What is a true Christian?
I am discouraged by the number of fake Christians I have known. They attend church on Sundays, read the Bible and even wear crosses around their necks. But they:
1. Own expensive cars and homes.
2. Give little to charity.
3. Rarely donate their time
4. Look down their noses at the "lazy" poor.
5. Act immorally for the sake of money, status and power.
6. Vote for politicians who enrich their supporters and oppose programs for people in need.
What is your definition of a true Christian?
It's not your place to judge others. God is the one who is judging them. I'm sure you are not as pure in God's eyes as you believe or would like to believe. Do you know what hypocrite means?
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
actually he is correct in judging the fruit of those professing Christianity. It is required of Christians. see I cor 9:12
God gave us the ability to judge. You judged me by implying I am a hypocrite.
if the same effort is made at finding the judge scriptures then you could come to a full understanding of judging ourselves, fellow believers, and out siders. Some we are to other we are not.
Sorry, Corinth 9:12 has nothing to do with judging others. My point is there are no perfect Christians. Can't say, if you don't do what I think is right you're not Christian. Not right. Romans 3: 10 to 19
Mike, I agree there are no perfect Christians. No one is pure including me. But if God gave us the ability to judge, and Christ asked us to live a certain way, then we learn what it means to be a Christian in part by judging -- ourselves and others.
Scott, we agree. I get tired of Christians saying who is and is not Christian. I had a Baptist tell me Catholics weren't Christian. The list goes on. I believe evil wants us fighting with one another. If I see something bad I say God has this.
Your scripture is not theological at all. We are to judge be vigilant and do it constantly. The word judge there means to "be critical. So read it like this " Do not criticize and condemn others, so that you may not be criticized and condemed"
Only the Word of God "judges" (Is 8:20) because the Word 'is' God (Jn1:1)to be used to "correct" (II Tim3:16)
IF we are disciples of Christ!
Also Eric are you a person who claimbs God , but says listen to me , the scriptures are there for a reason and preserved for our salvation into the New future.
Humans are in the condition of world wide atrocities because they can not rule or solve.
K&T you hang out with the wrong persons. those who I hang out with are not as you describe.
mike- neither does Ro 3:10-- it talking about using the law to judge not about judging according to the NEW testament. you clearly have no scriptural understanding of the subject on judging of judging which is required by the NT
A true Christian is one who worships God in spirit and in truth. Look to Jesus. That is where authentic encouragement comes from. Look too long at individuals and discouragement is sure to come.
Your authentic encouragement is a great insight. Thanks, Yolanda.
A true Christian in my opinion, is one who walks the walk, and not just talks the talk of Christ-like ways. And one who is a witness of the Gospel (the good news of Christ).
I agree completely. Thanks for a clear answer to my question.
Scott there is a mix up on who and why to judge.
We certainly are not fit to to do the Heavenly Father's work based on Jas 4:12 There is only one who is Lawgiver and Judge,
We are only to use the word in our case that we judge our own steps.
If one does not believe the Bible 'is' God speaking, why believe at all (Jn1:1;14)? If God said His Word is "...profitable for reproof, for correction..." (II Tim 3:16)is this not God "judging" when using Word & not 'man?'
Do you think someone who walks the walk " example responds to evil with true grace and temptation with blessings temptation with fortitude" can't only respond so with supernatural powers provided only by The Father?
Also Eric will we quote from imperfect human errors when we have a perfect choice as an example .humans have failed us never our Heavenly Father.
Perhaps K&T those you have followed have failed you. Do not presume they have failed me. Perhaps you chose poorly.
II Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed... There is no list of scriptures & we KNOW there were edicts destroying hundreds of texts. R U SURE the Romans didn't censor or manipulate to suit their pagan beliefs? God can be PROVEN, read my 1st hub.
knt-- all scripture but not bibles esp the jw bible, the kjv, niv and most others. bibles are translation which include the false doctrines of the translators that is reason for so many
It would seem that the Holy Spirit talks to John different than to Charlie. Only Charlie is right?
