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pylos26posted 14 years ago
83% of Americans are ignorant.

That percentage is expected to continue dropping as Americans fifty and older are dead and gone searching for their long expected reward of pearly gates and streets of gold and all that material stuff, long coveted. According to a recent poll 83% of Americans believe prayers are answered. How sad and pitiful.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is downright scary! I also find it hard to believe.
  
  I am an Australian who has worked and travelled extensively in the USA I would have thought the figure was lower than that.
  
  I fear that despite formal education the same would be true for many countries, although figures like the ones you quote would seem to be hard to duplicate.
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  surprized me too earnest.
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  terced ojosposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Terced_Ojos<----Member of ignorant American population who has had prayer answered.
  
  Will not apologize for Jesus...er..."The Skyfairy"
  
  Sincerely
  
  Unashamedly
  
  Ignorant American Christian
  
  Cheers
  
  Terced...
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No turning the other cheek here. See how that makes your beliefs worthless hypocrisy? Thanks for validating my opinion of your religion.
  
  Kristians Kausing Konflict.
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  terced ojosposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Terced<-----allows himself to be mercilessly kicked and pummeled by Mark Knowles and asks God to forgive Mark because he is not aware of what he is doing.
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  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh, he's aware lol
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  Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Where's this coming from? I mean what poll? I'm not arguing it, just would like to know more about it.
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  Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting results.
  
  "Those who most strongly favor it [a national day of prayer] were Republicans (76%); women 50 and older (71%); and Midwesterners (71%) or Southerners (63%)."
  
  Even more ignorant:
  
  "Among 500 respondents asked if this {promoting christian prayer} should be "a major goal" of the National Day of Prayer, 62% said it should and 36% said it should not. People of all ages and regions held roughly similar views.
  
  "Most strongly in favor of promoting Christian prayer were Protestants (72%) and Catholics (70%). People with no religious preference were most strongly opposed: 69%."
  
  That last line really bugs me. Only 69% of people with no religious preference were strongly opposed to a having a national day or prayer with a major goal of promoting christian prayer.
  
  Of course, the reason is that most people don't know what the heck they're talking about.
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2 … 5_ST_N.htm
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  mythbusterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The statement which opens the threat oops I mean thread - is ad hominem ("against the man, against the group") anyway. The poll wasn't about "how many people believe in prayer therefore are ignorant"
  
  Ignorance has been suggested (fundamental attribution error) as a characteristic of those (and ad hominem fallacy enters) people who are "believers in prayer." Or "people are ignorant because they believe in prayer" from this poll on prayers...
  
  Wow...
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  67% of statistics are made up.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  goldenpathposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, however, at least most of us are smart enough to turn our head and cough when we're supposed to! Be gentle...
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  Jeff Berndtposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see this as sad or pitiful. It's just a statistic, nothing more.
  The datum about belief in the power of prayer says nothing about the collective intelligence or level of education of that 83%. Plenty of highly educated people believe in the power of prayer.
  
  In fact, the only datum that can be inferred from the topic post of this thread is that pylos26 looks down on people who believe that prayers are answered, considering them to be ignorant.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Something wrong with that?
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What is perhaps more ignorant is your view that what this poll represents is American's ignorance. You have completely distorted the poll by looking at the results through the prism of your own beliefs and views and projecting your own ignorance onto the subjects responses.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Or by using researchable facts as a basis for the subject! Dang facts, they mess up everything!
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What fact? That 83% of Americans believe their prayers have been answered?
  
  That is the only fact, his conclusion, his leap if you will is that fact signifies ignorance which it surely does not.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, if someone believes in prayers and that they are answered in any manner other than their own effort is ignorant, because they do not truly understand their own life.
  
  Just a thought.
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then again, maybe you don't understand the nature of prayer or even what it is.
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  Bibowenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ignorant in what sense? That they can't read? All of us are ignorant in most things. Most people are only knowledgeable about a few areas; the rest is ignorance.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Correct, as many of us have stated. We are all ignorant in some areas. We finally agree on something!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  even those who are ignorant of their ignorance
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ignorant in what sense?... that of prayer. One must be ignorant regarding prayer if that one believes prayers are actually answered by some sort of divine immortal living breathing entity. Such belief violates all the rules of common sense. That same common sense that got you where you are today, that same common sense you indisputably believe in.
  
  Bibowen, I apologize if my grammar and or syntax in the attempted use of the King’s English is less than readable or understandable. I’m really not very smart.
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  andromidaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guess it's the best time to publish couple of hubs on "how to pray"
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "How to think" would make for better hubs.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  dear Q some things don't change,right. like for instance...err...you?
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
We all are ignorant. Some are more ignorant than others. Usually those that shout the loudest about others' ignorance. How funny and entertaining
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  Buck Steinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was wondering why he wouldn't get that 100% of the worlds population is ignorant....in something!
  
  Yep, entertaining!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  G'Day Misha. I see you have enough followers now for a small army! I hope you don't get radical!
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Ernest
  
  I hope so too - but I can't guarantee
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  why are people ignoring is the real question. Why are they obsessed with material influence. Satan? i think not, try science and similar ritual belief systems that serve only the narcissistic tendency....
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  DavitosanXposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  1. Most of the time, we only experience that which is material. It's hard not to be moved by material stuff.
  
