I was just going to say, "Again?" but I thought I'd check it out just to make sure my typical smarmy comment wasn't totally off-whack. But something weird starts to download when you open that site, so, I recommend people not go look unless they are daring.
Might be nothing, but I wasn't gonna wait to find out.
The article starts out : "HONG KONG: A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers said they believe they may have found Noah's Ark —four thousand metres up a mountain in Turkey....." Key word -"evangelical" Credibity went right out the window. Look, Noah's Ark is a nice story based on an ancient Samartian story that took place on the banks of the Tigaris River in Iraq. Every culture that lives on a major river tells a story of a flood and how a hero built a big boat (Native American's along the Missisippi River tells a similar story of a hero building a giant canoe) to save the day.
Don't recall ever hearing about dinosaurs having a spot on Noah's Ark. As for teaching the biblical story of Noah's Ark being mental abuse to children......you should educate yourself on the ancient history of the world's religions in regard to the Flood. Considering the current angst between Islam and Christianity, I've located the following Islamic reference to the Flood:
"Furthermore, there are passages in the Quran where a universal flood is clearly implied, if not explicitly stated. In fact, these very same passages are appealed to by Muslim writers, such as al-Tabari, to support the fact that the flood was universal. Before proceeding to the Muslim writings, let us first examine the Quranic witness to the universality of Noah's flood:
"At length, behold! There came Our Command, and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: `Embark therein, of each two, male and female, and your family- except those against whom the Word has already gone forth,- and the believers.' But only a few believed with him." S. 11:40
"Then the word went forth: `O earth! Swallow up thy water, and O sky! withhold (thy rain)! And the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: `Away with those who do wrong!'" S. 11:44
These verses state that the earth gushed forth with water, implying that the flood was universal. It does not say that only the land where Noah lived gushed forth with flood waters."
I am copying the entire content of that article in a popular newspaper from India called Times of India. ---------------------------------------------------------
HONG KONG: A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers said they believe they may have found Noah's Ark — four thousand metres up a mountain in Turkey.
The team say they recovered wooden specimens from a structure on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey that carbon dating proved was 4,800 years old, around the same time the ark is said to have been afloat.
"It's not 100% that it is Noah's Ark but we think it is 99.9% that this is it," Yeung Wing-cheung, a Hong Kong documentary filmmaker and member of the 15-strong team from Noah's Ark Ministries International said.
The structure had several compartments, some with wooden beams, which were believed to house animals, he said. The group of archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds that one had never been found above 3,500 metres in the vicinity.
Lest any of you folks out there with no sense of humor think that I've committed some kind of sacrilege, remember that humor taps the heart and soul and leads them to discoveries that could be made no other way.
True Believer you are new to Hub Pages. Mark is teasing you. You have opened a forum with a link to an article that was much publicized, but even the scientists who have made the discovery can offer no valid proof.
There are at least 88 different cultures that have a flood story about a giant craft made to house the animals. Perhaps there is only one Ark, or perhaps there were a hundred. No one knows for sure.
Friend did I start the topic in the wrong area. I thought I selected Christianity and those who believe in Jesus Christ would be find this news interesting. I am sorry if I started in wrong area. I am learning now.
I know he started just a while ago. I am still learning about people also. I am usually the bleeding heart that takes them through the hub process because they have started their hub in the forum instead of the hub tool.
Well - you can take your clues from his user name "True Believer" and that he started a thread to push the ridiculous notion that "evangelical scientists" are 99.9% certain that they have found Noah's Ark.
I read it last night, I was going to do a hub on it, but frankly I am here to spread joy and laughter and make money. A hub about Noah's Ark? What am I gonna sell, tickets to Turkey? The rest of my hubs are to raise awarenes to real harsh issues like abuse, human trafficking and animal cruelty. We are responsible for what happens here and now.
I believe in God, but people have to be responsible for their actions, and no 4000 year old ark is going to stop people from skinning dogs and cats in Asia.
After a couple of weeks of being trolled by you I guess it just rubbed off in the end.
