Noah's Ark discovered by scientists in Turkey

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   True Believerposted 13 years ago

   http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home … 865513.cms

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      Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I was just going to say, "Again?" but I thought I'd check it out just to make sure my typical smarmy comment wasn't totally off-whack.  But something weird starts to download when you open that site, so, I recommend people not go look unless they are daring.
      
      Might be nothing, but I wasn't gonna wait to find out.

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         Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         That is exactly what I was going to say "again"

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      Paul Wingertposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The article starts out : "HONG KONG: A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers said they believe they may have found Noah's Ark —four thousand metres up a mountain in Turkey....."
      Key word -"evangelical"
      Credibity went right out the window. Look, Noah's Ark is a nice story based on an ancient Samartian story that took place on the banks of the Tigaris River in Iraq. Every culture that lives on a major river tells a story of a flood and how a hero built a big boat (Native American's along the Missisippi River tells a similar story of a hero building a giant canoe) to save the day.

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   LegendaryHeroposted 13 years ago

   How do they know that its Noah's Ark and not just some random ancient building?

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      Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Probably has the dinosaur bones in it, since, obviously, those creatures didn't make it off the boat to keep going after the flood.
      
      Have you seen the videos of that?  The actual stuff they show children, little movies of dinosaurs walking up the ramp with the giraffes and stuff?
      
      Teaching that is "real" has to count as mental abuse to children.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Child abuse is what that is.....
         
         

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            Paradise7posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Very cute!!!

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         KFlippinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Don't recall ever hearing about dinosaurs having a spot on Noah's Ark.  As for teaching the biblical story of Noah's Ark being mental abuse to children......you should educate yourself on the ancient history of the world's religions in regard to the Flood. Considering the current angst between Islam and Christianity, I've located the following Islamic reference to the Flood:
         
         "Furthermore, there are passages in the Quran where a universal flood is clearly implied, if not explicitly stated. In fact, these very same passages are appealed to by Muslim writers, such as al-Tabari, to support the fact that the flood was universal. Before proceeding to the Muslim writings, let us first examine the Quranic witness to the universality of Noah's flood:
         
         
             "At length, behold! There came Our Command, and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: `Embark therein, of each two, male and female, and your family- except those against whom the Word has already gone forth,- and the believers.' But only a few believed with him." S. 11:40
         
             "Then the word went forth: `O earth! Swallow up thy water, and O sky! withhold (thy rain)! And the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: `Away with those who do wrong!'" S. 11:44
         
         These verses state that the earth gushed forth with water, implying that the flood was universal. It does not say that only the land where Noah lived gushed forth with flood waters."
         
         http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/flood.htm

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            getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            That only makes sense to people who already believe this impossible nonsense.  The story of Noah is illogical, therefore it must be dismissed as untrue.  A lie!

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               KFlippinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               You apparently have spent about zero time studying ancient history.  You might work on that.  And I would be remiss in not adding that such an attitude really won't fly in a Muslim world.

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   True Believerposted 13 years ago

   I am copying the entire content of that article in a popular newspaper from India called Times of India.
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   HONG KONG: A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers said they believe they may have found Noah's Ark — four thousand metres up a mountain in Turkey.
   
   The team say they recovered wooden specimens from a structure on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey that carbon dating proved was 4,800 years old, around the same time the ark is said to have been afloat.
   
   "It's not 100% that it is Noah's Ark but we think it is 99.9% that this is it," Yeung Wing-cheung, a Hong Kong documentary filmmaker and member of the 15-strong team from Noah's Ark Ministries International said.
   
   The structure had several compartments, some with wooden beams, which were believed to house animals, he said. The group of archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds that one had never been found above 3,500 metres in the vicinity.

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      Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Using that logic, here's another story:
      
      A man came home and caught his wife in the shower with another man.  He ruled cheating out on the grounds that he had never had sex with her in the bathroom.

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Nuff said.

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   True Believerposted 13 years ago

   It is not mental abuse. We do not know the size of Noah's Ark.  Friend please read Holy Bible and God's love will bring the answers.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      LOLO
      
      Child abuse. You should be arrested.

