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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
Faith may be blind but you are ignorant!!!

And I don't care if you report me!
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
Thanks for the laughs!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You create the laughs for yourself. It's really not funny that you have a trained belief. I'm glad you think it is. Bliss is what?
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
I'm sorry sooner I know he lied to you and you believed him, but he's hilarious

I gotta go! See ya later.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  aufiderzein. I'm out too.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
read cags posts as if one of the chipmunks is saying it. beedebeede bedebeeee. beede be? bee? oh beededidy be.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And you claim to be intelligent?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  where did i say that?
  
  I havn't started 50 threads to suggest the idea. ohh say like yourself. .
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How can I claim intelligence when I know nothing in absolutes except for what I have faith in? Your faith believes you know what happens in the afterlife for believing in Jesus. I don't know what happens in the afterlife. I use logic. I haven't died yet.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry, but who was it that started a thread called "how does a religious person contradict having a mind?"
  
  wait- in your own words.
  
  "-How does a religious person contradict having a mind?
  
  How does a religious person or person of grouped belief contradict having a mind?"
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, a mind is born individual to develop an individual belief. When a belief is taught, it contradicts having an individual mind to develop it's own belief. So yes, a religious mind is contradiction to having and using a mind. The mind is trained by religion to have a group belief and the individual minds are forced out of the religion for challenging faith.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well Hell! I'm quiting church they're not eating my brain!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes they are, it's called faith.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They can't catch me I waddle faster than any old brain eater!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are pretty fast for an old guy.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  zing zing
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And your needless point?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh thank you. You're a science guy right? Let me ask ya something.
  If evolution is a fact why have new body plans not developed since the Cambrian explosion?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whether or not, you like what I am about to say, is irrelevant, but I'm going to tell you specifically, straight out truth of the matter. Afterwhich, you will shoot it down. No doubt.
  
  If you're looking for FACTS about Evolution- Look in the mirror.
  
  YOU are walking evidence of Evolution. Your, singular, unique, own consciousness tells you- you are alive.
  
  If mankind hadn't made the evolutionary leap, when it did, we wouldn't be here now.
  
  Mankind was NOT always a conscious race. Science has proven that. We lived by the 'right-side' of the brain for thousands of years, each human was guided by nature.
  
  When society got too big and too complex, some conscious people, realized others were not conscious, so 'religion' was started, so the masses who unconscious or not aware, would seek guidance from a 'god'. This leap of faith in 'god' was made willingly, because the unconscious human needed to break-free of nature's guidance and follow 'god'.
  
  When more and more people began breaking thru to consciousness, they realized that they could guide themselves and didn't require any guidance. When people came to that self-realization, they were considered out-casts, because they thought for themselves.
  
  Just like you do now.
  
  Why do people have to suffer? In order to believe in 'god', because those who are in power control the wealth and can do whatever they want to and there isn't anyone to stop them.
  
  Those who have wealth are not interested in whether or not their actions are right or wrong. They don't answer to anyone and they know it!
  
  You keep your belief, based on your faith. Just remember, what you support?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don’t know whether to laugh or laugh harder. Thanks for proving you have more faith then I'll ever need.
  
  So does saying "science has proven that" without sources make it fact?
  
  So you have faith(because you weren’t there) that people walked around not knowing they were human, and through some miracle found out the were human and built the pyramids and spoke Aramaic and Greek
  
  You might want to into something called Molecular Machines and Irreducible Complexity.
  
  “They used religion to control the masses” Did it work, does it work? No. Why? Free Will. We have law now to keep people from doing evil. Are we crime free? Nope.
  
  Christians are persecuted because darkness hates light. Plain and simple.
  
  Besides being wrong about everything let me point this out every culture had a god of some sort. It’s just God of the bible is the only one you deny which makes Him the only real one. You can’t deny was isn’t there.
  
  Jesus lived, died and rose whether I have faith or not those are the facts(I cited them earlier).
  
  You must understand is that you were not at the beginning neither was I. We both have interpretations of the same facts But I also have the bible(before you say it has no facts read it) eternal-productions dott org/1 0 1science. html
  
  Dr. Nelson Glueck, perhaps the utmost modern authority on Israeli archeology, said: "No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."
  
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  Fossil evidence of human evolutionary history is fragmentary and open to various interpretations. Fossil evidence of chimpanzee evolution is absent altogether.
  Henry Gee(evolutionist)
  
  was darwin right dott com
  
  You can deny all the facts by faith, or you can start doubting your doubts.
  
  btw you didn't answer my question, not to bright.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  “They used religion to control the masses” Did it work, does it work? No. Why? Free Will. We have law now to keep people from doing evil. Are we crime free? Nope.
  
  It didn't work because people individualized rather than followed. It is irrational for anyone to expect everyone to have the same belief. In saying this, your bible god is irrational. If your bible god intervened on sinners, we wouldn't need jails. God would kill them like he did in the bible.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well if God wiped out all evil He might start with you or me, because we have all broken His law.
  
  So you're telling there are no criminals just individuals who don't want to follow the law so they break it
  
  So we shouldn't have prisons or a justice system if you break the law you get a trophy that reads individual?
  
  That’s where your “logic” lead you.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Did I write all that or did your faith write that? You want to ask me a question and let me answer or continue your faith based assumptions of what my answer will be?
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Keep the faith marine you're doing great!
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pylos26posted 15 years ago
Only a fool would run for the presidency and not claim some sort of religion...
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why?
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  pylos26posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  cus he would'nt get but 3 votes.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why, because he would have an individual belief and would have no followers?
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
Here is a chilish emotional reaction of a believer when someone challenges their faith. There is no logic in an emotional reaction as the faithful believer clearly shows.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/27504
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
Did Jesus request followers or individuals? He requested followers.

