce him.
  
  But, I submit to no one.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'll buy him a gold cross necklace if he'll hang with me, naked
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  wearing that hat had to, sorry, I'm doomed
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  CAGSIL runs to the store to buy gold cross necklace, hangs it around lyricsingray's neck and see she is naked- takes her into his arms, to comfort and relax her- Fear nothing, for I shall protect you against others.
  
  Know thy self and you'll know others.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You two remind me of my misspent youth.
  
  /me slaps you both with a large trout
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just pissed my lack of pants
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  Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Know yourself regularly and when it comes to know thy other you will be well prepared. Do not know in haste, however, as this may disappoint your new friend.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why worry about who you disappoint?
  
  What other people think is over-rated in today's society and the directly provides the results we already see around us.
  
  Never worry about what other people think, as long as your thoughts and actions are of HONESTY.
  
  Enough said.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My humour is obviously getting a little too mystical. Apologies.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hi CAGSIL! you have a new avatar again??? cute
  
  you worry but not too much because you care...and you care because you cant stand alone, you live in a society
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey PDH,
  
  You know what....you're right. As long as I have you around to talk to I am all set.
  
  But, be nice and share me, because I also have to ensure protection for lyricsingray.
  
  Thank you.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  again
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You didn't think I forgot about you already....do you?
  
  Shame on you.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That doesn't sound good.
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lack of pants? Did I hear that right? Got webcam? j/k
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus died for you! Don't let his sacrifice go in vain!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was murdered by selfish ruling mystics of his time, because he was a threat.
  
  I am human. I have no sin. I have no immoral thoughts and ALL My actions come from honesty.
  
  Therefore, YOU hold no power over me.
  
  Thank you for playing. Been fun!
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  Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  mooooooooost funny
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spartanking1978posted 14 years ago
What happens when a bit questions its own existence?

It reboots.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dude your killing me
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Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago
I submit to the Prophet Creflo
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Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago
Jesus didn't die for me. He may have died for you, I'm down with that.

Just let me drink my wine in peace
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Noah drank wine as well!
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  Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Awesome! Praise the Lord!!
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Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago
Parousia
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topshelfposted 14 years ago
God Bless you, and I'm so happy for you. Now you need to spread the Word and your testimony to others so more can join Jesus in the afterlife.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
Do you people not have faith?
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Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago
I believe in Spike Lee. Do the right thing.
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UPStarposted 14 years ago
This is AWESOME!!!! Thank you for sharing. I am one who does completely understand and you will be in my prayers. I fanned you and I am looking forward to being HP BFF's. :-) (I don't know how to make those cute little smilies)
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You!
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would be hopeful with you, were it not for knowing this hubbers posts in the past. I already wrote down on a sheet of paper how long this conversion will last, and my accuracy is often better than Edgar Cayce's.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That was before. Now I am saved!
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If that really happened then we ALL have been saved.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, all those with faith have been saved! This is the way to Jesus! Have faith!
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sandra rinckposted 14 years ago
lol Marine, you are terrible!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus loves you Sandra.
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
God bless you all, and to all a God bless. All he requires is faith and submission! Is this too much to ask? Jesus is there when you are ready! Jesus welcomes you!
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
Lose your wicked ways!
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, did you apologize to Mohitmisra yet? Penance always follows belief.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When there is no sin, why would one have penance?
  
  Sin, doesn't exist. It's a myth. As proproganda of religion.
  
  Sin is the result for which comes from bad or dishonest actions.
  
  In reality- It what's called- Immoral.
  
  A 'sin' would insinuate that someone else's rules apply to your own individual life.
  
  That cannot be. You LIVE by your own rules, dedicated by your own conscience. Your out right refusal to listen to your own conscience makes ALL your actions immoral.
  
  Thank you for playing.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ya, so there :
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Rik Ravadoposted 14 years ago
I too have seen the light and smell a rat (having read marine's profile).

I get where you are coming from lyricsingray
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TheAllSeeingEyeposted 14 years ago
I didn't know the SUN could talk...LOL!
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jimmythejockposted 14 years ago
I kept cutting myself until I bought a new Razorblade I too have been Shaved.....jimmy
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
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jimmythejockposted 14 years ago
woo hoo i am immoral do i get a prize?
.....jimmy
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
It has the wrong title but go post your savings not at the bank but ate the newest forum titled Religious Hubs (suppose to say forums) Why? I have quoted you and referenced this as a good example for my question that hope I saved, thank you
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You also put it in the wrong forum...
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TMinutposted 14 years ago
I've been expecting someone to say something like marine did as an insult somehow to believers. Now it's hard to know if he's serious or not, feels like he's biding his time waiting for the right comment so he can attack. But we have no way to know so there's nothing to say but accept it as true for now.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is Truth.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good luck with that.
  