God speaks to each as He sees fit. Those who claim right for them is right for others pretend to speak for God.
My definition of a true Christian is anyone who attempts to following the teachings of Christ. However it's important to remember: Ecclesiastes 7:20
"For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not."
I don't believe there is anything wrong with being a rich prosperous Christian.
Many verses in the bible encourage believers to ask God for anything they want, need, or desire.
"What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."
Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it shall be given you"
Psalm 23:5 "my cup runneth over."
Matthew 25:14-30 The parable about the servants and talents.
"I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine."
"Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury." Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath (ten talents).
30 "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness:.."
I agree with you that there are some rich people who worship money. Nevertheless there are lots of poor/average people who are selfish, arrogant, and judgmental in their own right.
There are also billionaires like Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg who pledged to give away 90% of their wealth to various charitable causes. Many rich people also have foundations and donate money or give scholarships to poor students.
Ultimately I believe wealth simply makes one more of what they already were.
Ecc 7:20 is 'true' for we were all "born in sin" (Rm 5:12) and is why "Ye must be born again" (Jn3:5-7) thereafter He "...remembers our sin no more"(Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10; 10:16)!
It's not the 'money' but the 'love of money' that condemns us(ITm6:10)!
Misfit you are a human that is also no match to perfection. Who changes your opinions many times.
I do not think humans have our solution and cures global only the Heavenly Father does we can rely on him a 100 percent on that.
You are limited
If eternal damnation really exists & God loves us - WHY make 'salvation' so tricky when he gave the Israelites 10 Commandments so easily TWICE cuz they were 'sinning' with an idol? Answer: Its not tricky, just very misunderstood. Read my 1st hub.
Simply, a genuine Christian emulate the life of Jesus Christ. The person might not be an exact copy of Christ's flawless attitude and standards, but at least, the person's intentions and efforts must be reflective of Jesus' life and works.
1. God doesn't mandate socialism. In fact, the opposite. When the state controls a lot, it seeks to shut down alternative centers of influence and organization. This is why totalitarian regimes either take over or shut down the churches.
2. The Bible condemns love of money, not money. Look at how many patriarchs were held up as examples of how to live and had large families, large flocks, wealth. To have an expensive home is not in and of itself a violation of Christianity.
3. The Democrat party may claim to be the party of morality, tolerance, peace, smart people - but that is good branding on their part and lazy moralizing by those who say "I'm Democrat, that makes me moral!"
4. There are poor who are in those circumstances through their bad choices, and the worst part about the current welfare state is that it increases their numbers through deliberate undermining of the family (no benefits if you marry the father) and keeping people trapped in poverty. In this case, just throwing more money at the programs leads to more broken families, more violence in the inner cities from illegitimate children, more people stuck dependent on the state. Thus it is a Christian directive to condemn government programs that are clearly doing harm and support private charity instead.
5. The refusal of the left to vet those on charity for drug abuse and refusal to work leads to the misconception that this is the majority. When you say it is worse than 1 person be refused welfare than 100 abuse it, of course taxpayers resent it and assume the worse.
Socialism, in its purest form, is about people working together as a society to ensure that the fruits of their labours are distributed in a fair and just way so that nobody suffers. That is also the essence of Christianity.
I agree, John. Taken too far, it also can weaken individual responsibility in some people. So it seems that a combination of the best parts of socialism with the best parts of capitalism can serve Christianity and society at the same time.
If it became LAW that we had to be Christian then how would we punish those who miss the mark or refuse? Sounds alot like Israel before Christ!
