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TMinutposted 15 years ago
Okay, hold up. You're defining faith as believing in things without any evidence, aren't you? Words change meaning and in the scripture people were told to keep the faith, have faith in God because they knew he was reliable. Trust and confidence is different than agreeing with what someone told you you should believe for no reason.
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Rick Marlowposted 15 years ago
I ain`t buying any of it. As I said about the fourth or fifth post on this forum.Something stinks.Marines answers are too quick and short.Had this really occoured,he`d be wanting to tell the whole world.He can`t tell us how because it didn`t happen.It`s the joke of the day and everyone has been roped in except me and cag and yoshi.As soon as I saw any of this I went to the other forum and he was bashing Mohit while praising Jesus over here.Just a publicity stunt.He should be a politician.
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  wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As I said, he's even got Jesus muttering "Jesus" under his breath...
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am unsure how to explain it. It's like a light came on in my head that created self awareness when I asked Jesus for acceptance and forgiveness! I now see the importance of faith over logic! I will pray your faith grows stronger Rick. God Bless you.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Put on a blue suit, grab a jet plane
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Marine, with statements about seeing the importance of faith over logic, I can see why some believers would be skeptical about your conversion. You come across as poking fun of believers for being illogical.
  
  Most believers do not put much stock in blind faith, but believe that reason, logic, and faith all go together.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How is this when reason and logic told me not to believe and faith told me to believe? Through faith, I found Jesus, through logic, I did not believe.
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That doesn't fly with Biblical teachings that praised inquiry, scrutiny, and checking things out rather than blindly taking other people's word as truth nor with the teachings of the early Church fathers who insisted that reason and sound logic support genuine Faith, because they are tools by which we can discern Truth.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  Good one. Reason and sound logic? Truth with a capital T.
  
  Buy a dictionary woman.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How else would I believe in the prophets miracles in the past without faith that the miracles happened? The prophets arern't here to show me the miracles. The only way to believe them is through faith. Logic told me not to believe unless seeing. I found faith through Jesus!
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have to agree, "Logic is evil" come on. Christians don't say that. What kinda game are you playing. After reading yoshi post saved or not you owe spiderpam and mositha a major apology.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If what you say is true and it very well may be, we can hope that he gets caught in his own game. God does work in mysterious ways.
  God say that people get caught in their own snairs. I hope this is the case.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are no snairs in the path of Jesus. Unless you have faith in the devil!
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  Justine76posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It may not have sounder like it but I was standing on your behalf. Every day is a new day holding the potential of new beginnings.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are always brighter new days in faith!
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  You spend most of your time saying "logic is evil."
  
  You just think you are saying, "look - proof that evolution doesn't happen, therefore god drew us in the dirt."
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Still waiting mark
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why does everyone think that it has to be EITHER OR ...
  God said let it be and bang there it was. OK things may have evolved to a point. This ability to evolved until life on earth was acceptable for the life that God had in mind. God then created MAN.. The first day was a good thing.. 100,000 or so later on the second day, God worked.... 100,000 years later God worked a second day etc. etc.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not really interested. Sorry - your invisible super being cannot exist. Life would make no sense if it did.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Gotta be either or .. huh?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it has to be either or, because if it is both, LIFE has no real meaning and can never be understood.
  
  Life isn't meant for people to pay homage to a higher existence than oneself.
  
  If you WANT higher meaning for your individual life, then make a solid purpose for your life and give it higher meaning.
  
  If GOD did exist, but keeps quiet about his existence, it makes no sense for him to not openly tell or show the people real facts that he does exist, so ALL will know.
  
  Your faith is sorely place in a place that which is not in reality. Which is the only way humans are able to live their life properly.
  
  Your consciousness knows it's not real.
  Your conscience knows it's not real.
  Your subconsciousness knows it's not real.
  
  Why? Because it is inside the basic nature of who you are.
  
  You are to accept only facts as a basis for belief. Faith in anything that isn't real, according to your own nature, then you only hurt yourself.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They spread lies. Lies are evil. I make no appologies to the devil.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now, I know you're full of it. I'm not sure about mohitmisra, but spiderpam is pretty genuine.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I now speak truth through Jesus! Both lied repeatedly! However, I forgive them and will pray for them.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok if you say so, you may not have liked what they said, but “lie” I doubt it. Calling her "pig" was over the line to say the very least. I'd ask you to prove where they lied, but I'm waiting for the BIG GOTCHA in your next forum post.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You told many lies as well. But I will forgive you. I will not appologize to condone your lying. I will pray for you to find Jesus.
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
You people have no faith I have been saved. I will pray for you all. Praise Jesus.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
I have loads of faith.
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habeeposted 15 years ago
Jen, wouldn't Jesus be muttering, "Me"? lol

I'm a believer, but I think God hath a sense of humor. Why else would he make a man's sex drive peak at 18 and a woman's at 45??
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because he's inhuman ?
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think that he wants us to understand other peoples prospective. Role reversals. when younger women wants attention and hugs and is willing to put the mans desirew first to acheive this, AND THEN the man needs attention and hugs and SHOULD be willing to do the same as the women used to do.
  It is called "getin along".
  There is a lesson to be learned if we are paying attention.
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habeeposted 15 years ago
Well, he IS inhuman - not human.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
blah. this thread has dissolved into repetition
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  there's nothing much to be said about being saved, when there's nothing to be saved for
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Aya Katzposted 15 years ago
Dan, very well put!
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Daniel Carterposted 15 years ago
In summation, what any of us believe is what we *need* to believe right now. What's in your mind is your reality. If you want your reality to change, you change what's in your mind first.