  2. Science is not a belief system. It's a method used to prove phenomena.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You must be talking about the one who opened this ignorant thread.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Obviously - but there are others, including myself
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  of course we are all ignorant...did you think i was talking about just russians.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Was it an insult attempt? It failed
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  badly. sucker
  
  hi babe!
  
  I happen to know that on average Russians have a 33% higher IQ worldwide. There is documented research, but I reckon with my mood today you best take my word for it.
  
  have a great day
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL Thanks Kimberly
  
  But seriously I would argue it does not really depend on a nationality or nation or whatever you call it. How you have been brought up makes much more difference IMO.
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  true my friend
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Only a fool would have missed my intent.
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Madame Xposted 14 years ago
What did they do? Poll the CNN news room?
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  Buck Steinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He said ignorant, not completely clueless.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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blondepoetposted 14 years ago
Wonder what the percentage is for Aussies??
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guess 100%, as for everybody else
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  blondepoetposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LMAO I was wondering how they got that percentage for Americans. I concluded they were doing a survey for "Ignorance" and only 17% saw it.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What is the percentage of church goers there? Divide by One!
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  blondepoetposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  DavitosanXposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To be fair, there's a difference between being deluded and being ignorant.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think one may be deluded much easier because of their ignorance.
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  DavitosanXposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is true.
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pylos26posted 14 years ago
USA Today's national prayer day poll.
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SpanStarposted 14 years ago
It really doesn't matter what I say or what I'm about to say because biblical history records mankind as selfish, evil. If there are those who take exception to this-you may certainly do so but ask yourself the question What are the Ten Commands For? some people think it's for living a life which is pleasing to God-(That is true, but only partially true) the Ten Command is so that we can better get along With Each Other. No volume of written laws by man will ever improve up on the Ten Commandments.

Ignorance is to be expected when one has a society that's focused on greed and selfishness. “SHOW ME THE MONEY!” So many People believe the only purpose on this planet is to take as much as you can possible take then die-(Now That's Sad).

If there is no higher goal in life then riches because afterwards there's nothing else what's the point of expanding one's mind? Living with the ideal there is no God means we as people have no purpose, something got screwed up in this so-called Big Bang theory and people happened to show-up. Human role models we can find day and night- mature upstanding human role models well there's a challenge for you.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The ten commandments were around much longer than the written language. In fact, there aren't ten commandments at all. Some cover others.
  
  These basic primitive tribal rules are necessary for community harmony. They form the basics even for those primitive tribes never subjected to christian beliefs. I doubt seriously very few could have read the tablets they were claimed to be etched into because of the lack of literacy at the time.
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  DavitosanXposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  indeed, mankind has no set purpose. It is that fact that lets us choose a purpose for our own lives.
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  KFlippinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its good to read your posts, glad you are here.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You say
  
  'Living with the ideal there is no God means we as people have no purpose'
  
  LOL!
  Why everything has to be about a God, nobody has proof that exists ?
  that's what doesn't have a purpose !
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  Shadesbreathposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You know, I actually agree with this. Having a god that you truly believe in, an afterlife or some sort of eternal experience that is earned or bestowed after living a kind and respectful life is a valuable thing. Studies of religions around the world have shown for more than a century the value of having a supernatural justification for acting decently, especially given the selfish nature of the human animal.
  
  The "unfortunate" rise of science has blown up the myths that the modern (last 2 millennia or so) incarnations of religion came up, so a new set of religions have to rise. We are in a place of religious flux that hasn't been seen since polytheism gave way to monotheism.
  
  I think the new iterations are going to require some amazing science and a person of charismatic force to carry off. But, these individuals do arise, and given a few years after their death, the legend grows and maybe people will have hope again. (Hopefully the new religion won't have to be spread through massacre, torture and the horrors that mark the spread of Christianty and Islam in huge swaths of history.)
  
  Until then, it becomes a matter of evolved social behavior trumping animal behaviors that haven't quite been flushed out of our genetic codes yet.
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Shadesbreath - I always enjoy your commentary, on almost anything.
  Hope al's well
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theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago
I just Pray they get over their ignorance
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think that will work !
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premierkjposted 14 years ago
'83% of Americans are ignorant'

This makes no sense. How can it be judged? Is this based on exam results, in which case it would be better to say they are unintelligent . Ignorance is more like a scale. It can't be black or white because everyone knows something and nobody knows everything.
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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I am DB Cooperposted 14 years ago
I don't think this divisiveness is really necessary. I don't believe in prayer, but I think calling those that do ignorant is trolling, especially when the effectiveness of prayer cannot be proven one way or another by anything other than anecdotal evidence. It would have been much easier (and more kind) to simply ask for a discussion of the poll results. I, for one, am a little surprised that the number of people believing in prayer is so high, but not at all surprised that the numbers are particularly high in the "Bible belt".
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calpol25posted 14 years ago
I wonder what the percentage is for us British?
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  blondepoetposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you get the same answer as us Aussies did here it will be 100% Cal ROFL!!!!!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I resemble that remark BP!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You sent us over here as convicts.
  We have all the sunshine, money, beaches and babes! Wot's wrong with this picture Cal?
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pylos26posted 14 years ago
Shadesbreath...hope you are well...remembering two years ago when you encourged me to stick with hubpages.
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qwarkposted 14 years ago
There is no doubt that all of humanity is ignorant.
The majority of humanity is monotheistic.
Monotheists are "primitively" ignorant and constitute the "lesser evolved" of the human species.
That level of "ignorance" jeopardizes the survival of all life on the planet.
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Quark...as usual your intelligence is outstanding and thanks for the contribution to the thread.
  
