Seriously - what evidence supports this claim?
I can read the Bible. Your god seems petty, cruel and tyrannical. In fact, he sounds exactly like some very human king. I see nothing admirable, which (from my atheist perspective) is quite expected, because the tales were written in a far more brutish time but far less civilized people.
For the purpose of this thread, I'm going to pretend your god exists. Convince me he is not the lowly worm the Bible depicts.
He is not my God, but my lack of knowledge has led me to believe the Old Testament God is an A**hole but the New Testament God seemed okay.
I need that explained better.
Is it that the god changed its mind or that the book was incorrect?
Neither of those seems to be anything that should inspire much confidence, so there must be some other rationale.
I'd say the latter, and it only highlights that the book was invented by mere mortals, not some divine being (that is supposed to be the same forever)
A lot of people calm down after they have kids...
So the people who wrote the first part got it wrong?
Whether they got it wrong or not, we might never know. What God is or is not or did or did not, is subject to mans perceptions. The bible has distinct flavors of culture, personality and personal preferences that are not hard to detect when reading some of its passages.
So you don't know if they got it right?
Why wouldn't that same reasoning apply to the second part?
By the way, should you even be answering this? Are you a Christian? I don't remember, sorry.
He created people who look like this...
'nuff said.. Amen!
Too much makeup? You know if she came to your doorstep and said "Do what you want with me" you would take that. Haha.
"You know if she came to your doorstep and said "Do what you want with me" you would take that."
If "what you want" means she can help me build good quality to-scale miniatures for the stop-motion project I'm working on, then yeah. Otherwise, no thanks. I'm in love with my wife.
Considering we are in and of God why does that surprise you?
So you admit the god-thing is petty and brutish?
Why admire such a thing?
Who admires in the way you describe. I think you might have missed "in and of". The expressions if you like vary in nature, not all people are petty and brutish. Look at the world at large. Not all people are good, not all people are bad.
@pcunix well isn't HE great?. What kind of question is this?..now god to take care of his recreation activities made humans...he also made satan..now he allows satan to play around with humans and the outcome of this play is that he punishes humans who play with satan!!!!!!!!!!!...also in return of his getting rid of being lonely in planet , he wants those whom he created pray ,praise him or else he again punishes...isn't that great?
Once I actually told my mom that if you take the Bible as a whole, like she kept telling me I had to in order for it to make sense, God sounds like a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum, or maybe a person with a personality disorder...
whoa... that wasn't really the best thing to say to her...
God truly is great. he not only created man in the best form but also taught him the god from bad. this life the creations are so wonderful that sometimes you are struck with wonder...pondering over the greatness of God.
we believe Allah is there ..........the proof being that no one could ever prove the Qur'an wrong. this is the greatest miracle of Allah.
You do realize this argument works for the Flying Spaghetti Monster, The Tooth Fairy and the Star Goat?
Anyway - we have proven Allah does not exist. You must be very angry now that women do not need to hide their bodies to prevent you from raping them.
of course i am not angry mark. anger only brings ego. i accept and expect the truth. neways i have no grudges but where was it proven? was there another forum?? i am new to forums so let me know.
The Truth is that you cannot prove the Star Goat did not vomit the Universe - therefore that is truth and Allah does not exist. Yes - it was proven in another forum thread in any case.
Glad you are not angry that your god has been proven not to exist. Good for you.
i believe in Allah with all my life. any way mark in case you want any help about my Allah you can definitely ask me.
but i tell you 'there is none worthy to be worshiped except Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.'
to accept, reject or ridicule is your wish.
even if u ridicule i will NEVER ridicule your god(if any) as thats what my religion asks me to do." to spread peace"
Well PC. I guess we are going to have to figure out which god the christians are calling great...There are at least four that I know that they "worship" is some form or another...God (the father) Jesus (the son) Holy Spirit (the Mother...The Hebrew word for this term is feminine)And then of course you have Lucifer/Satan or whatever name you wanna call him...And I know I am going to get lots of flack about this one...But Other than Jesus, Satan is the only one given a name...he also has a Title and it is the Prince of Light, or the Prince and power of Air, He is also in charge of all of the negative things in life...So as long as we have people who sin..we have people who are worshiping and honoring Satan... Can't have a "good" god unless you have a "bad" god...And if you commit any sins then you are giving tribute to the "bad" god...