Are leaders followers or individuals? They are individuals.

A person that follows anothers belief their entire life will never lead their individual belief. This is a logical fact.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now you are just trying to make the word "individual" look better. sorry- still not working.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Great response.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Trying to make the word 'individual' look better.
  
  Don't you believe in an 'individual' god?
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yoshi97posted 15 years ago
Wow! This would have made one hell of a hub (please forgive the pun).

Unfortunately, the clinker is Marinealways24, to a certain degree, proved his point. Allow me to explain, but first let me say that I think it is a travesty to play with the faith of others to make a statement, but it's a further travesty when that statement begins to prove itself true.

Hogwash, you say? I only wish that were so.

A man we have known to attack the beliefs of others posts a thread saying 'I have been saved' and many believers swoon to congratulate him while the non-believers say it can't be so.

The believers then attack the non-believers for not having faith in this miraculous transformation and insist that the non-believers can't believe it happened because they lacked faith.

Of course, some of the non-believers were just as blind, saying it couldn't be so, but only because of past performance ... so both sides were operating on faith ... faith that a man can change and faith that a man can't.

What has been proven today isn't that believers or non-believers are blind, but that faith in blind. We believe in things without ever asking proof - through our hopes and fears - without once considering a need for proof.

That's the problem with faith. Granted, it's defined as a belief in something without conclusive proof, but that feat need not be mind.

Some believers and non-believers smelled a rat and looked for proof. They did not believe blindly and chose to have proof that the change did occur ... thus blind faith is a trait shared by believers and non-believers alike, which is also shakeable by rational thought on both sides of the equation.

We all want to believe or disbelieve in something so strongly that our beliefs become unshakable, but such belief comes at a price - in this case, the many who are now embarrassed that they could not see or prove the truth sooner.

All through this thread various people pointed out the truth, and yet, it went ignored - or defied - does faith teach you to disbelieve the words you chose not to hear? Faith was never meant to be so blind.

Faith IS a belief in something without a need for proof, and wisdom is knowing that your faith is unfounded unless you are willing to question it daily. And no, this is not disbelief, this is proving your faith by finding no means to disprove it.

That sounds like a circular argument, but I'll offer an example to explain.

You are told that your neighbors dog is friendly and would never hurt a fly. Everyone tells you this and you watch others walk up and pet the dog without getting bit. However, the dog growls when you approach, and you have never seen the dog growl at any other.

Do you blindly approach and allow the dog to bite you? Faith mandates that you must, but wisdom tells you to approach with caution, testing the outcome with each step.

And what if the dog doesn't bite you? Then your faith is proven and you can relish in the fact that you were not wrong for your belief.

And what if the dog tries to bite you? As you proceeded with caution, you avoided injury, and you are now aware of what blind faith can do to you.

Never believe in anything blindly ... not God, not evolution - nothing. Question everything and accept what you constantly can not disprove, for those things must be true. As for those things you can disprove, know those things to be false and see yourself as being wise for learning something new.

As for the old 'does God really exist' question ... I have a definitive answer. For those who believe, he exists ... because your belief makes him very real. To say he exists for someone who doesn't believe means you never understood the concept.

It says in the Bible that God turns his back on those who chose not to believe in him, so disbelief nullifies God's existence for those who don't believe - both figuratively and literally.

So the hard lesson given here is that we should never believe anything blindly ... we should only believe that which we can adequately prove to our own suffice. So, if you have seen many miracles that you attribute directly to God, then you would be a fool not to believe - and if you have seen many miracles happen which you can ascribe to natural causes, then you can cite those other sources as the cause.

Religion is about converting people to your beliefs, and this definition applies to God, Jesus, politics, believers, disbelievers and governments.

Where one party rules the beliefs of others you have established a religion - and where one man (or woman) rules over their own belief you have established wisdom.

That's not to say following a religion is a bad thing ... it's to say that it's a bad thing to give up your individual thoughts to believe only what you are told to believe.

God gave everyone the capacity to think for themselves ... more of us need to exercise this right, with the outcome being a world where people participate with their own thoughts, rather than express the will handed to them from the next person above them in the human thought chain.

Marinealways24s experiment was a bit cruel, but in so many ways he proved his point right. It's a hub we all wrote together and I do hope we all learned this ... We are not sheep to be led blindly by a shepherd ... we are sentient beings, capable of seeking the truth for ourselves and capable of accepting the truth when it is handed to us.

As such, we need to be individuals, not mindless automatons, seeking truth in all we believe and being comfortable enough in our own truth that we need not feel the need to force it upon anyone else.

There is no universal truth ... heartbreaker ... I know ... every man and woman has a different truth to their life, and we grow by accepting this and learning to respect the truth of others ...

And am I angry with Marinealways24 for what he has done here? I'm disappointed with his approach, but it was never him I was angry with. I was actually angry with the many who followed this thread blindly, never once seeking any actual truth. You stuck to your beliefs when you should have been seeking proof ... and faith without proof lacks wisdom.

So, what can we all learn from this?

Faith might move mountains, but wisdom tells us which mountains we can move. We need to all stop thinking it is wrong to question our beliefs and the beliefs of others. How else can we ever arrive at the truth if we are too afraid to explore?