  please email me about your happenings...rj
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Ashmiposted 14 years ago
How easy it is to confuse begging for prayer. Prayer is not meant for personal benefit. It is a device in order to go beyond the mind, and its constant chatter. One prayer or word to get rid of all thought and bring the mind to a serene and tranquil state....I am surprised the level of ignorance is so low. I would have thought it was closer to 99%...but this is for the whole of humanity, not just Americans.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Really? I was just commenting on another Christians views of how happy they were that their prayers were answered and they got a parking spot.
  
  Seems to be some real discrepancies here.
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  Ashmiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How many times did they pray for a parking spot and never got one? We tend to remember what we want to remember. When it doesn't come true we conveniently forget we prayed for it....it is like a gambler who only counts when he wins but never talks about the many times he loses.
  
  The essence of prayer and meditation has been lost down the centuries. People have very little idea about what it means to be spiritual, and asking for personal favors is not one of them.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would suspect that it is probably the same amount of times people who don't pray and get parking spots, maybe even less. In other words, prayer doesn't work. It's just hit and miss.
  
  No, it's called coincidence.
  
  Yet, it is one of them with so many believers. I would suspect you might not agree with that, but that is the essence of religion; conflict.
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  Ashmiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think the essence of religion is conflict. Conflict is a result of ignorance. So called religious people are extremely ignorant of their own faith. They are not following the essence of their religion and so conflict and misery results.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And, religion is the result of ignorance.
  
  So, can we conclude that religious fundamentalists are the only real religious people and that we should follow their examples?
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  Ashmiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I'm not talking about rituals and ceremonies or taking so called holy books literally. If this is what you mean by religion then I agree, there is a lot of ignorance.
  
  Why do you say fundamentalists are the only religious people? Fundamentalists or any extremist group have hijacked religion. They have an insane ideology which in their ignorance believe and have placed it under the name of religion, but it has nothing to do with religion.
  
  The stories of the holy books are simply ways of saying things. We have lost the meaning and so invent what we like. This does not mean religion is not valid.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is the basis of all religions, the scriptures, the holy books.
  
  You alluded to that when you said people are 'extremely ignorant of their faith' - it is only the fundamentalists that take their faith seriously, word for word. Is that not what god wants them to do? Or, should they pick and choose what they want to believe and discard the rest?
  
  It has everything to do with their religion as they follow their religious tenets to the tee.
  
  I was under the impression holy books were the word of god. Is that not true?
  
  Maybe, but it most certainly means religion is useless.
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  Ashmiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The fundamentalists do not follow their religion to the tee. Read the scriptures and you will see that they choose what they like and ignore what they don't like.
  
  The Holy books are full of contradictions. It would be impossible to follow all and yet adhere to the main commandments, of which there are two. These two are in every tradition, ....love God and neighbour.
  
  If they do not comply with those two teachings then they are not following the ESSENCE of their religion but are picking and choosing.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Really? You mean they are no different from any other believer?
  
  I would agree with the first, but certainly not the second. If that were the case, we would not have seen 2000 years of holy wars.
  
  One very good reason for not following religions, wouldn't you say?
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  Ashmiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Holy wars in the name of religion was to simply cover up the greed of men as well as to convince the ignorants to join the battle. People then were as ignorant as they are now, thinking they are fighting the good fight.
  
  The common man dies while the rich get richer. It has always been like that....if people won't fight, then we invent a holy war etc etc
  
  Religion's should not be followed blindly. We must not accept what we are told and we must question everything. In the past people did not have access to the information we have now so they had an excuse. They were also illiterate. ...we are neither so we do not have the same excuse.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well said.
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  Ashmiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The books were written and edited by men to suit there material agendas. However: within the writings are contained the words of men such as Jesus etc who were extremely enlightened.
  
  This is the reason I think why religion has never disappeared; simply because among the B.S is also the truth.
  
  We all know that the best lie is always the one that contains a little truth.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is supposed to be the story, but as you say, written and edited by men to suit an agenda. The question is, what agenda?
  
  Or, the indoctrination process works very well.
  