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      Peter Dickinsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Actually the Bible does state the size of the Ark.
      300 Cubits long
      50 Cubits wide
      30 Cubits high
      Genesis 6:15

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         Sally's Troveposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         And so does Bill Cosby....
         
         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0KHt8xrQkk
         
         ...in one of the finest humor pieces of all time.
         
         Lest any of you folks out there with no sense of humor think that I've committed some kind of sacrilege, remember that humor taps the heart and soul and leads them to discoveries that could be made no other way.

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   True Believerposted 13 years ago

   What did I do? I am only trying to spread God's love. Why should I be arrested? God bless you. Amen.

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      Faybe Bayposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      True Believer you are new to Hub Pages. Mark is teasing you. You have opened a forum with a link to an article that was much publicized, but even the scientists who have made the discovery can offer no valid proof.
      
      There are at least 88 different cultures that have a flood story about a giant craft made to house the animals. Perhaps there is only one Ark, or perhaps there were a hundred. No one knows for sure.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         No - I genuinely think people who teach the Noah's Ark story to their children as factual are abusing their children and should be arrested for child abuse.
         
         Mental abuse can take a life time to remove. Great list of flood stories here if you are interested in old myths:
         http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

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            Faybe Bayposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah but he's new and not from around here. No Hubs yet or anything. Just a hubkin himself.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               No - he is here to promote and push his religious beliefs and that is all he is here for.
               
               You can take the clues from his user name and the first thread he started within a few minutes of joining the site. 

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                  True Believerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Friend did I start the topic in the wrong area. I thought I selected Christianity and those who believe in Jesus Christ would be find this news interesting. I am sorry if I started in wrong area. I am learning now.

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                  Faybe Bayposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I know he started just a while ago. I am still learning about people also. I am usually the bleeding heart that takes them through the hub process because they have started their hub in the forum instead of the hub tool.

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Well - you can take your clues from his user name "True Believer" and that he started a thread to push the ridiculous notion that "evangelical scientists" are 99.9% certain that they have found Noah's Ark.
                     
                     Not 100% mind you - 99.9%.

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                        Faybe Bayposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I read it last night, I was going to do a hub on it, but frankly I am here to spread joy and laughter and make money. A hub about Noah's Ark? What am I gonna sell, tickets to Turkey? The rest of my hubs are to raise awarenes to real harsh issues like abuse, human trafficking and animal cruelty. We are responsible for what happens here and now.
                        
                        I believe in God, but people have to be responsible for their actions, and no 4000 year old ark is going to stop people from skinning dogs and cats in Asia.

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                           Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Speaking of Asia - I am setting up a company selling dinosaur hunting trips in China to Evangelists.
                           
                           You want to get involved?

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                              Faybe Bayposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              If I can make money at it with no investment other than my writing and research, I am on it!

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                              Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Be more fun to send them somewhere like this: World's newest island
                              
                              Then they can find evidence dinosaurs and god in equal proportion.

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                  alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  More likely he is an avatar of someone already on here - behaves like a troll and looks like a troll to me, maybe like the peaceful muslim guy.

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                     Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     You seem a bit obsessed with that particular paranoia.

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                        alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        smells like one also.

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                           Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           And for such a talented wordsmith you seem to fall back on simple, childish, unimaginative personal insults quite often. That's a shame.

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                              alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              After a couple of weeks of being trolled by you I guess it just rubbed off in the end.
                              
                              What exactly do you have against me posting anyway - you attached yourself to me the moment I arrived and even though it is clear I have no interest in your empty and usually insulting comments you persist - even to the point of constantly posting clearly unwanted comments on my hubs.

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                                 Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Sab O is the troll formerly known as TK sensei and is trying to provoke you into a personal attack.
                                 
                                 It suffers serious self esteem issues based around an educational deficiency and almost always picks on some one it perceives to be more well educated than itself.
                                 
                                 I am surprised it is allowed to continue in this fashion, but I suspect no one can be bothered to complain about it.

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                                 Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 "After a couple of weeks of being trolled by you I guess it just rubbed off in the end."
                                 
                                 Do you really lack the creativity to communicate without the personal insults?