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ediggityposted 14 years ago
Congratulations Marine. It's a great feeling, and big weight off the shoulders. GOD bless.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You!
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Well I'm not going to call him a liar, I don't even know him.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't need to. There is no reason in the world for you to do so. Even, if you knew him.
  
  Judgement is not for you to decide.
  
  Judgement is for him to decide upon himself.
  
  Providing he really did find Jesus, Marine would have had to have a complete and total nervous breakdown and not be of sound mind, or at least not in control of his thoughts.
  
  Plain and simple. Marine is too logically oriented. To just up and find Jesus- he would have to have snapped. And, Logically, I can conlude his is providing some sort of illusion.
  
  My only thing is I haven't quite been able to figure out his motive? or Why? he is doing this.
  
  But, I'm sure- sooner or later- alls will be known.
  
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It looks like you're the one judging.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I judge no one. I only judge their actions for what I see them.
  
  Look inside yourself, before commenting on me.
  
  Because you comment insinuates knowledge, but lack of understanding. When you come to a new understanding, come see me.
  
  Have a nice day.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, "I judge no one." "I only judge" You're funny man.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is what logic told you. Logic is evil. Faith will tell you I am saved!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I faith.
  
  Faith in myself and faith in what I know. Logic is evil against the word of god. Absolutely!
  
  How ever, with that said- MY reasoning is sound. And, says "YOU ARE FULL OF IT!"
  
  So, stop playing around. I know I've been only 6 weeks, but I've seen your posts and faith doesn't come that easily. Sorry, I'm not buying it.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Faith is found immediately you ask for forgiveness and accept your and my savior Jesus Christ! He wants to talk to you when you will trust and put faith in him. Who needs logic when you can have faith? Faith is bliss!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm still NOT BUYING it!
  
  Faith is NEVER found immediately in anything. It's virtually impossible, from what I know and seen, from you in your posts.
  
  Naw! I'm not biting this fish line.
  
  I'm outta here. Enjoy.
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  'who needs logic when you can have faith'
  
  Interesting choice of words, as you were feeding the Christians to the lions over this in the thread you posted just before you were banned.
  
  I think it's great to be saved, but it's cynical to pretend to be saved. I don't always agree with everything said on the religious forums, but I certainly don't poke fun at them by pretending to be saved - that's just mean!
  
  You might think they are all stupid enough to buy into this while you laugh at your keyboard, but I can assure you they are no fools and will soon discover the same clues I did which expose this for the farce that it really is.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't believe I am saved because you have no faith I am saved. This is not the teachings of Jesus. Jesus taught forgiveness and faith. Do you disagree?
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I totally agree. And agree. And agree. And he doesn't seem to be psychotic. I find myself trying to rationalize the circumstances under which this would not be cruel. And trying not to be personally disappointed.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't be disappointed! I have found forgiveness, truth, and peace through Christ! How have you been?
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm. Sorry, still gonna have to stick with disappointed, and mystified (as to your motives) for now.
  
  I've been okay. New homeopathic seems to be kicking in and I have an almost normal sleep cycle for now. ADD is managed, but still there in all the "good" ways. Thanks for asking.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are welcome. Glad you are managing.
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ediggityposted 14 years ago
Yeah, why is it so hard to believe someone asked for forgiveness, and accepted Jesus Christ as their lord and savior? People do it every second of every day.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you paid attention to anything marine has said over the past few months?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I have. It's not something that is impossible. I think it's great that he found Jesus, and hopefully he will continue to share his story. Maybe a Hub?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are right! Nothing is impossible through faith in Jesus!
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amen to that.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus loves you too, even though you doubt him. He does not doubt you! All is possible through faith in Christ!
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Marine don't hurt these people.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is love, not pain.
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Dear Christian friends I believe we're being played for the fun of the non-believers. Let his deeds stand for who he is and always be true to your own heart. God Bless.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I hope you're not including me in your generalization?
  
  I've been good. I've only been harping on marine and not saying against anyone's belief but his.
  
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't save my unpublished, I'm doomed!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oops?
  