  Does it really? So, can we conclude religions are the best lies with a little truth contained within?
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  Ashmiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Personal agendas tend to be the same. Money and power. To control the masses we simply add a lot of fear with the promise of salvation if you behave etc etc etc.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We can then look upon religions as the creation of men who don't have the principles or abilities to do anything productive.
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  Ashmiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, something like that.
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Gabriel Wilsonposted 14 years ago
A lot of people find comfort in religion. I myself am not religious but, from experiencing the troubles of others and seeing them believe in a God that gives them strength and helps them get on with their day or week... that's hardly ignorance!
I don't think the idea is to pray for actual things anyway, what I know of Christianity, prayers are suppose to be about things like guidance.
I hate to think people can be called ignorant, because they have faith and believe their prayers are answered. As I said I'm not religious, but perhaps those that are would think me ignorant for not even trying!
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  Ashmiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ignorance is simply lacking knowledge of a particular subject. We are all ignorant in many things, not for being ignorant are we any worse than anybody else.
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JulesGeromeposted 14 years ago
Prayer is Hope. Sometimes is answered. Doesn't have anything to do with understanding our life or not.
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with one's intelligence, or what they know or don't know either and that was my point.
  
  it seems some here want to make the OP about religion and the existence of God, but that's another debate.
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agree! But people here tend to pick up fights everywhere ! LOL
  Is this something 'normal' here ?
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Exactly. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with one's intelligence, or what they know or don't know either and that was my point."
  
  No, it doesn't have anything to do with intelligence unless it pertains to one's inability to learn But it does have something to do with what one doesn't know. Being ignorant is simply the lack of knowledge about some particular subject.
  
  Example : many Christians are ignorant of the way the Bible was compiled. and how Christianity was founded. They just accept the views of their respective religious teachers without bothering to ever check things for themselves. Blind faith.
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now you're making a generalization that may not be based in fact. How many Christians are many? Also, you are making the assumption that blind faith or a lack of knowledge about the formation of a particular religion is equal to ignorance, and again, this shows your lack of command of facts. The implication here is, that if someone is lacking of knowledge on one subject they are therefore ignorant, and that you are knowledgeable in every subject and therefore are not.
  
  I think I can safely claim that no one knows everything and that even mankind in total doesn't know everything, and since you don't know everything can I now conclude that you are just as ignorant as someone with blind faith?
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No implication from me. One can be ignorant of one thing and knowledgeable about another. My assumption comes from talking to many Christians about the Bible.
  
  Very few of them know how or who compiled the Bible. In fact, no one knows who the original authors were or even if the stories are real or myth. Most of those when asked who wrote the Bible said it was the inspired word of God. How did they know? Their parents and ministers said so. No need for facts. So they are ignorant of what is actually known about the origin of their Bible.
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So what you are saying is you know from personal experience that some Christians are ignorant about certain facts or details concerning the Bible. I can agree with that.
  
  That's quite different than saying 83% of Americans are ignorant because they believe their prayers were answered.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't comment on the poll being a sure sign of ignorance on any subject, just the Bible. Believers pray for their family and friends whenever something bad occurs to of them. If prayers worked, Christians would live longer, healthier, happier lives than anyone else. I suppose the other religious cults would also because they too pray regularly.
  
  It is hard to believe starving children wouldn't pray for food though!
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … _64057352/
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting, it appears that blissful ignorance does in fact win out over intelligence.
  
  So, the decision would be to live a longer life in ignorance than a shorter one with understanding.
  
  Hmmm... tough decision.
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You continue to equate prayer, or meditation with ignorance, when clearly there is a benefit to body and mind, and no correlation to knowledge or a lack of knowledge, so who is really ignorant?
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I equate the expectations of divine intervention from prayer with ignorance. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  [QUOTE]So, the decision would be to live a longer life in ignorance than a shorter one with understanding.[/QUOTE]
  
  Maybe the one lacking understanding is you.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have no idea what you're talking about.
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you should pray for understanding.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I find that thinking leads to understanding, not prayer. It actually takes effort to think.
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Prayer is a form of thinking, a cleansing of the mind from distraction, allowing for an openness of thought, perhaps a spark of inspiration which can lead to understanding.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, asking an invisible super being to find a parking spot rather than feed tens of thousands of starving children is a form of thinking? LOL.
  
  Sorry, but prayer is one of the last things associated with thinking.
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now you are putting words in my mouth. Obviously you have an opinion on prayer and religion and your mind is closed to any other view. In other words you have decided that you already know all there is to know about the subject and that your views are the only correct ones to be held. That is a closed minded position in my view but you are entitled to it. At this point it is fruitless to discuss it further as there is nothing to be gained by engaging you in discourse.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A Christian calling someone else close minded? Ye gods!
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What makes you think I am a Christian? I never said as much. This is what happens when one assumes to have knowledge.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The assumption was made by your stand on ignorance involving prayer. If I was mistaken I apologize and congratulate you!
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is no need to congratulate me or to apologize. Hopefully you have learned something are are a little less ignorant regarding prayer.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And hopefully, so have you! And congratulations are definitely in order if you aren't a Christian. Only my opinion, of course!
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe its called hitting the nail on the head Randy. Good post.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  not fruitless...discuss, these guys will agree if you make sense.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong. It is the believers who voice their claims about how their prayers can get an invisible super being to violate the laws of the universe at their whim.
  
  If one wants to pray to themselves to get some personal change in their lives, this is a different story. Most go fishing, instead.
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong? You're pretty sure of yourself. Perhaps you are god? I don't pretend to know everything, but if someone believes prayer helps them, then it does, no matter how ridiculous you think it to be.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I doesn't appear that your synthesizing my responses. I just said that it is the believers who are, in your words, "pretty sure" of themselves when it comes to prayer. It has absolutely nothing to do with me.
  
