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  1. profile image56
    exorterposted 12 years ago

    I have been off the computer a couple of months, but just read some e-mail, was told that Rom. 10:9 was the only requirement of christians,
    what about James 2:10if you keep the whole law and yet offend in one point, you are quilty of all.
    the word law comes from greek word nomos, which means, { law, rules, principles} we must live by all principles of being a christian. we have requirements of living a christian life, or we are guilty of breaking all

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      SirDentposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Ia gree that we must do the commandments Jesus gave us.  What many fail to realize is that the gospel when first preached was the kingdom gospel preached to the Jews.  The Jews had to reject it before it would be preached to the gentiles.

      That is off-hand, sort of, without pondering it.

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    2. aka-dj profile image68
      aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I don't believe this scripture is referring to keeping any Laws. Rather, it's saying that all people are guilty of sin, not just those who murder, steal etc, as is often cited. "I don't kill, steal, rape etc. I am a good person" type of thing.
      What James is saying is, even if you tell a small lie (for example) you are guilty of breaking ALL the Law, because the same Lawgiver gave it, along with the "big" sins.

      We are clearly taught, that under the New Covenant, we are no longer under the Law, but under grace and mercy. Which is what we should be "dishing out" to others.

      I defy ANY Christian to keep any or all Law. They can't. They're not expected to.
      Jesus gave us the last Commandment(s) Love God, & love your neighbour as yourself!

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        just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Beautiful sentiment dj. Well said.

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus brought no new Law; he was a Jew and he adhered to the teachings of Torah of Moses; it was Paul who gave the concept of new law; unauthorised though.

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      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image80
        Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I agree. Christianity would have been better off without Paul. He was just a self proclaimed apostle who was more guilt ridden and schizophrenic than anything else. But then, he was half Roman so the Roman Church identified with his sentiments perhaps more than with that of apostles that were supposedly actually there at the time Jesus was alive.

        So what if he hated woman even though they most often acted as host and priest in traditional Christian community meetings in the home? The Romans were a patriarchal society and didn't believe in that nonsense anyway.   

        I think they should have kept Thomas instead, and thrown Paul out, but after all, they were building a Roman church, not a Christian one. lol...

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      2. bgamall profile image71
        bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        No, that is wrong. Christ fulfilled the law of Moses. But Paul revealed that the new Law of Christ was the law of record after his ressurrection. See Heb 7:12  "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

        The change of law is to the new Law of Christ, the law of faith to the end.

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        1. twobmad profile image61
          twobmadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah Christ has fulfilled the Law. He didn't abolish the law.  So the purpose of the las now is to convict of our sin and to enable us to live a sanctified life.

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    4. Y. Kajitaka profile image62
      Y. Kajitakaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The Law was of the Old Testament- it was meant to make a point that no matter how hard we tried, we couldn't keep all of the law all the time.  That point was made so we would truly understand: Jesus came to redeem us from sins that we can't escape.  He is the only way for us to be saved, because we simply can't do it through our power alone.  Jesus' sacrifice replaced the Law of Moses.

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      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        This is why your religion causes so many wars. We can escape, we can change, we can be better than we have been. Your constant barrage and the majik pill does not work. You do not understand at all.

        Please do not destroy my world with this thinking. Please try and be a better person instead of giving up and letting your imaginary friend do all the work. You can be a better person. You can choose not to sin. You can improve - you just have to do some work instead of taking this lazy "some one else dunnit for me." approach. Please at least try and be a better person? Try not to sin and break teh law all the time because you have been saved. At least try and develop some ethics and morals. Please. sad

        Thank you.

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        1. bgamall profile image71
          bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Mark, I have to comment as I have watched you go on these boards and make claims. I want to clarify one thing for you as you rightly hate the public wars and killings in the name of Christ.

          But Christ said his kingdom was not of this world,

          "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight" John 18:36.

          So, what passes for Christian, be it Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, the crusades, the inquisition, the reformation, are all false. They all violate the command of Christ, that his servants will not physically fight for him.

          All of so called Christian history is a lie and is opposed to the words which impact only a few.

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          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I know. Once you read the bible and imagine the characters are aspects of your self - it makes complete sense.

            All the time you imagine Invisible Super Beings and some one else doing all the work for you - you get what we have seen for the last 2000 years - money and politics.

            I gave up trying to get these guys to understand that many years ago, That would mean introspection instead of finger pointing. wink

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              just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              That is not entirely true now, is it Mark? You know perfectly well that people see this and you continue to harass them in exactly the same manner. Anyone who believes in anything, other than bottom line atheism appears to offend you, unless there is another point to your posts, in which case you might want to rethink them. They all look the same to the casual observer.

