Do christians have to become Jews to be a follow of Jesus Christ

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haj3396posted 14 years ago
I well not give an statement until I here from you.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, not Jewish in the literal sense.
  The Jews were God's "chosen" people. But through Christ, salvation has come to be offered to Gentiles also.
  Gentiles like me are considered to be "grafted into" the kingdom of God when we become saved. In other words, I am now a part of God's "Israel" because I've accepted Christ.
  Salvation is for anyone who's willing to accept Christ.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  many a rabbi will keel over with that statement
  
  but in Jewish Law, if you obey the Noahide Laws, a gentile can have a share in the World to Come.
  
  It's like a club. (I frankly think it's one of those odd cop outs)
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  lightning johnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What is salvation?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  what is salvation to you? you seem to have the answer.
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  aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Knowing that God has made a way for you, in Christ, to get what God wants for you, rather than what you deserve.
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  lightning johnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What does god want for me, other than certain death?
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  the pink umbrellaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just be a good person. thats all anyone can ask.
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  lightning johnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you! If only every human would just do that, and forget about trying to change everyone else.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  the problem is, the definition of good varies.
  
  so examining what "good" is exploded into philosophy and religion.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you want certain death or immortality?
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  lightning johnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What I want is not that important. I see myself in my own son, he is so much like me, we look alike, think alike. It's really bizzare that when my body is dead, in a way I will still be here through him, as well as his mother.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Richard Dawkins did say that our bodies are just vessels of the altruistic gene. It is really what is immortal in us, the things we learn that become encoded in our genes.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  RIGHT ON!! If anything, Jews under the Old Covenant need to convert to Christianity to be part of "spiritual Israel" :-)
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is a very divisive statement that is un-Christian. The parable of the Samaritan demonstrates that you don't have to be a particular race or religion to be a true brother to another.
  
  Statements that divide just show that you have not truly imbibed the meaning of the gospels. To those who preach, first practice.
  
  I'm sure your loyalty is to Christians but, above Christians there is G-d. Be loyal to G-d. Give appreciation to our Jewish Brothers who kept the teachings alive through centuries enough for it to be part of our lives today. We all have a role to play. We must embrace that role with sincerity.
  
  Christianity is about loving another as we love ourselves.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not wanting to start a debate exactly, but I do wanna say that Judah's Daughter's statement was simply Truth, not unChristian like you accused her of.
  
  ....The Bible says Jesus is the ONLY Way.
  So...whether a person is Jewish or American or Chinese or whatever, the key is the word WHOSOEVER (as others have stated here)....whosoever gives their hearts to Jesus Christ during their lifetime and endure to the end will be saved.
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but only if you have already decided that the Bible is infallible. I think you'd have to admit that the jury is still out on that one.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol I don't have to admit any such thing! And the "jury" can do whatever they wish.
  I know the Truth.
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  Paradise7posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whoa, Brenda, you believe what you believe and I respect that, but you are you and not everyone, so, for a lot of people, the jury is still out...which I thought was a fairly tolerant way of putting a religiously skeptical point of view.
  
  One's religious convictions, while valid on a personal level, are not facts.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Think however you wish.
  I was just stating facts, period.
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda - I don't for one second doubt that you believe that you know the Truth.
  
  But your believing something doesn't necessarily make it true.
  
  A little humility might not be out of order.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not humble before man.
  Only before my Lord.
  Sorry, but He outranks everyone.
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  haj3396posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is wonderful, what writing, you are great, but, the Bible states;
  
  27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
  
  28 There is neither JEW nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
  
  29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
  
  God said if you are mine then you are a Jew and heirs according to the promise
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  Dave Mathewsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All Gentiles can become Christian and follow Jesus Christ and His teachings.
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I suspect you are asking if they need to cut a bit off - no, they don't need to, but modern Americans do anyway, just in case
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  the pink umbrellaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Modern Americans do because num1-its easier to keep clean., and num2- its not as scary to whomever is going to see it. Haha, i think it rather polite! Although unnatural, but there are alot of things americans get rid of that are natural. How would you like to see all of thios hot girls on the beach with tufts of hair escaping their bikini bottoms! lol
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Number 1 - washing is not difficult
  
  Number 2 - were American women in a state of fear for the few hundred years before about 1950 when fashionable mutilation invaded your shores?
  
  Number2a - Have you never been to France?
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  the pink umbrellaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, pardon me, but there is no reason for such hostility. I cant imagin that before 1950, anyone gave it a thought. But this is 2010 sweety, and id much rather have a clean army helment stareing at me than an ardvark.
  
  And as for number 1, washing is not any more difficult for a man than it is for a woman, id imagin. But just the same, i stand firm with my reasoning, and the advice of the pediatrician when my son was born...that a circumsized willy is easier to keep clean.
  
  As for france, no ive never been. But i can tell you this, i'd swim back to america if apon arrival i discovered nothing but anteaters.
  
  my comment to you was civil and humorous. You are aparently looking for an argument. Be nice to me please, i do not appreciate rudeness.
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No hostility intended. I think you missed the humour in mine. Styles are different in many things across the Atlantic, including dryness
  
  In France, you can see plenty of hair. Spain too. But hair isn't really in the same league as foreskins. Hair grows back.
  