So, if you *need* a saving-grace experience, you can create one. If you don't, you won't create one.

I do believe there is something wonderful in the universe. I haven't a clue what it is. I'm no longer willing to call it "God." What religion did was make God into a fallible, pathetic, hateful, vengeful man and say "this guy is perfect and right in every way." Really?

Faith, to me, is a high price to pay for perpetuating a lie.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
I gotta go make a living now will ge back later.
Great day to all of ya.
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Revive@OwnRiskposted 15 years ago
Isn't it just amazing that there are extremely few civilized comments about religion and a person's beliefs? It's extremely telling of a person's biases, prejudices and so much more. We can't respect each other views of this simply because we fear their beliefs are a threat to our own??? I find this very odd and sad.

I wish you well, marine in your new-found beliefs. Though mine are far, far removed from your own, I feel secure enough in my own beliefs to wish you all happiness in your own.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Likewise! Thank You!
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sandra rinckposted 15 years ago
Marine, you are a total dick playing on these people like this. You have them all looking like fools because they are buying into your satire.

A lot of these people are my friends regardless of our differences but make a fool out of them like this...

If I was your mom I would drag you out by your ear!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Poor marine!
  It's not his fault if people make fools of themselves
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is god's will.
  
  I guess..............
  
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess...
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The only fool is one without faith in Jesus.
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drej2522posted 15 years ago
I think Evolution Guy has been saved!!!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of what ?? Of you ?
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  From what?
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  drej2522posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh...that was sarcasm, people...because we all know EvolutionGuy is an atheist..yes?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh ! do we have to laugh ?....
  
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  drej2522posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I did.
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C.J. Wrightposted 15 years ago
15 pages...for this???? HUH????
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  16 soon enough.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  2 months
  5 hubs
  
  Only this, HUH ?????
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  C.J. Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry I didn't meet the quota maam. I did read your poetry the other day though. Very nice.
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thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years ago
If you buy into marine's joke for one second guess what!

You've been PUNKED

Marine 27 minutes ago:

"Yes, I am still logically here! Don't tell anyone! There is actually a method behind my madness. I assure you, it is with logical intent."
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Faith has redefined my logical mind! Faith through Jesus!
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep! That's right! And here's that big I TOLD YOU SO!!!
  
  And for all those who thought I was just being a non-believer who couldn't believe someone could convert instantly ... WRONG!! I'm a believer that keeps my senses about me enough to know when I am being punked, and I have been waiting for this irrefutable proof to prove it!
  
  Christian does not equate to foolish ... there's just some of us who want so much to convert the corrupted that we fail to see deception when it's so evident.
  
  If anyone wants a link to the proof I can provide it. And since it's a respond to a hub that's been there for more than 10 minutes it can't be removed.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I explained this. Accepting Jesus changed my logical mind. I choose faith!
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah ... so you got saved again 48 minutes ago? This thread was started yesterday ... the post we speak of is from less than an hour ago. Face you ... you've been busted!
  
  What really ticks me off is how you have been playing all of the believers as they fawn over your miraculous 'spiritual makeover' as you laugh at them behind the scenes.
  
  I'll allow some time for the gears to turn and then I'll post the link to the prrof I have been promising would arrive since yesterday ... however, I thought you would have been able to keep it all together for yet another day.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  With faith in Jesus, all is possible. You have busted nothing. Why are you so offended by my faith in Jesus? Am I not worthy to share your belief?
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  After reading your responses in your hub 'The Science of Faith' I wonder why ...
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Those aren't my absolute beliefs. My absolute belief is faith in Jesus.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I TOLD YOU SO!!!
  
  So - you are right after all? Well done. Must meen jeebus ir reel huh?
  
  LOLOLOLOL
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
I'm confused....
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is no confusion. I accepted Jesus! I have been saved!
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TMinutposted 15 years ago
It's okay Sandra, this doesn't make believers look like fools for not automatically assuming someone's a liar. Doesn't look too good on him though.
It's just the people who haven't read it all that don't see what he's doing and those people probably have more sense than I for still reading! :-)
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey - if they believe god died for their sins - this is not much of a stretch.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus died for me, not God! He was son of God! He died for your sins, you lack faith to accept it! Jesus is eternal life!
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now I am confused.
  
  Is jeebus god or not?
  
  Did god die for me or not?
  
  Or was it just his only son?
  
  Help me to understand and be as open minded as you.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus loves you.
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The same way he loves donkeys?
  
  'cause I don't think I would like that very much.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He loves you more! He died for your sins, not the donkeys sins!
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did the donkeys sin?
  
  Like the dinosaurs sinned and were turned into oil by a process called "rusting" after the flood?
  
  Will the donkeys be turned into oil too Marine?
  