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              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                They can spot troll-like behavior as well. Sorry you are so angry - I don't blame you. I would probably spend my time harassing and persecuting innocent atheists if I believed in an Invisible Super Being. Thank you for reminding me why I decided to start using my brain instead. You should try it. wink

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                  just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Ok.I don't believe in a Super being. I don't think. Not by your definition of it. But I do apologize. I was in a foul mood this morning and I posted snippily. I deserve to be chastised for it. But, if I am honest, I still say your shtick is fairly consistent throughout. Mine too probably. I need to learn to bend a little. Something I plan to work on. smile

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            2. bgamall profile image71
              bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              I just wanted to set the record straight, Mark. smile

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        2. Y. Kajitaka profile image62
          Y. Kajitakaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I'm sorry, but that reply bites for me.  Seriously.  T_T

          "Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good.  He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God."  III John 1:11

          There was another verse that my pastor used in a sermon last year that came to mind, but unfortunately its reference escapes me.  I was positive it was in Jude, but apparently it isn't.

          Jesus dying for my sins isn't a reason to let myself go and do whatever- it's all the reason I need to do everything I can together with the Holy Spirit to walk in the ways of God, instead of the ways of man.  Please don't automatically assume someone is a carnal Christian.  It hurts, honestly.

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          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Why would what a complete stranger says hurt? You are a carnal Christian. You would not be here spreading the word and claiming to be saved without doing any work if you were not.

            If you were walking in the ways of god - you would not need to do this or interact with me. sad

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            1. Y. Kajitaka profile image62
              Y. Kajitakaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              ...  WOW.  You like totally missed the whole point.  That's amazing.  Go attend a sermon next Sunday at an Independent Baptist church and PLEASE fix your theology.  No, I will not reply even if you reply to this post-  apparently you have a reputation, and I have someone looking out for my sanity.  Thank the Lord, and praise be to God.

              And spreading the Word is the great commission- it's featured at the end of Matthew, Mark, Luke AND John, the four Gospels.  ^^

              Have a Blessed day~ <3

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              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Bye. Bless you too, you carnal christian you. wink

                You do know what "carnal" means - right? sad

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                  just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Sorry to ruin your fun with the independent baptist. But, I don't know if you noticed, she called me lord and god. Amazing. I'm a pantheist for less than 24 hours and, BAM, I'm promoted. Must be the cats. You should change your avatar. Give me a week and I might have a cult following.  cool

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              2. Beelzedad profile image58
                Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, we do understand your level of "common courtesy" which is why we are fed with it as all it ever does is cause conflict and wars. smile

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  "all it does is cause wars and conflict".

                  Do you think if anti-Christians keep spouting that long enough, it will make it true?
                  Well, you would be wrong about that.

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                  1. Beelzedad profile image58
                    Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    Wrong or not, Christians have been confirming it for the last two thousand years. smile

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                  just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Hey, I was attempting to diffuse a volatile situation..I'm a peacemaker between warring factions and I get maligned. Viciously. A pantheist never gets a break. That's what Einstein always complained about anyway.

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    Is that what you view yourself as, a pantheist?

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                  2. Beelzedad profile image58
                    Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    So, is Hubpages paying you to referee these forums or something? I don't recall anyone asking you to be a peacemaker? smile

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Might of make a suggestion? Run away. Unless you like to argue. This guy's tenacious, and the argument never changes.

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            1. Y. Kajitaka profile image62
              Y. Kajitakaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              ...  You're helping me a lot today.  *hugs for good measure*

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                just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Keep your chin up. These guys can be murder. They don't seem to have the same understanding of common courtesy as what most of us consider to be the norm, but they're just voicing an opinion. Even if it is somewhat rudely. I think they're going for shock effect, so if you keep your emotions in check they get frustrated and they'll eventually go bother someone else for a while.

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                1. Y. Kajitaka profile image62
                  Y. Kajitakaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't know about that.  I spent four days on debate with that Beelzedad guy...  -_-;  I finally told him that even if he replied, I wouldn't.  He was being very mean sometimes.  TT_TT  You're a God-send.  Light from above.  *hugs again*

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                  1. Cagsil profile image75
                    Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    roll

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    5. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      exorter, this is the dilemma faced. It ties back to the Old Testament which many Churches are trying to go away from!  Modern eclectic church, or actual Biblical testament.  They water it, change it and adapt it for the majority of folks who tithe to that particular Church. They are sincere in their faith, and well intended, but blinded in mental re-enforcements to follow without questions.

      it is a warning that if you act as you are under the "Law" as given by God, you will in the end be judged by the Law. The Implied  meaning  is we all will fail as we are Human, not Gods.  The law turns on us to bite us in the end!