Never accept another man's truth ... always seek your own ... only then will you achieve true wisdom.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Very Well Written. I thank you for having an open mind to learn from the forum as I have learned from it as well.
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm always willing to listen to (and learn from) something new. I just found it a bit tactless to learn from the guile of others ... but, perhaps, some might learn from all of this ... making it not such an evil thing.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The only way some will open their mind is if they have faith you agree with their belief. The only thing pointless is something nothing is learned from. So it is a logical fact that nothing is pointless when everything and anything can be learned from. How much does faith prevent some from learning new things?
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please don't mistake my acceptance as approval. I accept that you have made your point, but I disapprove of your method. Again, writing a hub would have served the purpose without making fools of many good people.
  
  You speak of individualism being a good thing, and it is. It's individualism that tells me that I believe it is unacceptable to turn a person's belief upside-down to prove a point.
  
  And did this serve to destroy anyone's faith? Not mine ... As it only strengthened mine by reminding me that there are those who will play the crowd to deceive them and we must always be on the lookout for those people, regardless of how sincere they might appear to be.
  
  If anything, it eroded your own, as you directly strung the faith of others, becoming the one part of religion you hate the most. You stole individualism from them by constantly pleading with them to believe in you and making those who disbelieved feel inadequate in their beliefs.
  
  To make them see your ways, you had to serve that which you have fought against ... sapping breath from any victory you might have felt in the end.
  
  This is why I repeatedly asked you to stop, as I could see where the road would end. With no gained satisfaction ... just disillusionment ... You have won nothing ...
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did I claim to win anything? Where did I say I was on a goal to destroy faith.
  
  I said I wanted to show the difference between logic and faith which is clearly shown throughout the thread. If I made people think, was it really pointless? Only if they dislike thinking because it challenges faith. To the faithful I made think, I appologize.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yoshi I appreciate and respect so much of what you’ve said here and elsewhere. I’d become your fan all over again.
  
  I would never do anything remotely close to what marine has done. I could not pull off the deception per my own code of behavior and I have no “poker face”, not even in print. My code however did not prevent me from obsessively following the thread.
  
  For myself, I never believed for 1 second that marine converted. I think this was probably the prevailing thought among non-believers, and part of marine’s point. I looked at his Hubtivity, and I tracked him down on his recent hub and quickly found his comments to confirm that he was indeed the same marine. He and I conversed there, in black and white for anyone to see.
  
  Some referred to those hub comments in their thread posts. Some even printed transcripts in their posts. Then, one of the most interesting things of all [to me], believers continued to embrace marine’s “conversion”, with all of this evidence to the contrary swirling above and below their congratulatory posts! It found this both uncomfortable and fascinating to watch.
  
  So aside from marine’s experiment with belief vs non-belief, and logic vs faith, what does this tell us about people’s forum post habits? Are many of those people really having a conversation with us?
  
  I’m not saying I approve either, but these lessons could not be taught in a hub. I’m not trying to put words in your mouth yoshi, but I think from what you’ve written, I could say we both still like marine, warts and all. That’s what friends do.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You. I like the both of you as well and have a ton of respect for your honesty in being mediums in the thread. I also like all of the religious, even though they think I am unequal for having an individual belief.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They don't think you're unequal they just think you're an untrustworthy liar and swindler.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You aren't a separatist and don't believe I am unequal to you? Come on Christian, lets see if your faith allows you to be honest. Answer my question instead of writing silly emotional comments.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dude, I haven't thought about you at all! You did hurt my friends so now I don't think you're all that great. What you did was so pointless. You really wanted to prove to everybody how right you are. Well you can think that in your head. Good for you that you have an individual logical mind, I hope it brings you everything you've ever wanted.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I notice you still fear to answer questions as you just showed.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No fear, I don't have to answer your questions. My faith is my own and I don't have to explain it to you or anybody. Why you think I have to answer to you is a mystery to me. What happened, did you find out that there was no Santa Claus and that traumatized you at three. Get over yourself!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, simply refuse to answer to protect your separatist faith.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever dude
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for appreciating my warts.
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  Rick Marlowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What a mouthfull Yoshi,excellent.That`s worthy of a state of the union address.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  You get ***** for this one I'm goina copy print and hang it on a wall
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believeinhimposted 15 years ago
I'm happy you are saved! It's a wonderful thing to accept Jesus in your heart. Yeah! You can let others know on the forum. It's okay with other believers.
God bless you and Congrats!
believeinhim
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You brother! Praise Jesus!
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Hey Marine! Glad to see you on the high road. More suckers here than in a sweet shop!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol How have you been Earnest. Haven't talked to you since the ban. Faith never swallows.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I dunno about that! I see some have taken large gulps.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol True
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
What's up Earnest?

How are you today?
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
@thetruthhurts

I've read the bible 3x. And, it's gets funnier the more I read it, because I know it's history book and mythology book.

Apparently, you don't.

That's fine. I gave you whaat you wanted.

Btw- How has science NOT defined mankind's brain or where it was evolved to? Look up the research if you have the nerve.

It's been done. I found it, you can find it. But, since you have faith in what you think you know, you'll be blinded for life, if you don't search.

Jesus was a free thinker in his own right. You might consider that?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  last time you said you read the bible it was 20X.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Find it! Back it up!
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean those drawings of hairy men with fancy guesses under them with their faith. No thanks I don't have enough faith for that. Glad to hear you bought it.
  
  Where are all these facts you keep preaching about? All I got from you was deny, ignore, deflect, and ridicule. But no facts, I gave you facts, sources, sites, and quotes to boot.
  
  You are becoming more like marine every post! Congrats
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have never bought or purchase a bible in my life. I have been given one- after my confirmation, by my priest. And, I have one that was given to me by my mother.
  
  Why do I keep them? To translate. Why else?
  
