To anyone who believes in God, please explain this:

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  1. Karen Ranoni profile image45
    Karen Ranoniposted 3 years ago

    To anyone who believes in God, please explain this:

    To anyone who believes in God, please explain this:

    1.God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them? 1:3-5

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  2. lone77star profile image83
    lone77starposted 3 years ago

    A couple of thoughts on this.

    1) The first 5 books of the Bible were written by Kabbalists in code, so none of the "physical" things are literal. It's all metaphor for spiritual things. After all, our languages were created based on physical reality and are not well suited for the spiritual realm. The "code" Kabbalists call the "Language of Branches."

    Fifteen years ago, I found the Kabbalists' "Tree of Life" matrix embedded in 2 chapters of Genesis.

    2) From my own experience with miracles and creation, it seems apparent that Genesis 1 took place in zero time. Each "day" was merely a template for creation (like software engineering's object oriented classes). These creations were given persistence (time) by God resting (or "allowing").

    Taking the Bible literally is wrong on so many levels. Jesus frequently taught with parables (non-literal), because it made his audience think (not be lazy) and forced them to question their own knowledge (be humble). This is the only way to approach learning anything new.

    1. Karen Ranoni profile image45
      Karen Ranoniposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for that answer, I'm so impressed you didn't say "well because"...lol simply type FAITH. You sound logical not something I've found much in religion.

    2. profile image53
      Ian Mooneposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You say you haven't found much logic in religion mate, but rearrange the words logic, logical, Cops..Do them one at a time, & see what your logical mind can come up with..All the answers are there to be worked out mate, logic & love are keys.

    3. lone77star profile image83
      lone77starposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, Karen. Science, logic and mathematics have been part of my career. But I've also seen how True Faith can result in miracles. Strangely, logic and spirituality are not mutually exclusive, but I'm still finding my way, here

    4. MonkeyShine75 profile image74
      MonkeyShine75posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      LOL

    5. cam8510 profile image96
      cam8510posted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I assume that per your interpretation, God is primary author of Bible and Kabbalists' code. You "discovered" it 15 yrs ago? So everyone before that, in terms of understanding God's plan, were SOL. No, I don't believe in secret codes.

  3. profile image53
    Ian Mooneposted 3 years ago

    God + M/T created the light from their eyes when they woke up, & then condensed that light down into planet earth....They then strolled around creating things with their eyes as they go, because what they see in their minds they can project out there for real if they wanted to....I mean I've never met God or M/T for real, but I wouldn't think God or M/T needs light to see with....So I bet he & mother nature did a bit here & there, & when they we're tired of it they went to sleep....When they closed their eyes night would fall, & when they awoke it would be day again because the light comes from their eyes....So they eventually created the Sun to give them more energy to use, because they would have been doing it all in Human form to see if it's suitable for us their kids..I say Human form, but with infinite power to manifest with. :-)

  4. Paul K Francis profile image82
    Paul K Francisposted 3 years ago

    The bible was written by people to be read by people. I don't think it should be too literally, especially the stories at the very beginning. Some have suggested that God was sorting things out that were already there, thus the all the 'seperatings'.

    1. MonkeyShine75 profile image74
      MonkeyShine75posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      According to the bible there are hidden things so that only the worthy,  which are those who seek,  will find

  5. MonkeyShine75 profile image74
    MonkeyShine75posted 3 years ago

    I believe Genesis is speaking more of “Order” than of “Creation”
    Genesis is simply giving the order, and the timeline of the Creation of everything, everywhere. Like everything in the sky (Planets, Sun, Stars) When animals came about (Fish, Fowl,Land Animal) etc, but it’s not giving the time of each individual creation.
    For instance when it speaks of forming Adam and Eve, it is speaking of the order in time when mankind came into existence, not about creating two people.

    The Light
    Genesis says that the earth was dark and without form. Darkness is all there was.
    I watched something on Nova about the Earth having water all over it, which froze, and later heated up. There were erupting volcanoes, fires, and lava, and after a lot of chaos, the land emerged from the water..so I can see something like that in Genesis

    So that was the timeline, or order when there was only darkness
    Genesis 1:2
    And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep

    Before Genesis speaks of the Order, or time that the heavenly bodies came into existence, it speaks of the light. He made a new day/age and he divided the light from the dark
    A time when the universe was light and darkness wasn't the only feature. That would become the time when man was in the thoughts of God, because the darkness was gone

    Days
    I learned somewhere that it was called “first”, "second" etc, and those who translated it did so as “day one”, “day two”,
    Which goes along with my premise that Genesis is revealing the order of creation, and not the creation of particular items

    We can’t say God created the plants to grow in darkness, or cold before the Sun was created, because it doesn’t tell us that.

    It tells us only in what order everything was created, which in the case of plants, they came about after all the darkness was gone, and the light had been created

    He divided the age of darkness from the age of light, the same as the dark and light are separated in one day.
    For more go here http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/128565? … ost2708524

    1. MonkeyShine75 profile image74
      MonkeyShine75posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      As I said, according to the bible there are hidden things so that only the worthy,  which are those who seek,  will find
      Those things seem illogical to the others

  6. cam8510 profile image96
    cam8510posted 23 months ago

    I agree with your questioning of Genesis 1:3. It is odd that light without a stated source would precede the creation of the sun and moon.  I'll add another strange element. In verse one we are told that the earth was created in empty space and was covered with water. Even with all the stars (which didn't exist in verse one) the lowest temperature in space is -455F/-270C. In spite of this, verse one says it was water, liquid water. Let's admit that it was ice. As we proceed through the rest of chapter one, which according to believers is made of 24 hour days, the planet was still covered with ice. Everything that happened on the six days of creation happened on a frozen planet. That includes the separation of land from "water," the creation of plants, the creation of sea life, land animals and man. It would have taken years for the ice to melt. The only alternative is to admit to a miracle by God to melt the ice. But this was not stated in the text and it isn't science.

    1. lone77star profile image83
      lone77starposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Or everything in the first 6 days happened in zero time. First 5 books of the Bible were written by Kabbalists in symbolic language of branches. Taking everything literally misses a great deal. God resting on the 7th day= creation of time.

    2. cam8510 profile image96
      cam8510posted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I'll comment on your longer answer.

    3. lone77star profile image83
      lone77starposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Thanks for your attempt, but you misinterpreted what I wrote. Christ said the path is narrow and difficult. Belief is inconsequential. Wisdom exists that literal eyes cannot see, for the literal is the broad path which leads to destruction.

    4. cam8510 profile image96
      cam8510posted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Your comments must also be written in secret codes. So God is into anti-communication? I never knew that. Secret knowledge á la gnosticism means anyone can claim to have cracked the code if they can sound convincing, which you don't.

 
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