Faith should be with reason; not a blind faith

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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
What is wrong with believing something by Faith?

The wrong is that it is blind; while faith should be based on reason and wisdom; not a blind faith.

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I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes......and tell us your reasoning for having faith to be a Muslim?
  
  Does it have anything to do with a unreasonable afterlife with multiple virgins as reward for believing?
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Jeopardy theme music plays"
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I want to know paarsurrey's answer to this too.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend Brenda Durham
  
  Islam is a very naturally evolved religion; and Quran is the revealed Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. Quran is the only existing Word in the original text and in the original language it was revealed on the heart of Muhammad. It is for this reason that I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
  
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend marinealways24
  
  Islam is a very naturally evolved religion; and Quran is the revealed Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. Quran is the only existing Word in the original text and in the original language it was revealed on the heart of Muhammad. It is for this reason that I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
  
  Thanks for asking this good question.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you are absolutely right my friend...reason should be above everything..test everything before accepting it ,,,
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  spot on!
  hello philo, good bye Ism.
  
  "get some grace before you say grace"
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend pisean282311
  
  Thanks for appreciating.
  
  Regards
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It means you might just be wrong, especially if it is faith without evidence.
  
  Reason and wisdom are not affiliated with faith, they are not related.
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Tell Jobe about blind faith.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friends
  
  Who is this Jobe? English is not my mother tongue; please tell me frankly.
  
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you have a reason, then there's no Faith.
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Faith is only blind to those who do not have it.
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  goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Faith is the principle of power and action. It governs all that we do. We exercise faith, that hope of the unseen, when we shower, shop, care for a child, go to work, visit the sick and even learn in the schools. As pertaining to God, faith is obtained and strengthened through applying the gospel standard into one's life. Witnessing the fruits of those actions builds faith even beyond "reasoning."
  
  I agree, faith should never be blind. Faith, however, is never at a plateau. It is in a constant state of increase or decrease depending on our actions and thoughts. All religious doctrine and counsel received should be questioned with boldness. In other words, put to the test through application and prayer. That is where testimony is built. That is where faith is fostered.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend goldenpath
  
  What do you mean by the gospel standard?
  
  Even the Atheists do activities; what is their princple of power and action; if we take your words? Please
  
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  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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skyfireposted 13 years ago
I'm telling ya, Neil Armstrong heard azaan on moon and many things mentioned in quran are now discovered by scientists and hence it is not blind faith. Am33n.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend skyfire
  
  That is just a hearsay; it is not mentioned in Quran, the first and foremost source of guidance of Muslims whatever the faith.
  
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  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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kessposted 13 years ago
One's Faith should indeed be based on reason.

Now what is the judge of what is reasonable?

Truth of course.

And what then is Truth?

Ah... then it is only you the individual should know truth when it appears.

What if our truth differs?

Then one is not net seeing clearly and should not feel obligated to conform to the other "truth", until He too sees it.

Well how can they then agree?

Desire to know truth is key.

If their desire is truly to know the Truth, then they will come to a compromise and can abide until the truth is seen clearly by both.

Otherwise they will never ever agree for they will live by their measure of faith.
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think it is truthful to assume you go to a religious heaven?
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no its not..but at same time rejecting everything which comes from religion is other form of blind faith....there are many things stated in religion bcoz of reason at same time many which are pure out of blind faith...one may differentiate and take right things...
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, there is a lot of history and learning that can be done from religion, just from an outside unbiased perspective.
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  kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where there is Truth there is Life and that is heaven and the only religion.
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
Reason and wisdom are not affiliated with faith, they are not related

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My car has started every morning for the past three years and gotten me to where I was going.
Reason and Faith tells me that it is going to do it again tomorrow morning and many days to come.
Faith and reason are sitting in the same chair.
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prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago
blind faith, have you felt love before, you cant see it but you can feel it, is that blind faith!

The most important things in life are those that felt not seen!
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but you can usually see who are what it is that you love. A lot of people do not put love in things they don't have an image of.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  a lot but most love to love isnt it and it is felt, hi marine good morning, ya know I love always to see and read your comments even though I cant see ya, I believe in you!
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  marinealways24posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good Morning to you. Ah, thanks, I believe in you too, your comments are an extension of your consciousness. I have faith that you and everyone here typing is conscious.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nah, it is my alter ego!
  