  I've already seen thru the hoax, known as 'government' and 'religious belief' promoted by the bible.
  
  So, I do understand- I was catholic for most of my life. Only up to a several years ago, when I finished my own research and put it all together.
  
  You give me facts? Anything you pull out of the bible or any form of religious scripture you can utter isn't a factual piece of evidence.
  
  If you want facts- look up what 'bi-cameral' means. You'll find out that is our brain, specifically the 'ride-side' of our two-chambered brain. The 'left-side' is where we get our logic, reasoning, rationale and sanity from.
  
  The historical research, combined with all other science fields, proved proof 'god' does not exist. If you don't want to see it, then don't. Waste your life hoping you're right.
  
  If you would like some more facts-
  
  There is also historical research on hand-writing from the time of Jesus, proved there to be a difference between an unconscious person formatting letters and a conscious person doing it. This proves NOT all humans were conscious sentient beings. There were thousands, upon thousands, of people who were guided by nature.
  
  How were they guided by nature? By images in their 'right-side' of their brain.
  
  You can say what you want- I can't change what you think, I can only point you in the direction to find the facts you want.
  
  You are only going to change your mind, when you have all the facts finally straightened out.
  
  So, with that said. Enjoy.
  
  But, if you don't want to lose your faith. I suggest you don't do the little research I've given.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You were a Catholic. Oh man now it's makes sense, it's just sad
  
  I didn't used the bible once. I used facts.
  
  Bicameralism is a hypothesis that cannot ever be proven it's bad guesses and futile thinking. What is it with you guys and Dawkins.
  
  If you going to try and discredit early writers, it's not just Christian you'll have to convince, you can start with trying to convince paleontologists and archeologist, historians, scholars and other people much brighter than you. I can't change your mind nor do I intend to, You just choose to deny facts by faith then point the figure at Christians and you deliberately avoid any questions that really stump you. Must be bliss. I don't have that much faith in the world.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And, you know what? It takes more faith to believe in something that isn't real than it does to believe in your fellow human being.
  
  And, since your attitude is as it is, no wonder why society falling apart.
  
  How pathetic for you.
  
  As, for Darwin, I'm much deeper than that. But, you wouldn't know anything about that.
  
  Scholars, historians, even many of the others you've mention- are all human beings and not stupid- they knew where the power and wealth comes from. So, who's kidding who?
  
  You look at society- you see dirty, filthy, murdering, worse people you could ever imagine. And, won't do anything to change it.
  
  I see people(human beings) who are misguided and don't know any better, and I'm trying to help.
  
  So, Who is actually helping to better or society?
  
  Me!
  
  And, if you don't like what I do for my purpose in life, then why don't sit in a corner and suck on a lollipop. Because, you are no different than the people I am trying to help.
  
  So. With that said. I'm finished with this thread.
  
  Thank you Marine. I appreciated the comic relief. Most of it was funny. But only because I know what I know, I guess.
  
  Later people.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did I even mention Darwin? No. You must be tired. Instead typing nonsense open your wallet and give and help those in need. Or that just a Christian thing? I don’t think so. That's right you just ignore all my refutations and facts you just pick and choose what to respond to. Pitch a fit and rant rant RANT! I should thank you for ignoring my questions and making me laugh. It’s been real.
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SirDentposted 15 years ago
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

You know, you can have your fun all you want. It only goes to show who you really are. You are not a man but a child. You are a liar. One thing is for certain. You will call upon the Lord for real one day. It is your choice when it happens. There is still time now.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You can call on faith all you would like. This is your freedom of belief. I will never call on the bible when it is meant to destroy individual thought.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is your choice to do as you please. I have never taken that choice away from anyone, nor have I tried. Just remember that each choice you make has consequences.
  
  The Bible does not take away individual thought. For a man who blows his own horn as much as you do, you should know this. The Bible as a whole is what connects individuals to God. It is a relationship as a son or daughter with their Father.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am a bastard child. I have no father. I lead myself by faith in myself and family. I do not depend on a book to define my individual faith. People were meant to individualize and lead, not follow and submit. I define my belief, not a government.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What exactly makes a great leader?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A person that teaches themselves and teaches others followers to lead themselves. A bad leader is a leader who teaches followers to follow their entire lives.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I disagree with your summation. How can a person teach themself?
  
  Only those who truly know how to follow can become grat leaders.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True, a person must learn to follow before learning to lead. This doesn't mean the person should be trained to follow their entire lives.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK. We are not talking about following George Custer. The One I follow is the creator of everything. How can a person go wrong by doing so?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think they can go wrong if they have developed an idea through individual belief. I simply disagree with a taught belief that is meant for control rather than truth.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Let me see if I can get this right. It is OK to follow someone who leads rightly as long as they keep their individuality?
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If everyone is to individualize and "LEAD" who is left to lead? If you do lead someone that would take away their individualism, would it not?
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I score that one a 15 on the Richter scale. Perhaps it's better that we lead ourselves and look onto the success and failure of others as advice.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's where Integration comes in.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. This is why a government must have followers. If a government was only consisted of individuals, it wouldn't be a government. There would be no followers for the government to lead or do the governments work.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So who would you lead? You claim that men should become leaders, but if all become leaders no one is left to lead.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I lead myself. I am not power hungry to control people. I have never asked for anyone to believe the same as me or follow my belief. You mean if all become leaders, no one is left to follow. This is true. This is why grouped belief was created, to create followers and get rid of individuals. Followers are dependent on a leader or leaders, individuals lead themselves.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Logically, even if you lead yourself, you are also a follower. You are also a government albeit a dictatorship.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Explain.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You lead yourself. A follower follows a lead. You follow yourself. Since noone elxse has any control over anywhere you are led to, you dictate your own self. This makes you a dictator.
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think I can help with this one ... it's like in the military code of honor ...
  
