what happens to those who sin in heaven?

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jomineposted 14 years ago
does people in heaven got free will?
then they may sin. then what happen to sinners in heaven?
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  jantamayaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ???
  Probably there are no possibilities to sin.....
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  For once to ascend into heaven , they must rid themselves of Sin,
  
  which means that they are tempted by sin no more.
  
  Understand of truth makes this possible.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Would that include those who don't believe in sins?
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To not believe in sin is the Goal.
  Truth shows the natue of sin which leads to not beliieving in it.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That goal has been attained, quite easily, in fact.
  
  The problem is, I also don't believe in a heaven.
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If truth did not show it to you
  Why then is it a problem.?
  
  We here and see the things that are and the things that are not.
  
  So to argue about what is and isn't is vain.
  
  Now Truth show the nature of all things , so you know which belong where.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It isn't vain at all, it's important to understand what is reality and what is delusion. Mankind has been driven by religious madness for centuries, much of the world is still driven by those myths and superstitions, a path that has only served to deliver the state of the world we now live.
  
  All this for pretending to see things that are not.
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well my friend in that you fulfill your purpose...
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  Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its just a myth.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When abiding in heaven I think the correct paths will be laid out for us in a more clear way, and as we will be given a godly understanding of things we will have every oportunity to reconcile for our misteaks, and will be more apt for recognizing them as they occur. Conciquently we won't be inhibited by such things as pride, jealousy, or anger.
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  jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "I think the correct paths will be laid out for us in a more clear way, and as we will be given a godly understanding of things we will have every oportunity to reconcile for our misteaks, and will be more apt for recognizing them as they occur."
  
  then why not here in earth that everybody can go to heaven??
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now is the time for our trial, to be tested and tried. We learn through experience, our integrity becomes revealed as we go through mortality. In order to become glorified resurected beings we have to obtain a body, live and die, so we can rise again to eternal glory. It is so God can put us where we belong, after he makes his final judgment.
  Think of your existence as a bodyless soul with the ability to theorize what it would be like to experience a sunny day yet you would never truely know what one would be like if you never actually felt what one was like, not only this but you wouldn't know what a rainy day would be like in contrast. We have to know what it is like to have joy, sadness, and everything inbetween.
  And it is all at the risk that we either abide with God or are fooled into a path of darkness, yet our free will is more important than death to us and God.
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  getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  It appears that the bible has already laid out the correct paths for us to take HERE ON EARTH, yet there is still sin.
  
  And what is "godly understanding?" Do you just make stuff up to suit your imagination?
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah just in time. In steps the devil's advocate, (I knew you couldn't resist!) and now the choice is presented to me.... Do I engage in a day long mud slinging session with him despite the fact the final outcome that noone's mind will be changed? Or do I Ignore him? Hmmmmmmmm, what would Jesus do? Think, think think........
  
  Have a nice day!
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  getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  In other words, you have asserted a statement that you can't back up, and then you get angry at the inquirer, and pretend that you are behaving like an imaginary savior--by backing off.
  
  The truth is that your delusion has collapsed, and you are not honest enough to admit it. You choose, instead to become frustrated and angry. I'm sure that is exactly what Jesus would do.
  
  ...Oh, have a nice day.
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  hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In truth there is NO sin in heaven, never was never will be.
  We do not go to heaven.
  we are judged here on earth as per the book of Revelations and we are given spiritual bodies. Remember jesus in his spiritual body said, "have not flesh and blood". Flesh is corruptible and in the spiritual body, fleshly temptation is dissolved away and is not a problem or an issue.
  
  I don't think he said something he cannot back up, he just chose not too. Jesus did not engage in fruitless argument he instructed that at certain times to brush the dust off our feet toward those that have not faith to believe or those that choose not to believe the words preached. Your inference which you insist is truth is just your unfounded opinion that you purport to be truth when in fact, i believe it is a misconception. This is how stubborn people can be and sometimes disciples of jesus do brush dust off their feet.
  
  have a nice day
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What happens if ya sin in heaven ?
  
  What happens if a pit makes it's way into a cherry pie?
  
  What happens if ya get a rock in your shoe?
  
  BUT To answer the question..... No body knows.
  
  In heaven maybe cherries don't have pits.
  There may not be any rocks on the sandy beaches?
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  getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just like no body knows if there is a mythical imaginary place called heaven.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  With all respect that is due.
  Where does a person go to learn everything about unproven phenomena?
  I would like to learn also, everything there is to know about things that I am unaware that even exists.
  
  Thank you for sharing all of this that you know about those things that you do not believe in.
  
  We are all uplifted in your vast knowledge of those things that you say aren't.
  
  I can not express how much you are appreciated.
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  getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Why do you get so angry whenever your delusion collapses? You should pray for guidance and deliverance.
  