  I now look to you for spiritual guidance as jesus talks into your head.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus loves you.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
I don't know if I can believe ya on this one marine...sorry
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats because you have no faith in me. I still love you though.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do want to believe you, marine but this has happened so fast how can I? Did someone tell you something in the religion forum that made you believe in God, in Jesus?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus spoke to me.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In a dream? while you were meditating?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, fully conscious. I decided to accept faith over logic and he accepted me.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I do hope that you are telling the truth, Marine
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean like spiderpam is telling the truth that jesus told her the dinosaurs (2 of them) were on Noah's ark before being turned into oil?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or like you saying 0+0=1
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Never said that. But - you go ahead and say I did if it makes your ridiculous beliefs seem less foolish.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay "scientist" you're still wrong. Do ya feel like answering questions yet, mark? I'm still waiting!
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Uh ... not to interrupt, but this is Marinealways's moment - he's being saved, so let's throw evolution off the tree for a moment, okay?
  
  As Spiderpam has arrived, I think now would be a good time for Marinealways to apologize for calling her a name a few days ago. After all, one who accepts Christ is willing to atone for his past sins ... and I think now is as good as a time as any.
  
  I don't know about anyone else, but I know I read that thread and why some things were said that many disagreed with, I don't think Pam needed to be called a name.
  
  So ... I know this can be difficult Marine, but we believe in your salvation and know you can find the strength through Christ to tell her you are sorry.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're right!
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is it a sin to call a lying hypocrite a "pig" though?
  
  Even though a pig is a filthy animal in the eyes of the Lord.....
  
  I am not so sure. Maybe there is a Scriptural argument for this?
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks yoshi,
  We disagree on some things, but I thank you for your kind words. Hey Truth!
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hiya Spider!
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We tend to disagree about out beliefs because we have developed them separately under different circumstances, but that doesn't mean we must find each other disagreeable.
  
  If everyone thought like me I would pray for an early death as the world would immediately lose interest. It's those that think differently that dare us to reconsider everything we know and make us wonder if we ever real knew what it is we know.
  
  I'll fight for my beliefs like anyone else, but I don't debate them in the hope of changing another's opinion, but to prove to myself and others that my beliefs didn't come about by blind belief ... I grew into them through lots of my own research.
  
  And was everything I discovered right? Maybe ... maybe not ... and that's why we debate the topics, to find the holes that tell us there is more to be researched.
  
  So, while I'm not ready to let go of evolution, I'm also not ready to reject creationism.
  
  Live and let live ... and bear no grudge toward another ... that's a code I think we could all do well to live by.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nice yoshi. And respectful.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have already explained this. I do not condone lying.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where/When did she lie? Just wandering.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus knows, just as he knows when you lie.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you have no proof! I thought so, you just disagree with her so that makes her a liar. Great logic!
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks truth, but please don't bother. I read your latest hub, I liked it alot.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, I'll try. Which one?
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Can you handle the Truth of God?" Brilliant! Thought I'd give ya a plug!
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Goodnight Pam thanks for the plug!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't need to bring up her past lies or yours. I forgive you both. Jesus sees your lies and will not forgive you until you are both honest.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  5...4...3...2...1...SIKE!
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I realize this oldie but goodie has been bastardized by the younger generation, but... don't you mean PSYCH!
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  nice buddy
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dinosaurs on the Ark?! No sh1t? D@mn I hate I missed that thread. Can someone post a link? Thanks.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The truth is that Jesus is believed by faith. I choose to have faith rather than logic. Jesus saved me!
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Jesus is believed by faith but don't turn into one of those closed minded ppl please, marine!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All doors are open when Jesus is accepted! Jesus has showed me the way. His way is the only way.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sadly Marine as you have seen in other religious threads not everyone thinks that way. A lot of religious ppl are closed minded which makes me sad.
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you need to read his special message in his hub regarding The Science of Faith. I know it helped me understand his transformation a lot better - in particular, his repsonse to rmcrayne showed me what was deep in his heart and why we need to hold strongly against those who would ridicule our beliefs. Seriously ... it's a really powerful read ...
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spiderpamposted 15 years ago
This is so NOT funny.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hello sister!
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yoshi97posted 15 years ago
My apologies, Marinealways24 ... I misunderstood your calling, and after what you posted I can see how you have transformed in your spirituality.

For all of those people who have witnessed Marinealways being saved and believe it has really occurred (non-believers need not bother - as it won't change your view of him) then view his own responses he posted to this glorious hub, found here:

In his response to mcrayne (posted a day after he had been saved - so it's not the mimicry of his past) he shows us what it means for him to be saved and I think all Christians should know just how far Marinealways has went to change his ways.

Of course, we could all accept this by faith, but I think it would mean more to him if all believers read the kind words he wrote and then left a few kind comments in return to show their thanks for his belief and support.