  Again, if some prayer is directed to oneself, that is entirely different from a prayer in which the believer wishes their gods to provide something for them. Do you not get that?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  my dear lee...do not feed the animals
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  NightEmpressposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your own words
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What about them?
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  NightEmpressposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're wrong in your appreciation of prayers.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's nice. Got any more sound bites?
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting but not conclusive at all. Many forms of meditation lower stress. Listening to soothing music also lowers stress. Petting your dog or cat, the same. If only the religious elderly survived it would be more impressive. The study seems to be from a religious viewpoint at a religious facility. Not very impressive.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you ever noticed that prayer is never answered when it comes to the tens of thousands of children who starve to death every day?
  
  Surely, you must have noticed.
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Prayer is a personal experience.It doesn't work for thousands of people. If that would be the case, no illness, nor wars, nor accidents would happen.
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  DavitosanXposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How convienient.
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it's very convenient for some people. You have a problem with that ?
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Would you say that face to face to starving children?
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What starving children have to do with prayer ? As I said before, prayer is a personal experience. Ufff !!! Do I have to repeat everything ? Go and read my posts. Wow ! LMAO!!
  
  I said :
  Prayer is a personal experience.It doesn't work for thousands of people. If that would be the case, no illness, nor wars, nor accidents would happen
  
  God !! LOL
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Simple. Prayer is the only way your god will feed the starving children, that is, if he has time to do so while he attends to your personal needs.
  
  It doesn't work for anyone, be honest.
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ask the persons who pray !
  Why are so so traumatized with Religion? A lot of psychological reasons I find in your attitude.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did, and all you provided was contradictions and insults.
  
  Clearly, I'm not the one here who was traumatized by religion.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, one is simply talking to themselves.
  
  So, what you're saying is that prayer only works for special people?
  
  Again, notice it NEVER works for many thousands of children who starve to death every day?
  
  So, just who are these special people? Are you one of them? If so, why don't you pray to your god to feed those children so they don't die a horrible, painful, agonizing death?
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I never said prayers were for special people. I said it was a personal experience. And that it work for some. Where's the word 'special' in that comment ?
  Don't you know how to read ?
  You're so blind !
  Get some glasses, please ! LOL
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I added that in because it's clear you have claimed that prayer only works for some people and not others. Clearly, those people have to be special in some way.
  
  And, since tens of thousands of children die every day from starvation, we can assume they weren't the special ones.
  
  So, are you going to answer my question and explain why prayer works for those special people and not for others?
  
  And, if prayer works for you, are you going to pray to your god to feed the children?
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're too blind, or you're trying to pick a fight. LOL I quit school ages ago, kid!.
  
  There's nothing 'special' in a person praying. It's a state of mind and soul. Some people get their prayers answered.Maybe because they have enough Faith as to achieve that. I don't know. And I'm not a prayer person.
  
  Hunger doesn't go away with prayers. It goes away with money to buy food.
  
  Be a good child and stop arguing with me. It's getting very boring ! LOL
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No need to add fallacies to your argument, it's already very weak.
  
  Those are the very special people that have plenty to eat, a nice home, etc.? God is very good to them, but is very evil in that he answers these very special peoples prayers while children starve to death.
  
  What a god!
  
  Yet, you make a lot of claims regarding how prayer works for special people and not for others.
  
  And, now we get to the crux of the apostrophe, so to speak. You just contradicted yourself.
  
  If things happen, it wasn't because of prayers, it was because it just happened that way, like your example with food and money.
  
  But, let's take your contradiction one step further. We can see through the use of prayer that good, honest believers living in first world countries believe their gods provide for them through prayer. Yet, in third world countries, god does not provide.
  
  In other words, money talks and bullshit walks.
  
  Personal insults only make your argument weaker, if that were actually possible. Of course, you can't back up anything you claim and you realize that, hence the insults.
  
  Well done.
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Where are the insults? Point them out for me, please !
  Maybe the word 'child' doesn't have your approval ?
  
  If being a child is an insult for you, you're insulting all children, including the ones that you're so concerned about.
  
  As I said before, I'm not arguing with you anymore.
  Where's the fair play, when you accuse me of insulting you, when I haven't done so ?
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What argument? You had none.
  
  It's called the Ad Hominem fallacy, read up on it sometimes. It's right there alongside the Argumentum Ad Ignorantiam fallacy, which you should also become acquainted with since it makes up the mass of your posts.
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you're totally mistaken.
  I can't be more clear in my posts.
  But you can believe whatever you want.
  You can believe in your own interpretations of my words.
  
  It seems you have a Religion after all : Faith in You.
  
  Bravo Maestro !
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  About what, specifically?
  
  You weren't clear at all, you didn't even answer my questions.
  
  Your words contradict themselves. They make no sense. First you claim prayer works, then you claim it only works for certain people that I have labeled 'special,' and you included yourself in that group of 'special' people, then you didn't answer my direct questions to your claims, but instead decided to toss out ad homs.
  