Yeah your right...Guess we are never gonna know why "god" is so great...
But to actually answer your OP...I can't...from what I have read and studied and been taught...It seems to me that he has actually caused more harm than good...or at least stood by and did nothing while it happened...but of course...that would be to Gods plan right???
So that's the deal? He says he has a plan and therefore anything he does is just part of the plan?
Is that the whole of it?
So they tell me...But something my mother taught me a long time ago was..."god" helps those who help themselves...So pretty much.. Man does it... not "god"...So I would have to say that if anyone is great...It would be those of us who have made a impact on life...
He who doesn't help himself is nothing but a failure. No god required.
Just a thought.
No! God does not help those who help themselves. He rather help those who cannot help themselves. He does this by showing them love and mercy.
BUT TO ALL, HE IS OUR PROTECTOR WEAPON AND HEALER.
Why so different from Old to New?
Ok, I'll bite... If you think he helps those who can't help themselves... then please explain the starving folks, kids with cancer or other bad Diseases...Why is the baby hooked on crack because his/her mommy was the "bad" person...In the bible God made water come from a rock...blankets of birds, and Manna straight from heaven to feed the "rich in gold and silver" Israelites. Why did he kill a bunch of people just so the Israelites could have the land they was on... wasn't the land noboby owned good enough...maybe there was a population problem and real estate was hard to come by...Please do explain to me how "god" is helping those less fortunate, much less the ones who can't even help themselves
And one last thought... You can be loved and shown mercy all day long...but at the end of the day...nothing gets done and you are still hungry or poor or sick...
That seems to be the trouble. When we are waiting for something outside oneself.
Interesting that you say that. Satan according to the search you suggested in another thread, as read in the article was the way in which man could become equal with Gods. I understood this to mean, the function was to help cleanse the doors of perception to see wholeness or oneness with that which we are. It has been highly misunderstood the concept of Satan. Brings to mind the story of the two wolves and which one you feed.
Got to love those wise old American Indian Medicine Men...There are lots of theories behind who or what satan actually is...there has been a form of the "evil serpent satan" in lots of cultures...There is an old Icelandic belief that has a evil snake that surrounded the world. And a Wolf as well...Both were children Of Loki.
I suggested that version on purpose....As they all claim to only worship One "god" in a "triple form"
The obe wgo they refer to as God is the one who author and perpetuates all existence.
and he has done it un such a way that it is perfect and never ending.... this is why ot is referred to as Life.
for those who understand him and his way, they would always see him as great because they also see the same things within themselves.
But his actions seem small and petty, do they not? I see no signs of greatness, only assertions of such by others.
my friend you will only see what you believe you can see...
The eyes does not have the capacity to show god in all his fullness.
and because you are depending and maybe expecting another to show you then your lack of vision is inevitable.
You begin to know when you begin to believe the things that proceed from yourself... start there and the eyes that sees God will develop...
I guess you did not read it at all.... what are you expecting...
some babies cry and are fed and are satisfied....
other cry and are also fed but these are never satisfied and keep on crying..... what do these get?
I think first you need to define what "great" means to you.
"relatively large in size or number or extent"
Well the Earth is pretty darned big, and if we're assuming for the sake of this argument that he exists, etc, then that would be pretty great, huh?
"of major significance or importance"
Well, we're all standing here, eh? That's important, I guess.
"remarkable or out of the ordinary in degree or magnitude or effect"
Can you set a bush on fire and then talk out of it? Certainly don't see that every day.
Like I said, not My God, but I think there is a lot of clarity needed in your prompt.
All definitions from http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
In the context of gods, it's meaningless to me, but it did seem to imply someone a bit less petty than the thing in the Bible.
I just feel like I could have done much better than he did.