  You are to obey all orders given to you by your superior officer. However, if you are ever given an order that goes against the code of the military you are to disregard that order or be held in contempt against the military.
  
  So ... if your commander tells you to burn down a village of defenseless people, you are to disregard that order and reoprt your commander to his superior.
  
  Your morals should guide you on what to follow and what not to, right?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or conscience. Everyone has a conscience. Not everyone has a bible or parents to teach conscience. Most of us learn from our mistakes and the burden that weighs on us when we make a decision against our conscience. A conscience doesn't require following it's entire life.
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  aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying that a conscience is only useful in early stages of life, to be disregarded later in life?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not at all. I'm saying that a persons conscience can be self taught rather than be taught by others for a persons entire life.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  According to your statement, Marine, anyone can teach their own conscience to do whatever they want to do no matter what it is. I am sure Ted Bundy taught his consience that it was OK to murder girls then have sex with their bodies for days afterward.
  
  Where do morals really come from?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure where morals come from. Maybe they came by learning from contradictions. Murder is obviously a contradiction to life. The Ted Bundy example has no bearing. There have been many preaches who have molested little kids. Where were their morals and conscience that they have been taught? Again, I believe a conscience should be educated until it can teach and educate itself. Not for a persons entire life.
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  I cannot defend those who abuse children. The Ted Bundy example was over the top a little maybe, but the point was made. According to what you wrote, his conscience led him to do what he did. If his consience taught him that it was right to fo, is it not the same?
  
  The Bible says the laws of God are written on the hearts of every man. We know that it is wrong to murder, cheat, steal lie, etc. . . This knowledge is internal.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Everyone has a different conscious. For a divine being to expect every conscious to be the same is irrational when all have an individual mind and belief. You say that "we" know it is wrong to murder. Not true. If a child is raised from birth and taught it is good to murder those of a different faith, the child will murder with a clean conscience unless he individualizes from the conscience he was taught. On bundy, I think he is already dead. If he were still alive and you were his judge, what would his sentence be?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. But, I still pay taxes to a government, so how free can I be? Simply because I pay taxes to my government doesn't mean I have to believe or have faith in my government. Do you have more faith in yourself or your politicans? I have more faith in myself. Also, being my own dictator doesn't mean I am closed to learning from others.
  
  I'm off to sleep, thanks for the conversation.
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  yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good night Marine ... you can be a bad puppy, but somehow I get the feeling your heart is in the right place ... call it instinct if you will. Rest well.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I pray the Holy Ghost disturbs Marine's sleep tonight.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will pray for him. Gn
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I try to keep it in the right place. I do have a family to provide faith for and in. Thank You for the conversation. Gn.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
ohh boy. It never ends.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are right. It doesn't end. I don't submit to believing what people tell me to as you do.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yawn
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yoshi97posted 15 years ago
Then, is it safe to say that an individualist chooses who they will follow?
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quietnessandtrustposted 15 years ago
Really? You have? Where is your evidence sir?

Exactly what have you been forgiven for?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My sins! Jesus granted me eternal life through forgiveness of my sins! My evidence? The bible and faith.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You will be tested on this "claim to faith"
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  Rick Marlowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently you missed the whole post and I saw last night where you came in at the end.It was all a big joke Quietness.Just another ploy by Marine to discredit the faith.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I know that sir, I am just here to tell him that he does not understand the test of faith and he thinks logic is tested and faith is not.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just like your faith teaches you to lie about believing the bible.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol You already are and have been judging. Maybe you will be judged as well for refusing you believed the bible when I asked you in a previous conversation weeks ago.
  
  After analyzing the thread, it seems like a lot of you believers are very hypocritical or haven't read the bible enough.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  True enough. Plus, their own interpretations are perceived wrong.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, the faith created illusions! lol
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you were "3/4 of the way through" for the first 2 months I was here. You have spent thousands of hours in here, have a newbie and expect me to believe that you have read it. I don't think so.
  
  Am I the only one getting tired of this cheerleaders self promoting agenda. he is legendary alright.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Self-guidance is the best guidance one could ask for, but guidance from others isn't guidance but control."
  
  To understand the difference is to know or learn true knowledge.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I very much agree with that. It's hard not to agree when it is logically correct. The only way I would belive it false is through faith.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll agree.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is how religions are built. Get 2 individual minds or more together that come to logical agreement, then start getting followers to do all of their work.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That would the be exact definition for manipulators or cheaters.
  
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  or politicians or governments. lol
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Still testing me to see if I had read the bible? Faith doesn't require testing. Logic does. Are you lacking faith in me?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obviously you have NOT read these...and your argument just fell apart...you do NOT understand faith...you are quite good, no great, at mocking it.
  
  You make a fool of yourself stooping to this level, you are a disgrace to the Marine Corp
  
  2 Corinthians 13:5
  "Examine yourselves to see if your faith is really genuine. Test yourselves. If you cannot tell that Jesus Christ is in you, it means you have failed the test."
  
  1 John 4:1
  "Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world."
  
  So just laying claim to faith means nothing without passing the test of faith !!!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol who are you to judge me or the Marine Corps? Did Jesus teach you to judge? I don't think you have read your bible very well.
  
  They said to challenge faith within the belief. Not to challenge faith of the belief. I want no part of your separatist Jesus. Life is a test in itself, it is supposed to be hard. Not handed to you in a book of belief. You obviously haven't read the bible enough if you feel you are Godly enough to judge me.
  
