Why do you hate Christians?

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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
With six out of ten and the majority contributers against religion and Christianity in particular, why do liberals claim they are attacked by Christians? The numbers show the opposite is true.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think I am a liberal or that I hate christians?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're a mess to me, you come accross as a liberal who wants everything logical. I hope you don't hate anyone.
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean I am a mess? I try not to hate anyone. How do you believe I am a liberal?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well conservatives are typically religious, not always I know. If you were conservative you would at least appreciate the moral guidelines the Bible provides because you would want an ordered sociaty. If the Bible worked, whether you believed it or not , you would encourage it's use.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are so confusing. I know I won't believe as you do, but I would like to at least understand what you are trying to say.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats because I'm stupid. Extracting all variables and classifying behaviors as typical: liberals live for short term pleasure and conservatives typically have longer term goals that provide security and balance. Thats how "I" see it.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you'll not get any arguments on that "stupid" comment.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  make sure you clarify your statement there - please don't associate your inability to correctly post a comment with the words i write. just to the right of submit is preview.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I never said you were stupid Sneako, nor do I think it. But by generalizing you are losing out on a lot. But it is your life, and you will do with it what you want. It isn't about short term pleasure Sneako. I wouldn't be working my ass off for four years if I didn't think it would satisfy life goals. Quit making assumptions and generalizations, you don't know the people you are talking about.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I imagine you could change that "stupid" (I use quotation marks because I'm using a phrase that is tongue-in-cheek, or which is put forth ostensibly, but may not be true) if you wanted to.
  
  I find people sometimes take short cuts in some areas in order to be successful in others. That's the short answer, but I think it is valid. I'll bet you are an excellent business man.
  
  lol I just KNOW your type (generalized, but yeah, I do).
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We've all been there and there will be those after you and those after them. It's life we had a youth and I had youthful exuberance too. I thought I had it all figured out too. When reality comes knocking it knocks down even the toughest. I was a hippy and so was my wife we did what hippies did. We decided to get married so I went in to the service to help pay for her college. I didn't fight but I had to help put lives back together and I picked up the human debris after suicides and injuries. When I went out the same type people that I used to hang with called us murderers ,spit at us and picked fights with us. That ended my liberal days. And when the gays vandalized the churches in Cal. I saw it all over again. I'm a Christian and I'm proud of it and thats all there is.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But just as you have a story so do I, in addition to everyone else in this world. I would hope that your experience would teach you not to generalize everyone into little boxes and judge people before you know them. Or assume that just because they don't believe as you do that they aren't good people or can't contribute to this world or couldn't be a positive influence on your life. Stop believing that my youth makes me ignorant or naive. I know who I am.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know you do.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I only counted five whose the 6th?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Man I don't type this fast!
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's what I said, this forum is weird.
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  Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I haven't read all of the answers to this-- it may have already been answered. The early Christian scriptures say this will happen. So? Get over it. Christians should expect this-- if it were otherwise, the scriptures would be wrong.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're so right! This is actually doubling as typeing class and it's hard to keep up. My wife says thatI'm going to freeze up but I don't listen to her she types well over a hundred words a minute. I know it's coming.
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  Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is a great strategy.
  Post in the religion or politics forum and you get lots of typing practice. I need the practice, too, but I'm trying to avoid the R and P forums.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I should to sometimes it makes me sad.
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  smarleygrl7posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree! It is scripture and therefore we should expect this rejection. Jesus did!
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So my question to you is "why do you think being a liberal and being a Cristian are mutually exclusive?" My interest in this is purely academic, as I am neither.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do not hate anyone. Hate is a very strong word. I might disagree with the behaviour of someone but I certainly do not hate them.
  
  And...many liberals are also Christian...as I have said to you several times. There are as many threads attacking atheists and others by Christians as the opposite.
  
  Anyway, I'm not getting into another circular argument... see you later.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I love you too!
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whose numbers say it is the opposite?
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  spiderpamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's 8 to 2 now.
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  MikeNVposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Religion is a creation of man used to explain to their own personal satisfaction a belief in order to cope.
  