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            True Believerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry friend I agree some priests do bad things on children. God has not failed us but sometimes we have failed to God. I pray for everyone to be blessed with God's love.

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            Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            How bout Santa then?

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            mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Cool! Flood myth jackpot link! Thanks Mr. Knowles.
            
            Nice bits of Native (Indian/Native American) flood accounts here, too.
            
            Yo, people, it was a CANOE, not an ark lol
            
            j/k

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   True Believerposted 13 years ago

   Friend that was a nice picture. How do we put picture here?

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      Shadesbreathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It's easy.  When you open up to make your next reply, look on the bottom right corner of the text box and you will see "Formatting Tips."  Click it and you'll get instructions for lots of fun stuff.

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         True Believerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thank You Friend. I got it.

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   True Believerposted 13 years ago

   Friend I was not aware he was joking. Thank you for reply. Some things have to be experienced and experiments not always reliable. My faith in Bible makes me a believer. Friend can you tell me how to put picture here?

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      Faybe Bayposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There's instructions but I never get it right. I will copy the instructions for you to see how it works. BRB.

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   Faybe Bayposted 13 years ago

   
   
   
   [img]LINK TO PICTURE INCLUDING HTTP// all the way to GIF[/img]
   
   It has to have the brackets and img at beginning and end.

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      True Believerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thank You Friend

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   Faybe Bayposted 13 years ago

   

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    Faybe Bayposted 13 years ago

    Hey it worked! Go to Glitter Graphics, it's got the whole thing there, pretty cool!

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       True Believerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Do you mean glittergraphics.com has pictures which I can put. Thank You Friend.

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    Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

    They also found the ships staff!
    
    

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       pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       thats funny...

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       Paradise7posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Cute!

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    True Believerposted 13 years ago

    Everybody like jokes. Thank You Friend.

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       Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       you are most welcome!
       Thank you for yours too

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          True Believerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Based on my faith I believe in Bible and I think Noah's Ark could have existed. We can not surely say yes or no and also depends on faith.  Thank You Friend for the picture.

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             Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Based on my faith, i could care less if they find Noah's Ark or any other physical evidnce that supports the Bible...
             
             Look for God in your heart and in the ideas that are writen, not in the ruble of a wooden boat

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       Faybe Bayposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yes it is so Cute! Look I can do it again.
       
       
       
       They give you a choice of HTML and forum, you just copy and paste the forum one.

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          True Believerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I will learn and do it soon. Thank You Friend

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    waynetposted 13 years ago

    That must have been one big turkey!

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    Aficionadaposted 13 years ago

    True Believer,
    
    Thank you for your gracious and patient responses to the people who only seek to ridicule you.  How sad for them that they have no more mature way to express their disagreement. 
    
    Matthew 5:9-12

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    The ark. 300 cubits long. That looks about 600ft to me ( measurement from fingers to elbow isn't it?)
    
    I just gotta see a 600 ft boat with all the earth's animals on it!
    
    That would be a tad overloaded.
    A bit like a 12ft skiff with New York on-board, buildings and all!

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    The Paulposted 13 years ago

    Ah, here's an example of how religion makes people stupid.
    Ruins of an ancient wooden structure are found high in a mountain.  How did they get there?  Who lived there permanently enough to leave ruins and why did we have no record of them?
    
    But that sort of question is disregarded in favor of pretending to have found support for an unsupportable myth.

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    jacobkuttytaposted 13 years ago

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news … n-culture/

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you for the link. Based on a 6000 year old earth eh? The article and video are very telling.
       In Australia we just uncovered a million (literally) artefacts carbon 14 dated at 40000 years.

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    pylos26posted 13 years ago

    A fifteen member team from “Noah’s Ark Ministries” have discovered Noah’s ark…does this smell fishy?

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Sure does. Religionists out to prove their bible...... in a 6000 year old world apparently!

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    sooner than laterposted 13 years ago

    True Believer, welcome.
    I have a few notes to add.
    
    1. The flood is evident on every major land mass. Bible says that water erupted from under mountains and the great firmament fell upon the earth. A water firmament surrounding the earth would support dino's living conditions and a catostrophic event such as mountains turning to mud and flowing over the top of them would explain why there are fossils trapped in "flat" stratum layers. It would also explain why petrified trees lay through two layers that are supposed to be millions of years apart.   
    
