Many people seem to hate them, but they are just doing as Jesus did in the bible. He preached and teached the word of God traveling as he did so to the homes of many individuals. But still most other religions stay in a church and preach, while the Jehovah witnesses try to imitate his behavior.
Do you see them as an annoyance you or do you listen to what they have to say?
I used to have conversations with them, but never let them into my home. I heard what they had to say, and then said good day.
After doing my own research on religion, I no longer waste my time talking to them. But then again, I've not seen one for about 3-4 years.
you have spoke to one recently Cagsil but not at the door
Have I spoken to one recently? I have one that lives in the apartment complex that I live in. She and her husband live on the third floor and I live on the first floor.
She has spoken to me and I've spoken to her. She is a very caring lady who knows her place and my position on her beliefs. However, we still get along.
I have not been visited by them in years and really do not expect to be visited by them. However, should it happen, I'll be glad to correct them on what they do not know of their own religion.
Its a Cult.
Then a lot of religions are cults.
However, I have nothing but negative experiences with JWs. Very pushy, threatening hell fire, and upsetting people and homes to no end. How "Jehovah-like." They don't make their religion very appealing, is all I can say. All the more reason to run the other way, not answer the door, and avoid them.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the teaching of hell fire.
How can they be a cult? A cult worships the devil they surely don't!
No, I don't. I have invited them in and talked with them. I am not a JW, but we still had a nice chat. They were nice people.
Well its good to see that a few of us had some relatively good experiences. The ones in the other areas need for training, lol.
They are just people like the rest of us. Ya can have a good chat with any body if ya give them a chance.
I've met a couple of nice JW's.
The JW brainwashing made them look as mad as whistling kettles, but they were nice enough otherwise.
They were kids that had been chosen to "spread the word" as far away as Darwin in the Northern Territory of Australia.
Now that is some serious indoctrination!
Now that is sad. I'm assumeing teenagers? That had to have been scarey for them. I've known people who were pretty hateful when JW knocked on their door. Made me feel sorry for them.
I guess they were late teens or young adults, but they were kids either way. Naive and indoctrinated.
I feel sorry for anyone wasting their time like this.
LOL Yeah, to me a 30 year old is still a kid. I guess cause my baby is 31. Thing is, they are taught to go door to door. A lot of people won't receive them. We are suppose to do that, but, if some one wants to hear, they will go to church, or ask. No body wants to be pushed into anything. I wonder if those poor younguns knew what they were getting into going door to door. I hope every one was nice to them. But then, maybe that's why they sent younguns out.
Unfortunately they probably copped a very hard time in Darwin at that time.
That's a shame, but I guess they learned a hard lesson. Maybe?
Have a good night, day, what ever it is there.
Lol, sometimes the young ones make the decision on their own to do 'door to door'. But I do hope none are being forced by their parents or the other JWs. The JWs don't seem like they would do that kind of thing though, nut you never.....
Oh me too. I hope they aren't being forced. I would invite my sons to church, but I wouldn't force them. They would be there for the wrong reason if they are forced. That would just drive them away! The JW's can go thru a lot of rudeness and hatred going door to door. I have seen it happen. It would be terrible to "force" some one to endure that.
I open my door to anyone that is willing to discuss the Bible, I have never found any one, being pushy or rude or anything like that, I do not go along with all their teaching, but speaking about the Bible with others is always a good thing to do, who knows, even if their belief is different, we may learn something, they may even learn something
that is a good thing
i feelbad for themii they dont know any better; i should know i was a jehovah witness before.. but saved and christian now for 7 years.. yes they believe they are doing what jesus told them.. but realize they have their own bible mixed with truth and lies. they believe they can live forever on paradise earth by earning it.. once you decide not to be one of them or be a part of their organization anymore they disfellowship you or dont socialize.. i have many family members who are witness do not bother with me at all; including my mother,, well for her its to a bare minumum we talk... but i was saved from this false religion so maybe others will be too... god bless
I doubt very seriously that they teach the true word of God.
Yahshua never went uninvited to someone's home
Actually, Jesus sent out 70 disciples with specific instructions to go to every village and visit every home uninvited. If the householder was receptive Jesus told them to stay there and accept their hospitality and preach. If the householder was unreceptive Jesus told them to move on and shake the dust off their feet.
As an after thought, Jesus used the metaphor of going to someone's house uninvited as a way of illustrating his interest in people when he stated: "Behold, I stand at the door and knock." Obviously, most people prefer not to be bothered.
I think that most people consider their homes private domain so to speak and that most Jehovah Witnesses (at least the ones that knock on my door) are pushy and have very little concern for my privacy.
If I want a God experience there are many places to go to get it, the fact that I choose not to go to those places should be very telling.
What do you mean when you say they are pushy? Also please explain the privacy part.
But I think I understand from you experience why you made such a decision.
Also may i ask where you are from, because they treat us where i live very nicely.