Here's the hub: http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Science-Of-Faith

Seeing as it's not my hub I won't benefit from the clicks, so posting it here doesn't fall into the reign of self-promotion.
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topshelfposted 15 years ago
You know the best thing to do marine is to just pray for them, seriously. They're don't understand, and they won't understand because they're not saved, so the devil is telling them lies and hardning their heart so they can't hear the truth. The devil tells them there is no sin or they shouldn't follow a man that lived thousands of years ago. And until they see the truth, the devil will continue to feed them these lies. The devil knows Jesus is going to win... but he wants to take as many souls away from Jesus and into Hell with him. And what they fell to realize is that this is serious!!!! Once we die, we don't get a second chance. And what's crazy is that every knee will have to bow before God and they could've been with Him, but instead they will have to live eternal life in Hell, and it's not pretty.

check out this video...
http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewke … 131b4f5beb
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you! They simply wish to challenge my faith out of evil. My faith in Jesus can't be taken brother. Thank You!
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
Well marine I am happy that you have found Jesus. and I will do my best to believe in you and what you have said and that you do now believe in Jesus.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You. Remember, you will only believe me if you have faith in what I say. If you use logic, it will tell you different. I have faith in Jesus.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am glad for you, Marine. I hope that you are happy with your faith in Jesus
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Luciendaskyposted 15 years ago
I am not going to lie... I really don't know what to say... except that if it is true it is an amazing transformation...

I hope you are happy with whatever you believe and thank you for sharing it with us... but as Crazd gave you a caution earlier, don't become so diluted that you can't tell the difference between Jesus and yourself

I am sure you won't... you have proven that you are smart in the past... and you will probably remain intelligent
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You!
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
Why do so many refuse Jesus when he died for our sins? All he requires is faith and people hate him for it. Jesus is the way!
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The only thing you have proved Marine is that no one reads forum threads, preferring instead to skim over the first posting and add their two cents - that point is proven and noted.
  
  If anyone actually did bother to read through this mess they would realize we have already exposed your fraud and would stop placing you on a pedestal.
  
  Of course, no one will read this message either - even if you responded to me with a 'great prank, eh?'
  
  I thought the whole 'Christians are blind sheep' argument was just that, an argument ... but I'm beginning to see instead that it's a very powerful observation ... and it deeply saddens me.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You don't know me well. Please take me at my word, I'm not gloating. I do not relish in your sadness and disillusionment. I'm more flabbergasted. This thread has been an eye opener in unexpected ways.
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  wyanjenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You hit that nail right on the head, rmc.
  
  I don't like to see you frowning, yoshi
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  rmcrayne, I was speaking of marinealways24 ... I know you don't share his fun in all of this and you are as much a disillusioned victim as me and some others who have been viewing this with both eyes open.
  
  If you thought I was saying this of you then you were very wrong ... as I respect you too highly to even think you would play along with it. I also saw where you asked him to stop. So I do not see you as a part of what is happening.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No yoshi, I was very clear that you were speaking to marine. I just wanted to comment on what you said. The 'black sheep' observation was particularly compelling. And as a non-believer, I did not want you to think I was gloating. I respect you a great deal as well.
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yoshi97posted 15 years ago
I think what saddens me the most is that those who have been seen as believing the least are asking this all to stop ... to protect those who believe the most ... If it is shepherds that we must be, then so be it ...
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's not faith that should be protected, this is why we have so much separatism and innocent deaths. It is the right to have faith that should be protected, not faith itself.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is the only shephard. He teaches us to rely on him and faith for protection, not other shephards and logic.
  
  Why do you feel the need to protect anothers faith? Faith in Jesus isn't protection enough? With Jesus, all is possible!
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  Evolution Guyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOL
  
  "to protect those who believe the most"?
  
  Dear oh dear.
  
  Come on - most christians are lying when they say they believe - other wise you guys would be setting a good example and everyone would love you. Instead you come across as judgmental, holier-than-thou hypocrites more concerned with spreading your message than behaving like christ.
  
  So - which is it? Are all these so-called christians lying about being a christian or does your belief system really require you to think you are better than everyone else and keep on saying so?
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  SEM Proposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Evolution Guy - if you had any hubs I'd jump right on there to read. Abrasive but true words! Tough love eh?!?
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  SEM, you did say you'd been away for a while? Things are not always what they seem.
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzgreat thread-I'll try hitting it and saving it. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
*HUGS* Marine
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Valerie Fposted 15 years ago
Drop it, Marine. I've read your hub. You've had your sick little joke.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are not very accepting to new believers of Jesus. I appologize if I haven't believed as long as you. All is possible with faith.
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you really believe, then prove it by taking down that hub where you basically admitted this is all some experiment. Faith without works is dead, after all.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you God? Why do I need to prove to you I have faith in Jesus? I thought I could have faith in Jesus without having to prove it to you. Is all not possible with faith?
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because faith without the works to prove it isn't faith at all. It's dead. And dead faith won't do you any good. Drop the joke. You've been found out a couple of times now.
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thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years ago
5...4...3...2...1 PSCYH!

Marine stated 15 minutes ago:
"The only way the faithfull such as yourself will listen is when one says they share the same faith. If someone disagees with their faith, the believer does everything possible to discredit the individual for challenging their faith. The only way a believer will listen to logic is when you say you believe as them. If you didn't limit your mind so much from faith, you would see my logical point of doing what I did. Much can be learned about how logic and faith works. You refuse to learn anything that challenges your faith. Instead, you have an emotional outbreak and cry foul when a believer will constantly lie and be hypocritical to protect faith. What else did I prove? Logic rules over faith for finding truth."