    2. It is not hard to imagine that different breeds of animals could start from one pair. Dogs for example have hundreds of breeds. they came from only wild dog varieties. This is possible because each egg and sperm has enough dna options to produce millions of varieties. Impala,Eland,Blackbuck,Kudu are 4 of 74 antelope species in Africa alone. On the Ark were probably one pair. Actually, DNA Sequencing alone is enough reason to walk away from evolution "theory"(they teach proof remember) alone. The first 30 seconds of an egg and sperm joining is 100X more complex than man landing on the moon. DNA splice, join, break, skip, flip, stretch and move at millions of altercations per second. If you want to believe a Creator had no part in that, fine. Ill advisable though. God loves diversity it seems, but He doesn't like ignorance. 
    
    3. The ark measurements were proportionate to ship building of today. Thats right- that drunk "idiot" (so you will hear) of the past had ship building experience? No. God gave him something he couldn't have known. Devine intervention at its best.
    
    Anyway, good to have you around.

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       The Paulposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       1:  Pretty much nothing there is true.
       
       2:  So according to you evolution is obviously impossible, but all the worlds current biodiversity evolved from a couple hundred individual creatures starting from 4000 years ago.
       
       3: No they aren't, today we don't build boats that size out of wood.  The myth just lays down what would have seemed like an impressively large ship to people back in the day, but God would have had to teach Noah how to forge an iron hull.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    I knew there were a lot of flood stories, but this is amazing!

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       sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I would love to challenge your train of thought but it would require longer rail than whats in a siding.

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          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yeh, you would need several rolls of toilet paper just to explain the 6000 year old planet the crud in this video relies on and believes in for starters!

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             sooner than laterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             It would take human extermination down to two breeding pairs more than once in those 6000 years to justify todays populations- so pull out some tp rolls and explain your 2.4 billion year cycle. ohh... please.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    Whatever, the world is waiting until they publish their findings and it can be studied by archeologists. Noah's Ark has been claimed to have been discovered numerous times.

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       The math is all wrong on this one UW.

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          pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          @earnest...great flood is in every big religion..dont know why..but it is there...noah is called manu is hindu scriptures and guess something else in others..may be there was some great flood during early days of human beings which got recorded and continued with added things later on..i dont know..but i think , it can be the case...what do u think?

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             earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I think it is an archetype.

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    Get Real
    
    The only True Ark would have to have been buried in elephant, turkey, swordfish and bull shit.
    Besides... How did the Wambats manage to get a ticket?
    
    Why do they ignore the importance of Coprolite (fossilised shit) at dig sites?
    
    By studying and identifying the poo.. they can establish the reality of the 'Ark' via the animal evolutionary process can't they!  

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    waynetposted 13 years ago

    How big was the turkey?

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thinking of your stomach there Wayne? I love turkey, nice bird. Better dead though .... yum! .

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          waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah it is better dead with a whole noahs ark in it's belly!!!!

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             earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Sorry mate, a we bit slow in the ole nogin tonight!

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       mythbusterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       So big they needed an ark for it?

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    waynetposted 13 years ago

    Maybe the turkey died after trying to pass the ark out, got bored on the toilet and fell asleep and died sometime later!

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You know Wayne, sometimes I think you may not believe in the ark being found at all!!

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          waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Haha, is it that obvious? it could be any boat, maybe captain birdseye lost his boat fishing one day!

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    Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

    You want to shove how many animals up my butt?
    
    

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       waynetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Old mcNoah had an ark, eyi eyi o!

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       (said as Daffy Duck.)
       Greek One you're .... you're you're .... despicable!!

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    A double wammy! Wot can I say. You guys are crazy!
    By the way I like that in a person!

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    Just a little concerned here.
    You don't suppose we have hijacked this thread do you?

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    waynetposted 13 years ago

    Haha no I think we got away with it! lol! It's that poor turkey I feel sorry for!

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    Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

    

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       pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       

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          yvensposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I agree !!!

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    Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

    Article from my local newspaper today...
    