Pushy\ If I politely tell someone knocking at my door that I am busy or getting ready to go away and they do not take the hint that I do not have the time or inclination to hear their sermon and they keep preaching at me this is pushy.
The privacy part goes back to the pushy part. They choose to cold call at my door if I politely indicate that I am not interested they should politely withdraw rather than invade my privacy further by trying to convince me that they are the answer I did not know I was looking for.
Total and complete annoyance. Many years ago when I lived in a different town, they were at my door constantly and wouldn't go away when I politely declined to listen to their spiel. Then I took a new job and wound up being friends with one of them. At her wedding, I was surreptitiously looking around to see if any of her relatives were people that were at my door when I let the dogs out to chase them away!
I had an aunt who was Jehovahs Witness, I loved her very much, but her beliefs were alot different than mine.
And for that fact different than everyone in her family as well, I think it pushed her kids away, and they were resentful for it.
Her belief was her marriage came first, and kids second. She celebrated their anniversary, yet anything else was not addressed.
Of course Christmas was not celebrated, this was all after she raised her kids to celebrate Christmas and Birthdays, then she now believed not to celebrate any of that.
Her kids felt hurt by this.
She has since passed away of a heart condition. We all loved her very much, and for the most part let her believe what she wanted. But she did seperate herself from her family because of her beliefs.
She never participated in family events stating that they were wrong, No Thanksgiving, No 4th of July BBQ, No Birthdays, No Christmas family gathering, Everyone wanted her there to be with family but she wouldn't do it sighting Jehovahs Witness do not believe in these things.
Yea that one part of their belief that I don't understand. What is wrong what i wrong with celebrating a birthday or Christmas.
I had interesting conversations with many of them, when I first came to faith, they were on my door within a week, which is surprising as I had never seen them before that!
They are genuine, but misguided, and originate from a Mr Russell, who fell out with mainstream doctrines over the concept of hell, so far, so good, hell is a disputed point for many folks... then (like all cults) they started to add things to scripture,and take out the things they disliked, then re interpret things to better suit their concepts.....
Where are they wrong?
Too many scriptural points to list, but basically the fact that you get cut off from everyone if you question or leave their religion.
True believers welcome doubts and dissension, it allows the doubter/dissenter to examine and find the truth for themselves, and if someone leaves your 'body of believers' they should not be shunned or cut off, just keep a welcome for them if they wish to return.
Oh she was always welcomed, we always invited her to everything even though we knew she would not come. She would even show offense that we even invited her, but she was family and we did not want to exclude her.
Jesus did not force His way into people's homes. JWs refuse to listen to your beliefs. I've had them show up at my house at noon on Thanksgiving Day, when we obviously had a houseful of guests. I had a JW friend and co-worker who died at the age of 31, leaving behind a husband and two young children. Her religion would not allow her to receive blood transfusions. I attended her funeral, and it was the strangest funeral I've ever attended. They spoke for perhaps 5 minutes about her, and the other 2 hours were spent telling us why we should all embrace the JW religion. It left a bad taste in my mouth!
We used to have a lot of JW visitors to our home, but I discovered that having two huge barking and snarling Great Danes has put a stop to their housecalls.
Perhaps what I've experienced does not accurately reflect the behavior of all JWs. If that's the case, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. I have respect for other people's beliefs - just don't try to force them on me.
Jesus went from city to city, and village to village, for three years, teaching about god......... How can anyone force there way in to a home. They can only get in if someone invites them, they are not morons;
great danes are my favourite dogs. I would love to meet them.
I don't hate them, and I don't blame them for following the rules that they're taught by the religion. I don't, however, want them showing up at my house!
Honestly.. My neighborhood seems to have a pushpin on their map of the area, or something; because they're roaming around here far more than anywhere else I've lived (or, from what friends, say, more often than they show up at some other people's homes). I sometimes wonder if because the street is a circle and doesn't have much traffic, they just like walking around here. (Or, maybe, they think this quiet little suburban neighborhood needs more saving than other places! )
In the past it's always taken two times of telling them politely, "I don't talk about my faith with anyone." Once isn't enough, so I have to repeat it. Fine. At some point, though, they started being pushy with that little booklet they hand out. I refused, and once someone opened the storm door after I'd closed it and said goodbye and put the booklet in my door. At the point I was ready to kill them!! I mean, I answered the door (nice enough). I was polite twice (also nice enough). I politely said, "Have a day back" or else made some friendly comment about the weather they were walking around in. (Nice again.) That was IT, as far as I was concerned. When that last one crossed the line and threw the booklet behind my front door, after I'd already said, "No thanks" (again polite); I lost it.