  Besides, your delusion collapsed under your own logic, so please ask God to help you to stop being angry at innocent questions.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am no angry at all.
  I just wanted to let you know how much we appreciate everything that you do for us.
  
  You have caused my faith to straighten and grow by leaps and bounds and I can't thank you enough for your contribution.
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  getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Despite the fact that your position has been proven to be absurd. Brilliant!
  
  I'm gonna go watch the Bears and Jets game.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Absurb is in the eyes of the beholder.
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  Titen-Sxullposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not a Christian anymore but when I was I understood it this way: You can't sin in Heaven. Once you get to Heaven you get a new body and a heavenly nature that cannot be corrupted. It would be impossible for you to sin and, as there is no temptation in heaven, the idea wouldn't even occur to you.
  
  As an atheist I realize how boring Heaven sounds. Having fun ALL THE TIME would get old really fast and spending all my time bowing and praising doesn't sound fun either.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with your above words
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  SaiKitposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guess in heaven God will give you a very sound spanking if you sin, but He will still forgive you because the blood of Jesus Christ is still effective in heaven.
  
  Remember how one goes to heaven? This is how he stays in heaven.
  
  However, having the entire heaven and the heavenly hosts to learn that you got a sound, good, almost-never-happen-in-heaven spanking would be quite embarrassing I think.
  
  Then there might be a nickname such as he-who-was-spanked-by-God-Himself, and in heaven everything lasts forever...
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you need a body that will be ready to enjoy heaven. Get saved and you'll learn from Holy Spirit how to behave so you'll maximize your Eternal Life in the Son. Heaven will be a given.
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  vietnamvet68posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  for your information if you read your bible , when you die you do not (DO NOT) go to heaven, you remain in your grave till the ressurrection.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  IF the first resurrection has not happened yet, the world such as we know it will continue for a thousand years continuing to get worse and worse.
  
  I don't see how it can.
  
  I think it already happened; Around the year 900 AD
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you conscious life goes to be with the Lord at death if you are saved.
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  YOUR BODY AT DEATH IF YOU'RE SAVED REMAINS IN THE GRAVE BUT YOUR SOUL AND SPIRIT GO DIRECTLY TO JESUS. AT THE RAPTURE, THE CATCHING AWAY OF SAINT IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET JESUS SOMEDAY: THE RIGHTEOUS DEAD RISE FIRST IN NEW BODIES AND WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN WILL RISE TOO, GET NEW BODIES, HEAVEN, PASS GO, COLLECT TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS!!! :-)
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  zampanoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  What about being a good christian in hell ?
  
  Happy new year.
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  YOU'RE LIFE IN THE SON SHOULD YOU CHOOSE THAT SALVATION WILL BE MADE UP OF UNSEEN UNSHAKEABLE ''STUFF'' MAKING IT TO HEAVEN AHEAD OF YOU, LIKE LOVE JOY AND PEACE AND HEAVENLY TREASURE 'LAID UP FOR THE JUST,' THE BIBLE PUTS IT. IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BRING YOUR GOLD RINGS FORGET ABOUT IT. NOTHING OF A MATERIAL NATURE WILL GET THERE ONLY WHAT IS GIVEN AWAY IN WORSHIP OF GOD IN CHRIST. "TIS' ONE LIFE TWILL SOON BE PAST, ONLY WHAT'S DONE FOR CHRIST WILL LAST." THE VERY ROAD OR ASPHALT IN HEAVEN WILL BE TRANSLUCENT GOLD, SO DON'T BELIEVE YOU'LL BRING YOUR TWO CENTS. YOU'LL KNOW SUFFERING HERE IS ONLY TO PREPARE AND TO MAKE HEAVEN BRIGHTER! SERVING GOD THROUGH CHRIST MAKES IT ALL WORTHWHILE.
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  zampanoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  so, they got internet at the nut house ?!
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  Mercrediposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, there's no free will in heaven. It's also a little known fact that God is an avid bowler. If you go bowling with him make sure to let him win. The consequences for you may be dire if you do not. Amen.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They get sent back to Earth
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  Shahid Bukhariposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sin ... relates our Earthly Existence ... and Ends, with the life on earth ...
  
  Because, In The Lord's Infinite Wisdom ... we are Free to Think, Do and Believe ...as we like ... during our earthly Life.
  Because, such Hath been Ordained, by The Lord ... For in Creation ... we are the Second, of The Lord ... on earth.
  
  The Hereafter ... Heaven and Hell ... are the Names of Justice ... Done... The Hereafter, Is our Just Lord's Domain.
  
  Yes, we have a Free Will ... and our Body, and Mind, in the Hereafter ... For we Shall be Raised, in our Earthly Bodies ...
  
  Yes, we can go bowling ... do and get, anything, if and when, we so desire, in Heaven.
  