  I don't think we really have the right to make permanent changes to a child's anatomy when they are too young to have a say in it.
  
  I also think it's kind of funny that people think they can improve on nature!
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  the pink umbrellaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  haha, well i think weve improved many natural things, such as body oder! lol
  The only thing I can say, is that its snip snip for my son, and that was a decision that i made before i even got pregnant.
  There are alot of things we as parents have to do that our children do not have a say in. For instance, their name. It costs time and money to change a name, so unless my son wants to go the extra mile he's stuck. And if i let him make that decision right now, he'd end up with a name like "sponge bob,"
  If we all allowed the natural process to happen instead of altering ourselves, then we'd all have missing teeth, gray hair, hairy legs and armpits, unibrows...
  I dont know, i just like the clean ness that comes along with the circumcision, thats all. But im sure there are other topics in which you and i might agree. Nice talking to you.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  circumcision is a good topic. Isn't it medically sound?
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  lightning johnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can't imagine not being trimmed up!
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  the pink umbrellaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is because you are a boy who appreciates his mother! She did it for you, kid!
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  lightning johnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  aah! that's so sweet!
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Male circumcision, clinically performed, is medically sound, though obviously not necessary as several billion males function perfectly without it.
  
  Female 'circumcision' or FGM (female genital mutilation) is medically unsound, dangerous, and cruel.
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  lightning johnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why would anyone want to do that to a girl?
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To ensure she cannot enjoy sex. That's the kind of thing patriarchal religions come up with.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is seriously bizarre. I guess, they don't want the woman straying.
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is, and because it is often carried out ritualistically, not clinically, there are many terrible consequences. Another strange aspect is that it is often the women who insist on the practice.
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  the pink umbrellaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Some people are born with a vistigial tail. They could function normally too, but id wack that away as well.
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, so would I. But here we're talking about a tiny percentage, unlike the 100% of boy babies born with a foreskin.
  
  (I do appreciate, by the way, that it is hard to go against an established tradition. In the US, an intact boy might have a rough time from school bullies. But it is strange for a country to come to this practice as late as 1950. In most cultures it's rooted in ancient history).
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  Deaconessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, medically sound. And I have just learned recently that science has discovered that uncircumcised appendages can cause cervical cancer in women they come in sexual contact with.
  
  It still amazes me that Jewish laws regarding health and eating and such are being proven useful by modern day science.
  
  Evidence of either divine inspiration... or that someone from the future, time traveled back to give their ancestors some advice?
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  jfr07posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  These laws of on health, eating, and all of Jewish law were divine inspiration handed given to Moses on Sinai, so they were indeed divine inspiration
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  Rieceposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I well not ants her unt hill you right beter!
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  funny
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  First, to be Hebrew is to be circumcised. Second is to follow Mosaic Law --not just the ten commandments.
  It is not necessary for anyone to become a Hebrew OR Christian to understand Creator.
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  pylos26posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope...just wear a mask.
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ceciliabeltranposted 14 years ago
Oh you guys just fed the trolls
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  haaaahhah
  
  Well, trolls are hungry. Maybe if they get their bellies full, they'll stroll away and take a nap somewhere? I'm an optimist. heehee
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  call me your big billy goat.
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ryankettposted 14 years ago
YES!

And that is precisely why America gives $3bn per year to Isreal to kill 'non-believers'. Jesus would have loved that

If there was truly a jesus, then his 'chosen people' are betraying him. I would be interested in what it is he would write now, it would probably tell everybody to become athiests - since that appears to be the only way that we can unite.
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  Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I really liked what u said. I guess Jesus would be an atheist (more preciously a humanist) in his second coming, if he really returns! Did anyone imagine what would be his appearance next time? I think he would be very fashionable...since its hard to get attention in the media, he has to work hard on his looks
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well, the mystics say that the code in the Torah says the next Messiah is a woman. (not kidding)
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's one I haven't heard before.
  Wonder if Gloria Steinem started that rumor long ago?....haha
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well, its fairly hush hush in the Jewish esoteric crowd...you know like they whisper it when they talk about it. (again, not kidding)
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  the pink umbrellaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If the messiah will be a womn, why werent women allowed to study the tora?
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  because women to them are here on this earth only to correct their husbands/mates. women are already enlightened to begin with.
  (again, cop out)
  
  Also you're allowed, you just have to stay at the back where you can't distract the boys while they do there body rocking.
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  jfr07posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do not know where this information is coming from, but totally incorrect
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  Elpasoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe he's Lady GaGa!!!
  That's the way he was in his time. Original! Fun! And Loving!
  