Inappropriate as this was, I was seeing red and feeling like I wanted to murder them! I took out my anger on the booklet, and then I crumpled it and pulled and crumbled it as much I possibly could, marched out to the car parked not far from my house, and stuck it under the windshield wipers. They were within earshot at the neighbor's house, so I said in a loudish (but not yelling) voice, "DO NOT LEAVE THESE IN MY DOOR EVER! I DO NOT WANT YOUR CRAP!!"
Well, I don't know if they still come around my neighborhood any more, but they don't come to my house. I don't know... It was that opening the storm door thing that made me lose it.
So, I don't hate them. I even feel bad for them a lot of the times. Still, until they see a sign on my house that says, "I'm interested in hearing about your religion. Come in"... I'm through being polite to them, and they'd better not knock on my door.
A couple of JW encounters that were memorable.
Two young JW's standing in the Darwin heat in 14 piece suits......I felt very sorry for these kids, they were early twenties. and being lectured like schoolchildren to not "mess up" the bus by a JW bus driver in America.
We all told him to get stuffed!
My big memory of JW's is with a tea party I had instead of a birthday for my preschool daughter. She hadn't been in school long, so I didn't feel comfortable having a birthday party (gifts, etc.). Her birthday is right after Christmas. I invited all the little girls in the school. Two were from JW families. One mother started grilling me, "but is it a Christmas party?" I said, "No. It's a tea party." She kept asking, and then she started with, "Will there be a Christmas tree in the house?" "Where?" I don't know how often I said, "It is not a Christmas party. It is a tea party." Finally, I just got so sick of being grilled over an invitation to a four-year-old (that I thought was a NICE thing ), I said (again), "It isn't a Christmas party. Yes. We have a Christmas tree in the house. It is a tea party. If you want to come, come. If you don't, don't." (They didn't come. )
All she had to do was decline the invitation but instead she decided to grill me (and I mean "grill") over and over. So, again, it comes down to that you can't even try to be polite. I mean - really - it was going to be about 10 four-year-old girls eating tea cakes and punch and playing with fake food and dolls.
Many years ago we used to get frequent visits by the JW - if I opened the screen door they would put their foot in the main door so I couldn't close it and talk your ear off.
I finally told one pair of ladies that I was sorry, I belonged to the church of the holy orgy and we were just about to hold services. Say, would they like to attend? Never heard from them again.
"Pushy" is not the term when they won't let you close the door without breaking their foot.
Yes I too enjoy it when they come to my door. I always great them with a hardy
"Oh thank goodness you are here... please come in, I'm sooooo horny!!!'
Then I proceed to offer them a glimpse of my 'watch tower'
Every time they came to my house I would show them in their own bible that what they were preaching that particular day was was not what we would read in their bible.
They left with a confused look on their face never to return.
Agnostic here, and I have to say I enjoy when the JWs stop by for a chat. I discuss my beliefs with them and let them share a little about what they believe in, and in the end they realize that there's no way they are going to convert me because the whole premise of having faith in something because a book tells us to is something that I will never understand. To be honest, it's been quite some time since they've stopped by, so maybe I've been blacklisted as a potential "counter-missionary" trying to turn JWs into non-believers.
I think they are definitely one of the more annoying splinter groups around. The word ‘No’ just doesn’t seem to be in their vocabulary and NO I really don’t need saving.
Now the old dear that rattled her tin under my nose asking for a donation to save Fallen Women... now she got my attention and my money. I gave her a pound and asked her to save a couple for me....
You are very misguided Merlin if you think you will get 2 fallen women for only £1 !!
Jehovas Witnesses are a pain in the proverbial arse...I just do not open the door when they come knocking.
So what is the going rate these days ?
Normally I just sit out in the rain looking pathetic until someone takes pity on me...
i think you are all so brave being unkind to people that actually care enough to volunteer there time to promote bible reading. I have never known a Jehovah's Witness to keep going when it is evident the householder is totally not interested at all, ...... Christmas is a pagan teaching we all know that, it is not even Jesus' bithday
Well its true they have good intentions. I think they just get annoyed or feel 'set back' when they are constantly rejected while they themselves knowing that the end is near try to force a bit to get people into the faith.
But that is my opinion.
it's not annoying when people do not respond........ everyone has choices everyone has the right to say no...... Jehovah's Witnesses literature is free, and the people who knock on your door are volunteers. Maybe some have lacked tact in the past, as they may be newly converted, and anxious to tell others what they have learned. I am convinced they are not out to upset you, or anyone for that matter at all, just to inform, if it is wanted, if not, they should just go on their way.
As in any religion, there are always the ones who set out to `recruit` new followers into the gathering. Some are more proactive, some are more loud and others are quiet about it. Nonetheless, it is the same thought and action that propels the recruitment of new blood.
It does not matter the denomination. I have attended gatherings and have been invited to religious functions in an attempt to `open` my eyes. Each to their own, but the only one rule that should be followed is: respect the other person`s right to say `No`.
This is only a problem if you allow it to be. Afterall, no one says you have to answer the door if there is a knock. It is strictly your choice to answer which is an invitation to listen to the person knocking.
