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What is the monetary value of vatican city?

  1. qwark profile image59
    qwarkposted 7 years ago

    Is "christianity" devoted to the accumulation of wealth and power?

    1. Rafini profile image87
      Rafiniposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Qwark!!   (no hi-jacking today, I promise!!  lol)

      No, Catholicism is.


      Oh!  and Mormonism.

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hahaha..Hi Raf..:-)
        First question first:
        What is the value of vatican city?
        Now 2nd question.
        Catholics claim to be the only christians.
        Mormons are naught but a crazy cult.
        My father was a mormon. I know it first hand.
        From the council of nicea to today, has and is,  power and wealth been the aim of christianity?

        1. profile image69
          paarsurreyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          From Paul to nicea to today, has and is, power and wealth been the aim of christianity?

          Thanks

      2. JethroHiggins profile image60
        JethroHigginsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The Catholic Church is the greatest  force of social justice on the planet, feeding more hungry, clothing more naked and giving more of the homeless shelter than any other organization on the planet.  And the Church is responsible for keeping Art and History alive through the ages.  Saving the planet is not a cheap endeavor.  The Catholic Church is pretty much #1 in everything that is good on Earth. 

        It takes money in this world to do things like this it's not like the Church is hording money.  Having money and hording money are two very different things, and without money organizations like Catholic Relief Service, and the Knights of Columbus or Catholic daughters could not offer the services and benefits to the needy that they do.

        If the Church wants to continue to be a force of good in the world for another 2000 years financial stability does a lot to help that.  ALso you are making the error of assuming that "The Church" is bishops and Cardinals.  It is not The Church is the people.  Who have freely given their money to a pool for the purposes and needs of others in our greater community. 

        Somebody was making a big deal of the number 100 Billion as if that were a lot of money, but if that were the amount of money that the Church has in the bank which I'm not sure that would be a relatively insignificant amount.  That would be roughly $80 for each person who is Catholic.  In my opinion each individual Catholic should consider increasing their donations to the general pool of money we use to do good in the world so that we can reach a greater number of people with basic human needs.

        1. profile image60
          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          According to the John Jay Report:

              * Of the 11,000 allegations, 3300 were not investigated because the allegations were made after the accused priest had died. 6700 allegations were substantiated, leaving 1000 which could not be substantiated.
              * 56% of the priests were accused of a single allegation. 44.4% of the priests were the subject of more than one allegation. 3.5% of the priests were the subject of ten or more allegations.
              * Just under 6% of victims were 7 years of age or younger. 16% of the victims were between age 8 and age 10. 78% of the victims were between age 11 and age 17.

          http://www.oneinhundred.com/Upfiles/upimg3/Foam-stock--We-re-number-1--ha-4846613.jpg

    2. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is "christianity" devoted to the accumulation of wealth and power?

      It always has been and nothing more.

      As for the monetary value of the Vatican? Going up in value in property only, each and every, day. lol lol

      1. qwark profile image59
        qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        TY Cags:
        I've spoken to many priests and catholics who adamantly claim to be the only christians.
        It seems to me, from my seminary studies that jesus was an ascetic who alledgely preached wherever he could find those who would listen. Whether it's true of not is of no concern.
        What is of concern is that vatican city is the very heart beat of the richest, capitalistic theocracy on earth and it claims to represent this fellow jesus christ.
        I seem to remember that this jesus didn't have a pot-to-piss in, let alone a city worth billions of dollars which could be spent caringly, relieving, so much pain and suffering in the world!
        It seems to me that it's CEO: the pope, exists among riches that only the pharoahs could enjoy!
        It seems to me, that "IF" the myth of "satan" were a reality, he, would fit snuggly into the clown robes of this religious criminal...the pope!
        I visited vatican city. I have never been witness to such oppulence and unmitigated riches!
        It seemed to me to be the antithesis of everything this fellow jesus stood for.

        1. blue parrot profile image57
          blue parrotposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, the Vatican owns the greaest art made by its artists all along the centrueis and partly financed by selling  papal pardons for all your sins.

          However, could you tell me, please, what the Vatican could do with all those riches? Sell them for some lousy dollars? Swiss francs? Euros? Sell to whom?

          You'll say: no matter what currency, give it to the poor.

          Hm.

