Does anybody actually have the power to communicate with their loved ones that passed on? Would you do it if you have the chance to say goodbye one more time?
I can't communicate with them, but I've seen one. I probably could have talked to him. He spoke, but I had no idea at that moment it was a ghost.
Really? How did you feel when you saw him/her? Did you get the jitters? Were you cold? please tell me more about it. I heard people say different things about communicating with the dead.
I didn't feel anything odd. After it became clear what, and who, it was; it was somewhat touching. It was just a soul, I believe making his final rounds before he passed over.
I don't know if anyone "has the power" or not.
Do people have the power to be walking in the woods, trip over a stump, look up, see a squirrel climbing up a tree, and there, right there, is the prettiest night owl ya ever saw; sitting there, just sitting there, .... it just happenes!
But you know how it is. Some people always be tripping.
To the first portion of your question.... numerious times.
To the second half... No. no abilitys involved.... Maybe conditions ? It just happens or it don't.
It happens more often than we even realize.
Our subconcious mind holds onto much truth that our concious mind just ain't equipted to handle.
Brings to mind William Blake. If the doors to perception were cleansed we would see infinity or something like that. It is true what you say. Who can understand infinity beyond its concept?
Maybe I'll try to communicate with my grandfather. He passed on 40 years ago. Who knows, I might turn out to be the next ghost whisperer, or ghost hunter, or maybe ...ghost buster!
I could be wrong, but I think that "Trying" to communicate with the spirit world is kinda like "Trying" to get a butterfly to land on your arm.
Which isn't imposible.
Then; proving that you were sucussful is just as dificult.
Or, more precisely, trying to flap your arms and fly to the moon.
hey beelzedad. See how nice onaolapo was to everyone? Nobody agreed in here and his response to all of us was extremely courteous. We should spearhead the effort to make everybody post that nice.
Thanks for the compliments just_curious. I believe we can all make a difference in this world with our attitude. It's all about the attitude. We always have to watch what comes out of our mouth, our tongue is as sharp as a two edged sword. It can make us and can also break us.
Thanks once more, I really appreciate your contribution.
What does that have to do with me? I am always courteous.
Lately, to some extent, giving a large amount of latitude with this response; I would not be lying if I agreed. Sorry, it is just the guy was so sweet, I wanted him to know someone noticed. Never mind.
Yes, it is ALWAYS a good idea to help people by validating their delusions.
That's nice, but in the same way that some will personally insult someone else, others may be "so sweet" in their responses. These are characteristics outside of any discussion of a topic and are never meant to be included as they are personal issues that have nothing to do with the subject matter.
And since any subject matter discussed is not of a personal nature, then everyone and anyone has complete free reign of their opinions on it, and no one should be offended or pleased of the results and content of the discussion.
The problem usually rears it's ugly head only when those who are unable to distinguish their personal feelings from the subject matter get offended.
At this point, it would appear that onaolapo1 understands this concept, and I applaud him for it.
Wow, beg to disagree. There are rules of conduct that everyone should feel compelled to adhere to. Courtesy being one of them. When people post in a negative manner it prohibits the free exchange of ideas. This is true in any form of dialogue. Whether it be face to face or not.
That's not courteous. We should all either agree, pretend that we do, or keep silent.
Oh, again our problem is the difference of opinion on the meaning of words.
Make you a deal, let's stop posting on this nice man's thread. This is silly. We'll just all regress to our original relationship. Next time we meet, gloves are off. Sound like a plan?
Belief in this sort of nonsense is utterly ridiculous and I will never stop saying that.
Actually jerami, it is not that difficult to get a butterfly to land on your arm, but I wouldn't argue your point.
I agree it is not that difficult' but Ya gotta be in the right place, at the right time and some other stuff gotta be working in your favor, and then , I it wants to it will do it.
But nobody has got the power to make it happen; That I know of.
Yes. You certainly can't will them to do it.
This don't make NO sense to the younger generation; but the best way to get what Ya want is to know when to go with the flow; and when to say NO!
That sounded like the first verse of a poem.
Would anyone like to add a verse?
How about a borrowed verse from Kenny
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
Though yes are best answers, positive states
among oceans of nos, islands of a happyer fates
"could be wrong, but I think that "Trying" to communicate with the spirit world is kinda like "Trying" to get a butterfly to land on your arm.
Which isn't imposible.
Then; proving that you were sucussful is just as dificult."