  That sucks.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you're not guilty this time you've been guilty before and you know it. On all threads leave the Christians alone, don't be mean.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't bash people. I don't start insults. I find insults appropiate for specific mentalities, especially when you tell someone a fact and they tell you it's not.
  
  I don't come to the forums looking for trouble, but I'm not ignorant about what's going to occur either.
  
  The fact that I have all the proof I need to make GOD non-existent, is completely relevant to only me. I can scream all day long, about beliefs. I don't use beliefs to live my life. I use my mind, my conscience and honest thoughts.
  
  I don't lie, because there is no good that can come from it. I'm smart enough and I understand enough about life, so as to know what to expect, regardless of what situation or circumstances comes up, I rise above it.
  
  Yes, I have been here and Yes, I have slammed down on some. I've apologized for my actions by the request of another hubber in another forum. If you didn't get your apology, then I suggest you visit it. With all the places I post, I don't even remember the hubbers name who opened the thread or the name of the thread.
  
  I didn't have to apologize, but I thought I would, so as to get to know more about people. What I know- is what I share.
  
  Have a Great Day!
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Speaking only for myself sneak, I do not find any fun or amusement in this.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am sorry if you are offended. I mean no harm. Why do I have to protect my faith?
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
They hate me in my question Forum, I think I'll be de fanned many times but I know some will be saved
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TMinutposted 14 years ago
marine, that doesn't make sense. Faith in you telling the truth has nothing to do with faith in God.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How else would you believe that I believe unless you had faith that I believe?
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, that made no sense - please translate :
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If my belief is through faith, how would your belief of my belief be believed without faith that I believe what I say I believe?
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  Like that helped?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol It made sense to you, just not to her.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Translate?
  
  How else would YOU believe that HE really believes, unless you have 'faith' in him and his belief?
  
  Saying that he is looking for another way or alternative to making others believe he is a changed man.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are correct. No one will believe me without faith that what I say is true.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your first impression is a lasting one. That simple.
  
  My first impression of you. You now- 360 degree turn around.
  
  No, I'm not buying it. I'm sorry.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again, You are using logic. Logic is evil. You must have faith to understand eternal life through Christ.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay mr. smarty pants.
  
  Enjoy. I'm still not buying it.
  
  So, I guess I can go do other things.
  
  Later folks.
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A public apology to Mohitmisra would be a start. Remember him? He's the religious philosopher you trounced before you were banned ... and the same person who drew smilies to on each of his latest responses AFTER you were saved.
  
  How odd you responded to each of my messages and ignored this part each time ...
  
  Were it not for this small 'wrinkle' in your saving I might have given it some thought as the real deal.
  
  So, why exactly did you add smilies to all of his latest posts? Why didn't you apologize? Why didn't you tell him God loves him?
  
  Again, I remind you that you added the smilies AFTER you created this thread, so by then you had ALREADY been saved.
  
  But here's your second chance ... you can go over to that thread I mentioned (you were in it today, so you know which one) and you can tell Mohitmisra you have been saved and that you apologize for your past transgressions.
  
  While you're at it, you can go to the thread where you called Spiderpam a name (that's what got you banned, remember?) and post a message in that thread apologizing for that behavior. Granted, she can be a bit forceful with her opinions, but she said nothing to earn her being called names.
  
  Atonement for one's sins is the foundation of Christianity, so assuming you have been saved, I am guiding you toward what God would ask of you. Being saved isn't a mulligan where you leave all sin behind and start with a clean slate. It's acknowledging you led a wicked life you wish to atone for and promising to lead a much better one from here on out. That better life starts with atonement and moves on to becoming a better person.
  
  You will also note that I have only asked that you apologize to those you have recently (and directly) offended, as I believe that - given it's sincere - should be enough to prove you have turned over a new leaf and are not trying to make a fool of the believers.
  
  Please note ... I'm a believer ... and as any believer I do not care for people who use 'being saved' as a means of poking fun at Christians. We take it very seriously, and I want to be certain that you do as well.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Does the bible say to accept false prophets or to call them out? I do not respect anyone that speaks lies. Jesus teaches truth! Not lies. The bible also teaches against arrogance. The prophet is pure evil! I forgive them both and pray they find peace and truth through my saviour Jesus Christ.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why the charade? What do you really need? We're all human and equal and would be happy to help you, not judge you.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have what I need in my peace through Jesus. You are the one that needs to be saved. You lack faith.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know that wise one I ask?
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You forgive them both here ... where we could only see it ... or do you forgive them in the threads where you insulted them?
  