  Does it take faith or logic to believe in your silly prophets? Faith is believing in their miracles from what the bible trains you. Logic would be the prophet perfoming a miracle before your eyes.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
It is not hard to understand why people do not want to er-examine their core beliefs. We should all do that from time to time.
Christians should find THE source of their faith.
Was it handed to us all wrapped up with a bow on top??? or did we build it ourselves ??
It is possible that religiosity built a statue and called it faith in God. We should examine anything that has as much effect upon our eternity as this issue does.
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  Rick Marlowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent Jerami,We need to examine everything we believe because for believers,our eternal peace depends on it.WE BETTER KNOW, as Paul said,Whom we have believed in,and am persuaded He is able......Right?
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like a wise choice.
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Bukolaloveposted 15 years ago
It is good to be saaved and have a daily walk with God.
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  Rick Marlowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good morning Miss Bukolalove.I don`t start my day without the Lord.I`ve got to be pointed in the right direction first.Bless you.
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quietnessandtrustposted 15 years ago
People have already told me privately that they feel he crossed the line, lost credibility and violated decent moral character by stooping this low.

And they are not even believers. They just said they would not do such a thing and make themselves look like a total ass.
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  Rick Marlowposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I just wasn`t sure you were aware.I watched the farce from the outset.I told him about the 4th or 5th post that I smelled a rat.Discernment is a gift God gave me a long time ago and it works real quick with me.He did not offend me but it was obvious he did some.I hope he proved his point or found his answer,at least privately for himself.Too bad he`s not a believer.What an asset he`d be.Relentless.I`d want him in my squad if we were in combat.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would not want him in my foxhole because he is wishy washy!!!
  
  He does not have a mind like an adamant flint.
  
  He would have wrung the bell at Coronado.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What are your faith based assumptions put togethter on? Who is the weak mind, me or you? You are dependent on a group taught belief, I am not. Strengthen your mind before you claim another weak minded with no logic. Your faith based assumptions make you a hypocrite.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Rick,
  
  But not of nothing. The highlight section of your statement is showing a little of your ignorance or blindness. I understand Marine is always 'relentless', as you say- But, to suggest that you would want him or anyone else, by your side in combat, who can't be trusted? Makes me wonder about your way of thinking or rationale that justifies a specific position.
  
  I wouldn't want him next to me in combat, because I wouldn't know whether or not, he would shoot me on purpose, only to make it seem like something else. Not to mention, he could shoot himself and make his way home and leave you empty.
  
  I'm sorry. I disagree.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ya
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The ones with blind faith are the ones that expose themselves. All I had to do was give them something to believe. The most faihfull are the most belief dependent.
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
How many times can one be saved?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As often as one can use their imagination with a different justified position.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Depends on how much faith they have and how often they ask for forgiveness.
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
To all of the assumptive believers who have so much guiding faith, what is my belief of a creator?

You wouldn't stop to ask that because you write me off as an atheist to protect your faith dependent belief. This is how your minds work. Don't ask questions, just have faith in something and believe what you want to believe. So faithful ones, what is my belief? Do I believe in creation or no?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe its just me, but people already see you as a self promotional troll way out in left field. I'm not just speaking for myself when I say "nobody cares".
  
  why don't you start 50 threads on it until someone bites.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now you don't care.
  
  You cared when you had faith I had the same religious belief as you.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
28 corrective comments, coming up.

Peanut butter and jelly time.

hit it.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
"You cared when you had faith I had the same religious belief as you."

thats because you 'realized' your arrogance. so i thought.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you realize your arrogance? I'm not the one that claims to know what happens when I die. Your faith does. Who is the arrogant one? My belief doesn't assume. Your belief is built on faithful assumptions.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
peanut butter jelly time.
peanut butter jelly time.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
peanut, peanut butter and jelly.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What?? Are you imitating the commercial?
  
  Pea-nut, peanut butter. Jelly!
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh, nope thats a good one. thanks for adding
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
The names Butter. Peanut Butter.

duh dep de dummmmmm - (insert james bond music)
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
Notice, the believer did not comment. Simply refuse to answer. Anything to protect faith.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
How thin can you spread peanut butter? peanut butter and jelly that is.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I try to save as much as of it as I can I'm killin myself over here
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
whew, saved my first draft - now I'll have it forever whew!
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
So in other words marine you lied to us?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Consider it a learning experience.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  consider it saved peanut butter
  
  you ready to go girl?
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I consider it a slap in the face!
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I consider it a dramatic act that worked? You got all this attention for being saved by some dude who's name was Christ and he didn't even get to eat any peanut butter
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you now attacking me, lyric or what?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hahaha. "tools" are in the shed. Ope, monkey wrench got out. anyone seen it.
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
Can peanut butter last forever?
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  bloodnlatexposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, but honey can
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  unless pooooooo is around.
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  bloodnlatexposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well that goes without saying
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess that would depend?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hey jelly- how you been?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What's up Sooner?
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
I think if Jesus himself came and slapped faithful believers in the face saying "I am not son of God", they would still believe he is son of God.

Amazing how when I asked the question in another thread "Is Jesus or Christians separatist" Only one believer "Rick" was honest enough to admit yes, The christian religion is separatist.

The christian belief separates believers from non believers. It says it in your book of belief from Jesus himself. So, Jesus was a separatist.

If you accept your belief, accept that it is a separatist belief. If you are honest and admit you are a believer, be honest and admit that you are a separatist.

There is no unity or equality in your separatist belief. Your belief is not divine.