  But, those consigned to Hell, will not be so Enabled ... to do, whet they desire.
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  Obscure_Treasuresposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is the reason why you are put on earth temporarily before your real place of eternity in the spiritual world (either Heaven or hell), it is like a training place for you to recognize and choose your free will. If you have exercised your free will to love God and receive Jesus in your heart, the next step is Holy Spirit will come in to transform you from inside out. With the Holy Spirit in you, it is a start of your journey being the child of God, righteous being. You will still always be bestowed with the choice of being a Free being, Free will, you may still make wrong decision but Holy Spirit will guide you out of your situation and put you back on track. In short, Holy Spirit will seal your salvation until you would make it to Heaven.
  
  In heaven, all beings still have the Free Will, Even Angels also have the Free Will to choose. Remember one third of Angels chose to rebel God and being cast down to earth as Fallen Angels.
  
  Yes, we have been created by God with Free will, because God loves you and I as much as like how God loved Adam and gave him freewill to choose to love God. God knows that if Adam was not given any choice but to choose God only, then that will not be love at all. Adam chose to disobey God and ended up giving Satan a chance to reap off Adam from his rights. Since God is holy, He cannot say no to Satan for Adam made a very bad decision. Unable to keep a very simple request by God as a rule to keep Adam on the right path (you see, God made it very simple for Adam - Just don't eat from that particular tree and you will not sin. Simple?), Adam allowed all future human race to be born with sins after sins. But like all loving Father, God quickly devised an ingenious plan and transformed Himself as a man called Jesus. God then died for us after being very badly tortured and humiliated. Unknowing to Satan, since Jesus was not from Adam's blood line but from God Himself, Jesus was never born a sinner. But He was crucified! Hence undoing what Adam did wrong at the Garden of Eden. God suffered in pains so that there may be a way for us to be saved and for God to continue to release His blessings to us. Since Satan, being in spirit form and was an arch angel, continues to criticize people to God in the Heaven, Jesus has become our sole defender in the Heavenly realm. Through worship and by showing respect to God (e.g. praise His name and tithing), Jesus can further defend us in Heaven by grading us with a + or ++ sign so that Satan cannot find any excuse to prevent God from blessing us. God created hell for Satan, and God will do much to prevent backsliders from being tricked by Satan to join his cohorts in hell. Ultimately, you'd get to choose where you want to be.
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exorterposted 14 years ago
every one believes in right and wrong
whether you believe in God or not
even non believers teach their children the difference in right and wrong
sin is something wrong, whether you call it sin or not
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Sophia Angeliqueposted 14 years ago
There is absolutely no possibility of sinning in heaven. Everybody will be good as gold. Perfection will reign. Bliss will be served for breakfast every day.

So don't worry, be happy.
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you don't get there automatic. Get born again.
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Jeff Berndtposted 14 years ago
Was it Mark Twain who wondered why people who hope to go to heaven don't spend more time preparing to live there?
People who expect to go to heaven mostly believe that people of all races (who are also believers!) will go there, but do they hang around with people of other races? For the most part, no.
They imagine that they'll float around playing harps, but do they take harp lessons? Nope.

Bill and Ted managed to sin in heaven in Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey.

"Wow, we've been in Heaven five minutes, and we've already mugged three people."
"Yeah, we better go before we ruin it for everybody."
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
What happens to those who sin in heaven?

The concept of sin is for this world; heaven is a different dimension:

[56:24] Like pearls, well preserved,
[56:25] As a reward for what they did.
[56:26] They will not hear therein any vain or sinful talk,
[56:27] Except only the word of salutation, ‘Peace, peace.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=25
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habeeposted 14 years ago
I belive in an afterlife, but I think God will send me to the farthest corner of Heaven. I'll annoy Him with so many questions, He'll say, "For MY sake, Holle, leavest me alone! I placed a horse in a field just for you, and it's in the South 40. Goest thou now to seek yon equine!" That should keep me occupied for a while. lol
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you go to heaven; you cannot annoy Him with your questions; you will enjoy the bounties of heaven and won't ask any questions:
  
  [76:30] Verily, this is a Reminder. So whoever wishes, may take a way unto his Lord.
  [76:31] And you exercise your will because Allah has so willed. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
  [76:32] He causes whom He pleases to enter His mercy, and for the wrongdoers He has prepared a painful punishment.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=30
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  no question is too difficult for Him.
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C.V.Rajanposted 14 years ago
Let me share what Hindu mythology and beliefs state.

Extraordinary good deeds done on earth = reward of stay in Heaven for a specified period to enjoy the fruits of good deed.

Extraordinary evil deeds done on earth = punishment of stay in Hell for a specified period to suffer the fruits of bad deeds.