What exactly do you have against me posting anyway - you attached yourself to me the moment I arrived and even though it is clear I have no interest in your empty and usually insulting comments you persist - even to the point of constantly posting clearly unwanted comments on my hubs.
Friend I was not aware he was joking. Thank you for reply. Some things have to be experienced and experiments not always reliable. My faith in Bible makes me a believer. Friend can you tell me how to put picture here?
Ah, here's an example of how religion makes people stupid. Ruins of an ancient wooden structure are found high in a mountain. How did they get there? Who lived there permanently enough to leave ruins and why did we have no record of them?
But that sort of question is disregarded in favor of pretending to have found support for an unsupportable myth.
True Believer, welcome. I have a few notes to add.
1. The flood is evident on every major land mass. Bible says that water erupted from under mountains and the great firmament fell upon the earth. A water firmament surrounding the earth would support dino's living conditions and a catostrophic event such as mountains turning to mud and flowing over the top of them would explain why there are fossils trapped in "flat" stratum layers. It would also explain why petrified trees lay through two layers that are supposed to be millions of years apart.
2. It is not hard to imagine that different breeds of animals could start from one pair. Dogs for example have hundreds of breeds. they came from only wild dog varieties. This is possible because each egg and sperm has enough dna options to produce millions of varieties. Impala,Eland,Blackbuck,Kudu are 4 of 74 antelope species in Africa alone. On the Ark were probably one pair. Actually, DNA Sequencing alone is enough reason to walk away from evolution "theory"(they teach proof remember) alone. The first 30 seconds of an egg and sperm joining is 100X more complex than man landing on the moon. DNA splice, join, break, skip, flip, stretch and move at millions of altercations per second. If you want to believe a Creator had no part in that, fine. Ill advisable though. God loves diversity it seems, but He doesn't like ignorance.
3. The ark measurements were proportionate to ship building of today. Thats right- that drunk "idiot" (so you will hear) of the past had ship building experience? No. God gave him something he couldn't have known. Devine intervention at its best.
2: So according to you evolution is obviously impossible, but all the worlds current biodiversity evolved from a couple hundred individual creatures starting from 4000 years ago.
3: No they aren't, today we don't build boats that size out of wood. The myth just lays down what would have seemed like an impressively large ship to people back in the day, but God would have had to teach Noah how to forge an iron hull.
It would take human extermination down to two breeding pairs more than once in those 6000 years to justify todays populations- so pull out some tp rolls and explain your 2.4 billion year cycle. ohh... please.
@earnest...great flood is in every big religion..dont know why..but it is there...noah is called manu is hindu scriptures and guess something else in others..may be there was some great flood during early days of human beings which got recorded and continued with added things later on..i dont know..but i think , it can be the case...what do u think?
Kurdish workers carted wood up Mt. Ararat in order to fake the discovery of Noah’s Ark, an archeologist who worked on the dig says.
On Tuesday, a group of Asian Christian evangelicals held a press conference in Turkey to announce they were “99.9 per cent” sure they’d found the biblical boat.
The claim was greeted with immediate skepticism, which seems increasingly well founded.
The bible suggests that the ark came to rest after 40 days of flooding in the “mountains of Ararat.” The mountain, located in Turkey near the border with Armenia, is an inhospitable place for both geographic and political reasons. And even the translation is suspect.
The bible specifies that the landing spot is “Urartu.” Over time Urartu became Ararat, a name that was given to the mountain long after the bible was written. So it’s not exactly clear where the bible’s authors meant. Thus, it’s slightly suspect that the ark should show up exactly where we want it to be.
Nonetheless, Ararat has drawn a steady stream of explorers for decades. Many of them have “discovered” the ark.
“I don’t know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it,” said archeologist Paul Zimansky recently told National Geographic.
Ditto Noah’s Ark Ministries International. The evangelical-archeological group claims to have found the remains of the ark in a series of caverns near the peak of Ararat in 2008. Video footage provided by the group shows incongruous wooden beams jutting through the ice in a cavern. They also claim that carbon dating puts the age of the wooden beams discovered at 4,800 years old.