  I have three children ... two daughters and a son. Now, when my son calls my daughter a name I don't accept his apology for her ... instead, I ask that he apologize to her personally as it was her feelings he hurt.
  
  So is it too much to ask that you go to those two topics and post your apologies? And you should also mention that you have been saved, which is why you are atoning for your sins.
  
  To offer your apologies here is just grandstanding for an audience, which leads me back to my former belief that this could be all a show.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is because you have no faith in me. I do not encourage people to lie by appologizing for their lies. I have faith that they will stop lying, this doesn't make it logical. Forgiving them doesn't mean I have to encourage them to keep lying. You disagree?
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not asking for you to forgive *them*, I'm asking you to directly ask them for forgiveness for calling them names in the very recent past. Whether they chose to offer their forgiveness in return is of no concern, as a Christian makes amends for past sins with others with no concern over whether their apology will be accepted.
  
  Did you honestly believe being saved meant you just say 'I believe in Jesus Christ' and you're in the club? There's a lot more to being saved than saying it ... God looks for proof, and if he doesn't see it ... he doesn't buy into it either. After all, if becoming saved where that easy, every atheist would shout 'I believe' once in their lifetime to insure salvation, just in case there really was a God.
  
  As many Christians were thrown to the lions in Jesus's time, they prayed ... not only for their own souls, but for the souls of the Romans, that they might be shown leniency in heaven for their actions. They never asked for apologies, and earnestly believed their salvation was set by forgiving those who had transgressed against them.
  
  This was not a case of the Christians acknowledging the acts of the Romans as being justified, but an acknowledgment that the Romans did not know God, and therefore, could not possibly know the right path to travel ... making it less their fault that they traveled the wrong one.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have no faith in me! How many hoops do I have to jump through to be accepted in your eyes. Do you want me to walk on coals next? Have Faith! With Jesus, all is possible!
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  mobilephone guideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  it's just another version of "holier than thou" stating that they are better because they are "saved" and what the hell. in the other spectrum, it's "i am smarter than thou" in which they are better because they are "smarter".
  
  both makes fun of themselves. ain't that beautiful? humility is easily forgotten.
  
  anyway, my popcorn's gone and i'm finished with this pathetic "reverse psyche" trolling attempt.
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mobilephone guideposted 14 years ago
*popcorn*
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  M&M's too
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TMinutposted 14 years ago
Faith is complete trust in or confidence in; I don't know you so faith doesn't apply.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Faith is absolute! My faith in Jesus is absolute!
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  mobilephone guideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  pics or it didn't happen
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Faith doesn't require pics.
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  mobilephone guideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i have faith in you that you would crucify yourself. i want a pic of that
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  BZZZZZZZ
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
And, HE CAN NOT!

So, stop it!

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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
No one will believe I have been saved unless they have faith I have been saved. Logic will say that I have not been saved from my previous postings before claiming that I have been saved.
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Truth_Tellerposted 14 years ago
The Bible says, in I Corinthians 2:14, "the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The natural man is an unconscious thinking animal.
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Pr0metheusposted 14 years ago
“You shall not follow a crowd to do evil” (Exodus 23:2)

Welcome to the crowd, Marine.
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yoshi97posted 14 years ago
I chose to stand back and watch at this point ...

If the moth has changed into a butterfly, then by all means, I'll willingly accept it. However, should the moth show its faded colors again I'll be the first one back to say 'I told you so'.

As such, I offer faith in this transformation ... with conditions that can only be met with proof and time.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am a butterfly of Jesus. You lack faith that with Jesus and faith, all is possible. Why do you consistently question faith?
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  A butterfly indeed !
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Last night I dreamed that I was a butterfly.
  Or in truth am I realy a butterfly that is now dreaming that I am a man???
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nice to see you tantrum!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yes, I'm sure !
  
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TMinutposted 14 years ago
Since this seems to be heading to a point of contrasting logic and faith, it fits right in with a book I was reading today called Gut Feelings - The Intelligence of the Unconscious by Gigerenzer, the director at the Max Planck Institute for Human Development. Just in the front cover it says, What looks like a reasoning error from a purely logical perspective can be a highly intelligent social judgment in our fiendishly complex lives. In the book he explores many instances of logic giving the wrong answer in daily life. It's not as cut-and-dried as we might wish life to be.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, it is cut and dried more than you know. It's books like what you are reading that is making life seem more complex.
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  SEM Proposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey y'all - couldn't help but jump in at this point. I think you're all right If you have indeed found faith Derek/Marine - CONGRATULATIONS! You must have found a degree of trust in yourself in order to trust stepping onto a path out of confused mayhem. Hope your new little one helped cause you seemed to have been waiting for him to change your life.
  