  People do not argue over God, they argue over what they believe God Believes.
  
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  thevoiceposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This why hate religions have killed God children for thousands of years. accept all religion s yet know all life is born of God Jesus the holy spirit
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  seyiariposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  christians are followers of christ you can't hate them because you can't do nothing against the truth but for the truth.
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i don't hate Christians. but there are a copuple of alleged Christians at HubPages who certainly rub me the wrong way. i don't dare summon them by speaking their names out loud
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  Alessia Amnesiaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure 6/10 Christians hate people of other religions and political parties as well. They just won't admit they dislike anyone.
  
  Liberals ARE attacked by Christians and Christians ARE attacked by Liberals. Everyone thinks their way is best and refuses to live in the shades of gray that are necessary for a more peaceful world.
  
  Why can't everyone just agree to disagree?
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hubber-2009posted 14 years ago
WHY?
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Why would anyone bother to hate christians?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They think we condemn and we deny rights and we think we're superior.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who's words are you using? Why do you think you can speak for everyone?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, they think I condemn and deny rights and I think I'm superior. Better?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Read before you post. So to answer your question, no.
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  LiamBeanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He denies a superior attitude and calls you girl.
  
  IRONY ALERT!
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just a little bit
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm well over twice her age.
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  LiamBeanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And what does that have to do with showing her some respect?
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  LiamBeanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't?
  
  News to me!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Crawl back in your hole, I've got enuogh on my plate at this moment but, I do love you.
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  LiamBeanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Crawl back in my hole? Well I'm certainly glad you don't harbor a superior attitude toward others.
  
  If you did it would be UNBEARABLE...for everyone else posting here.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You ought to see me on a bad day!
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  C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats it isn't it? Thats it in a nutshell. Its the harsh treatment of homosexuals. The politicizing of abortion. Tele-Evanglist who in large part are nothing more than con artist. Much of the Religous right is seen as no different from the Humanist left. Rightfully so, in my opinion.
  I consider myself a Christian. I grew up in that enviroment. I have heard the double talk. I was there when Jimmy Swagart said "I have sin'd"... "I have sin'd against you". I also was there to see the good Christians are capable of. Because I was able to see both sides I decided to, at least in some part keep the principles and throw away the community. The "church" community realy needs to take a hard look at how they are percieved by those they wish to "save". To so many of non believetd, the problem with "born again" people is that they are such a pain in the ARSE the second time around!
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have to say that the trials and tribulations of Jimmy Swaggart and the Tammy Faye and all those other televangelists of that ilk make for good but very brief entertainment. Can't help but snigger. I agree with you that they are a problem but not for one second do they represent Christians to me.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nor I, but they are an accepted part of the community(outsiders view). Just as "jihadist" appear to be an accepted part of the Muslim community.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah? The Swaggart televangelist cries and robs you of your money. The jihadist plots to successfully kill and has killed infidels. If that's the case I would worry more about the muslim community.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Perception is often quite different than reality. Keep in mind, I was talking about perceptions. Not my personal views.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well I thought that's what we're talking about. People who look at Christians tend to take the televangelist as representative of Christians while they don't look at jihadists as representative of Muslims. Hence they worry more about Christians.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe. Maybe some realy see no difference. Do you think that some people see Koresh as a representation of Christianity? How about those who bombed abortion clinics?
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you not read some of the posts?!
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  C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, I see lots of hatred and comdemnation from both sides. You can only control your own actions.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We are not perfect but do our failures justify their choices?
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  C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do not try and justify someone elses choices. Its futile, frustrating and pompus. Set the example. A quiet example makes a bold statement. People see the truth, even when they wont admit it. Hammering someone, or arguing them into a corner only brings out the worst in them and ultimately you as well.
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  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not all Christians think that way.
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  Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Or anyone, for that matter? Yet unfortunately, too many people don't find better ways to invest their energies.
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
The majority of people in the world believe in some conception of God, Sneako.

This forum is just weird, for one. And 'liberals' in general I don't think hate Christians, either. I personally do not care much for Christianists...which is a different thing...but Christians are OK.