Marine you don't challenge Christians, you try to insult us into submission. And when a Christians refuses to think like you call them names. You wonder why you were treated different before? You took people beliefs and mocked them. You call Christians liars(with no proof) because we don't agree with you, and when we react you are offended or you flee. What if a Christian mocked liberals or gays in the manner you mocked Christians they'd be banned, cursed out, insulted and spit-on to boot, but you get nothing. After calling every Christian ignorant and animals and calling Pam a "pig" you get banned for three days. A Christian stands for the bible they get banned and must ask to be reinstated, that must fair to you, but I’ll let scott defend you. You've proven there are no limits to your disconsolateness.

Sadly, I'm not surprised.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All of that you quoted me on was written before I found faith in Jesus. Why do you constantly challenge my faith?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What 15 minutes ago? please!
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow!!! Non-believers get a 3 day ban, then come back, and believers get banned and have to request re-instatement?!?! That is news. Probably laws against that. (Where's Paul Harvey...)
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
In the case of SpiderPam, again I do forgive her, but she is owned no apology.

Me and her were having a conversation. I made a comment that upset her and contradicted her faith. She took it upon herself to diagnose me with PTSD - Post Traumatic Stress Disorder to discredit anything I said that challenged her faith.

I served 4 years in the Marines to protect her right to believe what she wishes to believe. How does she pay back the efforts? She uses my time in the military to self diagnose me with a mental disorder to keep me from challenging her faith. I asked her how much time she has served for our country to believe what she is free to believe. I didn't get a response from her.

This isn't what Jesus taught me to do to those who have sacrificed for me. We may be reading different bibles.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I read the convo, and you're lying. After calling pam ignorant numerous times she challenged you and couldn’t/wouldn’t answer her questions and you kept repeating the same insults. Since you didn't respond she asked if you have the condition. Having dealt with people who suffer from it I would conclude something similar. She provided stats, but you continued to insult her. You ignored her concerns for you, so you could continue to insult her. Then you went on to claim she abuses her children because she’s a Christian, and you stated she an animal and she and all other Christians should be gotten rid of. I’ll post the entire thing if I must.
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  spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again, I appreciate you and yoshi kinds words, but drop it. God knows all and sees all. Let’s move on please. How's your work coming?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Work's good! Thanks for the link! Funny funny stuff.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good day truth. The exchange, as you describe it, certainly sounds like a hot mess. However…
  
  You indicate you have some experience in mental health matters. Wouldn’t you agree that phrases like “you’re lying”, even if you believe it to be true, are barriers to communication? Likewise calling someone out publically as having a psychiatric disorder.
  
  If I were genuinely concerned about marine or anyone else, and thought they had a DSM psych diagnosis, I would reach out in a private email, and no one else here would know about it. PTSD or any other diagnosis is a private matter. It is not for bombarding a person who may or may not have it.
  
  Secondly, Pam is no novice at dishing it out. Just this week, I casually came across a thread where she was clearly the provocateur. I just had to scratch my head, say to myself “where would you even start” a discussion with someone so committed to such extreme viewpoints?! And I navigated away.
  
  There are believers and non-believers with varying degrees of willingness to “play pretty”. Some lose their cool, and some choose to bait and provoke. And some are complete ladies and gentlemen.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well one thing I have noticed is usually when pam starts a thread it's research and she publishes a hub afterward, but I could be wrong. The thread you are referring to caused her to lose all of her fans and her account was temporarily closed. Has that ever happened to a unbeliever? My guess is heck no. As for mental health I’ve seen ruin people’s lives and marriages, but it’s always starts small, and if she noticed it she had a right to voice it, to call anyone a “pig” is wrong. Why can't you at least admit that much. I'm dropping the pam thing now.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps marine is doing research too. You're dropping it, so you've imposed a barrier to communication. I've already voiced what I think, which is contrary to your opinion, so nothing for me to admit. I agree to disagree.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You for being a logical medium. They will not believe you are a medium, they will say you are taking my side because you are not challenging my faith as they are to protect your belief. I would be surprised if they even read or respond to you. But I thank you for your honesty.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I meant I'll be dropping the pam thing. She ask me to and I respect her wishes. Agree to disagree, sound good. Good day to you, rmcrayne.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please do.
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Valerie Fposted 15 years ago
So you have no fear of the truth, Marine? Tell the truth about your "conversion" and that you're trying to play a lot of well-meaning people for fools.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
Hey Marine,
Keep your eyes on the Lord. I was more ignorant than you before I was saved. I'm still learning- matter of fact. So, I've seen bigger changes. Congratulations, you have warmed my heart today.