Not ur God? than whose God? do u know how u were created, forms in your mothers worm? He is our God, not 4 one person.
For the sake of argument, even if I was created by the aforementioned God, I do not worship that God.
Then I'd consider a switch. Hinduism is the best. Monkey gods rock. And I get to be reincarnated as something afterwards.
But as a human, presumably. Do you not think it'd be a laugh to try out being something else? I mean, have you ever seen how cool a squirrel is? Or an otter?
PCUNIX, this is so sad. You posted this on Valentine's Day. Why would we want to argue the Love of God on a day like this? This is very odd.
Love doesn't come from a god. It comes from self. WOW!
It goes to show people don't understand themselves much less anything else.
Tell us what the Bible says about your god.
I want to know what words cause you to admire this creature.
Are you talking to me? This computer doesn't do a thing when I click on 'this'
I said that the words I read in your Bible tell me your god is a petty, cruel and british creature. I am more tolerant, moral and understanding than he is. I obviously have more wisdom.
Why do you insist this thing is "great"?
What thing? I'm not following you. You referenced a creature, now a thing. Are we off topic?
Your god-thing. You are being deliberately evasive. Are you stalling for time?
I am not being evasive. I am trying to ensure that we are talking about the same thing. What is a god-thing. I don't know this term.
Games, games, games.
I'm no longer interested in your answer.
My brother, TRUE LOVE IS 4RM GOD, NOT 4RM ANY HUMAN.
FOR GOD SO LOVE THE WORLD SO MUCH THAT, HE GAVE HIS "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON", and who so ever believe in Him, will not perish but, hve everlasting life. MAY UR SINS BE 4GVEN. Amen.
Could you stop the texting format?
BTW, your posts are absurd.
"god" loves the world...doesn't say anything about him sharing and letting us use part of that love....
Oh my gosh. That is so sad. It isn't a religious holiday. Didn't Hallmark invent it? Is atheism an offshoot of the Jehovah Witness sect? I am so confused.
I get up early every day. When my wife gets up, I rise from whatever I am doing, walk to her and hug her gently. We kiss and we say good morning. I tell her that I love her and am happy to see her and believe me, I am.
We flirt with each other all day long. When we are apart, we call just to say that we miss the other.
Before we go to sleep, we hug and kiss again and once again say that we love each other.
We've been doing this for almost forty four years now.
Tell me why I need a special day?
Well, that is just the sweetest story I think I've read that you've posted. Is that true? It certainly doesn't sound like the PCUNiX i've come to know.
Yes, it's true.
Why would I say it if it were not?
I'm not saying we never fight or that we are never cross or angry. But we start each day in love and end each day in the same state.
You said forty years. Is that with the same woman? Really?
Forty four years on July 11th.
Yes, same woman. A little older, though.
I'm sorry. I will need some proof. Preferably a picture, with her maybe, I don't know, holding a poster that says "Yes, I've been married to PCUNIX for forty years". It doesn't have to say happily, but I will need a clear shot of the background to ensure that she is not being coerced.
You can find pictures of her on some of my hubs. "Queen of Returns" has a nice picture.
You want me to scan in our marriage license?
Believe me, you would not like her. She HATES religious people. I mean absolutely venomous. It comes from being raised Catholic. Compared to her, I'm downright sweet to you.
Sorry, that is not proof. I would need to actually see her with the her birth certificate, by the marriage license. Prove you're actually married and I will explain God. I need to know you are on the level with this thread.
If you don't believe I'm married, then there is even less reason to ask me about Valentines day.
UMMM, I know you don't celebrate the thing, but it's mostly single people that expect lots of stuff. Married people, religious or not, I believe are probably of a similar mindset to you.
It isn't that I don't believe you. I'm pretty trusting. But you are constantly harping about proof; I think I have the right to doubt this statement. It should be pretty simple. She is flesh and blood isn't she? She isn't an imaginary friend?
Still stalling...for God's sake answer the question already!
He can't. He always waits to see what other theists say. He's not confident enough to express an independent opinion.