It's a bit like this: The cool kids here are atheists/rationalists, so the others don't say anything, because they don't want to be thrown in with the geeks (lol, which are your 'Christians' here on the forum). Also, the most rational of people, , are relatively keen to keep their beliefs to themselves, because it makes the most sense.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Lita that was very sterile.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Um, I'm sorry. Can you translate that from Sneako-speak for me?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God. OK. Here's the deal: We "liberals" (whatever), don't hate "Christians." We don't like fundamental idiots that bother and interfere with other people's rights/beliefs.
  
  That clear enough?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cool is mostly a function of age and this is a forum. But I do agree most conservatives wouldn't bother with this nonsense because it wouldn't be worth the time. Sterile because you sound like you left your emotion at home.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would BE one of those theists. And I'm not a 'conservative.' See the above post of mine.
  
  Maybe I'm not 'emotional' because sometimes I feel I have more in common with the rationalists/atheists.
  
  And trust me, there are cool kids on this forum, . Mark Knowles is the coolest! (lol) But true.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You mean know-it-all Mark? Sorry I think hes a pathetic clown, he would never hunt or fish with me.
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  samsbrposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, i dont hate any religion person God is one it might be in any religion. The True is only Mankind there would be no differentiate Man is the only True no religion nothing is there. I love every religion people all are men thats the truth rest are bull sit
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Cool" is a matter of opinion.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Am I a liberal Sneako?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh hell yes! You're a crusader for individual freedom. I still think you're a good girl.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am a good woman. I am a great woman. Figure that! A "liberal" and a great person. Goes against every preconceived notion you ever had, doesn't it?
  And obviously I don't hate Christians. So stop thinking you can speak for an entire group. Listen and learn from others. Because your beliefs and your experience does not speak or apply to everyone.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you sure you're woman? When did that happen?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When I became more or as mature than half the "adults" I know. I know you see me as a "little girl" but get over that belief.
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believeinhimposted 14 years ago
Hate is a strong word. What's to hate? Christians just want to worship. Nothing wrong with that.
God bless,
believeinhim
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
I don't hate christians !
i have a lot of christian friends, who accept me the same way I accept them.
I despise the ones that think I'm a poor sinner doomed to Hell and that they have to pray for me, in order to save me;
When they know that I don't believe.
I think they're disgusting .
They don't deserve my respect.
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'll pray for you
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks !
  Everyone will understand what I'm talking about !
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  cheaptrickposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm praying for you!Naughty,Naughty girl...
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  another cheap trick !
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  cheaptrickposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ahh my dear,you know me to well....lol.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We know each other too well, I think !
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  advisor4qbposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is difficult to feel rejected or judged by people, when they have no right to judge who you are and what you believe. Some of the people you are referring to feel it is their God-given duty to shove their beliefs down everyone's throat and end up throwing the "You are a sinner who is going to Hell if you don't buy what I am selling you" mentality at people who reject their pitch. Buying into that negativity and standing in judgment of them for what you believe to be their self-righteousness may be just as bad or maybe even worse than what they are doing to you.
  
  As a born-again Christian, I can't say that I agree with your beliefs, but of course I do accept them and accept that everyone has a right to their own beliefs. I also know that I was not always a Christian, and before I was "saved," I did still hold a belief in God, I just didn't know how to direct it and had never formally been a member at any church.
  
  Whenever a person is ready, the right thing will happen. I think the saying "When the student is ready, the teacher appears" is an old adage. That has always proven true for me. When I was ready to find the Lord, He found me by putting me in the right place.
  
  And so it will be with you.
  
  Namaste.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think so !
  But thanks!
  you are another example of what I'm talking about
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  advisor4qbposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry you feel that way.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure you do !
  thanks once more !
  But with the first post, it was enough.
  I got the picture of the kind of person you are.
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  advisor4qbposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  NOW who is being judgmental?!
  
  I was just trying to be nice and tell you how no one should tell you what to believe.
  
  I simply added that I don't agree with you in that I believe and you don't.
  
  You exude an enormous amount of negative energy...that is unfortunate.
  