Is this logical or faith based?
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus spanked or slapped?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He taught to turn the other cheek. Somthing many faithful believers have forgotten as shown.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  which cheek by the way?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All of them. lol
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  For why is not to matter.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  good save
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No wonder. I have been saying it all along and the actions of the believers now hold what I said true.
  
  Their direct actions against you simply proves I was CORRECT about Jesus' work being out of context and those who have read it make a huge leap of assumption, to form a judge, for which they are told not to make.
  
  Go figure.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Still no response from a faithful believer on this post. They would rather run circles and protect faith rather than admit they are in a separatist belief.
  
  I thought Jesus taught honesty.
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
Bring it my leader
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
Save me I have no milk and a mouth full of peanut butter
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  bloodnlatexposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I've got some milk for you
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
It's so ON!
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
I'm done with this thread...thanks marine for slapping me in the face
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You really don't get it. Do you?
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Cagsil I do get it but Marine knows that I too am a believer and to me it is a slap in the face. I am open midned but when someone pulls a stunt like this it really pisses me off
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The only way a believer will listen to logic is when you show the psychology of faith. Some still refuse to accept logic.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I can understand your anger, but you have to see past your anger, by being logic to see his results proved out right.
  
  I realize you're an extremely talented, wholesome person and you like to be honest- but, unfortunately in this case, it was a requirement, per se, to be dishonest or even 'out of context', as perceived.
  
  It explains blind faith in the 'bible' or religious text. Which is out of context on purpose, so people have to make a blind leap of faith in something that isn't rational, sane or logical.
  
  If you open yourself to realize, it isn't 'god' you're to follow, but your own mind, conscience and subconscious. You are NOT in need of an external authority for yourself.
  
  The fact that you do think you do, is a Psychological problem. And, YES - I said problem. Because it is a problem and has extremely detrimental effects on your life, which you don't see.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well written, I agree. Thank You for being an honest medium in the forum.
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  chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying that believing in the Bible and God has detrimental affects on ones life?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Believe it or not. YES, it is.
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  chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess I have just failed to see how my life has been more messed up since I've been a follower of Christ. hmmmmm....I just dont agree, as I am sure you knew that.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am sure, but see the explanation I gave to Crazdwriter in a post. You'll understand more.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will say it. A person may live their entire lives never realizing they have an individual mind due to a follower taught belief. The faith isn't taught to give individuals something to believe now is it? The faith is taught to give followers something to believe. Belief = Control.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then you don't know me at all!
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Crazd,
  
  Don't get upset. Get past your anger. If you can't get past your anger, then that alone is going to be detrimental to your life. What you're refusing to understand that if you spend your entire life believing in something that is NOT in reality.
  
  It is going to kill you quicker than if you live in reality 100% of the time. Your brain isn't designed to handle the abuse you're putting it through.
  
  Your brain is two-chambers, a left side and a right side. When these are unbalanced, as your belief in god makes, because when you think about god, it sends confusing messages to your left side can not understand or comprehend.
  
  Therefore there is a conflict, which can stress or depress you and cause a wide range of other issues.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jelly here is saying crazd needs to work things out. what an oxymoron.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again you don't know me at all. Stop telling me stuff because you don't know how my brain works. so Cagsil stop lecturing me about things when I'm not like you. Believing in God doesn't send confusing messages to my left side at all. i don't just believe in God...I believe in a lot of things and I do think logically. You can ask Marine that I am a very open minded person who knows that the bible is just a book of stories but I do still believe in Jesus Christ and God.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  there's no getting through to peanut butter or jelly crazd. Its more fun to take a jab here and there and watch the two make 50 more posts together.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It wouldn't take 50 if your faith filled mind could comprehend the first 5.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You know, you read what I posted, but you didn't read what I posted. You selectively took what you wanted from what I said.
  
  Nice. But, not a surprise. By the way- YES I do know how your brain works- it works in the same manner as ALL other humans. You think your are any different.
  
  Humans are humans. We are ALL the same biologically.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Everyone may have been made biologically the same but it's not true about how one thinks. Stop lecturing me cagsil yu have lost respect from me by saying that i have a problem and lecturing to me about things you don't understand mainly about me.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's your skewed perception of my actions, that you see this as an attack? How does that make any sense?
  
  I'm not attacking you or your belief. I am trying to make you understand the underlying consequences of your actions which you don't see.
  
  I lost your respect, by what I've said. So be it. If that's how you feel.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil, I agree with you a lot, but all brains DO NOT work the same. It's one of the things that makes us interesting and infuriating as humans.
  
  And saying someone has a PROBLEM is almost always going to be taken personally and feel like an attack. If a person has PTSD, a PROBLEM or whatever, you don't out them publically. If you're concerned for them, you contact them privately. Otherwise it seems like baiting...
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am glad to see you agree with some of what I said.
  
  And, you're statement about our brains "DO NOT" work the same, is absurd. Each brain is exactly the same. How they work is the same. How they are designed is the same. How they form thoughts are the same.
  
  So, what is different exactly?
  
  Your own thoughts, perceptions and a variety of other things.
  
  But, the human brain is the human brain.
  
  See, you are stepping in the same direction that many generations have bought into- psychology doesn't work. When in fact- psychology is exactly HOW people build a faith in 'god', which they cannot see, taste, touch, feel, smell or hear.
  
  It's the mind, being confused and not differentiating between reality and non-reality. So, please...if I wanted to attack someone, you should read some of my other posts, before you consider what I say, as an attack.
  