  Let me tell you that whatever happens I still have faith first in anything before I believe in it!
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just an observation, that would be putting the cart before the horse.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, do you always based your life, your belief system in scientific ways, I bet you have faith first before you can even believe "scientific" phenomenon
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's not really the point I was making. If I showed you something you never saw before, you wouldn't believe it existed until you had faith in it, first.
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've never seen the wind, yet I feel it...I see its affects.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have seen atmospheric particles under a microscope and know it exists, as well as feeling its effects. I observe weather patterns and their origins and can feel their effects, too.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh am talking of the things you havent seen yet, but if you show me that thing of course I believe in it,
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm also speaking of things that cannot be seen only felt.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Such as what?
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The sound barrier..heat of the sun on my skin
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Those are all things we can measure with instruments and our senses, they exist and can be explained in great detail.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  love, love
  
  and smell
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  luvpassionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  many of these and more.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi luv, good to see you here! I hope youre doing good!
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Such as...
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Emotions are physical attributes of our biochemical composition, they have effects that can be measured and observed.
  
  We can observe the brains activities and see the effects of love in people. Smell is easily explained, odors are particles in the air that are picked up by receptors in our nose.
  
  Try harder.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Can you see the particles how about the molecules and all involve in love, the thing is there are just some things which you cant see but they are there, and GOD is one, period, good morning!
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You keep saying that but you never provide anything that substantiates your claim. That things that you do provide are explained phenomena.
  
  I think this is what you want to believe and nothing more.
  
  Good morning to you, too.
  
  So, you can't see or detect this invisible god, but he's there?
  
  That's like saying I can't see or detect this invisible dragon in by backyard, but I know he is there, period.
  
  Notice how my claim means nothing at all without some evidence?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, anything I can conjure from my imagination, you'll believe it exists if I tell you exists, and you wouldn't require a shred of evidence, either? Anything?
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  if you're making sense, GOD make sense to me!
  
  if you tell me you saw a horse which is colored purple, I doubt it, hehe, maybe you painted it
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friends
  
  Yours is a positive thinking; it does not hinder scientific thought. One does not need to have a negative thinking or to be skeptic "in the name of science";it is a blind faith.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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sooner than laterposted 13 years ago
John 4:24, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

It is most important to find truth before you can find faith. Somewhere in the book of Ephesians it explains that faith is a gift from God that we might understand Him. But if we cannot find truth- we could never have faith.
When I finally found truth and pure teachings my faith was no longer "I have faith that God exists" but it transferred to "I have faith in Gods promise" because i now know that He exists and to think otherwise is impossible
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend sooner than later
  
  God Allah YHWH is not a spirit; because God is the Creator of Spirits also. God exists but has no body or spirit; all bodies and spirits are His creation. He is known by His attributs.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Ahmadi,
  
  I cannot say that I know what the physical nature of God/Yahweh must be. I do know that Jesus's teachings are true and I can't wait to understand more.
  
  I am Sooner the peaceful Christian.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend sooner than later
  
  There is no physical nature of the Creator- God Allah YHWH; nature and its physical forms have been created by Him.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
prettydarkhorse wrote:

the thing is there are just some things which you cant see but they are there

Paarsurreye says:

Physical things could be seen and observed with physical senses. For eithical, moral and spiritual things the tools are different.

We never calim that the Creator- God Allah YHWH has a body or a spirit; this is what we human beings have. The Creator- God Allah YHWH has only attributes, so he could only be recognized from his attributes. Our eyes cannot see God; he himelf says; but he himself reveals his person to the truthful persons called Messengers Prophets by having a conversation with them, by accepting their prayers, by helping them against all odds.

So many ways of his manifestation.

All these experiences were observed by Muhammad; of the previous Messengers are mentioned in Quran.

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I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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Lady_Eposted 13 years ago
Faith is the evidence of things not seen.

Salaam...
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend Lady_E
  
  I agree with you.
  
  The Creator- God Allah YHWH has endowed us with reason; why should we not use it in His service?
  
  Thanks and wa-ulaikum-us-salam
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend
  
  That might be your belief; not mine .Blind faith is a shallow faith; faith with reason and wisdom is the real faith.
  
  Thanks
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend
  
  And it starts with reason; Word of revelation increases the power of reason manifolds to reach certainty.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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Inspiration101posted 13 years ago
I think I know where you're coming from. Although in the end... faith IS blind, people should be responsible for their thoughts and beliefs, and not just follow like sheep.

For example, after asking someone I know a few questions regarding the Bible... instead of say, "Hey, I don't know about that, I'll look into it," I got "Listen, I don't question the Bible anymore, I just believe!"
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Beelzedad wrote:

Reason and wisdom are not affiliated with faith, they are not related.

Paarsurrey says:

In Islam, these are interconnected.

"A Revealed Book must have the essential feature of illustrating of its own the truth of its principles very clearly. It is not a proper characteristic of a Divine Book that one learns a few things from it vaguely or unreasonably just like the cramming of a parrot; and then one thinks that one has attained the salvation and that is the end of it.