  PS NAMASTE (which is what I had said before) means:
  "All that is best and highest in me greets/salutes all that is best and highest in you."
  
  I truly wish you the best!
  
  BOY, these forums get rough!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  You're so transparent !
  
  Thanks again !
  I love a good laugh !
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  cheaptrickposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have to jump in here!I've taken a Tongue lashing from TANTRUM.You shouldn't confuse Negative energy with unvarnished truth/
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  advisor4qbposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guess the truth here is simply a matter of opinion.
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  behindcrossroadsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You can only save yourself. It's a matter of personal decision. If you believe that there is no hell then that is your choice. But the greatest bestselling book of all times did mention hell. I believe it is real.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
He knows that I'm a good person. And it kills him that a "liberal" young adult who doesn't believe as he does could actually contribute and do some good in this world.
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sooner than laterposted 14 years ago
I love liberals. they make me feel smart
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why do people generalize? Its like taking a giant step backwards.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because we don't know you personally. If we did we could clarify exactly where we differ.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But why generalize at all? Are liberals making your life miserable? If you really think so, you need to get over it and live your life. Quit generalizing and putting people into little boxes. If you spent as much time as you do categorizing and spreading negativity on something positive you would improve the world you blame everyone else on destroying.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is the only place i discuss anything religious or political. I don't mess with that during the day I have people to watch.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  HA HA.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I love you!
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donotfearposted 14 years ago
Why was this idiodic thread even started? Just to stir things up?
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  why do you smile so big? because a camera was pointed at you?
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  donotfearposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Could it be.......SAAAATAN!!!!!!?????
  
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  meow
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did so shoot me!
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  donotfearposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Well, now, isn't that special?
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  kstewposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  with pleasure
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Add me to the list of Christians, BUT - I'm nonjudgmental and very accepting of others. I respect everyone's right to believe in their own form of religion or spirituality, or not to believe in anything beyond themselves. It's their own personal decision. Judging them is "above my pay grade."
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Smart Lady!
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habeeposted 14 years ago
I've also found that the "Christians" who are berated on these forums are sometimes very judgmental, and some of them are just downright mean! (not talking about you, sneak) They give the rest of us a bad name. We should be models of tolerance and acceptance - not ridicule and judgment.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We atheists, know the difference.
  Thanks habee for your wise words !
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Habee! I really don't have a problem with anyone but I believe what I believe.
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We all have a right to believe - or disbelieve - what we chose, and no one should be berated for that. Some of us worry far too much about the beliefs of others when our own beliefs are the only ones that really have any affect on our lives.
  
  My friends are from all walks of life ... believer, non-believer, and those that are uncertain ... and I allow them all to chose their own path.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You got it right.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed Yoshi. I think my life wouldn't be complete if I only surrounded myself with people like me.
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't that a judgment?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's a fact
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  thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you say so, I'm going to bed.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Good night !
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum, is that armpit hair I see?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She didn't mean it that way it's tough to try and be fair when you are sterio-typed.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ugh. You are so confusing.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cole I'm very simple but I try to walk a tight-rope. A devout Christian and a moderate and sometimes I don't get either right.
  My wife is saying leave them people alone that meansit's bed time. You're great and keep working hard it's worth it. Good night.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It isn't about "getting it right" its about being happy. That is my problem. People who feel the need to conform to a label, rather than just living and doing what they feel is right. You put people into boxes but don't feel it is right to stereotype. You can't stand liberals or those who aren't Christian but agree it is important to be accepting to those of all beliefs. Just do what YOU think is right. Stop trying to be something you obviously aren't.
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pylos26posted 14 years ago
Don't hate christians...its just that headache they always give ya.
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bukanposted 14 years ago
Sorry ! Never i hate anyone except me
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Like a few other here, I have friends who are liberals, ultra conservatives, Christians, atheists, and those who are undecided. One of my closest friends is a left-wing liberal from the North, and she's also a Christian - yes, many liberals are Christians.

