Did God create everything or not?
A better question might be, which one...
LOL! You contradict yourself and tell others to watch how they "reason"
Where? Somewhere between the left pulmonary artery and the right ventricle?
It's funny how Christians on one hand will tell you God created the universe and everything in it, but they will also put forth a rather lengthy list of the things God didn't create in the universe.
It would be so much easier if all they said was, "God didn't create God, man did".
It amazes me that people (double scorpion) say they want to learn here on these forums, and then condemn those who answer the question.
If you give an opinion, and get another one in response, don't call that "judgment" on you.
Just how open are you to learn?
And how much do you want to argeue and assert your own point of view.
PS. I suggest if you truly want to learn, do a Google search for the topic you want to learn about, and then go to the most "expert" website on that.
Why go to "amateurs" (used with caution) when you can find experts"? (Just sayin')
Peace!!Who is to say other animals cant reason just because we dont perceive it? And who is to say humans are the only intelligent animal? We havent left our own solar syatem so that conclusion would be extremely biased wouldnt it? Obviously Im going outside this whole biblical study topic thing but I thought it would be worth playing devil's advocate. Unless its supposed to be God's advocate or man's advocate.
Who endowed man with the weakness of being tempted by the flesh, BO? Is it the same deity which frowns upon man following basic instincts from perhaps 500,000 years ago?
Was it also the deity which commanded Thou Shalt Not Kill not long after purposely drowning almost the entire population of man and animals on planet Earth?
And was it the same guy who said not to covet your neighbor's wife and then impregnated a 13 year old betrothed virgin?
Your god can't make up his dern mind what he wants from humans. I mean, look who he chooses to speak in his behalf. He has to have a sense of humor in that though!
- brotheryochananposted 13 years ago
0Okee dokee. I would disagree, but it's really simply one opinion vs another. Doesn't amount to anything other than that. No way to know who is right or wrong, or even if there is a right or wrong answer. It's all a matter of perception.
No. What you state is your opinion of Bible truths. I tell you what. Get all of Christendom to agree with you and I will agree that they are Bible truths. 2.9% agreeing doesn't really support your argument. It doesn't mean I will agree that they are truths, but I would be hard pressed to argue that they weren't biblical truths.
I would direct you back to my first response. It applies here also.
You say God does not change. Tell me this. Why is the universe itself constantly changing? Why is the world you live in evolving? Why does society change?
Why did the message change from one of retribution to one of Love?
Could it simply be that your God is trying to get it through Man's thick skulls that things change? That understanding of the spiritual is meant to change and evolve?
I have absolutely no idea what you are refering to on this one. So you made a mistake. Everyone does.
Interesting how you have played both sides of the fence. You say a fruit allowed them to see.. but you don't think it was a fruit. Peace.
Could fruit then be, by bible definition, what is the result of how people live? A good tree bears good fruit. Judge a tree by its fruit and the fruit of righteousness is love, peace, joy etc. Fruit is then, allegorically, the evidence of a persons lifestyle.
To eat, is to partake?! Could not then eves sin been gradual, building up until adam became a partaker of that same fruit (lifestyle) eve was endulging in? Do we have the liberty to then assume that adams sin was not eating a fruit but being subject to eve and following her path and not Gods'? Was Gods statement, 'not to eat of the fruit' (partake of the lifestyle) just a warning of other consequences? and not a literal warning to an allegorical passage?
sometimes the bible gives ones head a real good workout, to go with the eyestrainThat can be explained quite simply.There was never an Adam and Eve. This is a story. I think I've been quite clear in previous conversations. If you don't understand, there is nothing I can do about it. If you do and are pretending to raise an eyebrow, again, there is nothing I can do about it.
I doubt anyone argues that point. But, that has nothing to do with the 'fruit' in the story.
Sure, women are just plain evil then, by your definition? Is that why the evangelicals insist that women are to be subjugated to a man's authority? Because to listen to a woman makes you evil? If that's what you're saying (which I hope it isn't) you're scaring me.