Both these will end once the excess karma is evened out and the soul has got to take rebirth in this earth.

If one sins in Heaven, one has to definitely undergo a punishment and this punishment, according to Hindu Mythology is a re-birth in earth (before the stipulated period the enjoyment period in Heaven ends).

Moksha (salvation) is a state to be aimed and attained by every human being and it is a state of birthlessness. It happens when one has no balance of karma or desires to be fulfilled. Thus a stay in heaven is only temporary. Even that enjoyment becomes short lived if one sins in Heaven too.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I like the thought of that.
  
  There are so many ways of phrasing this concept saying something so similar yet sounding so different depending upon the words used.
  
  I like the way you worded it.
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  C.V.Rajanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Jerami!
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  hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  so the battle between being sinless and sinful still goes on in heaven? and if a person does sin in heaven they get to come back to earth. That is so not biblical.
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  C.V.Rajanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hinduism is not biblical!
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  hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No it is not biblical at all.
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  lone77starposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps it is biblical. It happened before. Just read Genesis 2-3.
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hindu founder is deceased. Christ is alive.
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  Kushal101posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't care about your fake belief
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Christ arose. That's my belief.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I must say that the transition from lower case to CAPS and then back to lower case was truly impressive.
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  but what happens at the end? this Moksha?
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Play Free Gamesposted 14 years ago
Sin can not exist in heaven. God being so holy, he can not be in the presence of sin in heaven. That is why he had no choice to throw Lucifer and the fallen angels out of heaven.
Though we are sinners on earth, the blood of Jesus makes us righteous in God's eyes and there is no sin and suffering in heaven.
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  jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  why their is no sin and suffering in heaven?
  will god give us some special knowledge he denied as here so that he can sent someone to hell or will be all his puppets with no free will?
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  the true you will really be colorful there with spice. There is a fact that those in Christ will enter that gates. NO GOOD THING WILL BE DENIED YOU IF YOU"RE BORN AGAIN. READ GOSPEL OF ST. JOHN 3:3; I CORINTHIANS 15:1-7
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LiteWorkzposted 14 years ago
I don't believe in the traditional view of heaven and I don't think that we jump straight from Earth or the physical plane straight to Heaven, it would be too much of a shock, going from Earth where sin is all around us to Heaven where sin is impossible is just too much for our brains to comprehend, we can't imagine how it would work or even be possible.
I believe there are different planes of existence or dimensions between Heaven and Earth, let's say 20 just as an example, each one being a slightly higher vibration than the last. A higher vibration means, in general terms, more love and less sin. Here at level 20 (the Earth) we can't even imagine what Level 1 (Heaven) might be like. Once we reach say Level 10 we would probably have a much better idea and by the time we reach level 2, Heaven would seem much closer and maybe attainable for us.
I think it's a learning curve, as you learn each stage the next stage begins to make more sense. Trying to comprehend Heaven from Earth is like sitting a university exam for Nuclear Physics having never learned anything about it!
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  jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  truly you should be a writer and supplant Stephen Hawking. the dimensions, vibrations and all, great discoveries of the century. wow!!
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  LiteWorkzposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  just my opinion, writing helps me to get my own ideas clearer in my head and hopefully someone will get something from it also.
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  jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well litework, i appreciate that and sorry if i offended you. before thinking of heaven and dimension ,i think ,one should try to comprehend reality and think rationally, otherwise what ever we think will only be imagination and good only in the realm of stories not existence..
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  LiteWorkzposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Jomine. That's a very good point, it's important to be grounded in reality before we start to look at heaven and spiritual concepts or we risk becoming spaced out and being unable to use our ideas in the real world.It's something I have difficulty with myself and I find it very hard to get the right balance because I think it's also dangerous to become too focussed on reality and the rational, and then we run the risk of losing touch with our spiritual side...
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  hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  interesting you said vibration. If vibrations are the core of planes. What is a voice? but mere vibration
  
  Genesis 1:3 And God SAID, Let there be light: and there was light.
  
  to expand on the 'we go to heaven' theory:
  Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW heaven and a NEW earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were PASSED AWAY; and there was no more sea.
  
  Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming DOWN from God OUT of HEAVEN, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
  
  Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is WITH MEN, and he will DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
  
  so the holy city landed on the new earth and God is with men and shall dwell with them there.
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  THERE IS A RESURRECTION OF BOTH THE SAVED AND UNSAVED. SOME DO GET THERE BODIES IF THEY KNEW GOD THROUGH GETTING TO KNOW JESUS AT THE RAPTURE. OR IF THEY DIE FIRST THEY "ABSENT FROM THE BODY GO TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. UNSAVED GO STRAIGHT TO HELL AND ETERNAL TORMENT. THAT BECOMES LAKE OF FIRE. GOD LOVES YOU. BE SAVED BY GETTING A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD NOT A RELIGION. COME TO GOD CONFESSING YOU'RE A SINNER AND ASK TO HAVE THE WORK OF THE CROSS APPLIED TO YOUR HEART AND LIFE. BE BORN AGAIN AND THEREAFTER FOLLOW CHRIST. READ THE NEW TESTAMENT...
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Kushal101posted 14 years ago
They join the ranks of us, Non-Christians and Atheists
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DoubleScorpionposted 14 years ago
Well if the story about Lucifer is correct...then if you sin of any kind in Heaven.. God is gonna kick you out and let you cause havoc on a species on some planet so that "His Will" might be done...
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The story of lucifer and angel turned devil or satan is not correct; the angels always obey; they can't disobey.
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  hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  BEAUTIFUL! on this paarsurrey we totally agree Angels are made to serve God perfectly, always have and always will. To say that God created something flawed, is insulting to God.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Emperor has no clothes.
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  hanging outposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  what does that mean.... in context please
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  Kushal101posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  On really, then God intentionally created Satan that way
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ONE THIRD OF ANGELS FOLLOWED SATAN IN HIS REBELLION. THEY NO LONGER HAVE GOOD OR OBEDIENCE TO GOD ON THEM TO... GOD ALLOWED SATAN THE CHOICE. WHEN HE FAILED TO CHOOSE RIGHT GOD JUDGED HIM AND NOW HE IS ON A LEASH AND WANTS VICTIMS AND NOT TO BE YOUR FRIEND! MANKIND HAS A WILL AND GIFT OF BELIEVING TO GET TO GOD BUT WE MUST COME TO GOD HIS WAY. GOD WANTS ALL MEN TO BE SAVED THROUGH ACCEPTING THE SON """"INSIDE""""""""it's an inside job, to be born again and ready should God call you to ....
  
  THEREFORE GET TO KNOW JESUS CHRIST BEST YOU CAN. GET TO KNOW GOD SUBSEQUENTLY.
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SomewayOuttaHereposted 14 years ago
...well in my slice of heaven, people who get out of hand are asked to leave and pronto.....ship 'em south, i say....i like my slice of heaven....with lots of peace....
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shimmering Dawnposted 14 years ago
You must be kidding 'sin in heaven" sinisoutof there
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davvvvycposted 14 years ago
No sin in Heaven; you need to be reborn to feel the atmosphere there or you will be a wedding guest without a wedding garment. You'll get kicked out to darkness and pain in the eternal fire. Please get saved.
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  Woman Of Courageposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There will be no room for sin in heaven.
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  davvvvycposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  SIN WILL BE FOREIGN TO THAT PLACE.
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  why? is there no free will in heaven?
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mathereseposted 14 years ago
Are there sinners in heaven?
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Jeff Berndtposted 14 years ago
In Heaven there is no beer/
That's why we drink it here/
And when we're gone from here/
Our friends will be drinkin' all the beer....
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SpanStarposted 14 years ago
If your question about sin in Heaven has to do with life today then I can only say from speculation "I'm not really sure but I'm guessing they have some degree of Free Will because Satan was able to get them to rebel against God."

In the New World, The New Universe sin won't exist because he who fostered sin (Satan) will not be allowed in that realm and we will not think as we do today be cause God said he was going to give up a new heart which I take to mean one that doesn't foster greed, hate, and all the other evils we have today."
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
What happens to those who sin in heaven?

The concept of sin is for this world only,it is not relevant to hereafter. Those who want to sin will go to hell. Heaven is a different dimension:

[56:24] Like pearls, well preserved,
[56:25] As a reward for what they did.
[56:26] They will not hear therein any vain or sinful talk,
[56:27] Except only the word of salutation, ‘Peace, peace.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=25
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Joy56posted 13 years ago
what happened in Revelation 12:9
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And the great dragon was cast out (Satan) which deceived the WORLD, was cast out into the earth.
  
  Seems like a translation problem??
  
  Cast out of the world ????
  
  Cast out into the earth.
  
  Sounds like the earth is not part of the world ????
  
  There are infinitely many translation problems, which are compounded with personal interpretations.
  
  Is that what you ere talking about ??
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Joy56posted 13 years ago
it seems the devil was cast out of heaven. Does this mean it's possible for others to be????
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
I personally do not believe that "The Devil" is Gods adversary. simply a tool.

A chunk of Iron would receive the furnace as something evil! When in fact it is simply part of the journey on the way to becoming a stainless steel sword or such.

By understanding the concept of "GOD" & "Devil" we find some comfort on our trip through the furnace on our way to becoming a stainless steel something???