One thing I love about the US is that it's such a melting pot. We can learn so much from each other if we just open our hearts and our minds. I love "hanging out" with people from different cultures!
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SamiTheFinnishBoyposted 14 years ago
Why hate christians? Well they worship the prophet of GOD and they think prophet Jesus is a son of GOD.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You hate them for that? I agree that they contradict logic, but I don't hate them for their belief. If you believe in separatism through belief which is exactly hate, you differ from no Christian. So, because someone chooses separation from you because of your belief means you choose separation from them? A logical mind should rise above a faith filled mind to learn more, not be content with separatism.
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shanekrugerposted 14 years ago
I will never hate any christian.
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JBrettposted 14 years ago
Why hate anyone? What is the point? Respect each individual for who and what they are inside, not their political or religious views. Hate uses energy - bad energy. Time is better spent looking for the good and acceptance.
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prettydarkhorseposted 14 years ago
dont hate anyone, loving is better, want you all share a brewed coffee with me..
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'll have a coffee with you . . . maybe add a little brandy . . .
  
  I don't think anyone hates Christians (except some radical Muslims) I think a lot of people are just tired of their holier-than-thou attitude to those who don't think like they do. You know, the "you're going to rot in hell forever if you don't believe as the Bible says to" stuff.
  
  There are many paths to God. Those who are zealots should just be happy that a person believes at all and not try to micromanage some else's belief.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ok brandy too, YAY< when??
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well said. I agree with you. I think that is a rare occurence
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks UW - I'm glad we can agree
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

I only hate the ones who knock on my door.
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SamiTheFinnishBoyposted 14 years ago
Someone asks why hate anyone. Well some people are sick in the head.
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smarleygrl7posted 14 years ago
I don't think that every liberal hates christians just as I don't think that every christian hates liberals. First of all a Christian shouldn't hate anyone. I am a conservative and a Christian and I do not hate liberals, I may not agree with them. Disagreeing with them tho is far different than hating them. It is discouraging to find however that when I voice my opinion I am often seen as stupid and a back wood thinker. Why am I labelled when I do no different than anyone else by voicing a different view? I do not lose sleep over it at night, but it is discouraging.
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B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 14 years ago
I have no bit of hate, not one bone in my physical body, nor my spirit and aura hates Christians or anyone..We are all allowed to believe in what we want, and I feel no one is right or wrong for having a belief..

so go ahead, hate me..it does not bother me, but I will never hate you back just because your rights to belive in any religion you want..

I only have hate for child molestors, theives, serial killers, and dark people...
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Will Apseposted 14 years ago
I'm far too much of a liberal to hate any religious group. On the other hand Christians are people and when Christians are spewing out nonsense about the age of the planet or the facts of life or the justice of murderous wars(a minority I know but still a significant number)I sometimes find my eyes starting to roll in my head of their own accord.

When a great religion is popularized and led my ill educated, self-seeking crowd pleasers as it increasingly is, it is hard to find the tolerance that the New Testament teaches. If Christianity wants respect it needs to reconnect with the idea that God is Truth.
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Len Cannonposted 14 years ago
Serious post: I do not hate Christians. I have much more enmity towards regressives.
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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
I don't think its imagined ,especially in the forums, that the liberals aren't liberal. They demand tolerance for bizare behaviors and cry foul at those who don't jump in. I'm convinced that had they controlled their urges to act out and had more respect for themselves, they would appreciate the Christian position. The saying "misery loves company" is exactly the case except they demand company feeling "if every one does it" it's ok. It's not ok with Christians and it's not ok with God. It is your choice, free agency, but with every choice we make comes consequences good or bad. To make a choice then demand no consequences is very immature.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Sneak! I find the term "liberal" is one of those Animal Farm words that is defined one way but really mean the opposite.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Flightkeeper! I agree. I wonder how they justify the use of the word.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's all marketing to them Sneak. The more people they can sucker in, the better.
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Niteriterposted 14 years ago
Does it have to be Christians against liberals, Sneako? No two Christians are alike, no two liberals are alike, no two snowflakes... etc. How about considering the idea that some people are just apt to feel angry? Besides, I haven't finished my green tea yet!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No it doesn't. I wish it wasn't. And I agree about people but issues in general are pretty much divided. There are variables that cause people to ebb and flow but you either are for some issues or you're not.
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Niteriterposted 14 years ago
@ Sneako: I am for good lively debate (you and marine always put on a good show) about the issues but not about the worth of each others views. I am also not for placing labels on each other for unkind purposes.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Those are fair comments.
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Niteriterposted 14 years ago
Evangelizing is a troublesome idea; it backs the evangelizer ito a corner of impossible ideals and it traps the evangelizee into a position of no polite way out.
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Niteriterposted 14 years ago
You got me cornered here, C.J. I'm throwing my good intentions out the window; the worst is coming out; I'm trading in this green tea for good black coffee!
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  C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Green tea allways makes me gittery....
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Niteriterposted 14 years ago
Watch yourself there, C.J. Flightkeeper fights with bare knuckles.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not fighting. Just discussing.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I appreciate the discussion CJ, it's unfortunate though there is very little of that taking place elsewhere. If someone disagrees with me that's okay and we can discuss it. However I'm not afraid to get into it if you start verbally abusing me, I try to give as good as I get. And I usually don't do anything until someone starts it first.
  
