Why is it illegal to search for God with hallucinogenics?

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   AKA Winstonposted 14 years ago

   Mankind has used natural hallucinogenics for eons in his quest to find and bond with God, usually cactus peyote buttoms or the psilocybin in mushrooms.  In the modern era, manmade combinations such as LSD and PCP each have followers who swear he met God on high, when high.  Why, I wonder, is it illegal to use these drugs in an effort to meet God?  Is there something the police know about God that we aren't supposed to find out?  Is this a Catholic thing, kind of like the Da Vinci Code?

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      MeGunnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well, maybe because hallucinogens in addition to helping you find God, if there is any truth in that also make you dangerous to yourself and to others. Then, you should wonder why suicide and murder are illegal...

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         AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Wow, who would have thought that a few hours of mild euphoria could be equated to taking a shotgun and blowing off someone's head - this is certainly some deep theology, maybe Scientology?

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         AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, now that I think about it is sounds Jewish....

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      mythbusterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think maybe the dangers of addiction outweigh the possible "God experience" that might be suitable for a small number of people who might seek out illegal drugs for the purpose of getting nearer to God...
      
      I'm pretty sure most people who seek out the effects of the drugs you've mentioned aren't doing so with God in mind and this might be the biggest reason why few people (including authorities/law) would ever suggest "finding God" through LSD, PCP, etc.
      
      In my opinion, there are no authorities preventing or suggesting prevention of drug use for the purpose of blocking peoples' possible relationship with God. This sounds like a minor "conspiracy theory" you've mentioned in the latter part of your post.

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         AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Geez, people, don't you recognize tongue-in-cheek when you read it?

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            alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Whose tongue in whose cheek !!  something going on here I don't know about ? 

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      dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      you can search for God all you wish, depending on the country you live in, but illegal drugs are just that. one is not necessary for the other, however
      
      the affects of both burn up your mind trying to deal in rational truth!   lol

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         AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You mean they lied???  I thought if you expanded your mind it gave your brain more room to store truth.
         
         Damned hippies!

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      trishoolposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "Why would I drink if I could drop legal competitively priced and top quality acid?", thought the executive and big booze and company worldwide inc. "Write a check to governer corpbitch" - and answered.

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I've always wonder this myself.  I think it is crazy that "mushrooms" for an example are illegal, the same with pot.  It is a proven fact that hallucinogens help expand the mind's creativity, and that smoking pot has huge health benefits for some people. 
      
      I'll tell you why its illegal, because of Christian Evangelicals and hypocrites in Washington.  That's why.

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      Anesidoraposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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         AKA Winstonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks.
         
         You seem to be one of the few who "got it".  :-))

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   pylos26posted 14 years ago

   AKA Winston wrote:  Why is it illegal to search for God with hallucinogenics?
   
   Cus...uhh...them mushrooms only grow in cow pies?

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      AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Are you trying to say that the search for God is a bunch of sh#t?

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   alternate poetposted 14 years ago

   It is the point of hallucinogenics to open up parts of the mind in ways out of our control.  The same areas where the god addicts are tapping in to get their euphoric fix.  And just as pointless.  Metaphysical and physical are dependant on one another, or, it is necessary to keep your feet on the ground when flying in your imagination. Drugs and religion do not lend themselves to keeping one foot firmly on (or in) the concrete. 
   
   I am in favour of making both - illegal.

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      AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm guessing Carlos Casteneda is NOT on your nightstand, then.  :-))

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         alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

           I am addicted to exploring everything, trying as much as I can, and Sukie.
         
         Any idea of laying in a daze contemplating my own ordinariness seems counter productive to anything and everything

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         Chasukposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry, but Castaneda shouldn't be on anyone's nightstand.
         
         Put it this way: he deserves on your nightstand only if you value Deepak Chopra or Shirley MaClaine on your nightstand.

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   Cagsilposted 14 years ago

   Why is it illegal to search for god with hallucinogenics?
   
   Hallucinogenics create demented or warped thinking and there are already enough religious thinking people in the world trying to obtain it without the drugs usage.
   
   Therefore, there is no rhyme or reason to give any more people an added incentive to search for something for which is imaginary.