Time for me to go make my journey through a work day.
Be Back later.
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BunuBobuposted 13 years ago
They get sent to rehab:

Mondays - Resident discussion groups
Tuesday - Exercise fun and physical fitness
Wednesday - Arts and crafts programs
Thursdays - Religious services
Friday - Bingo, bridge and/or chess
Saturday - Outdoor activities and more religious services
Sunday - More religious services followed by coffee or cocktails
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thirdmilleniumposted 13 years ago
Sin and Heaven are oxymorons. If you BELIEVE in heaven you would have known that there can not be sin there. If you don't you may ask this and other questions, yes
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
what happens to those who sin in heaven?

One does not sin in heaven:

[56:25] As a reward for what they did.
[56:26] They will not hear therein any vain or sinful talk,
[56:27] Except only the word of salutation, ‘Peace, peace.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=25
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just_curiousposted 13 years ago
I think it is difficult to think about, because we can't imagine anything past this earthly form. I think it was Paul that chastised people for misunderstanding. If I remember, he compared this form to a seed. It bears little resemblance to the full grown plant. Sin won't be an issue. Most sin is due to mortal desires. We'll be spirit or energy. No egos. Not much need for sin in that form.

I could be wrong, as always.
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  Peekaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think you are on to something by what you said in your first sentence;
  
  "I think it is difficult to think about, because we can't imagine anything past this earthly form."
  
  So, the last thought or feeling a person has is their eternity. If they believe in Heaven and believe that they've led the "right" life, then their last thoughts will be entering the pearly gates. If they are a Viking, and lived the Viking code, then they will feel themselves entering Valhalla. Same for Happy Hunting grounds. If a person believes they will be with their loved ones, then they will.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I like that idea.
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  Peekaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I like that idea also. I'm reminded of the end of the movie, Gladiator, when Russel Crowes's character, Maximus Decimus Meridius, dies. He sees his wife and son, who had been killed, across a field of waving grain. He was at peace and that vision and feeling would be his eternity forever.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm going to have to think on that, get my story line down. If that pans out, heaven will be a blast.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I just realized a fatal flaw in this philosophy. What do you think happens to an atheist? They don't believe in anything. Do they just cease to exist, you think? Sounds unfair that they don't get an afterlife too.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You don't get an afterlife, none of us do.
  
  That must make you very angry to have spent all this time worshiping a god that made false promises.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not in the least. My primary belief in the way to worship is enjoying the world we have. I simply think that, perhaps, some atheists waste their days being bitter and angry. It would be nice to think they'd get a chance to change that once they see the light. I'd hate for anyone to stay in the dark forever.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for the insulting and condescending remarks.
  
  No, we are not "bitter and angry." We are simply fed up with you Christians shoving your beliefs down our throats, telling us we're going to burn in hell, telling us their superior moral and ethical values, etc. etc. etc.
  
  No, we are not going to stab a knife into our brains so that they cease working in order to "see the light."
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  manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'll be the first to admit that I truly don't know what happens in the after-life, because for now I am in-life!
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I can see what a cheerful person you are. The happinesss oozes from your post. I think, if I follow this conversation correctly, I was ta lking to someone else. The fact that you came in to it, of your own volition, implies that I was not attempting to shove anything down your throat. It implies the opposite.
  
  I don't believe in' hell', but of course the fact that I'm a christian appears to imply to you that I do. To try and make you see otherwise would be impossible. I fear you would simply call me a liar.
  
  I hope you don't stab yourself in the brain, although sometimes it appears to me that some atheists fantasize about christians doing it.
  
  I would point put that your post was somewhat emotional, but you are bright enough to see that for yourself.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You iz one crazy genius, Einstein. What man knows anything of afterlife...or can say of anything else beyond the known universe!
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Funny how believers keep telling us how much they "knows anything of afterlife" simply because of a book written centuries ago. Were they "beyond the known universe"?
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  manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is it really funny? Why are you adding on a reply to my post in the plural form? Are you several Einstein's in one?
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are a funny guy.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We are Legion, we are one.
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  rocketjsquposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How can you be so sure there is no after life? Have you ever been there?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I haven't been there, have you? Seems that if neither of us have been there, then it isn't something either of us know. Yeah, I get that.
  
  So, if we were to ignore biology, the physical laws of the universe and our own common sense, you might have a point.
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  Peekaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not really a flaw If an atheist really did not believe in an afterlife, then their afterlife would be the "dark". Each person's afterlife would be a personal experience unique to that person and made up of their own beliefs and feelings.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Death may be a "personal experience unique to that person" but the results are the same for everyone, despite their beliefs and feelings on the subject.
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  Peekaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is true for each person that sees the person that just past away. But the last thoughts and feelings that a person had when they passed away is their eternity.
  
  Picture two people moving forward together with respect to time. They see each other and interact with each other. Now lets say that one person dies. The other person continues to move forward in time and sees the deceased person stop living and goes to "dust". The person that died cannot think past their point of death ... the last thought they had is their "eternity".
  