It is indeed a commendable merit for a Revealed Book to show reasonable arguments and elaborate them to a level that one secures profound level of absolute certainty because of its rich arguments; so that no-one could disrupt such a person with any distorted evil suggestion. The believer benefitted from this certainty; all of his conduct, communications and his beliefs get improved under its influence. He pursues Truth consciously realizing the truth face to face and leaves wrong after realizing the wrong with certainty of conviction to the affect that he attains real purity and its characteristics are reflected in him visibly.

As long as one dwells in the hell of ignorance one cannot come out of the blind faith due to lack of knowledge, sluggish attitude or due to the pull of the material world; and hence one cannot attain full certainty. Having no insight in reason he is in unsteady condition and as such in fact in a dangerous state."

Braheen-e Ahmadiyya Foot-Note # 5.

Paarsurrey had translated it for our friends here; in case of any ambiguity original in Urdu should be referred.

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I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They are not interconnected, you have rejected the truth and are too skeptical. Why don't you believe the truth?
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Inspiration101 wrote:

people should be responsible for their thoughts and beliefs, and not just follow like sheep.

Paarsurrey says:

I agree with you that people should not follow like sheep.

Thanks
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Question : What is wrong with believing something by Faith?

Answer : The wrong is that it is blind; while faith should be based on reason and wisdom; not a blind faith.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Thanks !Very 'enlightening ' !
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  Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You did seemed to be enlightened, with all the smileys, in some sorts, so maybe he brought the light upon thee - in one way or another. Ha-ha!
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Passing the light to you. You seem pretty obscure !
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  Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Obviously, I am, very much so. Remember?
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  tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do I have to remember something ?
  
  I don't even know you !
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  Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here I was, thinking otherwise? Geez, how obscure can I get?
  You are such a tantrum in your own persona of the so-called field of psychiatric studies...
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
The religion forums seem to have become a competition to see who can post the most ignorant stupid misspelled grammatically wrong poorly constructed thread!
Time to pick a winner! Any nominations?
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  mjane... paarsurrey at least usually doesn't yell at us in ALL CAPS
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Small mercy! You should have been around to see his original sock-puppet!
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol I can only imagine
  
  If we are going for least grammatically correct there's that girl e something f something... I don't actually remember the name
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yep! Maybe not the outright winner though!
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  crmhaskeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I haven't been around long enough to have a plethora of people to choose from
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  Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Earnest: You used to be the number one poster in the religious forums before parlay paarsurrey came about. Ya?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Many others have shared the number one position as posters.
  I don't recall making a pile of nonsense threads though!
  usmanali or parra posted dozens of paranoid threads displaying hate loathing and fear of almost every belief known to man.
  I think those terrifying free masons who were always chasing him must have caught up with him and and washed his mouth out with Lisol!
  
  He was hilarious then as he is now!
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  Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, the he/she Muslim has us all beat in the "poppycock" category...
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Obscure, I will try to locate some of his old usmanali threads and posts. Very entertaining!
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  Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please do, as I now recall the name "usmanali" via Mark K.'s prior posts, but I've never read any of them. Yeah, feel free to exploit the territory amid HubPages - hell, it probably does make for some excellent entertainment.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Does anyone know how to find old posts from Paara/usmanali/.... I can't remember his other sock puppets name, but it will come to me.
His empty profile is still here somewhere!
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/18224 is one forum topic with some of his posts, if it is the same one. There are at least 4 Usmanalis on HubPages at the moment.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you SirDent! I will fertilise your farm again for that!
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
I found this list of all the people paara (as usmanali hates, fears and railed against.

Rubbishists, evolutionists, atheists, capitalists, materialists, socialists, humanists, zionists, freemasons, nudists, bikini clad people, homosexuals, transsexuals, bisexuals, Australians, Americans, and Europeans, Albert Einstein, Oscar Wild, Charles Darwin, Mark Twain, Madonna (female freemason} All music stars, film stars, and I feel sure I have missed many. That is all I can remember from the last month or so.

How about that list parra?

Sort of blows you away as peaceful and tolerant eh?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Anything to say Parra?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think that if you just ignore what your previous sock puppet said it will go away Parra?
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dfagerposted 13 years ago
We can put human knowledge and human truth in a box and it would be very small in comparison to what we don't know about the universe. Therefore, I don't think it nothing to reach beyond what I know in faith and hope.

When we talk about ideas and concepts, they have no form and cannot be seen, heard, tasted, felt or smelled. We have no basis to believe that reality conforms to our reasoning and reveals all it's mysteries to our minds.

Belief is not reason. Even C.S. Lewis said that "seeing is not believing". I am willing to believe in God because I recognize how small and insignificant my truth is. Once I made this small leap of thinking, I discovered a whole new reality! I became a child of an infinite God.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
you are a funny person. Have a little widom; no harm
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