  Then I usually try to have fun
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Niteriterposted 14 years ago
Just kidding.
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
Why do you keep starting these forums? You don't care anyways. If you did the question would be much different and I'll add certainly more creative.
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Niteriterposted 14 years ago
Sneako started this one. Besides, I love you dearly. Please don't yell at me.
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
no one is allowed to yell at niteriter, I need him
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Niteriterposted 14 years ago
I love you even more.
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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
I did and I'm responsible for starting the trouble. The lefts tendency to represent odd life choices and demand tolerance seems alittle less than liberal once the Christianity becomes the topic.
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Niteriterposted 14 years ago
You're a trouble maker, sneako. I don't know if I'm left or right; I keep getting them mixed up. Which makes me wrong most of the time.
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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
I know. I'm sorry. I actually used to call myself a conservative democrat but they got too wierd for even me. I'm really an issue voter more than anything.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have a nice face. Not being personal just a friendly observation.
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you are so kind :
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Jonathan Jancoposted 14 years ago
I am very troubled by the attitudes represented in these posts. Obviously, we all feel the need to wave our judge mallots from time to time, but the nature of this debate is quite volatile. As far as I believe, we are all children of God and God's love for all of us is unconditional regardless of our belief. Our true form is spirit not body. When we seperate ourselves through belief or through hatred or through violence, we are simply being resistant to our natural collectiveness and the unconditional love that God feels for us.
Peace be with all of you.
My only advice is to give in to love . . . first for yourself.
The rest is quite easy.
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Niteriterposted 14 years ago
I admire your feisty spirit, Flightkeeper. I even agree with some of the things you say... which make you wrong on whatever point that happens to be! (I was kidding with C.J. in case you hadn't seen the post.) Cheers!
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kstewposted 14 years ago
First of all , no one should really have anything against anyone, does'nt matter what they beleaive, I personally am a proud christian, but that does'nt mean all I do it "worship" so stop!!!! putting words into peoples mouths!!!! who are you to judge!! seriously, everyone has different things they beleave in, leave it alone, leave them alone and start to worry about YOU.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Is this what you are referring to?

Charles March, a self-described evangelical Christian and professor of religion at the University of Virginia, examined the speeches of numerous "influential evangelical ministers" in the six months prior to the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. According to Marsh, "The single most common theme among the war sermons appeared to be this: Our president is a real brother in Christ, and because he has discerned that God's will is for our nation to be at war against Iraq, we shall gloriously comply."
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troyjonesposted 14 years ago
I am an atheist and a civil liberatarian. That means I fall on the side of a strong sense of personal responsibility. However, unlike the GOP when a company doesn't live up to their responsibilities I say nail 'em to the wall - instead of "we need less regulation". But I digress.

Most of this post will seem like a digression but I'm trying to make my point via an example.