Inquisition and witch hunts Gregory. On socialism I think we right here and now have a close to good amount now. People who are hungry or homeless here now have much more than poverty to blame. Christians are doing well also.
the one true church of Jesus Christ has no resemblance to socialism. It is fully serving God in in His way,theocracy and freedom. socialism serves man and his desires- foolishness and bondage
I have heard that question asked a number of times, in various ways the past few weeks. It has involved topics ranging from gay marriage, to is there a hell, to issues surrounding justice and the poor, or other religions, to unfortunately, the gut wrenching events in Connecticut. At the risk of being accused of dodging the question, I would say that before you can get to these issues, you have to start at the heart of what Christ’s followers have taught from the very beginning. Love the poor, sick and suffering ... the despised and cast out. “The least of these,” Jesus called them. “What you do for the least of these, you do for me,” He said. These are the ones Jesus loves.
A true Christian puts God first in everything and claims Jesus is their Lord and Savior. A true Christian is humble, peaceful, wise and a warrior. These things are that of Christ. Having big houses and cars should not claim a false Christian - although yes there are some. But if they are blessed by God - who is not a God of little- then we should be proud of their blessing. The bible says "I will open the windows of heaven and bless you in abundance"....
The key is being 100% firm in your faith no matter the problems that happen. And believe that all is in God's time. He's not a magician, but He is the one to live by.
A false Christian will be judged as did the ones who crucified Jesus.
There is no good answer to this question... but it is my belief that a REAL Christian wouldn't look down their noses at people whose beliefs differ from their own, and they would not judge someone for practicing their belief in God in a different manner. I have met many Christians who look down on me personally for my tattoos and my piercings; however the best Christian I know does not. Due to her beliefs she does not judge anyone by their appearances, or their choices simply because she states it is not her place to judge her neighbors, it is the place of God himself.
I agree. We all could do well to judge each other by our actions and not by our appearances.
Sav "True Christians" must "judge" according to His Word (Jn 1:1 "The Word is God") for God "loves judgment" (Is 61:8) which brings one to Him (Is 28:10-13)!
Everyone has flaws. It's easy to judge Christians and say that because they do not do this or that they are not Christians. The important thing about Christianity is have you accepted Jesus Christ into your heart, believe that he died on the cross and saved you from your sins. I do agree with you on some points, but no one is ever going to be able to be perfect just because they believe in God. Everyone is at different points in their spirituality.
The word Christian means to be christ like.. To follow Jesus steps as closely as possible.
Example you can draw a picture or you can trace a picture .which ever you chose you want to copy the picture to every detail.
There are real genuine people that Jesus would be very proud of that reflect his love and concerns for fellow humans and the opportunity to live in a trouble free world.
Jesus paid the price for many to keep living and enjoy the real paradise soon to come.
I thought Word says "God is the Potter and we are the clay" (Is64:8)yet we try to continue in "Muscular Christanity" trying to help Him!
Titus 2:11-12 "Grace" (aka Jesus; Jn1:14)"teaches us that, denying ungodliness..."
Mr TW based on Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young,,, the point here its working with Jesus not against him.
A true Christian is one who has given their life totally unto the Lord. And has separated themselves from the things of the world. Which means they don't have a sinful nature anymore. Because they are filled with the Holy Spirit to give them spiritual guidance and to protect from the enemy, Satan. And their job now is to bring others into the knowledge of God's son Jesus Christ.
I am a Christian. I struggle with doing wrong things all the time. I often catch myself thinking that I am better than others, thinking more about money than I should and sometimes I probably look worse than people who aren't even Christians.
I am so blessed that God loves me and is big enough to take on my big mess. He is working in me, but it isn't happening all at once. I thank God, because I know that without Him I would be MUCH worse than what I am now.
The truth is that I will never be perfect. That is why I need Jesus. He stood in the gap. I often pray to say that I am so sorry for messing everything up and I hear that He will be the perfect one in our relationship. Messing up often teaches me to lean on God, because we still have this thing I call 'flesh'. Flesh is the bad person inside of me that just won't stop. I believe that God uses broken vessels to carry His light, because if the vessels were perfect; than people would focus on the person instead of what is inside.
For me, a true Christian is the one who does to others what he wants others do to him.
A true Christian is one who loves others as he loves himself. Helps the needy, does good, pray and love his enemies, does not dishonour others and will be honest.
Excellent answer based on a core Christian ideal.