Do you think that the original natives/aboriginals thought of the invading religious sects' recruiters felt the same? Imagine living off the land, having never been in contact with certain diseases and having that world changed because someone has a believe that they are better than you. Review history - North America, South America, Asia, Africa....almost all the continents that were discovered by the Spanish, British and French were colonized and the dominant religion was thrust upon the natives of those lands. I would say, this method was much more invasive than a knock on the door.
Yea ok. It was much different back then, they did pretty much what they wanted. Things are a bit more civilized now so those methods are not possible.
Are they really that much more civilized? I beg to differ. Take a close look at the world around you. Methodology might look different, but it's still invasive and they still do what they want and how they want. There are still stonings happening based on religious beliefs. There are many actions that are carried out in the name of religious belief and sending people out to recruit and prove that their belief is better still exists.
I'm not here to start a debate with you or hijack your thread. Though, I've been know to do that to others. I'm much more of a make peace not war type of person.
I bow my head, and exit this thread. Thanks for a thoughtful topic tonight.
Beth don't worry about it and I am glad to see your view of things.
Thank you. I'm very glad that you have not taken offence. I tend to stay away from the religious threads for that reason.
Nonetheless, I have a very early morning meeting and I must head off to bed.
It's great chatting with you, and I'll catch up with you tomorrow.
Ernesto, did you see the message I left you on the other thread - from last night? I wasn't trying to embarrass you! lol
Maybe I missed that habee. I hit a lot of threads yesterday and my day ends at a different time of course so I do miss the odd post from the USA..
There was this man who despite his disinterest in them, the JWs keep coming back.
So he waited until they sent 2 female JWs to his door and as soon as they knocked on his door he striped naked. Then he opened it and said. "Hello, do you want to come in"
According to the story (BTW the women were two aged ladies) he had never seen two old women run so fast in his life!
He also never saw them again!
Although I'm not thrilled to see them walking around the neighborhood, I don't really even mind that they knock on the door. I'd rather they didn't, but "whatever".... (I've often felt bad for them - walking around in the hot Summer weather with suits on, etc.)
What I mind is when they say who/what they are, and I say (very nicely), "I don't talk about my faith with anyone," they don't just take that for an answer. I don't care what it is - if someone starts talking about the weather and I tell them, "I don't talk about the weather," I expect an, "Oh, OK. Have a nice day".
But, it is aggravating to have someone who believes whatever they believe presume to come "a-preachin'" to me. I don't mean to seem self-righteous, but I know the kind of person I am and have always been. I don't want anyone appointing themselves "guardians of my soul", because I'll take care of my own soul, thanks. I mean - people who believe in Jesus (and that whole thing) talk about how Jesus taught people to be humble. Well, it isn't humble to think you have the right to try to preach to people who aren't in a church or synagogue and who are minding their business in their homes. It's also not humble to presume they're wayward if they don't believe what you do.
if it really upsets you, you could request that they never call again at your home. It will be written down, and everytime they are in your area, they will pass you by, simple as that....... Put it in writing and send it to the nearest kingdom hall, or if as you say they are always around hand it to them. That is probably the best solution for you...........
I never answer my door unless I'm actually expecting somebody to call. This way, I have no problem with the JWs etc..
But in the days when I did open my door to anyone, I found it a complete waste of time talking to a JW about religion; they know all there is to know about it, and there's nothing you can say to change their minds (do they really have minds, I wonder?). So why bother?
Better to just say you're busy, and shut the door. As rude as that may seem, that does seem to be the only kind of language they understand.
You'll never get them off your threshold with politeness.
Well, I can only speak from my experience.
Anyway, I do object to people cold calling to talk to me about religion, no matter who it is.
I have my own spiritual beliefs, which have nothing to do with religion. If I were looking for religion, I'd know where to find it, so I hardly need people coming to my door to tell me, which is nothing unusual.
I understand that the aim of JWs is to spread the word of God in the way Jesus did: Jesus was a teacher, and people came to Him.
you can ask them not to call again, and it will be noted down, Jesus actually went to them...... He spent 3 years preaching all over in different cities, it was his preaching acvtivity that was main cause of his death.
People did seek him out to be cured of illness, as he was able to work miracles, but every account of where people found him, he was somewhere preaching.
I'm sure Jesus did not cold call! Nor pester people.