  I heard that as a person dies, their brains release "endorphins"??? which produce "near death" experiences. If a person is not revived, then what they experience at that time is their "eternity"
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, there is nothing to appreciate that eternity!!! Only the living persons thought about the death!
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Possibly, but whatever they experience will soon be over as their body and brains die and can no longer function.
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  Peekaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Uh Uh. The last thought they have is their afterlife and occurs as their brain dies. The person is not aware of anything past their last thought because, for them, time has stopped.
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  For them everything stopped!!
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Or, more precisely, they are dead, hence are aware of nothing.
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  Peekaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, they are aware until they are dead. Once they are dead, they are no longer aware. So the last thought they had is their "eternity" or "afterlife". Another way of thinking about this is that when a person dies, their sense of time progressing (or moving forward) stops. They cannot think past their moment of death. So the last thought is what they experienced at the instant that time stopped for them. And this last thought can be as mind expanding and loaded with memories, smells, feelings, sights, sounds, in any mixture that is special for that person..
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, well I'm voting against it, even though certain atheists (who shall remain unnamed) are somewhat unkind about the whole thing.I still think we should all enjoy whatever is on the other side.
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  Peekaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm thinking of voting for it. For those who would like an afterlife, they will have one. For those who believe in the "dark", they will have that too. For those who would like everyone to have an afterlife, they will see that in their own afterlife.
  In essence, everyone gets what they would like in their OWN afterlife based on their OWN beliefs.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, when you put it that way, I'll vote for it.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
There is no sinning in the heaven and no foul talk:

[56:25] As a reward for what they did.
[56:26] They will not hear therein any vain or sinful talk,
[56:27] Except only the word of salutation, ‘Peace, peace.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=25
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no F@#%$^ way!
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  BunuBobuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you say the words ‘Peace, peace.’ over and over again and really fast it begins to sound like Pi$$
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  Pierre Savoieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's odd that the greetings in different cultures reflect something that people DON'T have. All over Europe they say, "How are you?" because, in the time of plagues, that was a question of crucial importance. Answer wrong and you were not only not spoken to, but an arrow would make its way to your heart.
  In China, the greeting is "Have you eaten?", food being a problem at many times in China's history.
  In the Muslim countries, they wish each other "Peace" but that is the one thing they are not going to get for as long as they are subject to that religion. Only the ones who escape to the West get any peace (and a big backyard and a barbecue to boot!)
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Pierre Savoieposted 13 years ago
The God-story was invented by ignorant shepherds, so it clashes with the modern science-educated products of humanity today, 10 times more educated and 2-3 times as longer-lived and 20 times cleaner. This God didn't do too well in keeping his perfect Creation perfect the first time around, so it'll probably be a law of entropy that something will go wrong in this Heaven too. There is no Biblical indication of what will be different the second time around. Or the humans can be well-behaved but God can go crazy and start killing everybody again. I'd hate to be in Heaven, with this building anticipation, wondering if THIS billion years is the one when God will lop my head off for good, or is it the NEXT billion years....ooh, the tension builds, and Valium-pills for eternal life will be as big as watermelons...
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Beverley Sharpposted 13 years ago
I should think they have a bloody good time.
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revmjmposted 13 years ago
There will be no sin in heaven because there will be no sinners in heaven. Sin is an earthly thing; not a heavenly thing. And besides, heaven is a holy place; a place of peace in the presence of God, so who would want to sin? Finally, there will be no thoughts of sin. That would be erased from our minds and hearts completely.
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why that does not occur in earth?
  
  "in the presence of God"
  Does that mean Mr. god is not here on earth?
  
  "That would be erased from our minds and hearts completely."
  Why that is not done now?
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Pierre Savoieposted 13 years ago
The Burden of Disproof Fallacy is not allowed in science. It is up to people claiming "after-lifes" to provide positive proof in favor. We are not ignorant shepherds any more. Even the greatest philosophers of the ancient world were doing their thinking before we had any good notions on the nature of matter.

After death, your molecules will be chewed upon by maggots and bacteria, and released into the air as carbon dioxide. This may end up in plants, animals or even new people. All of your mass down to the bones will completely disappear, since the process of putrefaction makes you gaseous. If our atoms end up in other life, it would be a farcical sight to see some God with a sick hobby of bodily resurrecting people, pirating atoms from already living people until they resemble a piece of Swiss cheese, and reconstituting a "sinner" only to cast him into Hell. Only, are those really OUR molecules? How do we really know that what this God is resurrecting is really you and me? We can't know. On practical grounds, it makes no sense.