The scientific-creationist movement (yes, such a thing exists) has suggested that the entire radio-carbon dating process must be recalibrated. This is their way of explaining how objects can be shown to be tens of thousands of years old on a planet they believe was created out of the void 6,000 years ago.
So even they doubt Noah’s Ark Ministries, since in their time-compressed radio-carbon world, 4,800 years is far too young for the ark.
Now, someone within the Noah’s Ark Ministries camp is rubbishing the discovery.
Randall Price, an evangelical Christian, was apparently one of the original archeologists hired by the group. He has been circulating an email, alleging that the wooden beams were taken from a site near the Black Sea and then planted on Ararat. Price has stopped talking about the incident, and is involved in some sort of financial dispute with Noah’s Ark Ministries. But he did acknowledge the email to the Christian Science Monitor.
For now, the doubters have no way of directly confronting the evidence. The Noah’s Ark Ministries team intends to keep the ark’s purported location secret until they get it designated a UNESCO World Heritage site.
There seem to be a lot of stories that are shared by many cultures. The Tree of Life is also another that appears throughout cultures. There may be some truth in these stories, or they may be symbols and allegories. Either way, they are not without value, but to construe and fabricate acts of magic, miracles, etc., is also going to be commonplace among such stories.
I recall reading that Ron Wyatt had found the ark. I seem to remember reading that they tested a piece that he brought back. If I recall correctly it was dated at the time that Noah would have built it using the carbon dating method.
I also recall reading that carbon dating is not accurate.
I don't know specifics about it. I do know it has to do with the half life of carbon and that everything has carbon in it. They measure the carbon present and compare it with the carbon it should have, or something like that.
I don't believe they actually found the ark. If the ark is still intact it will have to be petrified or frozen in a mountain of ice.
Ron Wyatt also reportedly found a chariot wheel in the Red Sea.
He also reportedly found the Ark of the Covenant under Golgotha where Christ was crucified. Of course he didn't bring the Ark with him.
These may be the perfect examples of how belief in superstitions is best perpetuated. The Catholic church, for centuries (and still do), cherished and fought over "sacred relics" such as a bone from the body of John the Beloved, and the list is endless.
So then producing other religious "relics" will only infuse further belief in superstition among the masses, but in actual fact, there seems to be little if any evidence to truly provide such belief. That's the saddest news to me.
I think Steven Spielberg got it right in Raiders: the arch of the convenant is lost in a government warehouse. Where all sacred relics apparently are. Area 51 probably also has significant secrets to tell someday.
Sir Dent: I also recalled the Ron Wyatt "discovery" which, by various accounts, is the "most likely" to be the "real" ark. Here is a link: http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah%27s_ark.htm I can't find the date of the discovery though (easily, anyway).
According to that "discovery,"
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It is in the shape of a boat, with a pointed bow and rounded stern. 2.
Exact length as noted in biblical description, 515 feet or 300 Egyptian cubits. (Egyptian not Hebrew cubit would have been known to Moses who studied in Egypt then wrote Genesis.) 3.
It rests on a mountain in Eastern Turkey, matching the biblical account, "The ark rested . . . upon the mountains of Ararat" Genesis 8:4. (Ararat being the name of the ancient country Urartu which covered this region.) 4.
Contains petrified wood, as proven by lab analysis. 5.
Contains high-tech metal alloy fittings, as proven by separate lab analyses paid for by Ron Wyatt, then performed later by Kevin Fisher of this web site. Aluminum metal and titanium metal was found in the fittings which are MAN-MADE metals! 6.
Vertical rib timbers on its sides, comprising the skeletal superstructure of a boat. Regular patterns of horizontal and vertical deck support beams are also seen on the deck of the ark. 7.
Occupied ancient village at the ark site at 6,500 ft. elevation matching Flavius Josephus' statement "Its remains are shown there by the inhabitants to this day." 8.
Dr. Bill Shea, archaeologist found an ancient pottery sherd within 20 yards of the ark which has a carving on it that depicts a bird, a fish, and a man with a hammer wearing a headdress that has the name "Noah" on it. In ancient times these items were created by the locals in the village to sell to visitors of the ark. The ark was a tourist attraction in ancient times and today. 9.