I pour sugar water on my arm and take a picture of the butterfly landing on it if I want to get a butterfly to land on my arm and prove that I did it.
Will that work on the spirit world, too?
Does anybody actually have the power to communicate with their loved ones that passed on?
To do so, would require the passed on individual to have an actual working body, brain, as this is where the sensory exists, which enables sending-receiving of speech.
Now, some say there is a spiritual communication that exceeds human vocal, which is generally possible. So, in order for an object human (one with body/brain) they would require full spiritual understanding, have that communication perception and able to "speak spirit".
This claim is the basis for many psychics and spiritualists who say they can do so. (and some Pentecostals too, who say they "speak spirit")
On the other side,
Why would a passed-on person return to speak to you?
How would they return?
How would they navigate the materialized world having no mind, brain to direct them?
From your explanation, I actually believe for anybody to claim that they communicated with the dead, he or she must probably be high on something that makes him or her delusional, which in turn will result into hallucinations of some sort, and then the so-called dead to living communication starts.
If you notice, before anybody is committed to the coo-coo house, they always talk about seeing something or hearing something, at that point in time, they tell you they are communicating with the spirits.
Hey penny. I could be wrong, but the only place I know where they talk about it is when Saul went to a psychic to call Samuel back from the dead. Apparently he had run all of the psychics out of town, on penalty of death, so he had to leave his territory to find one.
If the Bible specifically prohibits it, I wouldn't know where it was.
Yes but Mary spoke/saw Jesus after he died and before he ascended to the father?
He wasn't a ghost. He was alive. Flesh and bone.
That was never established because she was not allowed to touch him.
Deuteronomy 18: 11.
And yes you're right that Jesus was alive.
And Jesus is exceptional in any case.
Yes in spirit he was alive. That he was flesh in bone is not known.
James talks about those not walking in the lord on one hand then on the other hand about prophets specifically walking in the name of the lord.
What does that mean? Only those who walk in the lord or no one full stop?
You're exactly right about that. I see it now.
No problem, god condemns lots of things people do every day without even flinching. Just look at the appalling divorce rate amongst Christians. God couldn't possibly condemn so many of them, could he?
Still, with the sour face and comments. Lighten up.
Just to be sure; Are you referring to almighty "God", the creator? or "god" as in idol?
God also condemns the practice of tattooing, eating shrimp, getting divorced (except for adultery), adultery, wearing blended fabrics, cross-dressing, and eating owl.
Ahhhh...the Matriarch has spoken,... next question please.
that gift would be a formidable chance.
But though I desire it most, I fear it.
I don't think it's superstition. I spoke to a couple of people who did not want to comment on my blog after I posted this discussion and I was surprised as to what they had to say. Most people want to keep it secret because people will not believe them if they say it out. I really think sometimes the dead wants to communicate with us. Thanks for your contribution.
I say we talk and listen to the dead all the time and most are quite famous, I'll name a few, Bush, 1 and 2 Osama Bin Laden, ghadafhi, Chavez, Castro, Hitler, I guess I can go on and take up the whole forum with the living dead that have been amongst us. The List Goes on til eternity.
I think that would be great.
I have tried some times, but after a while I get scared.
I start to scream and then, my woman awakes me up.After that I can't sleep any longer because I wonder why it scares me so much to be among my loved ones in a... dream (?)
If you survey a large number of people and ask if they've ever had a psychic experience, many will say their one and only such experience was a communication from the dead. Usually, this takes the form of knowing that Mom or Dad or Aunt Edna or whoever is about to pass or has just passed, or having that loved one come and say goodbye one last time. Although it's not much talked about, it's astonishingly common.
if one could communicate . why would they say goodbye. id say hello
Harry Houdini spend a good number of years exposing those who claim such abilities as fakes.
Dead people are dead. They don't exist any more. Not as ghosts, not as spirits, not at all.
I don't know about that the dead staying dead. I have met with people who actually saw their loved one come back, and they had proof.
I absolutely agree.Anyone who doubts it should dig up a dead guy and have a conversation with him[while holding your nose of course]to see what he has to say.The ego[which is what we are aware of consciously]ends upon death.That's what we call"Us".If anything else goes on"us" will not be aware of it because"us"will be D-E-A-D!If a person doubts it look up the word"Unconscious"and that will explain it.
Nice hair...does your wife do it for you?