This thread was started for the express purpose to belittle any comments on the nature of God. I believe, it is only fair that we all have fun. PCUNIX is having a blast. I don't know if you know how to have fun, so I'm not sure how beneficial this is for you.
No, it wasn't. It's a genuine question: I want to know how you reconcile the two gods.
Obviously I know the real truth (one religion bled into another) but I want to know how you put the nasty, petty little pissant god out of your mind.
I suggested two possibilities: the book is wrong or the god changed his mind and decided to play nice.
I'm sure you don't like either of those. So what is it?
I bet you don't know. You don't ever think about this stuff, do you? Yu just swallow it and believe what you were told to believe.
No, this thread was not started for the express purpose to belittle any comments on the nature of God! PCUNIX, simply asked a straightforward question.
Now you are so traumatized that the answer will implode the foundation of your delusional beliefs, that you have chosen to do a pathetic dance, and create strawman arguments...and try to use flippant comments, trying to imply that this is all a joke, etc. just because you can't be honest, and you know it.
I don't think it's that.
He's done this constantly. He's afraid to express an opinion until he sees a good consensus form.
He should take Penney as an example. She's not afraid to speak her mind or to stand up for herself.
Aw, getitrite. You're not celebrating Valentine's Day either? I think that says something about the three of us. Not good, I don't think. I'm not stalling. I am waiting for proof.
No. You are hoping somebody smarter than you gives a good answer.
It is very simple: How do you reconcile the God of the Old Testament with the God of the New Testament...being that the God of the OT was a psychopathic, bloodthirsty, nasty, spoiled, bully?
What proof are you talking about? Just ANSWER the question. You should answer the question in your next post, or you pretty much are admitting that your beliefs are based on nonsense.
Actually Penny, not everyone's perceptions evolve, simply due to chosen ignorance.
OK, you said that.
So the OT guys got it wrong.
Why do you think the NT guys got it right?
Wow. My hotspot is TERRIBLE. It took a while to get back to this. Answer the question? HMMM, since I have never gotten a satisfactory response when I have asked anyone to prove there is no God, I'm not so sure why you are asking if there is one. It seems to me, if you can't prove there isn't one then there definitely is one.
It has to be one or the other. Don't you think?
Again, you're avoiding the main question in the OP.
No, I think I answered it in a subsequent post.
Actually, you make no mention in your entire subsequent post that explains WHY? YOU think God is Great. But, thank you for your response to my post.
No, you have not. You dodge and weave, you never answer. You SAY things, but they evade the question.
I proved to you that your god can't exist. Have you forgotten that already?
Oh, I'm sorry, you weren't asking if there was a God. You want reconciliation. I've already answered this question several times in other threads. I hate to repeat myself BUT....
The Old Testament is a history to show us that Man, no matter how detailed the law, no matter how often the Divine intervention, was not able to reconcile himself with God through the law. The God of the Old Testament was the God that man deserved. They were horrible, evil, bloodthirsty and pretty much any other descriptive you could use.
Outside of the Bible, you know the history of the world. It's pretty bloody.
Once civilization had evolved to the point that it could understand, God came down to walk among us.
Jesus came to fulfill the law. His presence showed us the reason for the law. Love.
Love God, Love your neighbor and all the laws will be fulfilled.
There is no reconciliation between the Old and New Testament. It isn't possible. The God of the Old Testament was the God of a different world. The New Testament shows us the world as we should try to make it. Love God, Love your neighbor.
Seems pretty simple. Not sure why you couldn't figure that out on your own.
As much as I hesitate to ask, why didn't you come back with something when I gave you this answer?
Tired, I guess.
I honestly didn't see that as an answer the first time I read it. But it is, and even though it is a false answer from my POV, it's an excellent answer for a theist.
I could pick minor fault (people weren't really any different, as history shows), but if you have the god delusion, this is a sensible rationalization of the marked change in personality.
I award you the prize: best answer by a theist.
I've also started a new thread with another question. Maybe you can win twice.