      It is more of the catch 22 people fall into as Christians. Rules that human people can not possibly meet,. He made us this way, knows we can not keep those laws as humans, yet He will judge  all of us with it?  Psychotic at worst, confused meanings at best. And all of it un-proven  with word of mouth testimony some 80-500 years after it happened.

      Plus there is no clarification of its meaning, except by the Sunday school Teacher or Preacher who is interpreting it their way, with literary license. The way their one particular sect of the belief think it should be. Read one passage, ignore the rest of the chapter, then make up everything God said and intended to be understood, and make it  for others to follow, YOU… like they have the inside track to Jesus.

      And that’s were the Verbal wars  and insults come out of. My way is the ONLY way. Your way is not right!

      All self serving B.S.  so you do not notice the lack of  conviction or upholding the life, when the back door never matches the Front one!


      If you really want to feel that guilty, just live with your mother for life..!

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        exorterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I agree there are a lot wrong with the churches today, it is called the great falling away, but that does not mean to not try and speak to other christians about what I feel to be wrong, sometimes we get into great discussions that may open my eyes or another's. most of the time speaking to someone does no good because we as people do not want to see our own shortcommings. but if we are willing to listen, we may be surprised what we may learn

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    6. Mikel G Roberts profile image67
      Mikel G Robertsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      By this form of logic, if you jay-walk across a deserted street, then you are a murdering child rapist committing genocide. Obviously ridiculous.

      If you break A law it is that law you're breaking, and you are guilty of that offense and only that offense.

      My Opinion.

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    just_curiousposted 12 years ago

    If you worry about the law, you fall into the same trap the Jews had falllen into. You focus on the message. Try to internalize the example of Christ. That's the bottom line message he preached. Change your heart. If you get too mired down in Paul's philosophy you lose the message of Christ. Just an opinion.

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    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Be awesome if that was what you did instead of just preaching the message.

      Why is it do you think that so few actually do it - and instead preach it - as you are doing?

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        just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Give me a break, preacher man. Didn't you see the disclaimer? Just an opinion. I'm only here as an observer at this point. I've moved along in my philosophy, so to speak.

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        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          It was a serious question. Why do you preach it instead of do it? I genuinely want to know. All the other Christians refuse to answer this question. I thought you might be different. Fat chance. lol

          Off for my therapy session now - I will see what you manage by the time I come back, because - if you loved me - you would have answered this question instead of defending your beliefs - as usual. sad

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Mark, you misunderstand everything. Which, explains your swing to atheism. I doubt anyone will ever have the aura of enlightenment glowing as if a halo. It's a journey. No one can reach the destination. Anyone who claims to have is deluding themselves. I realize you don't get it, but hey, neither does anyone else. Which is why we talk. To listen to other opinions, reflect on them, and if there is a valuable message contained we learn something we can use on our journey. You should try it. Or, just keep preaching. I'll enjoy your posts either way. smile

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            And hey, if you run short of funds for those therapy sessions, let me know. I'll contribute, but I might suggest a new therapist. I'm not sure you're making progress with the one you've got. Just an opinion.

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            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Of course - and back to condescending while avoiding the tough questions.  Oh well *shrugs* thanks for reinforcing my opinion of religious people. Sorry I cannot crush enough brain cells to believe the nonsense you pretend to believe and never follow. Little wonder your religion causes so many wars.

              My therapy is mountain biking in France and I could do with some new tires, so head on over to my Amazon wish list if you want to contribute.  lol

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        Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        That's actually a very valid question. and I think it has to do with the way that people learn. While attending school the best way to learn something is to practice, and I have found that if you teach the things you havelearned to others, you gain a better understanding of it yourself. I think we can all agree that this is a very effective mode of learning.

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          paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I agree with you.

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        2. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          But - you do not seem to have learned anything. Actions speak louder than words - all you guys offer is the latter. Guess you are too busy preaching to actually read what your book says about this. Pretty much proved to me it was garbage - thanks. wink

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Hey Mark, you seem like a smart guy, with an overly developed definition of what constitutues a Christian.  Could you share?  And, be real specific.  I think it would be good for everyone, not just people that identify with Christianity.  Then everyone on the forum could be on the same page as to what constitutes sin, a godly manner and sundry other concepts it seems you, alone, might have the answers to.  I am curious.  So please, be as detailed as possible.  Thanks.