But yolift out the most important part. What you have said is blatant error without includinf Jesus and following Him
So quick to judge others so late to judge thy self.
A true Christian is one who puts their faith in, or believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. It is not only a poor person nor a rich person- but can be either. According to the Bible we will know believers by their fruits - or the things we see them doing. Also, according to the Bible it is not our place to judge - judgment belongs to the Lord.
A true Christian is not a perfect person- they are a work in progress. I am not in the same place I was ten years ago and I have a lot to learn for the remainder of my years.
A true Christian can be rich or poor. The small giving of a poor person is valued by the Lord, as much as a large giving of a rich person- neither should be flaunted. Many poor people have given much time to further the Kingdom, as have many rich people invested in furthering the Kingdom.
I could spend more time on this but due to time constraints will stop here...to me though your post sounds like a non-christian judging less then perfect people....if this is not true then please show me why?
Susan, I am a Christian judging hypocritical people whose deeds don't match their words. As I have said elsewhere, God and Jesus did not forbid us to judge. Otherwise, why would God have given us that ability?
I am basing it on the scripture in Matt 7"Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with ... it shall be measured to you again." Are you prepared to be judged this way?I am not!
Susan, I know it well. It doesn't forbid us from judging. It is saying we will be judged if we judge.
Yes, I am fully prepared to be judged by God or other people. I know both my sins and my good deeds.
I don't feel as confident. I have met people who I know are Christians, but have some pretty outrageous sins. For example, an Alcoholic. An individual who can't seem to stop their sin. I guess maybe the qustion should be can a sinner be a Christian?
Absolutely! I think Jesus made that clear when he said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
Some of the best people I know have committed grave sins. Their goodness comes in part from recognizing their sins and redeeming themselves.
So, I guess that leads us back to your first comments are these people "fake Christians" or Christians that are sinners that for whatever reason have not dealt with their sins or insecurities-causing them to look down on others. This is a great topic
Your comments are very insightful. I see a difference between fake Christians who act immorally and refuse to recognize their immorality from true Christians who act immorally, recognize their mistakes and strive to do better.
Scott, I don't think scripture advocates judging ppl, rather we are to judge fruit in their life. More than semantics, it leaves judging ppl to God. We are to discern motives and judge behavior, but always respond in love. God sees the heart.
I agree with one's viewpoint.
Jesus never was a Christian.Jesus and Mary were Jews and died as Jews, following Law of Moses. Jesus never defined "Christian" or "Christianity".
Jesus never found Christianity.Please
Thanks and regards
Susan, answer = no..
Gal 5:19-21 explains it clearly
A drunkard is not a disciple of Christ, but of satan
A true Christian will seek Yahweh(God) first instead of relying on man to teach doctrines. A true Christian should test every spirit that comes in their lives. A true Christian will worship Yahweh in spirit and in truth and is a doer of the Word, not just a hearer.
You are correct, there has been exhaustive studies on this phenomenon. Christianity over the last 200 years has grown as if it is a million miles long but it has the substance of a hair thin.
Each of the eledge Christian is important to our nation’s future because they include millions of American citizens. The Casual Christian is especially significant because it represents a huge majority of the nation’s population – two out of every three adults. This particular tribe is comprised of significant proportions of minimally active born again Christians and moderately active but theologically nominal Christians. If a catalyst were added to this mix to deepen this tribe’s integration of faith and lifestyle, or even to simply create a more extensive sense of community and purpose within the tribe, unprecedented changes could occur.8
The findings reveal that most self-identified Christians in the U.S. are characterized by having the attitudes and actions researchers identified as Pharisaical. Just over half of the nation’s Christians—using the broadest definition of those who call themselves Christians—qualify for this category (51%). They tend to have attitudes and actions that are characterized by self-righteousness.
On the other end of the spectrum, 14% of today’s self-identified Christians—just one out of every seven Christians—seem to represent the actions and attitudes Barna researchers found to be consistent with those of Jesus.