    Kurdish workers carted wood up Mt. Ararat in order to fake the discovery of Noah’s Ark, an archeologist who worked on the dig says.
    
    On Tuesday, a group of Asian Christian evangelicals held a press conference in Turkey to announce they were “99.9 per cent” sure they’d found the biblical boat.
    
    The claim was greeted with immediate skepticism, which seems increasingly well founded.
    
    The bible suggests that the ark came to rest after 40 days of flooding in the “mountains of Ararat.” The mountain, located in Turkey near the border with Armenia, is an inhospitable place for both geographic and political reasons. And even the translation is suspect.
    
    The bible specifies that the landing spot is “Urartu.” Over time Urartu became Ararat, a name that was given to the mountain long after the bible was written. So it’s not exactly clear where the bible’s authors meant. Thus, it’s slightly suspect that the ark should show up exactly where we want it to be.
    
    Nonetheless, Ararat has drawn a steady stream of explorers for decades. Many of them have “discovered” the ark.
    
    “I don’t know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it,” said archeologist Paul Zimansky recently told National Geographic.
    
    Ditto Noah’s Ark Ministries International. The evangelical-archeological group claims to have found the remains of the ark in a series of caverns near the peak of Ararat in 2008. Video footage provided by the group shows incongruous wooden beams jutting through the ice in a cavern. They also claim that carbon dating puts the age of the wooden beams discovered at 4,800 years old.
    
    The scientific-creationist movement (yes, such a thing exists) has suggested that the entire radio-carbon dating process must be recalibrated. This is their way of explaining how objects can be shown to be tens of thousands of years old on a planet they believe was created out of the void 6,000 years ago.
    
    So even they doubt Noah’s Ark Ministries, since in their time-compressed radio-carbon world, 4,800 years is far too young for the ark.
    
    Now, someone within the Noah’s Ark Ministries camp is rubbishing the discovery.
    
    Randall Price, an evangelical Christian, was apparently one of the original archeologists hired by the group. He has been circulating an email, alleging that the wooden beams were taken from a site near the Black Sea and then planted on Ararat. Price has stopped talking about the incident, and is involved in some sort of financial dispute with Noah’s Ark Ministries. But he did acknowledge the email to the Christian Science Monitor.
    
    For now, the doubters have no way of directly confronting the evidence. The Noah’s Ark Ministries team intends to keep the ark’s purported location secret until they get it designated a UNESCO World Heritage site.

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    Daniel Carterposted 13 years ago

    There seem to be a lot of stories that are shared by many cultures. The Tree of Life is also another that appears throughout cultures. There may be some truth in these stories, or they may be symbols and allegories. Either way, they are not without value, but to construe and fabricate acts of magic, miracles, etc., is also going to be commonplace among such stories.

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    GTKYposted 13 years ago

    I was sure they had discovered the 'Noah's Ark' before. It is a wondrous discovery non the less.

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       SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I recall reading that Ron Wyatt had found the ark. I seem to remember reading that they tested a piece that he brought back. If I recall correctly it was dated at the time that Noah would have built it using the carbon dating method.
       
       I also recall reading that carbon dating is not accurate.

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          LegendaryHeroposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          It's accurate enough to give a rough estimate.

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          Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Do you know what carbon dating is about, SirDent?

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             Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Look - if carbon dating is accurate - that means the bible is wrong about the age of the earth. Ergo - it is inaccurate.
             
             Except when dating Arks on Turkish mountains - in which case it is infallible.

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                Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                And dinosaurs.  Never forget the dinosaurs that died on the ark.

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             SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I don't know specifics about it. I do know it has to do with the half life of carbon and that everything has carbon in it. They measure the carbon present and compare it with the carbon it should have, or something like that.
             
             I don't believe they actually found the ark. If the ark is still intact it will have to be petrified or frozen in a mountain of ice.
             
             Ron Wyatt also reportedly found a chariot wheel in the Red Sea.
             
             He also reportedly found the Ark of the Covenant under Golgotha where Christ was crucified.  Of course he didn't bring the Ark with him.