How stupid it is that JWs still insist on using this method when it's obvious that people don't like it. Why can't they be creative (very God-like) and adopt a new strategy for spreading the word and attracting new members (or whatever you call them)? And one that is less annoying!
maybe this should be addressed, there are times in peoples lives when they are happy to have someone to talk to ....... situations change, and you for your part can put a stop to having Jehovah's Witnesses call simply by following instructions above....... Or next time they call make it clear you want your name and address writing down, with do not call written next to it....... They will not annoy you again for sure.
nobody believes me about this. I tell them all the time, hide behind the couch, they will come back. Just say..."do not come here anymore, put me on your 'do not call list'" and then they write it down and dont come back. Trust me, plenty of Jehovah's Witnesses are well aware of how annoying it is. Does it really make it ok to treat them like less than humans? Stipping naked in front of young women, allowing your dogs to attack without so much as a word of warning? Sure, its annoying to have someone knock on your door Saturday morning, but it works alot better to just say..do not call here again...then any of the many rude nasty things that I have seen happen.
i love you ........ Jehovah's Witnesses are really no threat to anyone. They may be an occasional nuisance, but something that should stir up hatred in people...... how are you doormatnomore, you would know the ups and downs of a few things eh......
Next time they call just ask them what they talked about before Man invented God ? Usually shuts them up !
There was a time, a while back my dogs and I were off rabbit hunting and I answered the door dressed for the occassion and holding a shotgun.... I assume they were J W's but they didn't hang around long enough to ask !
Be wery wery quiet.... I'm hunting Jehovah's Witnesses today...
I wouldn't... They have a hide like a rhinocerus as tough as old boots and inclinded to be on the stringy side if not cooked long enough ! (Apparently) !
i just ask them to read from the bible and read and read and read!
they dont seem to come back any more
They do more than preach.......
And what word of God are you referring to; their words, or God's?
I think that is my main concern and issue with them. By the way, I don't hate them. I strongly disagree with their so called "words."
They base everything they say from the bible and god inspired man to write the bible. So the words are from him.
Thats how I see it.
Favorable. I just cant see what they are doing as wrong.
There intentions are to help people are they not?
of course, but they are so disliked as you said before. Sad really, and i suppose a reflection of society we live in.
Maybe, idk, Or they just annoy people with some of their methods(some of them)
i find a lot of them annoying, and i am one, ha ha ah what is idk
i don't know
O really, lol. Do you do door to door? Annoying how, if I may ask?
i do indeed. Well people are people, whatever their religion, some are really annoying, and some are nice, we all believe the same thing, and we try to get on well together, we are united in lots of things. However we are just people living our lives like everyone else.
I have done door to door ministry all my life, i don't do an awful lot, but would have some share each week. I am a people person, and love people. I feel sorry for people when they are obviously really annoyed that we have knocked on the door, and get away as quickly as possible.
Because i was born into the religion, i suppose i would by now have had good training, and my priority would always be never to upset people, what is the point in doing that.
As a fellow Hubber, I promise not to shoot you, Joy
Perhaps, those people understand that the reason you're knocking on their door has more to do with what you want as opposed to what they want.
Spot on the money!
as i said i was born into this religion. The worst thing about it is others peoples attitude towards us. It is not always easy to be of a religion that people hate, especially when you are a people person, and try to get on with everyone.
My reasons for knocking on someones doors are definately not my own..... I have found in the past many people who have been glad of a discussion, lot's of people who claim to be christian, are full of questions, that they have never had answers. All we try to do is encourage people to look to the bible for answers, we feel they are all there. I would never over stay my welcome, and i hate to hear any of us have offended anyone, really i am.
But Bible is a dead book; if it would be living then it would give responses with reasons, wisdom and arguments.
The Bible does not answer; the Christians have to constantly spoon feed it from their own self. It is a dead book.
And again paar, if they do spoon feed, which I doubt; they don't horse whip for not following, which we all know islam does.
In the interest of truthfulness paar, let's consider that a Christian decides not to be 'spoon fed' as you say. They simply leave the faith.
If a muslim decides they've had enough to eat and chooses to step away from the table, what can they expect? You can read their stories at:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonial … ortadd.htm
Aww - and you said you were scared to tell your husband you have left the faith.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ja … sing-spain
Are we getting it yet?
Actually Mark, he's ok with it. It gives him reason to say no to invitations from his mom. Says he's scared I'll slip up. He actually had me rolling on the floor this morning with an atheist moment of his own. It was hilarious, but the humor was a little too coarse to share.
Leaping well beyond Islamic doctrine that would have you respect and acknowledge the Bible as a holy book worthy of such in the eyes of a believer despite it a holy book of another religion, you declare the Bible a 'dead book' with your previous declaration offering your definition:
"it would be living then it would give responses with reasons, wisdom and arguments."
And, despite the fact that there are verses in the Bible that do not represent it as morally or ethically acceptable, there are other verses that do indeed respond with reason, wisdom and good arguments.
That said, we all can agree there are verses in the Quran and Hadiths that respond with reason, wisdom and good arguments just as there are also verses depicting deplorable moral and ethical behavior.
But, you have failed to acknowledge this and instead take the position of aggression and hostility, exhibiting the very same verses in the Quran and the Bible that portray the morally and ethically challenged behavior we find unacceptable.
Well joy enjoy your ministry!