  If you take it as an attack, per se, then it is your perception that is skewed. I speak for knowledge and understanding, with a deep desire to help mankind. I am not dishonest, I speak straight-forward and my profile(in case you haven't read it)-would tell you not to read into anything I say.
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I stand by what I said.
  
  I have spent my career working around and with the psychiatric community. For me, psychology provides a framework to put a name on patterns of behavior, and helps me to understand and deal with people and behaviors. And Psychology didn't make me a believer, nor did it try to, at least to my knowledge. If it did, then it didn't work. My non-belief is steadfast.
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  chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just because you are confused when you think about God does not mean she is.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  cags jelly, you are single arn't you?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  At the present time, Yes I am.
  
  But, whether or not, I am single or in a relationship, such as dating or marriage, has absolutely nothing to do, for one, with jelly? or the topic at hand?
  
  So, I don't see your point, unless you're just poking fun?
  
  Either way, it is nice to see you too.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  no, just taking notes for your diagnosis- thats all.
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  chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  how funny.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you should develop an individual mind and self awareness to take notes for your own diagnoses.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I appologize if I offended you.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  now there's sencerity, how refreshing and good save
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am sincere to her. She holds a conversation with me on a human level without letting her faith separate us. Well, before this anyways.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  human as oppose to what?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you trying to get me in trouble? It goes, "Bahhahahah"
  
  It refers to what animals believers are considered as well in the bible.
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
With all due respect, I would save that kid from that monstrous dog that's about to eat it
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The dog is a Saint!
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
Saint then he is , but he's still about to eat your kid
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, it's a she. She is a gentle giant.
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
when your reborn, do you get peanut butter?

gotta go save my dyeing hub, nice lifin' withcha marine.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, if you have faith you get peanut butter. If you use logic, you may only get jelly. Have a good day.
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
Guess what believers? My belief doesn't require me to be a separatist! Who is the peacfull one, me that believes in unity and equality or the separatist believer that believes in favoritism through faith?

Which one of us is really the devil? Separatism or equality?
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
whats up chambersgirl- havn't seen you in a week or so.
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
lol hey sooner how ya been dude?
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I've been good girl. I lost my patience long ago for peanut butter and his loyal side kick jelly- long ago(did i mention long ago yet). you are a saintess though.
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  saintess? lol naw not at all and let me think nope you didn't mention long ago either
  I just love how ppl attack others then don't answer the question either. Especially when that person has been nothing but nice. Really erks me know what I mean?
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  mistywildposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  absolutely, see my new thread.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
nothing more irritating then being told how to identify personal problems from someone with loads of personal problems.

The word "STOP" doesn't meen a damn thing to PB&J.

Sorry you are going through this crazd.
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
I made a comment there misty

And yea it's all good sooner. There are still a lot of good decent ppl on here so I'll just stick with them You being one of them
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  mistywildposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  thanks *hugs*
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  dito
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manlypoetrymanposted 15 years ago
hey...marinealways...Straight-up...was this thread a lie?
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  manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ?
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can't speak for marine. So while you await an answer from him, I will offer you this: Yes manlypoetry, this was all a science experiment. Or psychology experiment. Or ruse. It's a lot to read the entire thread. Read his recent hub, The Science of Faith, and the comments. Sorry, I like you, and felt bad when I read your congrats to him.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is totally ridiculous (sp? on ridiculous-I ain't looking it up at the moment...) rm crayne...and deceitful...(also not looking that one up either!)!
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  Laura du Toitposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well said - I could not agree with you more MPM
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ridiculous? Only if you have faith it's ridiculous and you learn nothing from it. What does it make you when you choose not to learn from something?
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  manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know...why don't you tell me...your the smart one here...Please...show me the way through my confusion???
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you would have read the entire thread instead of believing what you wanted to believe, it is clearly explained.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Does that mean that for every thread you read on the forum...no matter how long...you must read it all first to be able to respond. New Rule Everyone from MarineAlways24! I read your first entry to start the thread...and i answered it on page 4 or something. Don't put your lie back on the reader!
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  manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ???...got to go...but I'll be back for an answer by the instigator of this flagrant bunch of ____ (fill in the blank).
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  couldn't have summed it up better.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey sooner!
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quietnessandtrustposted 15 years ago
GEAR UP AND TAKE A HIKE YOU IDIOT !!!
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  gorgathionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok you don't have to tell me so I can understand.I guess it does'nt matter anyway.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it was directed at the OP
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  gorgathionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ok
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quietnessandtrustposted 15 years ago
For having willingly done this with knowledge of forethought and with malicious motives, this "man" can well expect to reap things that will cause him tremendous distress no doubt.

GOD is NOT mocked, you reap what you sow.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and this summs it up too. Just read marines self glorifying BS for 5 seconds without wanting to bash your head through a wall.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mocked God by self proclaiming yourself as a prophet in a previous thread. You are hypocritical, arrogant and judgemental, not to add that you hid your faith in the bible from me as well. Do you not comprehend Jesus attempting to teach you these things? Who is the one that hasn't read the bible?
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
whats up truth? long time no see. haha
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I bet you guys get accused of being the same person a lot.
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  not yet.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  not to my knowledge, no
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do like the fact that we are both logical thinkers. So we relate in that sense.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I concur!
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  rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And qat.
  
  I like the whole folksy, 'how you doin' shtick.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Logical Thinkers.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yea I know, so this thing just keeps going and going....
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Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago
I say it is time to let this thread die out...no use bringing it up again and again
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  sooner than laterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  true, I need a place to talk to my friends outside of this. Can you start a thread Crazd. Not toooo mushy- maybe some good ol humor. ???
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  Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mushy? i can do that
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
I concur!

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