I'll check it out out this afternoon. Thanks. Whether you realize it or not, I appreciate the hole punching. I do like to think about my beliefs. The fact that you were somewhat complimentary here makes me trust your comments a little more now.
Sheesh. I gave you the first place. I didn't even wait to see if anyone might do better; your answer impressed me enough to cut off the contest right here and now.
Yes, but I said somewhat, because I'm a theist. Crazy crazy to you.
Naw, not crazy crazy. Oh, sure, some definitely are, but most theists are as sane as anyone else. You don't believe you can blindly walk across an Interstate at night with a god's help or jump out of airplanes without parachutes. You just have a mild little self delusion that makes you happy. Lots of us have little things like that.
for alot of people out there their god ideas change their lives for the better . it helps them kick drugs. quells their hate and violence. restores their self esteem and gives them purpose. It gives them a glimmer of hope in a world dark from human nature.
why would someone be so bent on taking that away from them ?
I gave you 6 reasons why to your question.
i ask of only one to mine.
I've been ignoring you because most of what you say isn't worth replying to.
I'm replying to this only because you have made a false assumption: I'm not trying to destroy anyone's belief and would be quite surprised if I did.
I am unlikely to respond to any other post of yours.
Actually Just... it is a Christian Holiday...well was......adapted from the roman pagan beliefs of course...do a search on the history...Named for a St. Valentine
I knew that. I'm just having some fun with him. He obviously posted this thread to have some fun with people like me. I just thought we should both be laughing.
No, actually, this wasn't for fun. It's a serious question. As I said, New Testament, not such an ugly guy. Old Testament - really ugly.
I asked if it is that the god changed or the book was wrong. I know the true answer, but that's not my purpose here. I want to know how you reconcile it.
I think he posted this thread because he was politely asked to leave a different thread and start a new one with his question.
In point of fact, yes.
However, I'm sure you meant that sarcastically, so let me hasten to assure you that I am not one who values genius much. It is seldom useful and in fact is apt to interfere with the things in life that actually are important.
Now please go ahead and have your fun.
God is great because on the first day he created the heaven and the earth; without any light!
Later that week he created squirrels. And squirrels are mint.
God said let there be light, and there was plentiful light, until his first monthly utility bill arrived, then there was less light !
He missed us, we don't have squirrels on my little island !
Let me add to that - if you had only the second book, I might feel differently. But that first book depicts an ugly, very human like creature. Explain that.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Doesn't help. Read the question again.
I'm a better person than the god of the old testament. Why is he "great"?
The question was read by me. The answer I gave above. It is up to you to accept it or not. Your problem, not mine.
"......................He made heaven and earth......
underwhelming response to the OP. Maybe the believers don't really thing god is great?
As for having a god-man brutally murdered so that animals didn't have to be killed to satisfy god's need for blood, I don't see what's so great about that - the whole blood-thirsty god is weird in the first place
I don't think it is that any theist doesn't think that God is great. They might have been more open had the thread been posted by someone else. Pcunix has a bit of a reputation for dashing kind thoughts on the subject.
well concept of god is really great...it has kept humans captive since humans began their journey...who so ever started this ,might not be aware of power of the concept...
In my opinion, I think being agnostic is the best way to view things. Most of my family are Christians/protestants. However, it seems that some major religious groups talk down upon other religions.
For example: "Some" Christians will tell an Atheist that there going to go to hell because they don't believe in god or don't "fully believe in the bible" etc...
I consider myself open minded, but do not want to commit myself to believing in ONLY ONE religion. It just does not seem right. How can we continue to pass on knowledge of past events without getting something wrong? Somewhere along the line, someone had to lye or misinterpret information, unintended or not....
I respect all religions, but do not think I will believe in 100% to anything...
I go more towards Christianity, but acknowledge that other religions could be right, or ALL religions are wrong, or perhaps were misinterpreted somewhere in history...
Maybe god exists, maybe he does not. I am open to both, but do not believe 100% on either of them. To many variables involved in the worlds history....
On the matter of how great god is, I think it is wrong how in Christianity, if you are sentenced to go to Hell, you WILL BE THERE FOREVER!