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                Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                These may be the perfect examples of how belief in superstitions is best perpetuated. The Catholic church, for centuries (and still do), cherished and fought over "sacred relics" such as a bone from the body of John the Beloved, and the list is endless.
                
                So then producing other religious "relics" will only infuse further belief in superstition among the masses, but in actual fact, there seems to be little if any evidence to truly provide such belief. That's the saddest news to me.
                
                I think Steven Spielberg got it right in Raiders: the arch of the convenant is lost in a government warehouse. Where all sacred relics apparently are. Area 51 probably also has significant secrets to tell someday.
                
                Not.

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          Lynda Garyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Sir Dent: I also recalled the Ron Wyatt "discovery" which, by various accounts, is the "most likely" to be the "real" ark.  Here is a link: http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah%27s_ark.htm  I can't find the date of the discovery though (easily, anyway).
          
          According to that "discovery,"
          
          Top Points to Consider
          
             1.
          
                It is in the shape of a boat, with a pointed bow and rounded stern.
             2.
          
                Exact length as noted in biblical description, 515 feet or 300 Egyptian cubits.  (Egyptian not Hebrew cubit would have been known to Moses who studied in Egypt then wrote Genesis.)
             3.
          
                It rests on a mountain in Eastern Turkey, matching the biblical account, "The ark rested . . . upon the mountains of Ararat" Genesis 8:4.  (Ararat being the name of the ancient country Urartu which covered this region.)
             4.
          
                Contains petrified wood, as proven by lab analysis.
             5.
          
                Contains high-tech metal alloy fittings, as proven by separate lab analyses paid for by Ron Wyatt, then performed later by Kevin Fisher of this web site.  Aluminum metal and titanium metal was found in the fittings which are MAN-MADE metals!
             6.
          
                Vertical rib timbers on its sides, comprising the skeletal superstructure of a boat.  Regular patterns of horizontal and vertical deck support beams are also seen on the deck of the ark.
             7.
          
                Occupied ancient village at the ark site at 6,500 ft. elevation matching Flavius Josephus' statement "Its remains are shown there by the inhabitants to this day."
             8.
          
                Dr. Bill Shea, archaeologist found an ancient pottery sherd within 20 yards of the ark which has a carving on it that depicts a bird, a fish, and a man with a hammer wearing a headdress that has the name "Noah" on it.  In ancient times these items were created by the locals in the village to sell to visitors of the ark.  The ark was a tourist attraction in ancient times and today.
             9.
          
                Recognized by Turkish Government as Noah's Ark National Park and a National Treasure.  Official notice of its discovery appeared in the largest Turkish newspaper in 1987.
            10.
          
                Visitors' center built by the government to accommodate tourists further confirms the importance of the site.
            11.
          
                Huge anchor stones were found near the ark and in the village Kazan, 15 miles away, which hung off the rear of the ark to steady its ride.
            12.
          
                The ark rests upon Cesnakidag (or Cudi Dagi) Mountain, which is  translated as "Doomsday" Mountain.
            13.
          
                Dr. Salih Bayraktutan of Ataturk University stated, "It is a man made structure, and for sure it's Noah's Ark"  Common Sense.  This same article also states "The site is immediately below the mountain of Al Judi, named in the Qur'an as the resting place of the Ark."  Houd Sura 11:44
            14.
          
                Radar scans show a regular pattern of timbers inside the ark formation, revealing keels, keelsons, gunnels, bulkheads, animal chambers, ramp system, door in right front, two large barrels in the front 14' x 24', and an open center area for air flow to all three levels.
          
          
          I saw a Discovery Channel (tends to be credible) documentary on this once.  They explained the science of how the animals COULD have been easily cared for, etc.
          
          Hasn't science also proven the existence of a flood at the relevant time period?

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             Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             No.
             No.
             Dear me.
             
             You wouldn't be interested in joining my dinosaur hunting trip to China would you? It includes a free piece of the "genuine" Ark for posterity.

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             Pandoras Boxposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Discovery channel is not a credible source at all. My goddesses, the crap I've seen on Discovery 'documentaries'. Half of them oughtta be illegal. No wonder people have no clue what to believe these days. We've legitimized everything. It's now perfectly respectable to be an arabic jew for christ fortune-teller who believes that non-angelic aliens secretly rule the world, in cahoots with freemasons, of course, the military knows all about it, and bigfoot too, and Obama is the anti-christ, you can tell cause his stepfather was indonesian.
             