  Good book! Although I agree that life is only complicated when we allow ourselves to stay stuck in that belief, it does say clearly (and simply) "... it can be a highly intelligent social judgment" BINGO! Let's see, should I choose to piss everyone off and get banned from a site I love and in which I find my social interaction daily? Or should I embrace a path, crank up my faith, learn from a great teacher and "fit in" with the majority in society? That's what I call a no-brainer!
  
  CONGRATULATIONS to you too Cagsil. Clearly you realize things can be simple in the here and now. Is there room to embrace the possibility that although people don't necessarily change, they may need to rise above confusion once-in-awhile? It is good for the soul and when it comes right down to it, I believe doubt is what keeps us stuck in crap like judgment - - - doubting ourselves and our worth, doubting others - who needs it? And for my final profound statement (no, please, no applause necessary) let me quote Ziggy: "Love is the answer. What [the hell] was the question?" (applause joke from Toastmaster habit - it most often means "sit the f--k down, your time's up!"
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nice to see you Sylvia.
  
  My question is, why are so many supportive of me when I share their belief of faith and why did so many attempt to discredit me when I used individual logic?
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  SEM Proposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've been gone awhile Derek. From what I recall, you didn't often use individual logic. You seemed to be stuck in "it's all crap and I don't like any of it". Am I off base? You know me, all cards on the table kind of gal. I recall you bucking anything positive without embracing a logical "it feels better to feel good than to feel depressed". You had to choose. So, have you chosen? Jesus saved me too - years ago. I was sitting on the beach trying to accept circumstances and felt like I'd been picked up and gently tossed in the ocean to be re-baptised. It was awesome and ironically, about 12 years after declaring myself Baha'i. It felt good. Since, I know I'm in God's hands and the more completely I can surrender my own judgments, the better off I get. Since then I embraced Eckankar to be more fully involved in daily spiritual practices. Now, my own beliefs essentially are to be a co-worker with God - that means spreading light, love and compassion - not attempting to convert anyone to any particular path or belief. What we believe now may not be what the next person needs on their path at the time.
  
  Long story but the bottom line boils down to - enjoy your path of faith in Jesus without any doubt. That's where you need to be right now so it's ALL GOOD! Doubt is the only enemy. VERY, very glad you're listening!!! Faith will indeed guide you to feel love quicker than analytical distrust and depression!!!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Doubt is logic. I gave up doubt for faith. My individual logic was keeping me from believing in Jesus. I threw logic out of the window for faith. I couldn't figure out why I was depressed, so I threw logical thinking out the window to just have faith and believe I am happy. I found Jesus through faith, not logic. Logic is evil. Logic told me that the bible is simply to group belief and control us from acting as animals, faith told me that God created all and I will have eternal life and happiness through faith in Jesus.
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  However, questioning is not necessarily doubt. Therein lies the caveat for most believers. When others question their beliefs, they interpret it as doubt. To question is the only way to receive answers. To question is to ascertain what reality is. The old cliché that God loves a skeptic is based on the idea of questioning.
  
  Doubt is different. Doubt is a decision, not a curious attitude.
  
  So, to be clear, good for you for removing doubt for faith. Jesus taught that very well. But be gentle with those you may misperceive as doubters who are actually questioning and trying to ascertain for themselves where they stand in the universe.
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Daniel. Good to see you. We can disagree and still play together at recess, yes?
  
  I don't agree that doubt is a decision any more than I agree that belief in a deity is a choice or decision, which I see stated often by believers. It’s flabbergasting to me when people say these things.
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  Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I take your point, and there's certainly no offense taken here. I think your point is very valid in the context you present it.
  