          How much have the US been spending these last few years on their wars?

          1. qwark profile image59
            qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Irish:
            c'mon!
            Catholicism is still collecting tithes! For what? to get richer and more powerful?
            They are always seeking more converts to bring more $ into the vatican cache!
            It is the "mafia" on a much grander scale!
            If they were so onclined, they could be of much greater assistance to humanity than they are...but their main interest since 300 AD has been power and riches..
            They represent mankind at its absolute worst!

      2. JethroHiggins profile image60
        JethroHigginsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Qwark your mind is backwards on the way those to things are connected... The Church uses their money to reach more people not their people to reach more money...  It's not like somebody is living fat on Vatican Cash... the Pope lives in a mostly empty room much like an apartment or cell.  This thread is filled with people that have a fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between Church and money.  And to be honest if you are against the Catholic Church then your opinion about what we should or shouldn't do with our money is pretty useless.  Who are you to tell me what to do with my money.  If you want to bring down a selfish money grubbing organization then watch the new movie "Blood Money"  Here's the trailor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaTywSDmls

    3. seanorjohn profile image82
      seanorjohnposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A bent farthing.( the lowest common denomination in English currency)Ok, I should have said a bent Italian coin.

  2. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Just for the record, I like Jesus' work. I just do not like his message mixed up in religious text.

    And you're right, he had no desire to be wealthy, because it wasn't something he felt he needed. Besides, he saw the corruption wealth brings to those who have it.

    1. qwark profile image59
      qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Cags:
      This,of course, is "presumption:"

      "And you're right, he had no desire to be wealthy, because it wasn't something he felt he needed. Besides, he saw the corruption wealth brings to those who have it."

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        A "presumption"? No. His life is recorded, regardless of whether or not, you believe it is true.

        People, like you- distort the facts- the bible is a written document, some history and some mythology. To discern truth, you need to know which is history and which is mythology.

        Many people say that it is hear say, because all the information is second hand. However, if you rip it Jesus' work from religion's grasp, you get a much simpler message than the garbage in the bible.

        Incorporating everything known to humanity, since recorded time and now, can you depict what his life was like and what his intentions were from his message spoken to his followers.

        However, as I have said before, my own research into religion has bared fruit, because hundreds of people before me, had done similar research and when everything is taken into account, truth is revealed.

        1. qwark profile image59
          qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Cags:
          ...and after reading that, my comment remains the same.
          What you offer is trite, hopeful presumption. Nothing more.   :-)
          Prove me wrong pls...

          1. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hey Qwark,

            Answer this one question, before I attempt to prove you wrong.

            Is there truth in a lie? smile

            You have a 50% chance of guessing the right answer.


            Edit: btw- I am curious what "truth" is to you also?

            1. qwark profile image59
              qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              CAgs: There is no relevancy attached to that question.
              My last response stands.
              Prove me wrong..

              1. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Actually, you would be wrong on the relevance of what I asked you.

                DUH!

                There was a reason for it, as I also edited my post. You're one of the people who seems to think that truth is subjected to one person individual perspective.

                So, since you are unable to see outside your own little box you built for yourself, then opening your mind isn't an option.

                Therefore I conclude I would not be able to show you or explain enough for you to understand it. And, on that note, I'll leave it alone.

                Therefore, you can feel your win, that I cannot prove you wrong.

                1. qwark profile image59
                  qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  CAgs:
                  End of chat.
                  My comment stands.
                  You offer naught but trite, hopeful presumption.
                  TY tho for making a forgetable try.  :-)

                  1. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You know, you can be difficult from time to time and it can be fun to watch, but when you decide that you will no longer learn, then you've lost my respect.

                    I did have some respect for you, up to this point. You can add me to your growing list of people not to talk to. I willingly go on it.

                    So much for your respect for me, as you claim to have?

                    Have a nice life Qwark.

  3. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    1 dollor?

  4. qwark profile image59
    qwarkposted 7 years ago

    Gosh! This must be a hard one!
    Not even any guessers 'cept "aware" at 1 dollar.....lol

    1. Jerami profile image73
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I can not write  that high of a number. 
        Never thought about it in this respect before
         I'd bet ya a nickel that their liquid assets are greater that the combined assets of the rest of the world.

         Am I close???