             If none of that is clear to you, obviously you've never watched the Discovery channel.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    I mean this is one seriously big turkey!
    
    

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    poetlorraineposted 13 years ago

    so now they have found remains of ark, everyone will believe, eh Earnesthub.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       It is rather scary just how many people will lie for Jesus.
       
       Why do you think that is?

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          seasoningposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          wow the ark is real how exciting.

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             Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Do you know why so many will lie for Jesus?

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                poetlorraineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                don't have all the answers, but why would anyone have to lie  for Jesus, he speaks for himself, still.

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   He never existed so how can he speak for himself. Do you think that is why so many of you feel the need to lie for him?

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                      poetlorraineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      remember when you were banned Mark, it was cool

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                         Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         Really? Oh yes - I remember you don't like to hear anything from non believers. They are an abomination against God. If I remember - you have never read the bible either.
                         
                         That right?

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                            poetlorraineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                            you are sad

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    The Paulposted 13 years ago

    For the purposes of this scenario the accuracy of carbon dating isn't really important.
    
    Someone found an old piece of wood.  Whether or not that is a legitimate discovery, it doesn't support the existence of the biblical ark.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Of course it doesn't. Liars for Jesus - that is what we have here. 99.9% certain it is Noahs Ark?

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    skyfireposted 13 years ago

    Another thread ? Hmm, i thought only mormons believed this news..weird to see converted indians are preach this type of crap these days.

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       Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Oddly, Mormons are lumped together with a lot of other religions that are perceived to believe and practice strange things. They are certainly not alone. Threads in the forums pretty much prove it, I think.

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       Shil1978posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       The converted are often more passionate and blinded than the original believers. I guess it happens because of the intense desire to "fit in" with the rest.

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    heart4thewordposted 13 years ago

    Saw some video and a picture about finding Noah's Ark?  Would like to see more pictures?

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       Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Really? - Oh that is right - I guess you heart the word........

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    Obscure Divineposted 13 years ago

    I've got a question for the ones who believe in this super savior of a floating device:  Just how many animals can ya fit on a big boat!?  It sounds like a lot of life was left to drown, so what in the hell happened?  LOL! 

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       Shil1978posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Try asking that to the blind believers - wouldn't a kid ask the same question if he/she were told this story? And, still they believe in this without questioning!
       
       Now, I believe in a higher power, but certainly don't buy stuff like this!!

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          Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I feel the same as you and I keep a very open mind I find anything mysterious fascinating, I love searching for answers

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          Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Ha-ha!  Yeah, the cosmos is little more diverse than these elementary students give credit for, don't ya think?  LOL!

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    Richieb799posted 13 years ago

    I think non believers shouldn't be so skeptical about possible evidence for Biblical finds..its possible that a lot of the stories in the Bible are true even if you don't believe in God..so it's more about learning about our history

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       Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Definitely, but the believers should also leave their myths unattached in the process and quit being so skeptical of the sound-minded folks.
       
       By the way, what defines a so-called "believer"???  LOL!

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       Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Well speaking personally - I am sick and tired of being told what I "should " and "shouldn't" do by people not in any way qualified to tell me what to do. In fact - this is the crux of my issue with irrational belief systems.
       
       LOLOL at the biblical stories being true. Seriously. LOL There are plenty of sources to learn about history - and the bible is not one of them. LOLOL
       
       Two of every animal................... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

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          Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this

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             Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             What's that?  Following hogwash?  Please, find better things to do besides taking up for Noah's Ark!  LOL!

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                Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                what? do you know me?

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                   Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Never mind, go find the crayons or something... 

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          Richieb799posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Fair enough I respect your opinion, I wasn't taking either side, I was looking at it from a historical perspective.

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             Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             A historical perspective. How so? That you think it is possible that three men, using hand tools,  made a 450 foot-long boat to hold 2 of every animal 4,000 years ago on the instructions of a god who intended to wipe every living thing off the planet for sinfulness?