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks so much Daniel. I tried for years to ignore my doubts, and convince myself that I believed. It was very stressful, not knowing a single person who was a non-believer, or at least who admitted it. Finally I did make a decision or choice. I decided to be truthful, at least to myself, that I didn’t believe. Sooooooooo, it really gets me going when someone throws out that whole “decision” and “choice” card.
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  SEM Proposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Crikey - run a few errands and look what happens... Thanks Daniel - for standing in as the voice of reason in my absence. Doubt is indeed a decision or more appropriately, normally a subconscious 'automatic' decision. Those subconscious ones are based on the programs that run our lives; the ones we adopted as children when we thought our parents were Gods. Without getting in touch with those, change is futile. Bravo again Daniel on sharing the difference between questioning to find ones way and doubt.
  
  Pretty sure that's why there are so many jumping on you in disbelief Derek. I didn't get that you questioned to find out before - nor frankly that you were questioning because of a program in your DNA or subconscious. You came across (and still do) as if there is no logic to belief, faith, or the path we choose to follow. Hogwash! I have yet to believe ANYTHING without solid proof or verification of it's reality. Does that mean there is a reason for everything the disciples wrote in the bible? Absolutely! Noah's ark isn't there because God loves animals. Considering one level of that story, every moment of our lives ought to be better, more loving, giving, less judgemental and tranquil when we study how everything applies to this moment. i.e. two of every animal got along just fine in a tiny boat for 40 days - and you can't get along with your brother? Or sister? Or anyone for that matter?
  
  Now that you have found Jesus, many have shared that it's about the actions you are guided to improve. And not for some silly afterlife belief, but rather for today and each moment you live. Karma is cause and effect - true belief and "being saved" may have you on your knees in a heartbeat - weeping with the realization of how many you've dissed, how many people you've hurt, damaged or scorn because of a shallow belief in materialism and merely what concerns us here on earth. Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the light - that is the path, that becomes the goal. It is not words, not a trophy, not a ticket to continue dissing those who are still lost but rather a burden of responsibility yet we come to truly believe, "He ain't heavy, he's my brother!"
  
  OK hey, clearly, I could go on but I shan't. Bottom line - study and learn about your new path Derek - it is AWESOME and you will become a more logical, better man with each passing day. Faith is the guide, logic is the key to discernment - and as I said before, love is always the answer!
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No, he's right in many of the things he's said. There is an intuitive aspect to life that often defies what should be common sense.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Common sense doesn't negate morality.
  
  Morals are either right or wrong.
  
  Any action that Benefits the human organism or society is right and good.
  
  Any action that Harms the human organism or society is wrong or bad.
  
  Emotions are amoral. Hence, they are not right or wrong.
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  Okay. But what does that have to do with contrasting faith and logic?
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  bzzzz wrong answer
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I guess that would depend on whether or not your vision is skewed.
  
  Logic is all about the order of reasoning and comprehension.
  
  Faith is a mystical application, which one draws from not understanding all the facts. Hence, a leap of faith.
  
  Now- if you want to talk about 'faith' in a different context, then by all means do.
  
  I have faith in myself. I have faith in myself to be 100% positive that their is no god. I don't have any doubt about his non-existent.
  
  Even believers cannot say that. Why can't they? Because is a biological impossibility. It simply can not be done.
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Yoshi, you are awesome!
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank ya! Of course, I am one of thousands of awesome hubbers, including yourself.
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  drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're cooler...no you're cooler!
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Hey, we're all cool!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You cool!
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  and smokin hot :
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drej2522posted 14 years ago
lyric is up there in the coolest category!
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  smooth
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  drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know, I know...I should start giving lessons!
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Cagsil's avatar is WAY cool!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you.
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QUOTE: Even believers cannot say that. Why can't they? Because is a biological impossibility. It simply can not be done.

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Biological impossibility? You're not making sense. Of course I can say I have no doubt about his non-existence. I can say I have no doubt about his existence.
Faith is not "not understanding all the facts". It's the result of seeing more of the whole picture. The fact that science, religion, people in general often get things wrong at the first, second, and third go doesn't negate what's really there and really true.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  who and what are you talking to? Please translate as it is you who is not making any sense, thank you
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  TMinutposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was referring to the part of the post I quoted of Cagsil's, sorry I didn't make that clear.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What didn't make sense?
  
  Again, you can not erase 100% of all doubt.
  
  It's biologically impossible!
  
  Your consciousness is aware that is not real.
  Your conscience knows it's not real.
  Your subconscious knows it's not real.
  
  That's because it is in the nature of man and woman, to base their beliefs on what they know is real.
  
  Therefore you can not be completely 100% convinced, regardless of what you say.
  
  If you form your beliefs in any other manner, you are hurting only yourself.
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