  Miss anything?
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ditto !
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  calpol25posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To Q and Jules
  
  Please can you stop fighting with each other as its getting really silly, im sure nobody is attacking any one with personal insults but this is supposed to be a serious discussion about ignorance.
  
  We are all ignorant to others in some way but by arguing and attacking each other that will not help to understand each others views,
  please stop arguing. x
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Every time I come to these forums, someone argues with me. Someone is always picking some kind of 'fight'. LOL
  I suppose its the price I have to pay for being the 'new one'
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  calpol25posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Je comprenais cest moi aussi
  
  Just ignore them Jules lol
  
  Keep smiling
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  JulesGeromeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oui, mon ami !
  That's what I'm about to do. It's almost 10pm. Time for a late dinner. Au revoir !
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  calpol25posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Au revoir! Jules
  
  See you tomorrow
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, just ignore those who want to discuss things. Great advice to keep the topic title well preserved.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I suppose "picking fights" means disagreeing with him. "Can't stand the heat........."
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's not even about disagreement, I was merely trying to understand his contradictory claims, but could not get any answers.
  
  What's a poor boy to do...?
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are assuming that they are all praying for food when in fact, they may not be. You are also suggesting that you have some knowledge of how prayer works while suggesting it is fallacy. No matter how much one prays for a pink elephant to dance the ballet in a purple tutu while trumpeting a trombone with his trunk playing "When The Saints Go Marching In" and beating a bass drum with his tail while blue M&Ms pour from the sky in one's bedroom, it's not likely that it would be answered even if it could be!
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In other words, prayer doesn't work?
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  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In other words prayer will do nothing for YOU.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, tell me then what prayer does for you other than anything you can't tell yourself to do?
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ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago
we are all ignorant. someone who claims to know more than others is perhaps the most ignorant of all. we know what we know and that can't be all there is to be known. truly ignorant people do not even know they are ignorant at all and have the gall to mock others of their ignorance

Americans are ignorant of many things but then they are aware of many things too. If you've always been rich, you're ignorant of poverty. If you're poor you've always been poor you're ignorant of wealth. Ignorance is neither bliss nor curse. Ignorance is just a fact of life. We are all ignorant of something. So lets just say we are blind monks feeling up an elephant. We see aspects but not the whole. So lets feel the critter up some more and share info!
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And in the mean time we have a very happy elephant
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Colorful, Ceci. jeje
  True, people in every type of lifestyle ignore the elements of the other types, for reasons of superstition to rage. We do know, which is the ultimate elephant in the room. That knowing is what scares/forces people into that ignorance. It is the mass deluge and ion of it that we need to find out what we already know. Ironically, humans spend their entire lives either pretending they found it or forgetting they did.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is so true, sometimes we hide what we know because we fear isolation.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly! I am completely ignorant of how a woman's mind works! LOL!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ok, imagine your brain, but with a bigger corpus callosum
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can we men imagine that? It may take a larger corpus callosum than we have!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  good thing its an anatomical fact. you can just study neuro if its hard to imagine
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I seen the pics, & see what the problem is.
  You guys can fire with both barrels! Cerebrally speaking of course
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  KFlippinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You "seen" the pics?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh dear me! Now we are addressing word use that none the less are self explanatory. I thought we all made mistakes, but as it happens I meant to write have. Grow up!
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  KFlippinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All grown up already!
  
  So, now 'seen' isn't just bad grammar, it's now an accidental use when 'have' was intended. New one for me. Okay, given that, you 'have' the photos or 'pics'! Do share!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So now you are deliberately misunderstanding.
  have seen, is what I meant to say, but I doubt you want to see what would be obvious to others.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  are we fighting about the actual anatomical part or something else? (me confused)
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No not that, I left a word out and got ridiculed for it by someone who can't spell very well or work sentences out apparently.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh! i thought she seriously thought the corpus callosum was a figure of speech.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That would not have surprised me!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i don't know her but I hope she's not in that club
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Read back, Cecilia. She admonishes Earnest for a post mistake after she made an even funnier one. Chow! LOL!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  geez...i hate correcting other people in forums for the precise reason that we're all bound to make a mistake and it comes back to haunt you.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Me too! Like you say, it always comes back to haunt you. She'll learn, perhaps the hard way, but she'll learn! Everyone makes spelling and grammar mistakes on the forums. But when one's argument isn't sufficient they often fall back on pettiness.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  true true...one can tell a sore loser by the viciousness of his/her comeback.
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  KFlippinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Boyo boyo, you are a real chimp, an amazing ability to twist and turn and chuckle and mimic a real authentic dude. I "seen" one of those once, but it's been a long time......interesting that you did not address in your multitude of anti-me posts your sexualizing of a religioius topic...and even picked up that self-satisfying thread as the posts rocked on.
  
  How enlightening, and as you say ". . .it always comes back to haunt you...perhaps the hard way, but . . .[you'll] learn.. .when one's argument isn't sufficient they often fall back on pettiness."
  