Maybe some of the others, who might have rushed it abit need some more training.
While I admire the faithfulness of JW, I will never again invite one into my home and discuss Christianity with them.
Several years ago I invited one into my home, which I have never done before. I let him know after a few minutes when he brought up some meaningless topic, that I would only consider talking about who Jesus Christ is. We had a very amicable discussion. I invited him to come back so we could discuss it further. During that week on was on the internet for hours every day researching JW and what they believe regarding who Jesus is. I found dozens of scriptures and arguments and when he came back the next week I was able to lovingly, but firmly, counter his so called knowledge. BTW, this time he brought an elder with him for help. Ha ha, I got a kick out of that. The guy actually never said a word the whole time. Anyway, the original guy kept arguing and he started to get a little heated. I told him I enjoyed talking with him, but I wanted to keep the conversation friendly so maybe we could meet again on another day. AS he left I told him, "God bless you, I'll be praying for you." If looks could kill. To make a long story short, the next time we met he was hostile and started calling me names like heathen, idol worshiper, liar, deceived... I told him for a religious man who claimed to love God, he was behaving very contrary to how the bible teaches us to behave toward others. I told him the bible says we are to be imitators of God. So I said I think our visits are over since you are going to be hostile and beligerent. I then showed him the door. I had hoped to plant some seeds of truth,but failed. I see now that engaging him may have possibly been a mistake. I am not sure, but needless to say, I will not be doing that again.
Peace and Grace to you all,
Wow, that a really strange experience. I've never know them to do such tings, WOW! But I can see why you made your final decision after experiencing this.
Sounds to me like you inviteed him in for a Bible bashing session. I hate these stories because they are completely one sided.
that is a shame, he sounds like a newly converted man, it's easy to use personalities, to completely dismiss the whole concept of their teaching.
I have attended lots of meetings. Some of the speakers are nicer people than others. Some are better speakers. The message is the same, so you cannot dismiss the whole things they talk about because of a personality difference. Also elders are out on the door to door ministry all the time, maybe that elder was assisting this man who was knew. Jehovah's Witnesses, are not aliens from another planet, they are normal people, going about their lives as everyone else does. They walk down the path if you do not want to listen,... The training is on going, and they are not out to upset anyone, that is the last thing on their mind.
Yea, i agree if you experience anything bad with them it would not be intentional.
For two years I lived in a small town at the end of a cul-de-sac surrounded by JW's. Interestingly enough not once did their canvassers come down our street or knock on my door. It was obvious we weren't JW's as our house at Christmas was decorated to the nines. Quite funny actually to have the only decorated house in the street.
My duplex neighbours at the time were devout JW's and they were great friends. We would walk our dogs together all the time. They would take my dogs on extra hikes during the day while I was at work. (This was the kind of place where you don't lock your doors. So they could enter my house any time they liked. hahaha....imagine that!)
My friend would tell me about her big JW conferences where they would rent out hockey arenas etc but she NEVER talked about the religion itself or tried to convert me. Maybe because I am a Buddhist I am beyond saving.
All in all they were one of the nicest couples I've ever met and I'm sorry I lost contact with them when I moved.
**On a really funny side note they even took my dog tubing behind their jet ski on the lake we lived near! Best neighbours EVER!
Nice to hear that you had a good experience with J.W'S. Here is a good example of people just living their lives. Sorry you lost touch with them, they sounded like good neighbours
Nice story, i enjoyed reading it. As Joy said its good to see you had a very positive experience with them!
It was about two years ago, my youngest was 13. Me and the wife were in the back yard and a man and woman showed up at the door. The kid answered and started telling them that his parents were busy etc. Why a woman would say this to a young boy I don't know but she said "have you noticed how people are depressed these days? do you think God is punishing people by making them depressed?" The youngest is something of a character and he bowed his head, put on a sad expression and was whining "Oh yes! how did you know?" I had come in the house and I heard most of this and asked him who he was talking to. He turned around with this wicked grin on his face and said "Friends of Jesus"
I got in front of him and started to explain that we were busy, wrong time and all the usual excuses when the woman said "God loves you" A voice from behind said "Now there's a one way street" They left. I just love that kid.
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I've sat down and talked with the Witnesses. It's a bizarre take on religion. They are, in my opinion, brainwashed. It doesn't matter how many times their 'anointed leaders' lie they have have some excuse why it either wasn't said, or it was misunderstood.
It's sad because they screw their kids up so badly that most of the ones I know have left their congregation but they carry a huge measure of guilt they can't get over. They think they've left 'the truth'. I have to constantly remind it's not truth. It's bull.
So, in my opinion, they are a cult.
I have many Witness friends and they live the stuff they preach, they are uniform in their beliefs not a bunch of mish mosh sects like so many religions are. I'd rather have Them as a neighbor than some 'Christian' who really hates everybody. How do any people out there Know they are not on the right track? what they say makes more sense than some 'mystic' standing on a pulpit trying to make me believe they are the only one having answers. Or some false religion that molests young boys in the name of 'religion' and gets away with it for years. I like Witnesses a lot.