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      AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Naw...I think it's because the cops know that God knows how to beat radar and they don't want anyone else to find out how to beat their speed traps.

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         In that case, then I would say that you need to lay off your supply.

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            AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            He's not my supplier anymore - he knows how to beat radar and I can't catch up to him.

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               Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I didn't mention anything about a supplier. I said you should lay off YOUR supply.

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   In some cultures it's not.
   But if it becomes legal here, watch out
   Regular religionists are hard enough to swallow.
   High test religionists would be trippin!

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hey MM, isn't that the point? You know "trippin".

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      AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If you think religionists are hard to swallow, you ought to try choking down some "shrooms".

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   Those cops are crafty. They'd find a new way to get their quotas. Maybe create a new type of DUI: Divinely Under the Influence

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   Cags,
   I'm trying to follow this through logically.
   If it became legal to search for God with hallucinogens, who would be interested in doing so?
   Would more people find God?
   Would some atheist tip into the believer camp?
   Would missionaries use mushrooms to try to convert the unbelieving?

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      alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Missionaries already do - it is even called mushrooming, or is it grooming -  Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em sh*t   

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well, religion does that regardless.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Bold type within your post.

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      AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Let me answer your points one-by-whatever:
      
      1) Would more people find God? 
      Yes, but then they wouldn't be able to get back to their bodies, and we would have all these Zombified bodies walking around without brains, following the commands of a God that only they hear - kind of like Son of Sam only minus the neighbor's talking dog.
      2) Would some atheist tip into the believer camp.
      No, considering that we are talking LSD and the like, here, they would have to "trip" into that camp. 
      3) Would missionaries use mushrooms to try to convert the unbelieving?
      No, but Catholic priests might use mushroom soup to encourage the choirboys into learning the missionaries' position - on illicit drugs, I mean...

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   Ha ha! Magic mushroom soup -- even the Pope likes it .
   
   Now that I think about it some more, I can't really picture any of the staunch religious folks (at least not the ones who frequent the HP forums) tripping on acid. Expanding their minds is not high on their agenda, I'm afraid.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No truer words were ever said on Hubpages.

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      AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      (Expanding their minds is not high on their agenda, I'm afraid)
      
      So getting high is low on their high-minded agendas?  No wonder they are so confused.

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         alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         This is why they never get out of that kiddie high chair thinking.

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   I do know that a decent dose of MMDA and at least 2 other drugs of this group remove the connection with the fear of death and allows people the courage to look at their fear.
   
   I know of 3 such cases.
   
   A good dose of serotonin allows the brain to make conscious connections with religiosity.
   
   Just in case religionists are allowed to read about these drugs, here is a link.
   http://www.mdma.net/alexander-shulgin/p … ihkal.html

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      incredulous1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thats true and scientific/clinical trials support your statement of fact.Unfortunately,the government tends to sack any one who tries to think outside their legislations(David Nutt for prime minister!).By being so blinkered they are actually denying people a very effective treatment for depression and related symptoms/causes.I have used this medicine myself and it has helped my depression more than any other form of anti-depressant.It does need to be used with respect and caution too,but I actually find two or three small doses a year is all it takes to lift my spirits from the pit of despondency and keep me going.Taking too much isn't necessary and can cause problems-as with most things in life.
        Alcohol is statistically the greatest cause of health problems,agression and countless crimes are committed under it's influence,than any other substance!So how the hell does that remain legal and acceptable?!
      So much bullshit and hypocrisy surrounding this subject and David Nutt should be commended for having the courage to challenge the lies we are being fed by our narrow-minded,controlling governments!

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Wow! Strong words! All of what you have added is self evidently true.
         Glad you had the independence of thought as well as the guts to investigate properly and discover a drug and dosage that works for you.

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    kirstenblogposted 14 years ago

    In my teen partying years I saw god while on 'microdots' (a good form of LSD). She spoke to me and told me everything was OK, that I was where I was supposed to be and on the right track. It was very comforting, and of course God was a Woman

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       AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I don't know if she was God unless the God I saw worked at a downtown all-night restaurant as a waitress, had bright red fish lips, and had skin that breathed.

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    aguasilverposted 14 years ago

    No reason that it's illegal, maybe not advisable as you open up to anything that's out there, but illegal, nah!
    