  Very well said Randy.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ooh Randy, you and her got a thang!
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  KFlippinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  looks to me like you two have quite a rousing 'thang'!!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  not really, but he's okay. I'm not traditionally religious so he doesn't get on my case.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  no offense dearie...randy is a hoot in the right forums.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's Mr. Chimp to you, KF! LOL! So you expect no sexual context in the forums? And you expect to correct others while you screw up? Get real, you've been here 2 weeks (unless you have another account here) and you can't discuss topics without getting angry and petty. I have fun here without resorting to petty criticisms of posting mistakes.
  
  I would never mention someones typos or grammar in a post but you asked for it by nit picking Earnest's post. Call me a chimp if you please, but I had rather you try conversing in an intelligent manner. But rant on if it makes you feel better.
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  KFlippinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Mr. Chimp....I think you are the person that went postal over my comment over your grammatically incorrect "seen" sentence, again, that would be you! Over and over again, let's count them, got lots of mileage out of that, what a learning experience this evening....on grammar for you and being here for me. I asked for it? Please do correct my grammar, I've no problem with that, I must have missed that bent of yours in the midst of all your many intelligently mannered posts that 'ranted' about being called out for your backward grammar that gave you so much mileage to babble on about! Somehow, I think you should be thanking me for such fodder for your mind and fingers.
  
  As for the sexuality direction of your posts on this topic.....so far as I'm concerned, it's clear you like that avenue as a distraction, and Ignorance is the Topic. Surely, I am as much entitled to comment and opine as yourself, Mr. Chimp.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then once again you would be incorrect, Wonder Bread. Since you like to call others names I'm sure you won't mind being treated the same.
  
  You were correcting EARNEST, not myself for using the word "seen". I corrected you for using the word "chow" instead of the Italian word "ciao" unless you were intending to use a word which referenced a type of canine or a Chinese designation, which I doubt. Ergo, the German Shepherd reference in my response.
  
  You do not realize I and others are giving you leeway because you appear to be new here. If you continue to disparage others about forum post mistakes you will only dig your hole deeper than it already is.
  
  Yes, the title of this thread is "ignorance." Keep showing yours on forum etiquette as you have done in this thread. And no, I do not thank you for exhibiting the same "fodder" others have furnished time and time again here. Petty and childish as it always is. You would be better to make valid points instead of name calling and petty criticisms. They help your argument none whatsoever.
  
  I suppose I missed anyone going "postal" unless your connotation of the phrase is different than that I am familiar with. But feel free to point the episode out if you like.
  
  No one is attempting to prevent you from giving your opinion or commenting on the forums, but be prepared for others to disagree with your stance as you do theirs. So, carry on at your own risk. Please be sure to reference the right person if you can. Ciao, Wonder Woman!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  of the corpus callosum? are we talking about the same thing here. google it! it's the thing that connects your two hemispheres...(i don't get it, why is this a discussion again?)
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The girls brains are better hooked up dammit!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yessereee!
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In the flaccid stage or when it's angry?
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  KFlippinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your need to sexualize a religious forum topic, in the interest of degrading that topic, is ......quite ignorant. Chow.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am deeply sorry! I forgot how sensitive you are! Consider me........chagrined! German Shepherd!
  
  Or did you mean to say Ciao? (for you Earnest) LOL
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  the one rodwin's mistaking for a brain.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't knock it! Most of my thinking was done with it as a young man!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm happy for you that the one on top has begun to take over.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, testosterone is the enemy of us all!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  but it makes the mens eyebrows thick, the jawline square and the muscles prominent. I thank testosterone for brad pitt
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ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago
which is why women can talk at the same time and still understand each other, can multitask and can see an affair waiting to happen with just one look! you guys were cheated out of a cool piece of equipment in exchange of that thing that is flacid at times. Ah well.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
The female advantage seems to be like running a wider bus in a computer. Their is more capacity to move information from one cortex to the other.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i suppose it has something to do with child-rearing. Ever cooked and kept a kid from falling from the table while another kid is saying "mom wash my tooshie now! its gross!"? You really need to have the right equipment to process all that.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't I know it!
  I looked after my 3 youngest grandchildren when their mom was in hospital and they all had diarrhoea and the flu.
  
  The nappies were the worst I've encountered and were needed constantly every few hours day and night for a week. Looking after the animals, (2 cats. a dog and a parrot) giving medicine to the kids, cleaning up vomit.
  
  When my daughter came home I was a wreck! She does it everyday with 5 of them!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yep, see that's why that wiry thing got bigger, need faster processing speed!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You ain't just whistlin Dixie!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ooh. wish i knew what that meant...sorry my foreign english no understand.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not surprised! It is an American expression I believe, and I don't speak proper English either, being Australian!
  I meant to say "You are indefatigably correct!"
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  An old American "war of Northern Aggression" saying. Never watched " The Outlaw Josie Wales"?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Naaah, I hate westerns, i hate it when people who look like my uncles get shot at.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What does it mean Randy?
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  During the American Civil War confederate soldiers would whistle the song "Dixie" as a way to let other rebels know they were "friendly." Of course, sometimes it was used by the northern soldiers to try to fool them so they could get closer. In this case, "they weren't just whistling Dixie."
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, nice factoid, Randy! (But don't pick on virgin forumers, they need time to absorb the forum culture)
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do not pick on them unless they are rude to other posters. They must learn to "take it" if they wish to "dish it out."
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh, so she is in that club!
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do not know if she has been initiated yet. I hope not though, they seem to be angry all of the time.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i know right? what is with that? i think i'll call them the citizens of prozac nation. CPN
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Usually they get mad because their arguments are shown to be faulty. They respond with name-calling or some other insult which only sets them up for more embarrassment. A vicious cycle it seems.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yes, the D word definitely fits that bill, though the D word has calmed down a lot...or I've been too busy to actually witness another outburst.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks mate! Arms across the globe!
  