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            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Read your Majik book. lol Dear me.

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                just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Too late, preacher man.  I've moved on.  I really need the advice though, since I do consider the bottom line message of Christ and other enlightened ones important.  I think they were all pointing at the same thing.  So, since I have accepted the fact that the Bible is simply a group of thoughts trying to share a message, I'm very confused.  I need your help.  Have some mercy.  Tell us all what it is we need to know.

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                1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. wink

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                    just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    But, you see, there in lies the problem.  I like people to be contrary with their ideas.

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                  2. Slarty O'Brian profile image80
                    Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    No. That's no good. What if I don't like having done to me what you like? So maybe we could make it: Do unto others as they would have you do? No that's no good either. What if I'm a masochist?

                    The golden rule doesn't work.

                    The real golden rule is the one the Pagans came up with: Do no harm.
                    Cleaner, simpler and much harder to follow. I'd add: Do no intentional harm.

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            Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You are just seeing what you want to see. If you don't like something you will never see any good in it.

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            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              No - I am seeing what actually exists. You just think you are being loving by waving a gun around, attacking all scientific knowledge and causing constant fights - I simply see this differently to you because I do not consider this to be emulating Jesus. This is because you damaged your ability to think rationally when you started believing in Invisible Super Beings.

              This is why your religion causes so many wars. sad

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                Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                I don't attack all scientific knowledge. I completely agree with fields such as Math, Physics, Geometry, Geology, most of Anthropology, Biology, Chemistry, Economics, Linguistics, Psychology, Geography, Political Science, Sociology, Computer, Statistics, Systems, Agronomy, Architecture, Engineering, Education, Health, Managment, Military, and Spatial Sciences.

                It seems to me that your definition of science is limited to what? Evolution? Yeah, I don't buy that one. And so what if I'm a sports man? Is it morally incorrect for atheists to eat meat?

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                  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You are right in your thinking; religion is mostly for guidance in things ethical, moral and spritual; one should respect sciences in temporal issues.

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                2. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Good grief. You think you completely agree with chemistry, geology and biology? Don't make me laugh. Oh wait lol lol


                  This is why your religion causes so many wars. sad

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  3. arnoldanane profile image54
    arnoldananeposted 12 years ago

    how are u doing

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Welcome to the forum; enjoy the discussions and be free to add your good input if you may like to do so. It is an opne forum.

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  4. mcrawford76 profile image91
    mcrawford76posted 12 years ago

    My take on that scripture is that we live with sin in our hearts. And if you are a sinner it doesn't matter what law you broke. The key is to ask Jesus Christ into your heart each day and TRY not to repeat your sins.

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus was a human being, as he said he was a Son of Man; he did not died on the Cross; he was saved a cursed death on Cross by the Creator-God; he never resurrected as he did not die on the Cross in the first place. He was not a god or son of god so he cannot peep into one's heart. One should ask forgiveness of one's sins from the Creator-God and resolve not to do sins again.

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      1. aka-dj profile image68
        aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Will you PLEASE get your story straight. You have NO idea what you are talking about.
        If you want to tell us about the Koran, please do so. I won't quote it to you, knowing I will look as ignorant about that as you are about the Bible.

        You keep quoting the Bible, yet you are clueless about what it says.

        THE MESSAGE of Jesus resurrection is central to the New Testament.
        That IS the Gospel.

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          paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Jesus did not write the Gospel; it was written by the sinful scribes unauthorised by Jesus.The scribes wrote mythical stories and fiction that has got nothing to do with truthful account of Jesus.
          This is what is truthful and what I believe; others could believe differently out of their free will; yet they should believe with rational arguments.

          Did Jesus write the Gospel?

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          1. aka-dj profile image68
            aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            "Did Jesus write the Gospel?"

            Jesus did not write ANYTHING.

            Should we throw the Bible away because of this point?

            If all the Gospel writers lied, they did a wonderful job at inventing the "lie".
            Why do you quote the Bible then, if it's all lies.

            Please quote the Koran, and stay with what you know.
            You are showing great ignorance quoting the Bible.

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              paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              I never told anybody to throw the Bible; it is not even as accurate as a book of history as the historians write events under some principles; the sinful gospel writes hid the truth and posed as if they were the eye-witnesses; they never were eye-witnesses. They fled away from the scene of the Cross leaving their master alone to suffer.They were not even believers in Jesus.
              One should read Bible with utmost care and warning; only believing what is rational and is not mythical.