Yes I do. A 'cult' is where you all live in one communal setting, Not living in the world like Witnesses do. Witnesses are probably the Only ones who Ever made sense of the Bible for me. I went to church since a small tot, left church at age 15 knowing the church was just bogus and didn't talk truth. I was an agnostic then made some Witness friends and the Bible made sense then. Not a cult, but a true way of life for those who Really believe.
Sorry, Bobbi, but I disagree. Every religion can be classed as a cult. And they don't have to live in the same community. With a broad brush, even the Free Masons qualify.
A Jehovah's Witness cured me w/ folk medicine, the like of which, a few hundred years ago, would have been called witchcraft. I liked her and appreciated her cure.
Well believe as you wish as from my experience, people do and will believe as they wish. I understand.
One is free to believe with what one is convinced heart and soul; sure JW's have this right also.
I have friends who are Jehovah witnesses however they tend to not always believe in the same thing that is written in the Bible. The other day my friend and I had a discussion about death. She believes that when a person dies there souls go to hell. How can that be? Being a Christian and reading the word it does not say our souls go to hell until resurrected. However I do love her for the person she is and although we may have a difference of opinion, I accept her for who she is and not which church she attends.
When they come to our door just like the mormons I listen because I believe we can give something to each other.
I am very suprise to notice that many people are ignorant about Jehovah Witnesses, and how many do not agree with their teaching and beleives.
Why does everyone say they are pushy?
The message they bring to your door is really urgent, and is because they care about their neighbours and people that they go "door to door".
By doing what they are doing they are following Jesus's example and are also obeying the bible admonition which says:The Word of God has to preach to the entire earth before the end comes.
I dont blame jehova's witnesses for being pushy. I blame the religion for deluding them.
This may be so, but Jesus never knocked on doors. His "urgent" message is still urgent, but the means to deliver that message in not necessarily door knocking.
But then, what the message IS, and what the JW's say it is differs greatly also. Be sure you have the right message, before you start knocking.
But Jesus moved in the localities; and in those times; people were not usually locked in their houses; they enjoyed listening to others frankly. People in those times did appreciate if somebody visited them; even the strangers, and they even entertained them with foods etc, if needed.
I don't think there is any harm in going door to door to meet the people in a courteous way; giving just one bell, waiting for the inhabitants to come or else leaving the message at the door, so that the occupants picks it at their convenience.
Is it against the Law?
just been to read your hubs..... you don't have many do you spend most of your time on forums,,,,,,,
If you are interested in what I post; you may google "paarsurrey" and find all my posts. I enjoy more writing in discussion forums.
I used to know a woman who became a JW. They visited her house one day and a few days after they left she decided to convert. Cool, her decision. She never tried to push her choices on me or my family, so I didn't question her. However, she also had two small children who were suddenly told Mommy wasn't going to celebrate their birthday. Instead she was going to lock herself in her bedroom and not talk them for the whole day because they wanted a party. The father visited me and I had to comfort a crying man who couldn't find a way to explain to his children why Mommy had ignored them on their birthdays.
that is sad, why did she lock herself in the bedroom.... Did she think birhdays were a sin or something.....
As I understand it, JWs don't like celebrating birthdays (or Christmas or Easter), so she didn't want to be a part of the celebrations.
she does not need to lock herself in the bedroom though, and doubt if anyone would.
She could have left the house to go for a walk instead, of course, but the reaction from her children wouldn't really have changed. They wanted her there, celebrating with them.
What is the sanctity of celebrating a birthday? What good does come out of it?
It was her choice; it is her own decision.
what was to stop the dad throwing a party if it was not his belief, it would be better than crying.
It would have made her children happy. That is the good that would have come out of it.
Of course it is her choice and her decision, but as they grew up her children became very distant towards her. I don't think they ever really forgave her for it. In the end it stopped being about celebrations for them: when you're 14 or 15 a party isn't really as important as it is when you're 6, but for them it was the principle of the matter. They saw it as her putting her new religion before their happiness, and they resented her for it.
I think it is wrong to link to a lone incident everything that happened afterwards.
It wasn't a lone incident. It was every birthday, every Christmas, every Easter. Every day that should have been a happy time where the family came together to be with each other had a black cloud hanging over it because of her pointed absence. The youngest child was 5 when this began, and it continued until he left home at 18.
I guess I find a 'deluded America' Not being able to see they are deluded concerning government, but Can see it in a religion quite an Interesting prospect.
Jehovah's Witnesses are family oriented people, and there are deeper things to happiness than celebrating a birthday.