In the middle are those who have some mix of action and attitude. About one-fifth of Christians are Christ-like in attitude, but often represent Pharisaical actions (21%). Another 14% of respondents tend to be defined as Christ-like in action, but seem to be motivated by self-righteous or hypocritical attitudes.9
Pharisaical Christians will debate, hate and argue your views. If you're curious about Authentic Christianity find that 16%.
The truth is being a Christian is about relationship with God through the Holy Spirit and cannot be achieved by trying harder, buckling down, reading the Bible more, going to church more or any of these. What many don't understand is that the flesh is weak, in the heart is deceitful beyond all things for who can understand it. So the only way to be a quote true Christian is 2 have the supernatural presence of God living inside of you in relationship through the Holy Spirit.
That's a thorough and informative answer. I personally find your insights about Pharisaical attitudes helpful to me. Your link is helpful as well. Thank you.
"...have the supernatural presence of God living inside of you in relationship through the Holy Spirit."
Amen! "You must be born again" (Jn3:5-7)!
The answer to this is simple....someone that has accepted Jesus Christ into their heart as their personal savior. Any other answer would be not biblical in that the reasoning behind it would need judgement, something deemed non-Christian to participate in. We as people do not hold the capability to deem someone as Christian. Would you define a Christian as someone who is not greedy, someone who does no harm, or someone who follows the path of the righteous? As a human who are we to define what is greed because maybe someone is giving all they can give but to an outside eye it looks as though they are not, that is judgement. Who are we to define what is harm whenever an event could be defined as merely an eye for an eye. Most importantly who are we to say which path is that of righteousness whenever the righteous path has been defined by God. It is within our own heart that we answer what is a true Christian for if it is full of the Lord if you are saved and you should always follow your heart. Doing so leads you down the path of righteousness and hopefully demonstrating Christian-like behavior in the Lord's name.
All you said about today's christianity are true, but there is one point I'll like to comment on. It is never a seen for christians to own wealth or riches. Its not a sin toown many houses or cars, where it become sin is if they worship those riches, show pride in them, be occupied in just the things of the world and things that made them get or keep those riches, and also if they don't serve God with it and help the needy. But it is un easy to see christians doing all I just mentioned these days.
Hi, Daniel. Great point. I agree it's not a sin to have wealth.
I believe it's hypocritical for someone to pursue wealth over everything else, destroy people's careers to gain power and attend church on Sunday to put on an act of being righteous.
Yes Scott, that is where the pride come in. This happened to me. When I lost all due to sickness, a brother who had enough came in to help, but he tried to subdue me as a result of the help he gave out. I was defenseless because everyone believed him
That is a good question, and a concern for the church from the beginning days of Corinth and Ephesus when women would compete to wear the finest clothes to impress others (1 Tim 2:9). Don't be discouraged, however, because it was going on during the writing of the New Testament, we actually have scripture that can help us deal with it. First though, I would make sure that we do not step across the line from correcting someone's inappropriate action, and judging them for a way we don't think they should act. As a Christian we are to love our Lord with all of our heart (Mt 22:37). That is what sets us apart from "nice people", other religions, and those that aren't truly Christian. When we love Jesus with all we have, we will obey His Commandments (Jn 14:15). Religion is what blinds many from a loving relationship with Jesus. Religion holds people down as if they were in chains, and continually lies to them that they need to try harder or do more. They have been deceived. We must show them love, and gracefully direct them to a true relationship with Jesus (Gal 6:1), because that is what a real Christian is; someone in a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Can we judge someone and love them at the same time?
We are not to judge the person, rather the sin. Slight difference but very important. If we judge the sin we can still love the person, but judging and loving the person at the same time would be difficult if not impossible. Mt 18:15-17
As a former right-wing conservative Christian - now enlightened - I have a rare perspective. A 'true' Christian is one who craves the truth about Jesus Christ to the extent that they are willing to do the research and adjust the harmful beliefs that have been fed to them, accordingly.