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    Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

    I really wish you non-believers would stop discounting the evidence that is right before your eyes!
    
    Not only have the remains of the boat itself been found, but photographic evidence of the event itself exists.. like the image of the two cougars taken just after the ship's launch during happy hour..
    
    

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       Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Well, at least you got the "happy hour" part right...  By the way, how is the Pike fishing up north, fellow igloo worshipper?

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          Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          To tell you th thruth,  I don't get out past the city limits much... waaaaaaay to much nature and wildlife out there
          
          
          But I can recommend the filet o fish from McDonalds if you are hankering for some seafood

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       Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I suspect carbon dating problems with this evidence. Additionally, I'm not sure two-dimensional artifacts are that reliable. I think your evidence was photoshopped.....
       

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          Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          i bet they dated carbon or any other material they could get their hands on as long as it was young and solid

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             Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I confess, you're probably right again...
             [hahaha...]

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             Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Greek One is in fact, a Homo Erectus with a cause!

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    I was wrong with my guess at how long the ark was supposed to be. 515 foot not the generous 600 foot I proposed it was.
    
    I said it would be like fitting New York in a 12 foot skiff, so I guess that would now be a 9 foot tender!
    
    By the way, I am waiting for the religious maths or the carbon compressors to arrive next!

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       poetlorraineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       hey stop rocking de boat...

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          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Hello Lorraine! You up to lookin at my mush again?

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    sabrebIadeposted 13 years ago

    Well if it is the Ark, then geology, earth science, geochemistry, geophysics, glaciology, paleoclimatology and paleontology are all wrong, cause they say there never was a global flood.
    Of course scientists are no fun anyway and this is why they never get invited to parties.

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You come bursting in here with facts and truth like that, you're gonna get a bad reputation!

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       Pandoras Boxposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Real truths don't go over real well.

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    mikelongposted 13 years ago

    Without Enkidu and Gilgamesh there would be no Biblical flood story...
    
    With this said, I find it humorous how some people continue to figure that the earch is only a few thousand years old...  "look it radio carbon dates to 4000 years ago...that means we're 99.9% it is the real ark.."
    
    Ludicrous. I have seen proto-writing older than that... People were drinking beer and getting high long before....
    
    The ridiculousness that follows the "self-fulfilling prophecy" strikes again....

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yeh! looks funny as hell from Australia. Our aboriginal brothers have been here for 40,000 years!

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    Noah wished he did not take ALL the birds!
    
    

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    ... and some animals had different behaviours.
    

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       agvulpesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I've just had a revelation, with all them rabbits the Ark landed in Australia and it is really Uluru covered in sand !

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          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Gotta be true!

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       Pandoras Boxposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Don't know how the heck the monkeys were allowed onboard.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    

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    calpol25posted 13 years ago

    Hello Earnest how are you doing?
    
    Right I hope im not being silly ok but did they not say a few years ago that they had found noahs ark in the alps in switzerland, im sure it was on the tv when i was a fetus?

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Hi Cal. The ark has been "found" many times in many locations!
       I may have forgotten the Swiss Alps one!

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    The flood story is simply archetypal. In every major culture and religion since they began.

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       kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       each man to himself, no you cannot have my lifejacket earnest, sorry for your luck
       
       water in my ear. damn.  I think that was a sign and where are all the mammals by the way? geez.

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       KFlippinposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       So, what is your theory as to the original basis for the archetype of the flood? What is your theory as to how this archetypal event made it's way into diverse religious historical teachings?  Including that of the Muslims?

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          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          The mind itself and the way it's creative function tries to find meaning is my answer. As all early belief systems did, people connected common events with deities. Hell, they connected everything to them in ancient history!

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    Paradise7posted 13 years ago

    I got in, no trouble.  You know what?  I think it's the real deal.  I never had any trouble believing that story.  It's generic to all the cultures in the world, though they have different versions of God, Noah...etc..
    
    So I think there really was a tremendous flood and a great big boat.  I like boats;  I like that story.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    

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       MordechaiZoltanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I spent a few days in Van, Turkey, in the shadow of Mt. Ararat, the area they are talking about. I did not see Noah's ark, or any ark for that matter.

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