Recognized by Turkish Government as Noah's Ark National Park and a National Treasure. Official notice of its discovery appeared in the largest Turkish newspaper in 1987. 10.
Visitors' center built by the government to accommodate tourists further confirms the importance of the site. 11.
Huge anchor stones were found near the ark and in the village Kazan, 15 miles away, which hung off the rear of the ark to steady its ride. 12.
The ark rests upon Cesnakidag (or Cudi Dagi) Mountain, which is translated as "Doomsday" Mountain. 13.
Dr. Salih Bayraktutan of Ataturk University stated, "It is a man made structure, and for sure it's Noah's Ark" Common Sense. This same article also states "The site is immediately below the mountain of Al Judi, named in the Qur'an as the resting place of the Ark." Houd Sura 11:44 14.
Radar scans show a regular pattern of timbers inside the ark formation, revealing keels, keelsons, gunnels, bulkheads, animal chambers, ramp system, door in right front, two large barrels in the front 14' x 24', and an open center area for air flow to all three levels.
I saw a Discovery Channel (tends to be credible) documentary on this once. They explained the science of how the animals COULD have been easily cared for, etc.
Hasn't science also proven the existence of a flood at the relevant time period?
Discovery channel is not a credible source at all. My goddesses, the crap I've seen on Discovery 'documentaries'. Half of them oughtta be illegal. No wonder people have no clue what to believe these days. We've legitimized everything. It's now perfectly respectable to be an arabic jew for christ fortune-teller who believes that non-angelic aliens secretly rule the world, in cahoots with freemasons, of course, the military knows all about it, and bigfoot too, and Obama is the anti-christ, you can tell cause his stepfather was indonesian.
If none of that is clear to you, obviously you've never watched the Discovery channel.
Oddly, Mormons are lumped together with a lot of other religions that are perceived to believe and practice strange things. They are certainly not alone. Threads in the forums pretty much prove it, I think.
I've got a question for the ones who believe in this super savior of a floating device: Just how many animals can ya fit on a big boat!? It sounds like a lot of life was left to drown, so what in the hell happened? LOL!
I think non believers shouldn't be so skeptical about possible evidence for Biblical finds..its possible that a lot of the stories in the Bible are true even if you don't believe in God..so it's more about learning about our history
Well speaking personally - I am sick and tired of being told what I "should " and "shouldn't" do by people not in any way qualified to tell me what to do. In fact - this is the crux of my issue with irrational belief systems.
LOLOL at the biblical stories being true. Seriously. LOL There are plenty of sources to learn about history - and the bible is not one of them. LOLOL
Two of every animal................... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
A historical perspective. How so? That you think it is possible that three men, using hand tools, made a 450 foot-long boat to hold 2 of every animal 4,000 years ago on the instructions of a god who intended to wipe every living thing off the planet for sinfulness?
Well if it is the Ark, then geology, earth science, geochemistry, geophysics, glaciology, paleoclimatology and paleontology are all wrong, cause they say there never was a global flood. Of course scientists are no fun anyway and this is why they never get invited to parties.
Without Enkidu and Gilgamesh there would be no Biblical flood story...
With this said, I find it humorous how some people continue to figure that the earch is only a few thousand years old... "look it radio carbon dates to 4000 years ago...that means we're 99.9% it is the real ark.."
Ludicrous. I have seen proto-writing older than that... People were drinking beer and getting high long before....
The ridiculousness that follows the "self-fulfilling prophecy" strikes again....
So, what is your theory as to the original basis for the archetype of the flood? What is your theory as to how this archetypal event made it's way into diverse religious historical teachings? Including that of the Muslims?
The mind itself and the way it's creative function tries to find meaning is my answer. As all early belief systems did, people connected common events with deities. Hell, they connected everything to them in ancient history!
I got in, no trouble. You know what? I think it's the real deal. I never had any trouble believing that story. It's generic to all the cultures in the world, though they have different versions of God, Noah...etc..
So I think there really was a tremendous flood and a great big boat. I like boats; I like that story.
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