Sorry I did not respond quickly. I was out for a while. Thanks to your contribution. I think I see it from your own perspective, although it's hard to understand why people would make things up, about the dead but, all the same, I am very happy you see it from a different angle. If I can, I'll wake my grandma up to say the final goodbye to her. I was out of the country when she passed, so it would have been awesome if everybody can communicate with their dead.
And about my hair; I got it done at HeadMasters in New York.
Beliefs about the afterlife are personal to the individual, and we have all had different experiences. So while I respect the fact that you believe that dead is dead, you cannot really expect to impose your beliefs on others and for everyone to suddenly agree with you.
Who told you God condemns that practice ?
It's mostly his way of communication
when Saul went to a psychic to call Samuel back from the dead. Apparently he had run all of the psychics out of town, on penalty of death, so he had to leave his territory to find one.
If the Bible specifically prohibits it, I wouldn't know where it was.
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And if Ya remembr ? Saul said; "why did you wake me UP ?"
This was 1050ish , before the crusifixion, before the first resurection!
It is written that when King David died that he slept with his fathers.
I'm kinda thinking that when a medium "Wakes" Ya up, you might be awake for the dutation?; until the resurection ????
That just might be why it was wrong for the mediums to perfort that practice ???
BUT , as most people on these forums know, I think that this has already happened.
And those that were awakened are already where they are supposed to be.
And , If talking to me/you is where they are suposed to be ?? That is a good/God thing.
By the way, I wasn't ignoring anyone, I put in a 12 hour day today. Painting.
I do that a lot.
Every gambler knows
That the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser
And the best that you can hope for
Is to die in your sleep"
I was very close to my grandmother. She was someone who had had what might be termed psychic experiences in her life. She saw spirits, and could make preditions, which came true. She had had a near-death experience when she was young, and I believe this was connected to the other experiences she had had.
When she was dying from cancer, so sure that there was an afterlife was she, that she promised that she would visit me after her death and make some sort of contact with me. She died in 1984, and I am still waiting for that contact. I have stood by her grave over the years and asked her to pay a visit to me. She never does. Personally, I believe that death is the end, but I am always willing to be proven wrong.
And if some dark night you imagine that she has contacted you, are you ready to instantly shred all common sense and believe in that nonsense?
No, not at night. I did once have a ghostly encounter in the early hours of the morning, which seemed so real. However, I have not taken this to mean that it really happened, as I know that such experiences are a product of the mind.
If however, my nan walked into my room in daylight, with several people there to witness it, then of course I would be more than ready to shred all common sense in favour of the evidence of my own eyes. However, I realise that such experiences only happen in the films, not in reality.
I had a hard enough time communicating with my deceased relatives before they died. I'm not going to try to talk to them now that I can finish a sentence without being interrupted.
Basically there is barrier between the physical world and the
spiritual world and most cannot bridge that gap but a very few
are able too do this!
The barrier is as big as you imagine it and as small or non-existing as you see it. From my own perspective, I think we are closer to the dead more than we think. Basically ... their is no gap
communicating with the dead is a violation of Energy use. God is Energy; Everything is Energy. we need to choose wisely how we use our God given gift of Energy.
Instead of communicating with the dead, they need to be prayed for. The important thing to do is ask the Archangels to go to that soul that died and guide them to where they belong. The soul is the important aspect of someone, guiding that soul is the job of the Archangels.
The dead are dead.
Who you communicating with is the Satan or his angels masquerading as the one you think you are talking to.
Hello, this is the ghost of Karl Marx. I'd just like to say that me and Freddie Engels were hammered in a pub in Manchester when we wrote that stuff about communism. It was just a joke to wind up a friend. I hope nobody's taken it seriously? Out.
Communicating with the dead?
What benefit has accrued from communicating with the dead? It is just superstition.
onaolapo1, I can't speak for anyone else's experiences, but my mother talked to spirits her whole life. It started when she was just a child. She was raised by her grandmother who was very religious and thought she was possessed. There were others who thought she might be mentally ill. I have no idea which she was as she passed away before I was old enough to figure any of it out. But, I can remember several times when she told me someone had passed on before anybody had told her about it, and she seemed to have a sense about certain things and would often tell me about them before they happened. My youngest daughter now seems to have very similar abilities.
What benefit accrue from this superstition, if any, please?
I can't imagine any benefit. Why would anyone want to talk to the dead? I should think it would be a horrible burden.
How about, "Hey great, great grandpa - where did you bury those gold doubloons?" That might be beneficial.
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