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              1. aka-dj profile image68
                aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                I think I am starting to pity you.

                What a pathetic view of the Bible.

                I could say just as bad things about the Koran, as you do the Bible, But I have a little more respect than you do.

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  5. Greek One profile image64
    Greek Oneposted 12 years ago

    Mark hurts me daily

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    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Dude - if you paid me the $65,098 you owe me - I would not need to. sad

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  6. Greek One profile image64
    Greek Oneposted 12 years ago

    but his fees change!
    Everyday I owe more!

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    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      As Einstein once said - "The most powerful force in the Universe is compound interest." wink

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    2. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      thats the same complaint I heard about the exchange rate!!!!!!!   smile

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    Over The Hillposted 12 years ago

    cagsil, the only thing larger than your mind is your head. You`re always good for a laugh. Nothing like a paper philosopher.

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    1. Cagsil profile image75
      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I deleted my first post to your post, because I gave you a little bit of time to respond to my first post, which you didn't, which was surprising you didn't have a sarcastic response. However, if you're implication is to claim that my 'ego' is in my way, then you couldn't be more wrong.
      You know there is a good explanation for why you laugh? And, that would be because YOU are Over The Hill. Go figure huh? hmm
      Are you trying or attempting to insult? I'm not a philosopher and never claim to be one. So, with that said, if you actually have anything meaningful to say, feel free.

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        Over The Hillposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Actually Cagsil, you do impress me. I happened to be away for other matters and I certainly apologise for not being able to respond to your post. However, I find you to be a lonely individual,quite intellegent,yet miserable and lonely in your life. Actually, I would like to be your friend and hope to have more correspondance with an individual with your intellect. I ask your forebearance and patience with my triteness.

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          just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          You appear to be an incredibly insightful poster. I believe you just got a follower. smile

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            Over The Hillposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you Just Curious and may God richly bless you out of His unending abundance. He gives life and love to those that earnestly seek him. I ask your forgiveness for my sometimes sharp and seemingly snappy replys. May God forgive me.

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              just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Even one with the patience of a saint would be forgiven for being impatient in this forum sometimes, I would think.

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    paarsurreyposted 12 years ago

    One should read Bible with utmost care and warning; only believing that is rational and is not mythical.

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    1. Beelzedad profile image58
      Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Same with the Quran. smile

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        paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
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    2. Flightkeeper profile image67
      Flightkeeperposted 12 years ago

      I think you should read the whole passage instead of fixating on one sentence because you would lack context.  In this passage, James was essentially saying that you should treat everyone with fairness and if you favor one over another, you're basically breaking the spirit of the law which says Love your neighbor as yourself.

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    3. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 12 years ago

      Jesus asked the question 2,000 years ago:

      "Who do you say I am"?

      It seems he knew us better than we know ourselves ,since that question slices through mans pride and straight to the heart,

      In reply to Marks statement along the lines of this scripture

      ,Text:  James 1:22-23
      22.  But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
      23.  For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass

      Jesus is speaking against hypocrisy.

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    4. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 12 years ago

      Same ole
      Same ole

      Oh dear tongue

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      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah - I know.

        Sorry u  r so angry I int gettin wot god sed. lol Change your tune - I go away.

        Oh - right - U wont to spred wot god sed innit.

        Little wonder your beliefs cause so many conflicts. sad

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        1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
          Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Aww dont go away, you know you'd miss me big_smile

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years ago

      Christians are good people; they don't know that sinful Paul, sinful Church and sinful scribes did deviate from the truthful path of Jesus and Mary.
      When they will realize this thing; they will be reformed.

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        just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I assume you would concede the obvious errors in the Quran also? You sound as if you are someone looking to ensure the facts are straight.

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          paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Suggets one such error, please, quoting from Quran the first and the foremost source of guidance of Muslims whatever the denomination. While quoting from Quran please remember to provide some verses preceding and some verses following for the context, to understand the correct meaning.

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            just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I went to a site started by disgruntled muslims.  I assume they have the best take on your text.  I found quite a lot, but any discrepancy between the Biblical text and the quran would, I'm sure, be explained away as mistakes in the former.  This one stood out, in that creation took a little longer, the second time around.

            11:7 And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days
            41:9- 49:12  Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days”And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask. Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly." And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing. (8 days total)

            I suppose, if I'd been interested, I could have found more.  Anyway, I'm not trying to argue; simply trying to point out that there isn't a lot of reason to be disrespectful of the text of one religion, when there are just as many problems with another that you choose to follow.

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