I had a very funny encounter, to me anyway. I was working in my front yard on a beautiful spring morning. Two JW's came walking up my driveway dressed very nice with an armful of booklets. They inquired as to how my day was going on this glorious morning. Very nicely I replied, "I can't really complain on such a beautiful day as this". And then quickly threw in "Praise the Lord". From there on they proceeded to talk 'scripture', how I and those I love can be saved. In no uncertain terms I explained that I was very happy with my 'religion' and was not looking to replace it. They kept talking while I kept working in my yard. When one of them grabbed my arm and insisted on 'introducing me to his God', I yanked away, held up my very pointy garden hoe and yelled, "Sure, if you let me introduce you to mine". They left without another word.
with all due respect, it is more likely to be a Penticostal that would say Praise The Lord, i have never ever heard a JW'S use that expression ever. IF a person is not interested or does not want to speak to us, of course they would leave without a word,
Your arm should not have been grabbed of course, and i personally can honestly say i have never done that, and we are certainly not encouraged to be pushy at all, or forceful......
I think using force by grabbing arm or putting one's foot in the door so that one does not shut it; or ringing bell for more than once is not good.
I have never experienced such a thing from a JW; though I attended their service for a year.
definately not good, what did you think of services
Their services are more focussed on WatchTower Magazine than on Bible.
So you only went on Sunday. In any article of a Watchtower, there are hundreds of quotes from the bible, well maybe not 100's but a lot, it is just a teaching aid.
i have had about 6 e.mails from people from hub pages telling me they are witnesses. maybe is should have kept it to myself, i am tooooo open ha ha aha
Yes, I went only on Sundays; I don't think they gather on other days; at least they did not invite me on other days.
you could have gone mid week too, you do not need an invite, it is a public place walk in..... if you want to that is.
Later they asked me not to come on Sundays even; so there was no point to go on mid week.
The WatchTower magazine does not mention what Jesus did and believed; rather it contains teachings and acts invented by Paul, scribes and the Church.
lol.. Paar you must be the only person in their history to be rejected as a recruit
i cant believe they asked you not to come, and i think you must have a different Watchtower than me.......
Why would they ask you not to come???? I am laughing here, but maybe it is not funny, it's just that everyone has the concept that we are trying to get everyone in our halls so why would they ask you not to come.....
Wow do you think this thread will ever end....
Well this did happen to me; so I mentioned it.
I don't insist you to believe in it.
If you have the latest WatchTower magazine; please take any page which you think contains most verses from the Bible; you may quote the page in full.
No compulsion however; you may do it on your own free will; and only if you are interested.
I am beginning to wonder if you are for are against us are taking the ##### you seem to have so much time on your hands.....
Do you have a Watchtower, why dont you quote it.
It is almost ten years when the JWs forbade me to attend Kingdom Hall.
Since then I have not studied it. I mostly study the root books of the religions.
were you a baptized witness??????
I have never ever known anyone told they cannot attend, you must have been a vandal where you????
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JWs teach WatchTower most of the time; and very little of Bible.
yeah so you keep telling me, shall we finish this thread up then
Is it not a reality?
is what not a reality, i do not know who you are do i.
That JWs teach WatchTower most of the time; and very little of Bible.
not really to be honest. We have a public talk on a Sunday for one hour from bible, then we study the watchtower article, using bible all the time........
We never quote the watchtower only bible. I think you wanna be one dont you own up????????????
They read a passage from the WatchTower; then there are question and answers printed in the magazine; they ask the questions and answers as are given and already printed in the magazine; even if the answers are wrong not according to the Bible.They just produce crammers
hey watch it i have been banned for less, you are bordering in a personal attack, you know how we are not used to being criticised. I still think you should write a book about how you were asked not to go to meetings, it would be a best seller, everyone would copy your approach.
Cramming is learning by heart, as I understand, without understanding its meaning; I did not mean any disrespect.
question for you Joy What could possibly bring more happiness than celebrating the anniversary of the birth of a cherished love one?
A lot more things can bring happiness to be honest. I understand for some it is very difficult for people to understand our stand on this. It is all to do with origin of the celebration of birthdays, it was introduced by pagans. The two accounts in the bible of birthdays are not good., One was the head of John the Baptist was asked for and given.
I was born in to this religion. I can honestly say that i have never regretted the stand my parents took on these things. The most difficult thing is when people go on about it as though your parents are criminals. A lot of people would have loved to have my parents, They were family minded, took us out with them everywhere. Gave us presents regularly, and we did not envy others celebrating birthdays.
Ohh let me make myself clear, I regarded that incident as an individual occurrence.I know one person does not represent a whole class of people. I did not mean to make it sound as if ALL JW's act that way. In every religion you will find your 'nutcases'. I am not looking for a new religion however, I am always interested in learning about others, but depending on how I am approached will turn me off from learning. I have had more bad than good experiences dealing with the unannounced visits to my home by JW's and thus have closed my mind to their ways. So I don't know much about your religion and for that I'm sorry!!
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