It is someone who cannot STAND the lies that swirl around about him to repel so many people from the true essense of his messages. It is why so many Christians can't handle their 'sin nature' to act the way you have described above, so often...
The problem with Christianity is that there are so many different variations - and they all view themselves as being THE right one. Every single one of them will go on & on, quoting verses from The Bible to 'prove' how THEY are right. For example, Eric and Kiss & Tales (below) always have clashing views - one is a Christian, the other is a Jehovah's Witness. Both embrace 'Christ' within the view of their religion - and neither agrees with the other, aside from a few commonalities. Its the same with Catholics & Baptists or Baptists & the holy-roller/charasmatic denomenations like Assembly of God Christians.
Why do these differences exist? Because they are all trying to explain 'holes' within basic Christian concepts that don't make sense. Most current Christian beliefs are not even CLOSE to the original teachings of Jesus Christ; but erroneous dogmas are what is forced onto the world - despite the fact that they have been debunked over & over again throughout history - especially the 'salvation message'.
Christ had a really valuable 'original' message for this world. Not seeking it out, denying it and/or continuing to proliferate harmful lies is the equivelant of spitting in Jesus' face like the guards who crucified him did. On top of that, it inspires Christians to embrace erroneous beliefs about themselves (and everyone else around them); along with completely misunderstanding 'sin' and the purpose of it within the reality of our existence.
If religious people across the globe would get their religions into perspective (not just Christianity) - our world could heal. Until then, we will continue to hurt & kill each other over the most ridiculous things. I invite everyone who is curious about the new/old perspective of Christian beliefs that are coming to light in this day & age to read through my 1st spotlight article for more information. It is a good, generic place to begin researching this very controversial topic.
Very thought and belief provoking. Well done.
Misfit the only person is right is the Heavenly Father. Again thats what has preserved before our birth and will continue .The point is are we in cooperation with those words written. Or are we drawing attention and distracting from the truth.
You are making no sense, as is often the case K&T. God does not need an incomplete, mind-manipulating, man-made book - 'his word' is SPIRIT. Try actually reading my hub for a change instead of replying with irrelevant distortions.
K&T I have listened to you for several years now. Is there a possibility of personal there and not just quote quote quote. I think that you have taught us you have no personal mind. Kudos that is great. But for here it is blah blah blah.
Eric I read the words of the Heavenly Father as the highest authority of human life .I take it very serious as it is truth and has not failed in what its outcome will be. My or yours our Misfit can not ever equal that power or knowledge. We need him.
Thanks K&T I think those might be the first two comments that I remember at least where "you" spoke and did not just quote.
Eric at Matthew 4:4. Jesus quoted from scriptures many times He quoted from Deuteronomy 8:3
Man must not live on bread alone but on every word coming from Gods word.Also at (Luke 4:16-19) he quoted Isaiah 61: 1-3
Matthew 21:16.it is refrences .
One of the most harmful things C-founders did was call that book 'God's word' - cuz now people WON'T & DON'T take the time to 'listen' to him for themselves. It has dulled our minds & our spiritual development. Twisted truths are not our real
Catherine your answer you said that you were now "enlightened". Don't you think that there are many more people that are "enlightened" than there have ever been. I don't think we now have more non-thinkers/hearers than before.
MC, How about the concept of free will? I consider myself a person of faith, not a religion. You're right about erroneous dogmas. Most Christians know so little about the history and original text of the Bible. Problem is religions are made by people
The concept of free will is very covered in my hub, Mike. It exists, big time. The 'new' basic spirituality is stuff that both atheists, christians & other religions have been exploring for at least three decades. God exists, its proven.
The true Christian must follow the true teachings, deeds and event of Jesus, not the wrong teachings made by Paul , his associates and the Church in the name of Jesus.
-Jesus never believed in Trinity.
-Jesus never died on the Cross.
-Jesus never got resurrected to the sky.
-Jesus was neither a god or son of god. He was a truthful prophet/messenger of God. Please
Is there a school of thought that reflects this view or is it just yours?