This seems rather harsh and is one of the reasons I think the bible can contradict itself...
God forgives...But apparently does not forgive people that are already in hell???
Some aspects of Christianity seem good, while others, I simply can not agree with, or think something is wrong.
How about Hindu; it's much cooler. monkey and elephant gods rock. And you get recreated as a new animal once you drop off this mortal coil. Way cooler than a kill joy in the clouds telling you what not to do.
In my opinion, I think being agnostic is the best way to view things. Most of my family are Christians/protestants. However, it seems that some major religious groups talk down upon other religions.--David470
What is there to be agnostic about?
God is what ever you want him to be. You create him in your mind and he resides there. He is an image you created. If he is bad you made him that way, and if he is a good god, you made him that way.
We are all hot wired in some way to be submissive, and having a fictitious great being to bow and pray to us gives us that master/slave kick we need.
We that's my take on things until I see a talking burning bush in some desert or he/she makes a personal appearance...
@Pcunix: God exists and He is great.How come you can't explain some things while you can on some?That's because he is greater than we all are.Want another sign?The clearest sign is He created you..spread love and peace..
THE REASON WHY GOD IS GREAT IS BECAUSE HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD AND HE CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH.
FOR THE HEAVEN THE BILLIONS OF ANGELS THAT HE CREATED AND ALSO USING THEM TO FULFILL HIS WILL HERE ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN TOO
THEN WHAT ABOUT THE EARTH THE HUMAN 'S THE ANIMAL'S THE BIRTHS AND FLOWERS THE OCEANS AND ALL THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS IN THE WORLD BOTH SEEN AND UNSEEN . HE IS THE ONE THAT MAKE THEM TO EXIST, THE HONOR, ADORATION, PRAISE AND GLORY BE ONTO HIM.
U CAN SEE WHY HIS GREAT.
Yes God is Great and Worthy of all the Praise and Glory.
All well and good, but not an answer to the question.
She's only here to provide moral support to anyone spouting illogical, childish nonsense...As if her encouragement, somehow, lends crediblity to these mindless, absurd beliefs.
Well, that person certainly needs support of some kind..
The absolute truth in her words is all the support she need. I was just agreeing with the beauty of her message.
Wow, I thought that was wht you were here for pcunix. .WOC doesn't need any help. Her statement is dead on.
As I have said before, all someone has to do is write a sentence praising god and - no matter how illiterate or illogical it is - all the theists shut off their brains and clap like mad.
Not me pcunix. I just thought it was unkind to say that to WOC. I wanted to be supportive, like getitrite was to you. I agree with her on that point. If you notice, I've disagreed with her before.
it seems, and this is just an observation, that the atheists stand as a block. None of the Christians agree on everything. The only thing we have in common is belief in God. It's lonely for us, at least it is for me. It's nice when I can agree.
Oh, please. What block?
There are no atheist sects. We don't have atheist creeds. Ridiculous statement.
The difference in my post and yours, is that my responses are based upon real observed events, where as yours are based on nothing but a childish belief in pure nonsense.
All the support in the world can't make your absurd beliefs true whether atheists stood together or not.
Does it not bother you, just_curious, that you are basing a belief on what you claim is absolute truth, and yet in the same breath admit that noone who follows that belief can agree on everything? Isnt absolute truth irrevertible? If it were absolute truth, would there be room for such dissention among its followers?
Just curious myself.
I'm leaving now, but I wanted to tell you that I cannot keep up with your mood swings. You seem testy. You were nice at lunch. You were down right disagreeable yesterday. It's making me dizzy.
Aww, you've gone and hurt his feelings again! When will you stop being truthful with him? You KNOW he can't handle it!
Next time you post, try using some Online Etiquette. If you don't know what that means, look it up or ask your god. Either way, learn something.
God is Great - take a look at your surroundings - the earth, moon, sun, stars - they were all created by a higher-being (Genesis 1:1) The Bible tell us of all the goodness associated with God and we can do our own research. However, it takes more then me telling you that God is Great - it takes understanding what is going on today and why there is so much suffering - if there is a God.