Sooner than later.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey sooner, it's a cruel trick.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what do you mean truth? Maybe I should read a little more?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Marine stated about 2 hours ago:
  "The only way the faithfull such as yourself will listen is when one says they share the same faith. If someone disagees with their faith, the believer does everything possible to discredit the individual for challenging their faith. The only way a believer will listen to logic is when you say you believe as them. If you didn't limit your mind so much from faith, you would see my logical point of doing what I did. Much can be learned about how logic and faith works. You refuse to learn anything that challenges your faith. Instead, you have an emotional outbreak and cry foul when a believer will constantly lie and be hypocritical to protect faith. What else did I prove? Logic rules over faith for finding truth."
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is nothing in the world that could be more cruel than a government created belief to group believers into one for control and to rid individuals. It's not about separation of believers and non believers, it's about separation of believers and individuals. With individuals, there are many individual beliefs and obviously less control. With all sharing the same faith and belief, all are controlled. There is no control of individual belief. The bible has nothing to do with creation and everything to do with making you think it defines creation. Of course, you would not believe it without faith.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know what you believe marine. I think you went a little far. that is all.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are wrong. You think I do things in dislike of the religious. I do them in dislike of a government created belief lying to people about a creator simply to establish a government control.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what difference does it make to you? this has personal written all over it. I have gone back now and read it. Something I should have done in the begining.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's personal because you have faith it's personal. I have given a logical explanation. Faith doesn't require reading. Logic does.
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  Anna Erwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So do you still love and accept him now that he has told you the truth?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  of course
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  Anna Erwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can't say I believe you but I do believe you must front whenever possible. Right, it was written.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, that was never written.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is written that people spat on Jesus. They gave Him vinigar when he thirsted, and they ridiculed Him. He asked the Father to forgive them, and He told us to remember that if we feel ridiculed- remember that He was first.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Re-introducing the real marine!
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm confused. What is the government created belief that you are referring to?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Any religion.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Especially yours.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A faithfull response. How is my individual belief a government?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well your religion is not individual by any means many people dislike Christians. Religion is not God, I know you can't understand this so I won't bother. You have faith that the God of the bible isn’t real despite, evidences to the contrary(broken roman seal, bible, Jewish Historians, archaeological evidences, 500 eyewitness accounts) that takes a lot faith. You're quite a fundamentalist.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Keep trying to title me.
  
  It is not faith, it is logic that the God of the bible is not real. Faith is the only thing that makes him real.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just ignore those pesky above facts. Keep the faith!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, those things you wrote make me believe Noah's ark and all of the other faith based stories. Great proof.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I just want to make sure that I understand, you think that a government created any religion? And which religions would those be?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol all of them. A government is not a government without a grouped belief.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So this long thread is basically to let religionists know that they are being controlled by a government?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, the starting goal was to show how faith and logic work. Faith doesn't require logic to believe.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay so I still don't understand. What was the main purpose of this long thread?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't mean to be disrespectful, but are you serious?
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm serious I wasn't paying any attention to this thread until now. So if you could summarize, you'd be doing me a favor.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry, I thought I did explain. The goal was to show the differences between faith and logic.
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  SEM Proposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All that typing for you Derek... to no avail?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Faith is unbreakable, even to logic. Faith is stronger than logic. Faith is what someone wants to believe without requiring any logic. I think I made a point to anyone that has an open mind. I got no where to those that choose faith over logic.
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  SEM Proposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Too many contradictions. Faith without logic is blind - who wants to be blind? You didn't before but seemed stuck in a confused state that there is no logic to religion. Or more importantly, no logic to the manifestations of God and their messages. It's people less loving and full of doubt that screw things up. Don't be blind Derek - find the proof to prove your faith. With that, you will indeed feel remorse for following your ego and needing to be right rather than realizing we're connected. As you go, so go I - unless I've proven what I believe logically. Then I need no rock to stand on for my ego's sake - only to continue to eliminate doubt logically. Did you read the long thread I wrote explaining why I think folks are dissing you?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who said I wanted to be right? I would like to believe a faith so I could be content and believe I have all the answers to life. This is false.
  
  My logical mind tells me I know nothing. Faith tells believers they know all.
  
  It is simple why believers are dissing me, individual ideas challenge their faith.
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did you not read the post directly above your response to SEM? Just when I thought you lost all credibility, you actually lost more.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again, along with faith, you have no understanding of absolutes. I have previously stated that I have no absolute belief except for my family because I have faith my family is absolute.
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nice try at side stepping, but again. EPIC FAIL! You stated, "If I am wrong, show where I am wrong" If you are not wrong then aren't you right?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you always this dense?
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, I'm always this dense M/V. LOL
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is this your answer to proving my statement false? To keep asking questions so you don't have to answer it?
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, this answer is pointing out that you think you are right, but at the same time you claim that you never said you were right. You're trying to play both sides, and you are not very good at it.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can believe something is logically correct without believing it as absolute. Again, you do not understand absolutes.
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again, whatever you have to say to convince yourself you are right. Keep philosophizing and keep searching....
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Final answer?
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, I cannot trust liars. So yes, final answer.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The human being is capable of rationalizing any faith choice. Logic has nothing to do with making a faith choice. If a person can rationalize that 'god' exists, that is the basis for their belief, because they rationalize it be true.
  
  What they don't realize is that their so-called 'rationalize' choice is made irrational, because they go against their own nature as a human being.
  
  Logic is defined by irrefutable facts and ordered reasoning. Faith is not ordered reasoning, because you have to 'leap' to an alternate reality, other than what you're living it.
  
  Hope that helped.
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  SEM Proposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You speak with true tongue dear friend - I've been watching and reading. The logical study I refer to with religion concerns things such as the amazing fact that their prophecies come true, their advice sound (not refering to the misinterpretations and justifications of fanatics). Another example is that if we look logically at where society was as a whole 2,000+ years ago, the stories written by the disciples (although based on control - have we grown?) have merit on many levels. Baha'u'llah's writings are phenominal, as was his history. He had little to no control over where he'd be in his life (imprisonment, exile, poisoned etc.) and it was all foretold in the Bible. The "miracles" that happened even in 1844 were proven, seemingly illogical, but profoundly possible with today's scientific awareness.
  