Later on, I'll make a hub explaining the real-world chemical consequences of religious heaven and hell stories, and I'll also explain why people in heaven need to tattoo themselves. "I know the tattoos in heaven."
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  LiteWorkzposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Can you tell me some more about the "tattoos in heaven", I'm intrigued
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akelaposted 13 years ago
.....well i guess you have to be clean before you even think of entering the kingdom, moreover angels also disobey and its a sin, we are likely to judge them too if you read your bible well you will get to know
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
One fact mind.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
There is no sinnig in the heaven; there the people will by judged by the Creator-God mercifully.
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Mercrediposted 13 years ago
People who sin in heaven don't get to hang around with cool people like Kurt Cobain and Colonel Sanders. They only get to associate with boring people and that Chihuahua from the Taco Bell commercial.
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lord danielposted 13 years ago
well i have been to heaven and lived there before,the holy spirit is there and guides our actions read romans 8 u all will understand better ...for the law of the spirit of life in christ jesus has set us free from the law of sin and death.
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thebrucebeatposted 13 years ago
Can you imagine that people are actually discussing this question as if they have insight that is influenced by some sort of validity? People are making adamant stands as if they could possibly answer the question for a God that has made himself deliberately unknowable, and that is easily verifiable in scripture itself!
Amazing.
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  lone77starposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God remains unknowable only to those who do not look.
  
  If you think you've looked and you still have not found Him, then you're looking in the wrong place, or with the wrong attitude.
  
  It takes humility to find the truth. If you think you know before you even attempt to look, you will certainly be disappointed.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
What happens to those who sin in heaven?

They are forced to read the religious crud repeated adnauseum here, like it is news to us all
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Felynxposted 13 years ago
You go to hell of course... and if you do a rightous act in hell you get sent back to heaven, and that leads to complications like an infinite loop and lobotomy.....
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waynetposted 13 years ago
They have an even better time sipping cocktails and spending all the money gambling....it sounds like fun!
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Here is some of that love.

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)

How much more love do you need!
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  lone77starposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like fun, Earnest.
  
  Now, here's an analogy:
  
  If a son of yours was caught in an automobile accident, would you rush off to the car junk yard to attend to the broken automobile? Or would you go to the hospital to see your son (flesh of your flesh)?
  
  God doesn't care about these temporary vehicles called Homo sapiens. They are a very necessary vehicle, but the child of God within (flesh of His flesh) is what is truly important to Him.
  
  Don't blind yourself with the wrong details.
  
  If there were other cars that endangered your children, wouldn't you tell your children to shun them? Wouldn't you attack those cars if they threatened the lives of your children? Wouldn't you want to see their drivers held accountable?
  
  There's plenty of love in the passage you quoted. You're merely looking in the wrong direction.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No love in a psychotic solution. I've seen the analogy before. It was full of holes then too!
  Nor is killing a solution for an omnipotent entity. This is psychosis pure and simple.
  
  "Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)
  
  Why in all that is sane, would a benevolent omni anything god be in need of advocating solutions which any man should understand as the lowest possible moral denominator.
  It's a no-brainer!
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Neither, automobile accidents never happen because people just have to pray to God and their prayers are instantaneously answered in the affirmative.
  
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lone77starposted 13 years ago
Jomine, I apologize for not seeing this forum sooner. Very interesting question.

What happens to those who sin in heaven?

Perhaps we already have our answer in Genesis 2-3.

Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Heaven and got escorted out. But you can't take the stuff too literally. God said Adam would die on the day he ate of the forbidden fruit, but did he literally, physically die? Genesis 5 says he went on to live to the ripe old age of 930.

Big questions: Was the "Adam" of the Garden of Heaven the same "Adam" of Genesis 5? Perhaps yes and no. The Adam in the Garden was spirit. He died spiritually. And could the Adam and Eve represent the spiritual you and me?

In Genesis 5:2 it talks of Adam being "them" and both male and female. Here Adam is the tribe of Homo sapiens -- all of humanity.

And the outrageous longevity of the early patriarchs? Code for the real longevity of the eponymous tribes. Though the ages seem outrageously long, they are actually far too short. Humanity has been around far longer than 6000 years, and Genesis has the clues to resolve this.

So, what happens to those who sin in heaven?

First, we need to ask, what really is heaven? Just as Adam did not die physically, but spiritually, the Garden of Heaven is not a physical place either, but a spiritual one.

Is heaven a state of mind? More likely it is a state of spirit. And the death of Adam was the spiritual death of turning one's back on one's spiritual nature and following the laws of physical reality, instead -- being a cog in the machine (effect) rather than master of the machine (cause).

That "original" sin leads to spiritual blindness and the long sleep of spiritual death.

Getting back to heaven is merely a matter of waking up the spiritual self, forsaking the master of this world, ego.

Well, that's the distillation of my first 60 years of research (this lifetime). If you want a better answer, try back in another 60.
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