  He didn't want to die, so he was brave too. Why is it, we don't see any of these attributes in the people that claim to be closer to HIM than the rest of us?
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And how many Muslims do you know that fly over Israel dropping flyers to warn them to get out of the way so their artillary can be destroyed without the loss of life? Why did Israel do this? Because Muslims place their weapons in schools, hospitals and use their children and other people as human shields.
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Sky321posted 14 years ago
One iinterpretation of Salvation is:

Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me." (John 14:6)

Good works cannot save you.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Trust Jesus Christ today! Here's what you must do:
Admit you are a sinner.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3:23)

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" (Romans 5:12)

"If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1 John 1:10)

Be willing to turn from sin (repent).
Jesus said: "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:5)

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:30)

Believe that Jesus Christ died for you, was buried, and rose from the dead.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners. Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Romans 10:9)

Through prayer, invite Jesus into your life to become your personal Saviour.
"For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Romans 10:10)

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13)

What to pray:

Dear God, I am a sinner and need forgiveness. I believe that Jesus Christ shed His precious blood and died for my sin. I am willing to turn from sin. I now invite Christ to come into my heart and life as my personal Saviour.
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lightning johnposted 14 years ago
When i was young, I had all the answers. Now that I'm older, the world seems more of a mystery than ever to me.
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  welcome to enlightenment
  
  I personally find the world salvation dodgy. like from what? from sin? what's that? sin is SHIN, which is fire, which is also shining light. you sin because you are in the dark. the recognition of being in the dark is a light unto itself. so what is salvation indeed?
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Joe A. McCrayposted 14 years ago
No!(Romans 10:9-13) That if thou shall confess with thou mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in thine heart that God hath raiseth him from the dead, thou shall be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For there is NO difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over ALL is rich unto ALL that call upon him. For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be Saved. I believe that the WHOSOEVER cleared the way for you.
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Paradise7posted 14 years ago
Christ was a Jew. Any Christian prejudiced against Jews is missing the entire point.
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Deaconessposted 14 years ago
Before I answer the main question here, I have to know how the inquirer defines "Jewish."
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Nah! The just enjoyed hurting people!
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pjk_artistposted 14 years ago
No! The majority of Christian s and Jews haven't got a clue who Jesus is so none truly follow Him.
Jesus is the biblical personification of your IMAGINATION.
Would you like to know more?
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Paradise7posted 14 years ago
I actually think Jews don't believe in Christ as the Messiah...so you're much less likely to become a Christian if you start out as a Jew, even though Christ was a Jew.

Christ offered his gifts to the world at large, no one excluded. Christianity is NOT an exclusive club.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But the object of Christian worship IS exclusive.
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pjk_artistposted 14 years ago
Christ was not a Jew...but every Jew, Christian, Muslim, Agnostic is Christ.
Christ exists only in man. Christ is your imagination.
YOU are I AM.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You may think YOU are, but I'm not.
  
  Christ was real here on this earth, and now He is real in Heaven.
  
  It was and is the devil who keeps wanting to make us think we're God.
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  pjk_artistposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda Said:
  "Christ was real here on this earth, and now He is real in Heaven."
  
  Yes Brenda. Christ is (not was) real(ly) here on this earth....in every man or woman born from the womb. Heaven is your skull and Jesus exists inside yours now. Matter of fact you would not be reading this were he not.
  
  Brenda said:
  "It was and is the devil who keeps wanting to make us think we're God."
  
  Brenda when you say "the devil" I assume you are referring to the biblical character called Satan. Satan, like all biblical characters, refers to a state of mind, of complete disbelief in the existence of God within you. There is no nasty little red guy in some very hot place trying to influence your thoughts and actions and make you worship a false God. Just like there is no divine being somewhere external to yourself for you to have faith in.
  
  I am declaring to you the entire counsel of the Lord my dear Brenda. I hope you choose to hear the truth. Its hard to abandon beliefs you've held for years, and realize that there is no one responsible for your life's conditions other than yourself. Pray in God's name Brenda. Say "I AM"
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nice try.
  
  What I will say is that I am a child of the great "I AM".
  Praise His holy Name!!
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cheaptrickposted 14 years ago
Jesus was born a Jew
Jesus lived as a Jew
Jesus died a Jew
Jesus was resurrected a Jew
.....To bad he couldn't have waited thirty years
...he could have become a Christian...
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  DEAN! How are ya brother?
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  cheaptrickposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi'a James.I just had a few minutes free and thought I'd visit the forums to see if I could gain a bit of wisdom.
  Sooo much wisdom...so little time!
  I see the same folks are dominating and excluding others.Who do you have to bribe to join this club?I guess I pissed off the wrong super hubbers.
  Oh well...
  Like the Ghetto Philosopher said"It is better to be pissed off than it is to be pissed On"...
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So true.
  I have been avoiding the forums for lack of originality in the arguments.
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  Dave Barnettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In answer to the question. No, but jews must gain an understanding of Jesus. Not jewish, and not necessarily what you'd call a christian, so take it for what it's worth. Most christians say Jesus is God, but I beleive that Jesus was man. and god, and Spirit. That we all are man, god and spirit
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  pjk_artistposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Most intelligent thing I've read on this thread.
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  cheaptrickposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You really should take a close look at Christian Gnosticism cause your speaking the language right now.
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Justcallmeleroyposted 14 years ago
No
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chatpilotposted 14 years ago
The answer to this question is an emphatic No! Because of the Jews initial rejection of Christ salvation was extended to the gentiles. Peter in Acts 10:15,28,34,35 speaks of a vision from God and explains how he received permission from God to preach the gospel to all nations.
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