Sounds like Gnostic.
It is truthful and reasonable.
Others should also believe it if they are are reasonable and are not reason-blind. One could differ with me,however, no compulsion whatsoever. Right? Please
This is the new perspective on Paul I've been telling you about, Eric. YES, Paul taught something completely different than what C's have been taught - BUT Paul is not the conspiracy, the pagan church was. Many C's hate Paul, now - SO sad!
Paarsurrey. I respect your rather Gnostic/Islamic approach. But for sure I need not remind you that most people who are not Muslim recognize Jesus as the Son of God. For sure even Buddhists.
That is not true, Eric. Buddhist & other religions consider Jesus to be the 'same kind' of Master that Buddha was - which, he was. Plus, as I have told you so many times - Christian perspectives are changing, big time. Read my 1st spotlight hub.
A true Christian recognises that he's a sinner and knows that his only path to redemption is Jesus. His life is a reflection of this belief.
not true scripture states clearly that we are no longer sinners after we become true disciples of Christ. we may sin but we repent. sinners lifestyle is sin
Susan some people like to say "I sin but am not a sinner because...." Semantics are funny that way. I trust far more a man who recognizes he is a sinner.
anyone that says a true born again disciple of Christ is still a sinner has no real comprehension of scripture. says scripture
I would assume that this comment means that the Celafoe no longer sins. Far out. I have never met such a man before or after baptism. But Charlie is special.
eric again you show you lack of understanding and love for lies. I never said I do not sin, scripture says a real disciple of Christ is not a sinner, we sin ,repent are forgiven but IT IS NOT OUR LIFESTYLE. sinners do not repent or change
U know NOTHING about sin, Charlie - U don't know what God created it for; and you you're clueless about its purpose in our lives. This is where C's do the most harm: allowing imposed pagan views to continue harming vulnerable souls.
Charlie you do well with faith. But do not venture into semantics. What you just said here is complete word games. One who sins is a sinner. Is that hard for your your understanding of words? One who sins is a sinner. So clear and so true.
"One who sins is a sinner. So clear and so true." Everyone who believes this is in bondage to the pagan version of Christianity. Moreover, U believe in lies meant to deceive & keep U from the truth. Do your homework, C's.
A focus on sin seems to me to emphasize the negative in Christianity. Is it healthier to focus on virtue and righteousness?
it is MOST HEALTHY to focus on scriptural truth instead if JW and other denominational lies. Most of what is called Christian has nothing to do with Christ but building the kindoms of men and that is why they must lie to build it, God is not in it
going to "church" has nothing to do with following Christ.
Any answer to this question that does not include Repenting and SUBMITTING to Christ is not a valid answer. Unfortunately what is today called christianity is a religion of men 99% of the time. Though Christianity should mean followers of Christ , today it usually means followers of certain men, which are false religions. So much of what is called christianity has been corrupted that it has destroyed the valid use of the term that is why many do not wish to called by it and prefer to be called what they actually are, disciples of Christ. True disciples of Christ obey all of His commands and fulfill ALL of the requirements of the name, christians (churchians is the correct name) do not, they pick and choose which doctrines they prefer, not whether they are correct. BiG DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO
Since the bible and our experiences show us that we cannot look to men to learn truth about following Christ, we can only find that through communion with the Holy Spirit.
True Followers of Christ understand that they are to test EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE against scripture by the Holy Spirit not against fallible men.
AND MOST importantly they understand that true followers of Christ DO NOT GO TO "CHURCH" THEY ARE THE CHURCH.
True disciples are baptized in (filled with) the Holt Spirit and understand that HE is the ONLY source or truth so they take everything they read, hear and think to Him to find if it be of God and if it is not they reject it for what it is- false doctrine. You will not learn to do this IN "church", you learn this by studying scripture for yourself with the aid of the Holy Spirit, there is no other way to truth.