  Have I got the meaning of it a bit wrong in my lingo or do I understand that it also means something like "You spoke a mouth full" or something similar?
  
  I guess I mean has the saying been bastardised since then?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i thought the context was used right. like, you're being for real.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you've got it right, Earnest. The example I gave you is just one of many versions of the story and I'm not sure how it became to mean what is does. We southerners have some strange sayings and some I'm not too sure of the meaning of myself.
  
  Aussies probably do the same thing I suspect.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure we do! The further you head towards the black stump, (Australia's mythical middle of nowhere) the more the language changes. We have our own "Southerners" mostly up north!
  A very colourful crew, many of them the salt of the earth with great capacity to warp words and meaning just for fun!
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like my type of folks, Earnest!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, you would probably enjoy our farmers, or "cockies" as we call them.(Originally only applied to dairy farmers)
  
  They are a lot different in the main to what the stereotypes would indicate. We do of course have the usual nutters, but like America's farming regions it is harsh and brings out the best in people somehow.
  
  Many farmers can weld, cook, sow, milk, irrigate, crop, fence, repair all sorts of machinery, do the work of electrician, engineer, draughtsman, vetinarian.
  They know how to temper metal make metal castings I could go on and on.
  You probably have a similar skill set, and would be able to chat with them all day. I enjoy talking to people when I travel.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I am accomplished in many of the same skills. I seem to be the person to go to if an unusual problem is encountered. Not bragging because it gets to be a bit of a drag sometimes.
  
  It's hard to say no to friends and relatives. Did you read Holle's hub where I fixed her car with a whisk broom and some pudding pops? True story!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't doubt it. I will take a read, sounds interesting.
  I drove my 47 standard deluxe side valve ford until it had so little compression I had to get the motor up to speed downhill to get it to fire!
  
  I got some shirt buttons and air gapped the spark plugs to lift voltage to keep it running on 8! It was bypassing so much oil it kept fouling the plugs. The buttons kept it going just fine!
  
  I was 14 and dirt poor at the time!
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Necessity is indeed the mother of invention, Earnest. Especially if you're only forteen!
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And there is the root of all human ignorance : necessity.
  Well said RG, very well said.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hmmm interesting
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I allways enjoy a good story Earnest, especially if its autobiographical.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks! Life has been a lot of fun!
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ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago
(oh, i wish i was in the mood to flirt with someone but i'm too married and I like religion forums too much(sigh)...mega1 is doing spanish songs with tractor guy in the other forum)

I think language evolves from cultural events. Like the F word came from "pluck" because the arrows are plucked from the the bow using the middle finger.
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NightEmpressposted 14 years ago
I'd rather don't say anything !
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Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago
yes, that's going to help the ignorance -endless priori of human condition (The Ism); expressed by evoking banter or banter evoking. Best to both sides, I'm going fishing.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  but i just got here, we can do our routine of constantly saying "I agree" "You're right"
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  nods. i agree.
  
  ps: bah-hhhhhh.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i agree
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ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago
magnanimity must not be met with arrogance...that too is ignorance.
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ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago
you see...it never ends
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  40, love. love all. deuce.
  anyone for tea? jeje
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm off to central park to have tea, as in right now. Let the monkey hate his cage on his own.
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ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago
don't feed monkeys
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
83% of Americans are ignorant.

Hi friends

Ignorant of what?

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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pylos26posted 14 years ago
sir...I answered that question 3 posts back to Bibowen.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend pylos26
  
  Sorry; now I have found your response.
  
  It is not good not to pray; prayer or giving thanks to the Creator- God Allah YHWH is essential; it attunes us with our evolutions and aligns us to the purpose of our creation. This way we are saved from confusion and could enjoy our life fully here and also in the hereafter. Prayers are accepted by the Creator- God Allah YHWH; and none else accepts them or helps human beings.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don’t know you well enough to accept your friendship yet!...perhaps later cus your tone frightens me.
  
  It is also not bad not to pray…lots feel the foolishness of praying… as they wouldn’t have a clue of who to approach for such goings-on and also they see it as simply bullshit. The purpose of life obviously is procreation and it don’t give a shit whether the birthed or sprouted flourishes or perishes, but its damned well going to birth and sprout. Sorry, I have no idea what allah is and probably don’t care as whatever it is already sounds boring. Thank you for posting on my thread.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend pylos26
  
  Friendship is always good; it harms nobody.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
83% of Americans are ignorant.

In what sense? Are they illiterate?

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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TMMasonposted 14 years ago
Ignorant because we have faith, Paas.

The leftists can't wait till they have killed God.
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pylos26posted 14 years ago
I suppose leftists (whatever that is)will just have to wait.
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