In my experience, the fact that I am an atheist automatically makes conservative Christians call me a liberal even when I agree on many supposed conservative principles - i.e. personal responsibility and small government issues. However, because of their preconceptions, everything I say is viewed thru the lens that I am a liberal. As a result, many questions of politics - such as gay marriage - are viewed as coming from a liberal, Christian hater. That's just not true.

I think gays should be allowed to marry because it is a matter of equality for all. And since I don't believe that the government has any business regulating matters of faith then I also believe that marriage - as a function of government - cannot be a matter of faith. We do not deny atheists the right to marry. Nor do we believe those people who quote the Bible when saying the Blacks cannot marry Whites. I don't think Christian beliefs about marriage should influence the way our government regulates marriage as a matter of law. If an individual church or denomination chooses to not marry gay people that is their right. If you choose to shun gay couples that is your right. However, forcing your religious beliefs about marriage on all of American society is not. There is no hate here but rather a disagreement about the boundaries of government intrusion into religion, our lives and our choices. You can probably guess how this opinion has been received among my conservative Christian friends.

My point is simply that there is no hate for Christians in opinion but my views are still considered hateful simply because I disagree. So when I read posts about "9 out of 10 people hate Christians..." I wish to clarify that there is no hate or malice much of the time. Often times, like so many parts of life, we are talking past each other and not listening at all.

One final observation... The atheists who spend a lot of time trying to tear down religion are no different (IMHO) than those Christians who spend all of their time preaching and trying to convert others. Both do so primarily because of a lack of faith and self-respect. Arrogance should not be misconstrued as self-respect.

The anger response is, IMHO, due to a crack in the armor. We get angry because we don't fully understand our own beliefs. We do not understand the "unknowables" about our belief. And we don't trust our own decision making. Sometimes that is due to a lack self-respect and sometimes it is due to a less than conscious understanding that haven't really scrutinized our own beliefs so we implicitly understand our beliefs have hidden weaknesses.
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Precious100posted 14 years ago
CHRISTIANS ARE HATED BECAUSE OF THEIR LOVE FOR CHRIST. IF YOU HATE JESUS CHRIST YOU WILL HATE HIS FOLLOWERS...CHRISTIANS. THE BOOK OF ST JOHN CONSTANTLY SPEAK THAT WE WILL BE HATED BY THE WORLD BECAUSE THEY HATE JESUS. (ALTHOUGH YOU FIND MANY WHO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS BUT YET HATING HIS PEOPLE). DON'T BE EXPECTED TO BE LOVED BY THE WORLD. REALITY THE WORLD DO NOT LOVE CHRIST NEITHER WILL THEY LOVE US. DO YOU THINK SATAN LOVE GOD? ...WRONG!
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Poor thing... Such a hate to the World is a heavy load to carry along your way... No wonder the World treats you accordingly...
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AEvansposted 14 years ago
Can't all of us just get along? ***sigh***
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  alexandriaruthkposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  good one
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jcmmanuelposted 14 years ago
I think this question raises from a rather conflict model kind of approach. This approach is not typical for atheism or Christianity or so, it is prevalent in both (and other) communities. Atheists like the 'new atheists' are notorious for it and 'Christian nationalists' / fundamentalists are notorious as well for this type of exclusive behavior. When you have an open mind though, on both sides of a gap, you can talk with people on the basis of reason, commonsense, mutual respect. As a Christian I have many atheist friends - atheists are human beings and they can be reasonable & polite just like any other kind of people, it's that simple.
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MarieKDposted 14 years ago
I personally love Jesus. He is amazing. I would just like to apologize if any of you have been hurt by Christians. I'm definitely not perfect- often I fall into the trap of religion instead of a vibrant relationship with God.

Jesus hated religion. The pharisees were experts in religious law. The pharisees hated Jesus. He challenged societal norms. He loved those that the pharisees deemed untouchable.

I pray that one day I would be able to see the heart of those I come in contact with first and foremost, the way Jesus did.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
As long as "believers" keep ramming their ridiculous crap down our necks, I for one will fight them all the way! I am well over religious hypocrites telling me and my family that we are going to rot in hell. It's your hell, you rot in it!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  hi earnest !
  This looks like your personal 'jihad'
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