@charlie (celafoe) said:
"Though Christianity should mean followers of Christ , today it usually means followers of certain men, which are false religions." Unquote
I agree with one here.Modern Christianity does not belong to Jesus. Please
People who still believe in the distorted biblical interpretations R just as off as 'churchgoers' about Christ. U R set free when U realize the pagan gospels R lies & awaken to 'God within' as Christ did.
This crazy notion that church goers are bad people is insane. Hatred of churches is hatred and is not according to Christ. Get together and have some happy and rejoice in Christ. Screw dogma for or now the de jour against church.
eric-again you accuse falsely. I never said churchgoers are bad peoplehe church system is not of God and those who serve a man or a church are not serving Christ. Disciples of Christ serve Christ not any man or plan of man.
Stop telling lies
Charlie, you are not telling lies if you don't believe they are lies - and your perception is based on conspiracy theories. You're both 'off' where Christ is concerned. It is yet another good example of Christian chaos.
It is fine to say that the HS told me that and it is different than what the HS told you. But I firmly believe that if both views and interpreted through love and thought they will find commonality.
Commonality? Really? Christ's message is more of a general fairytale, then - nothing 'real' about it if we can just sort of piece things together within our own mind and find a common sliver with others? That sounds like a complacent excuse...
A true Christian is someone who believes in God and Jesus, tries to not sin as much as possible, and all that. Tithing also helps I think.
tithing was for the old testament only, only a natural levite could collect a tithe. it is NOT PART OF THE NEW TESTAMENT AGE. It was part of the previous age and was finished at the cross with the rest of that age
I know that. But, tithing is also a thing people do. For the church.
gr- but true Christians do not. and they do not "go to church", they know THEY ARE THE CHURCH. They do noting for the "churches of men".
only disciples of men go to "church"
You can continue to try to separate Christians into as many piles as you want, Charlie - that's how we ended up with so many denomenations, LoL! How many more do you think we need to explain things? Think outside of the box...
Don't question my spirituality. I am a Christian. I go to church occasionally to learn a little more about the Bible and see if they teach the stuff I do know the way I do.
Thx! That's your view, this is mine.
Clear as a bell with no ambiguity whatsoever: Matthew 7:1-3.
Celafoe you are false doctrine.
eric- as usual your scripture reference has nothing to do with he scripture at hand. you do not understand scripture at all, but the you say it is not needed , just your perverted idea of love is all in all.
Not even a question, GalaxyRat - no doubt you are a Christian. Contentment of belief is within our intentions. But, some Christians see themselves as judges of everyone else; and its amazing how twisted things R just among Christians.
Charlie you preach false doctrine. At least I do not say I am right and you are wrong. At least I do not claim to be God's spokesman as you do. And yes I do not teach hate and condemnation if differing from me, I teach love is God.
Thanks Catherine- being Christian is accepting Jesus, keeps a clear head (at least tries to), tries not to sin, and all that. Also: Charlie, you may worship differently, but that doesn't mean we do as well.
Each man/soul is created by our God and Savior and the Holy Spirit. Please have your own belief on the Trinity concept. I like the different aspect of ourselves. And so God created our belief unique. Good for Charlie, not how God made me.
The problem with trinity is that it harmfully distorts Jesus' human example & purpose - plus, it defines humans erroneously as 'unworthy sinners' (this is the very idea Jesus came to FREE souls FROM cuz it ALREADY existed in paganism).
A true Christian is a person who carries out his daily activities, by keeping in mind the morals of humanity; human rights, equal opportunities, live a good life and prosper, through practicing their beliefs to respect thy neighbour and by respecting all forms of religion.
There is so much truth in this question.
1.Christians should have a serving heart.
2. Selfless as they die to sin as covered by the blood of the cross.
3. Aspire to be the hands and feet of our Lord Jesus Christ, to act as He would in a broken world.
4. Christians should humble themselves before God almighty that He be glorified and exalted. As we exalt self or the world we are humbled.
5. Truly believers of God's promises and perfectly imperfect in our faith walks to draw others to a light that should be shining for all to see. A light that leads to the hope we find in Christ alone.
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