  God is a word, different in many languages and "faiths". As a person into metaphysics, I prefer today's word of quantum energy yet as a writer, I'm sure you too are aware that the definition of quantum itself is inappropriate the way it is being used these days. Call it energy, call it God, call it logic, call it faith - are semantics ever as important as someone getting out of depression and onto a path where they feel good enough to start giving a damn about themselves and others?
  
  Some say soul travel and transcending time or lives isn't real because we aren't living it. I ask - why not live it? It's fun!
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
I hope not.

Marine, please tell me this is not a joke.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
Ok, I have egg on my face.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't worry about it. How ya been?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good, I've been working on my book alot lately. I like to finish things- so these forums are a tad too time consuming to stop by regularly.
  
  Marine is taking things to a new level huh? Thats a little far in my oppinion. oh well, such is life sometimes.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Glad to hear your book is going well, I concur on the marine issue.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
how have you been?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty good, can't complain. Looking forward to Thanksgiving.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As am I.
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Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago
I have to say I am a little surprised at how long this thread has persisted. marinealways, you are an astounding person, and I will nominate you for an Oscar.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, but I have to give the credit to faith and Jesus.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  now knowing the tone of this thread, one might find that incredibly insulting.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A bomb is neccessary at times. A firecracker doesn't always do the trick.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, lets call it what it is. You crafted a sleezy way to draw people into a discussion so that you could impose your theory one more time. Like the other 50 threads didn't get you point across.
  
  We all know what you believe. Why, because you can't talk about anything else. I should have read the whole thread before I said anything. If you get your satisfaction from crying wolf, that is your deal. But don't impose your ideas in a tastless way- because quite frankly nobody would join you again. Maybe you know that and that is why we all got to suffer this waste of web space.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lol, who have I asked to join me? I am an individual remember, I don't require people to follow me and share my belief as you do. I am not belief dependent. I explained why I did the thread. Yet, your faith believes different.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
I think I just fell off its coat tails.
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poetlorraineposted 15 years ago
wow this thread still going...... have we come to any conclusions, and when we get there will the pubs be open
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  SEM Proposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL!
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
Let this die. What a cry for attention. Truth, flightkeeper- I'll get the door.
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
To any medium reading the thread, notice how the believers now gang up to protect their faith and belief to rid my individual ideas.

They were such nice Christians before they realized I was an individual. Why aren't the christians accepting of me anymore? I thought christians believed in unity, not separatism.
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "The believers" are calling you out, because you lied. It's not about accepting, or not accepting. It's about taking responsibility for what you did.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is what faith is. Lying to yourself for something you want to believe when you logically know it could be false.
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever you have to say to convince yourself you are right is ok with me. Unfortunately, you are the only one who believes it.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Says you.
  
  I believe him, because he is right.
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, you too.
  
  So you don't believe he told a lie?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I believed he had to lie, to make a point, which closed minded people were able to dismiss, because they lack logic.
  
  Wasn't hard to see it.
  
  I'm not blinded by faith in a non-existent mystical power.
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe he had to lie. I don't believe anybody made him do it. I believe he wanted to lie, or at least thought it would be okay for him to lie. And the points he was trying to make are invalid anyway.
  
  If people don't listen to him, it's because he recycles the same religious conspiracy theory so often, it's tired. And now people who are aware of this stunt won't listen to him for another reason as well. He can't be trusted.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  true- I think when you said "Its Tired" is modest. Its exhausted.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have already explained this to you. I appologize you can't comprehend and rather write your faith based assumptions.
  
  If you could comprehend anything logical, you would already see that many things can be learned from this forum. A fellow believer of yours already admitted to learning how blind faith can be. So, your arguement has no bearing. You choose not to learn anything new that challenges your faith.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It wasn't honest- no. "I don't believe anybody made him do it."- that statement is so not even funny. The people who refuse to listen to facts or logic about how they build a belief system is based on false information or misconceptions is WHAT made him do it.
  
  How ever, how is what he did any different than a teacher subjectively using their opinions about history, to distort what is actually written?
  
  Or, historians inaccurately writing history on purpose. Hiding truths, which are discovered years later.
  
  They all do it to drive home a point. And, they feel they are justified it is only one course of action, when all other courses of action have been already dismissed.
  
  Therefore, concludes it is necessary and NOT a choice.
  
  It's basic logic and ordered reasoning, to make a point or to give clarity to those who are clouded.
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, ends-driven morality! It doesn't matter how despicably a person behaves as long as it serves a purpose he at least imagines is good, right?
  
  I don't buy that. It was not a necessity, it was his choice, and I don't think it's right to subjectively distort history, like you have.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your entire history could be an illusion of your faith. You refuse logic to see this.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If I am wrong, show where I am wrong. Don't be content with a faith based comment. I think I just defined logic and faith perfectly in that sentence.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Marine, you are wrong in more ways than are countable.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Another faith based comment with no logical explanation.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have been logical with you in respect to history WORD DEFINITIONS and much much more. In the previous 50 threads that you started. get it?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, you still didn't explain where my statement was wrong.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, It was right after you explained what government started the Christian religion.
  