I don't get the impression you've had much of work out. I would also suggest reading glasses to cut down on the strain.try a parallel bible, that way all the gospels can be read at one time
As I stated in the post, I hoped I had misunderstood you. Since you chose to become angry, instead of clarifying, I am left to assume I did not misunderstand. This does not make me nasty (or a b*tch), as you would like to imply.
Your refusal to consider alternative points of view are, in my opinion, the largest obstacle to our communication; but I believe that is not unique to our conversations. I wish you luck with that in the future.Nice to know I get so far up your nose that you have to harp on about me brothery........ speaks volumes, thanks!
Nope. I'm not aware of any blinders on ernest, but I call them as I see them. I don't resort to personal insults when I get called out either. I apologize when I'm wrong. I try to avoid stamping a little foot. It ensures I have one less thing to look the fool over. You should certainly try it. I highly recommend it.
Sort of says it all really.
brotheryochanan wrote:
I did not appreciate your incorrect assumption about how i view women ...some can be such b*tch*s.No chance of that, I didn't buy the biblical crud that puts women in the same class as cattle dogs.
Hey Melissa, I resemble that last remark about men...... the "you all" bit at least!
I think you are a very good thinker and communicator myself, and I live in a house full of women.... 5 of em ...... and I make most of the sandwiches around here.I apologize Earnest. The you all was supposed to be a singular. I'm Southern (American) and we make "You" plural instinctively.
LOL and if my husband ever told me to get up and make him a sammich, I would know that he had suffered some sort of traumatic brain injury while I wasn't looking. Of course, if he ever called a woman a b*tch in my presence I would assume the same thing.Nice! A husband that knows to respect his greater self........ sounds like a smart man.
By the way, I love real bitches!
I just let ours out for a run in the yard. She is a Labrador-cross and has the typical bitch personality.... she is a very sweet girl with few vices and very smart.
It wasn't the Christian in me that insulted you, it was the intellectual. The Christian would have forgiven you
Still waiting for that proof btw I have no problem admitting I have no idea what you're exact reasons were for home schooling your children in the same way I have no idea why your children decided they wanted to go to public school. I get statistical probabilities and the fact they relate to everything, including those reasons.
The reasons you wrote in your Hub article were not that generalized but were actually pretty specific; religion and bullying. I easily found plenty of reasons with a simple search:
Parents cite numerous reasons as motivations to homeschool, including better academic test results, individualized instruction, to help the public system with fewer kids, more hands on environments, to try alternative methods, poor public school environment, religious reasons, improved character/morality development, the expense of private education, and objections to what is taught locally in public school. Homeschooling may also be a factor in the choice of parenting style. Homeschooling can be an option for families living in isolated rural locations, living temporarily abroad, and to allow for more traveling; also many young athletes and actors are taught at home. Homeschooling can be about mentorship and apprenticeship, where a tutor or teacher is with the child for many years and then knows the child very well. wiki
But, when we look at the statistics, we find religious reasons make up at least 40% with behavioral problems at about 10%, which is half the demographic for just those two reasons.
As well, reasons such as 'poor learning environment, developing character/moral, object to school teachings make up another 50%, but they too have been cited back to religious origins; morally corrupt students according to the Bible, teaching evolution, etc.
So, I can understand completely that your reasons are not at all the reasons given above and that you don't fall within those statistical boundaries, but are instead part of a fractionally small percentile of those who home school their children for completely different reasons.
Therefore, I admit I was wrong.
Yep, because that's the reason you are avoiding the proof. It couldn't possibly be because the proof doesn't exist. You accused me of something (several times) then couldn't provide proof. That's a personal attack
genesis 1:26
.... dominion over the fish, fowl, cattle and over all the earth.
before the flood
genesis 9:2
.... and the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, fowl, fishes...
from dominion to fear.
that sucks
I'll go with the or not.
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