        Maybe I should have said liquid and debt free realistate.
      That is a lot.

  5. Rafini profile image87
    Rafiniposted 7 years ago

    Any monetary value attributed to Vatican City then equals the value of the Catholic Church and nothing more.  So, for me, I don't really care - I have faith in God above, not in the greedy people on earth.

    Jesus wasn't interested in monetary gain for a reason - He knew it wasn't important.  What's in the heart is what really matters.

    1. qwark profile image59
      qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Raf:
      No you don't.
      You have faith in what you imagine to be "above."
      The vatican represents man at his lowest level of greed and tyranny!
      It uses what you "imagine" to be "above" and preys on the ignorant and easily led.
      It represents the epitome of "greed" and betrayal!

      1. Rafini profile image87
        Rafiniposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I can agree with you about the Vatican, but not about my faith. smile 


        I mentioned God above, but really God is everywhere and everything.  Do I have faith in 'everything'?  That depends on what is meant by 'everything'.  For my purpose, it means nature and what can benefit man the most in its most natural form.  Nothing in life is perfect, so I can deal with my cotton clothes being combined with another fabric - even if its an 'artificial' fabric.  I can deal with eating white bread but prefer wheat.  I can deal with some of my food being processed (pasta) but enjoy fruits and veggies more. 

        God created nature and mankind - I have my faith. smile

        1. qwark profile image59
          qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Raf:
          ...and I can agree with you if you consider this god thing to be "nature."  :-)

          1. Rafini profile image87
            Rafiniposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol

            You mean we actually have some kind of understanding - or almost?  big_smile

            1. qwark profile image59
              qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Raf:
              Who truly understands anything?...:-)

              1. Rafini profile image87
                Rafiniposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Oh, my!  lol

                um...understanding...um...doesn't everyone understand at least something?  lol

                1. qwark profile image59
                  qwarkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  lol...Raf, we think we do, but who knows?
                  Everything we think we know could change tomorrow...eh? :-)

                  1. Rafini profile image87
                    Rafiniposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No!  Please, I'm happy with what I know...so far anyway. hmm  lol

  6. Michael Adams1959 profile image34
    Michael Adams1959posted 7 years ago

    I don't know the value monetarily but I had heard it long ago. I do know it is more than enough to pay off entire nations debt. And yes it is enough that could actually pay off the debt of the United States.

  7. theirishobserver. profile image57
    theirishobserver.posted 7 years ago

    Financially 100 Billion - morally 00000000000000000000

  8. profile image55
    JOHNSTARposted 7 years ago

    money is needed in all churches to help keep needs a wants just
    like you need money in everyday life especially for your family
    and home.

    1. profile image60
      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Gosh, I wish I had a family like this:

         "The Vatican has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase-Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others. The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. At a conservative estimate, these amount to more than 500 million dollars in the U.S.A. alone.

            "In a statement published in connection with a bond prospectus, the Boston archdiocese listed its assets at Six Hundred and Thirty-five Million ($635,891,004), which is 9.9 times its liabilities. This leaves a net worth of Five Hundred and Seventy-one million dollars ($571,704,953). It is not difficult to discover the truly astonishing wealth of the church, once we add the riches of the twenty-eight archdioceses and 122 dioceses of the U.S.A., some of which are even wealthier than that of Boston. "

  9. schoolgirlforreal profile image71
    schoolgirlforrealposted 7 years ago

    Interesting question lol
    But to me as a spiritual person, I would say,
    the amount of Splendour man gave to vatican city- this temple if you will- the center of the Roman Catholic Church........man builds Churches to honor God--so if this is the richest one in the world--must be the one, holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of Christ!!!! Anyways, if you find out let me know ;-)

  10. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I find it intresting that God did not let King David build him a temple because he had blood on his hands. Soloman finished his temple for god in 966BC
       and God fortold of its destruction and that it would be rebuilt 70 years later.
       God also foretold of that temple being destroyed and not one stone shall be left one on top of another that shall not have been thrown down. Sounds like he had no intentions of it being built again.       
     
       I don't think that God liked the temple thing very much if he kept destrouing it.

    Rev 21:22  For the Lord God almighty and the lamb are the temple of it.
      Don't ask me EXACTLY what this means...  but it sounds pretty signifigant for some reason.

 
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