  Good bye Marine. I cannot continue to go around and you won't drag me down.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I explained this already. Simply because I can't say what specific government started religion doesn't mean it wasn't created for government. Any religion is a government, this is as logical as it gets. You choose faith over logic. Now, answer my question.
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I could care less why you did it,whether or not you are right, or who thinks you are right. All I said was you lied, because you did. Man up, and admit it.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So what- you lie everytime you claim the bible is fact?
  
  What about that?
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Uh, when I have I done that? How old are you...10?
  
  If you have ever read anything I have written I explicitly state science has facts, and the BIBLE has faith. Fortunately, for me, I understand both. Unfortunately, for you, you don't.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you understood both, you would understand that the bible contradicts logic. Faith is religion, logic is science. The 2 don't mix. They contradict each other. To believe both is only done through faith. Through faith, you will believe what you want, not what is logically correct.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you marine
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, all of the thanks is to you for having an individual mind. Some may never find theirs! Cheers to you.
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  ediggityposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh ok. I will gladly accept this, because you have so much understanding of science. I wrote SCIENCE not PHILOSOPHY. LOL
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
All that, just to prove a point and THEY all missed the point.

Now, that's sad.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You for being a logical mind. I agree, it is sad when people are incapable to individualize because of a trained faith.
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
So this whole thread was to prove the the differences between faith and logic and that faith is about lying to yourself because you want to believe when logically it's false.
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poetlorraineposted 15 years ago
i am just a little worried about the baby,,,,,, the dog is far too near it's face for my liking
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
The 'concept' of beliefs, faith and logic?

ALL man-made words.

Defined as is.

To believe in something is to know it's true.

To have faith(mystical) is something that requires no proof.

To logicially think is something that is based on factual evidence.

You are NOT suppose to believe in something that is not real.

It's against your nature!
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
I can't wait for Jesus to return. That is the point you have all made to me. I can't wait for a time when ridicule and arrogance is so fruitful and celebrated, is put to death.

The path is narrow, and the gate even more so.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Does that mean I get to laugh in your FACE when it doesn't happen? I think so.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You get the laugh right up until the end. I know that. Patience of the saints. gritting teeth.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cool. You patiently wait.
  
  I'm going to live my life.
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  SEM Proposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey folks, it's already happened: 1844 in Persia (at the time) just as is written. Just because he came back, doesn't mean everything is all hunky dory - that's an inside job...
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sooner, I came at the tail end of this. You gotta see how funny this is. Marine lied and went through all this effort to try to show christians the error of their ways and still got nowhere.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Faith is bliss. Now team up with your christian buddies to rid the individual.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I really want to laugh but I can't. This thread is an example of Marines character traits, and they are poor.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How many generations have been saying what you are saying? Do you understand the psychology of why it was written? If you are in constant fear of judgment coming, you will constantly have faith. No one is coming to kill us because we don't share your faith. I know it isn't to your liking, but we are humans just as you are.
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
Wow, I'm sorry to say that you behaved like a chump.
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
And he thinks a government created christianity!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Christianity is a government in itself genius. I'm sorry your faith keeps you from having a logical mind to understand this. Faith is blind.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, it's the other way around, believe it or not.
  
  Religious rulers were first before government.
  
  Government was created to deal with the complexity of growing civilizations and to maintain control of the people who didn't believe, as well, as believers who didn't whole-heartedly administer to their religious leaders.
  
  So, now what?
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I know that the Bible is completely against religion and governments being together in one entity.
  
  religiously political governments...
  
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aren't most American presidents voted in Christians? Has there been an Atheist president voted into the presidency? The bible is politics.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The bible is politics. Politics is perception. Perception is skewed by the Bible. The Bible made by man has no facts. No facts means it is not real. Not real means that it does not exist in our reality.
  
  WOW! That was easy.
  
  Just something to add to marines post.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh brother!
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  pylos26posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope...Nope...and Nope...just because a person lays his hand on something called a bible and take an oath does not qualify him as a christain.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who was the last US Atheist president? I didn't say putting a hand on a bible makes them Christian. I said it gets them votes if they make people believe they are Christian or religious.
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
And you think a government created all religions?!?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, are you brilliant! They are both the same thing. I give up on you. Let Jesus have you.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow!
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hahaha, Ok you did make me laugh.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, where do you think it came from?
  
  Man made it up. So, tell me?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cags, you could have a full debate with yourself- and win on both sides. I've seen it a hundred times. I'm sure you will answere all of your questions down the line.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why won't you answer? I'm not trying to bait you.
  
  I want to know if you really know?
  
  Because, I know.
  
  I don't need you tell me anything. I want to know if you actually know the damn truth or not.
  
  If you don't want to share. Then you really don't practice your own faith. Because, you're suppose to be kind to others.
  
  I ask a harmless question and you won't answer it. How pathetic is that? Pretty damn ignorant if you ask me. And, since you didn't I give you my answer anyways.
  
  I refuse to have a battle of wits, with an unarmed person.
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