    I know of one 'fellowship' in Holland that use drugs to get together and focus on God, they seem to function fine.
    
    OK, I'm off, so I'll let you get back to your fun.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I took a half hour to find a pencil to write the meaning of life on a cardboard box once when taking LSD.
    
    I never could work out what the hell I had written though!
    That event sure fired my interest in reading about brain chemistry and god!

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       AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I have some news for you....that wasn't a cardboard box....that was the universe....I don't think you want to know what the pencil was....  :-)

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I even took a photo of that universe I wrote on, but it was very strange and childish scribble.
          
          Not sure about the pencil.

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    gg.zainoposted 14 years ago

    Western theology, born of superstition, would rather have you drink the blood of a savior and eat his body instead... go figure!
    Thanks for the question... personally, i feel, whatever gets you to the top if fine by me as long as it doesn't involve murder or mayhem...like a modern crusade maybe!

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       Susana Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I agree. And it's mushroom season here - hooray!

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    donotfearposted 14 years ago

    Ask Timothy Leary.
    
    (Across the great divide)

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    hanging outposted 13 years ago

    Simple.
    don't need it.
    Complicated
    Bodies are the temple of God.
    
    nuff said

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       AKA Winstonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       But if god is a surrealitstic being wouldn't it be a good idea to try to become as surrealistic as possible in order to see the unseeable?  I mean, how else but with a good dose of a hallucinogenic are you going to see a non-burned, burning bush, have a conversation with your mule, or watch your wife turn into a pillar of salt?
       
       I'm pretty sure those three things take a minimum of peyote to see and hear.

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          wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          And here you answer your own question.  By destroying either the workings of, or the inputs to, the best "computer" that has ever been seen on earth (your own brain) you will not find God or anything else. 
          
          GIGO applies to both mechanical and biological "computers"  Destroy or distort the input and the output becomes garbage.  Destroy or distort the inner connectivity or workings and the output is garbage.  As these two things are what hallucinogenics do, and why they are taken, the only possible result is garbage in, garbage out.
          
          Perhaps you should use that finest of biological machines to it's best advantage, letting it do what it does best, instead of destroying its capabilities with peyote.

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             AKA Winstonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             No, my friend, you are making nothing but a crass assertion of GIGO.  How can you show the surrealistic effects of hallucinogenics do NOT produce a closer relative position of human consciousness to a surrealistic, immaterial spirit?  In the elusive world of surrealism, it may be reality that is GIGO.

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    solarcaptainposted 13 years ago

    For those of you who are uninitiated in mind-bending and other reality inducing hallucinogens, I suggest you read the brilliant works of doctor timothy Leary, late, of Harvard University. Had he not been such a controversial and provocative figure in his day, he might have actually completed his work on clinical depression, without the LSD hoopla, and gained legitimacy for a promising, innovative treatment.
    
    Of course drugs are and continue to be a source of fear and loathing in American society and in other countries (particularly western civilizations, where every year billions more are pumped into a huge, bottom-less pit better known as the so called "war on drugs."
    
    Note that this war protects the pharmaceutical industry which does a great deal of harm every year pushing strange and often harmful "cures" on a public that foots an ever growing bill, to patented drugs that warning labels indicate may cause everything from cancer to schizoid syndrome, and assaultive behavior to picking at the skin.
    
    Before anyone takes the easy, no-nothing anti-intellectual approach and accuses me of being pro-drug and anti-God, (don't the two just go together)?
    
    Had any of you intrepid seekers read any of the books by Carlos Castanega, you might gain some insights into how

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    solarcaptainposted 13 years ago

    My last post was posted before I finished it, so the name is Castaneda, and he searches for and finds a higher reality (God, whether you believe it or not). The scientist that leaps out of bed in the morning, springs to the window and watches the sun rise explains,"I see no God, therefore a God does not exist!" Is not only boring, but can't see the forest for the trees.
    
    All this creation stuff is an accident. Right. May we say, wow, it's unlikely all this came together by chance, perhaps there are an unlimited number of possibilities we haven't explored yet?
    
    when mankind stops pulling together with others, creating new miracles together, and believes less in infinite possibilities and only in the potential of a lonely man in the universe, he is lost.

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