My answer is that anyone could tell you to believe - but that will be blind faith - you will have to take the time and read and examine the scriptures for yourself. It is full of informaton - yes, that was inspired by God. (2 Timothy 3:16)
How is it possible for a Book so old to have in it many of the events that are taking place today. A careful examination of the scriptures will enable us to seek out the truth in respect to its' reliability and consistency with the times.
God is great because you do not intimidate him. In fact, no one here intimidates God and nothing you or anyone else says surprises Him.
Granted, Pcunix, I have not had the time to read every single response to the original question you posted, but of the considerable amount I have read, I have yet to find one that actually pertains to it. I am not a Christian, as is defined by conventional and modern standards. But I am one who greatly respects wisdom, in all of its forms and expressions, and it is indisputable that the Bible, among other things, is a source of such wisdom.
In response to your question, I would like to provide an example that would better illustrate the point I wish to make. Many (all, actually) who practice (or don't) Christianity believe that all who disobey God or simply don't accept Jesus as a saviour will spend the entirety of their eternity burning in a lake of fire called hell. During my own quest for understanding, I posed this question to many who were supposed to be qualified to answer (preachers, priests, hardcore Christians, etc.); if eternal life is a gift of God, and the wages of sin is death...how can one POSSIBLY spend an eternity burning in a lake of fire without dying? Would God deliberately grant someone eternal life simply to watch them burn for eternity because they exercised the free will that he himself gave them?
That would definitely be a petty, cruel, and inhumane thing to do. But my point is not that God is such things, nor that the Bible is false. My point is that humans are infallible, and tend to give meaning to those things whose meaning they do not understand.
As you're question was not "Why do you believe in God?", I will not answer that. It is a long and very personal account. But in answer to your question, whether God is petty or whether the writers got it wrong...I believe it is neither. I believe it is the readers who get it wrong, day after day, year after year, century after century...and the continuation of belief in such false and pretentious interpretations is perpetuated by the human tendency to blindly believe in anything that seems higher than themselves, regardless of empirical evidence or intellectual reasoning (or lack of either.)
I hope this helps to clarify at least a little of the confusion expressed throughout this hub post.
The egyptian pharoah said the same thing.. who is this God and to paraphrase, why is he so great.
Then God systematically, one by one humiliated and destroyed the GodS of the egyptians and left that civilization in utter shambles.
The ones who knew their God was great walked out of egypt with wealth and freedom.
God blesses His people and the others receive not the blessings of God. Christians always say how great God is while the rest look around and fail to understand or see it.
God is great to those that do his will.
I did not read every post as this thread is sooooo long! However I would just like to state that the bible was written by men, not any god, and as such is not proof of anything. Being a woman, and seeing how women have been treated in history as well as in biblical times I have difficulty reconciling the "God is Great" phrase that many people (many women) use with believing in an all encompassing, compassionate diety. Stoning.....really? Honor and obey? I am not, nor will I ever be a servant for anyone because the bible told me so. Only by my choice .
I also have much difficulty with believing in such a "Great God" when I see so much suffering by people who haven't so much as hurt a fly. (See the thread about Granma Connie and Lexi, I really hope she gets well)
diane as for the suffering that the people undergo even though God is merciful..................i believe that God created us to test us and He will definitely judge us accordingly and grant us a suitable eternal place in paradise.
hope this helps you.
Could you explain how and why an ALL-KNOWING God needs to test us? Wouldn't He already know the results of any test?
And why would God create us just to test us? Doesn't He have better things to do? I mean, since He already knows the answer to the tests, it would seem that He wastes all His time doing absolutely nothing...well, except running the universe!
i try to answer the question, i think, that the ALL knowing God knows all but when he tells us on the day of judgement are we ready to accept that we WOULD HAVE LIVED A GOOD OR BAD LIFE. so maybe this life is a proof for our doing. and on the last day we cant reject any of our doing.
i seriously dont know if you will accept this. but this is what i believe. please correct me if i am wrong.
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