Proof that Jesus Christ did not exist.
- Religulousposted 13 years ago
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LMBO!!!
There you have it, it must be true.
On a more serious note, I don't think he has time to maintain a hub page. I believe His time may be consumed by making sure everyone forwards those chain emails that say if you don't forward it, you don't love Christ.- I never thought about that
Does anyone think a higher force would monitor your Outlook?
Try the CIA, FBI, MI5 & MI6, KGB, Bundesnachrichtendienst, Vatican & Mossad to name a few...
Oh and perhaps Microsoft....
... the little green men in outer space too
Well, Midnight Oil actually pointed out the "higher" authority of Law Enforcement. So, technically, he is correct.
- Ok by me. I'll still have 35 lives left.
When we look closely at the Jesus myth, we see that this man did not condemn others when he was allegedly alive, so it would make no sense he would do that now or anytime soon, Dave.
Those are YOUR threats, Dave, not his.
Read your bible, Dave. It appears you have not done so. Jesus forgave others, he never condemned them.
It would appear you offered nothing in refutation. Who exactly did Jesus condemn? Please explain.
Lashing out and condemning are two different things. Please provide quotes from the bible in which Jesus actually condemned others.
Of course, there were many such men walking around preaching one thing or another, and you can be sure they were crucified by the Romans as trouble makers. So what? Christ could have very well been a living man doing exactly that. It's the part of the Resurrection that is in question as being utterly ridiculous and mythical, yet it is the foundation of Christianity.Wonderful! I was hoping someone was going to bring up the Pharisees. Strange that no one brought up his condemnation of the Sadducees.
Of course, the gospels have been criticized for it's presenting of "false caricatures" of the Pharisees and scribes because Jesus failed to understand from within what the Pharisees were preaching and only viewed them from a position of self-interest. In fact, he was actually criticizing and condemning his own Jewish background.
Yes he does but he hasn't done much since joining the site;
http://hubpages.com/profile/jesuschrist
That's great.
And you can even ask jesuschrist a question.
I am with Ynys Dyn, this thread has been good for a laugh out loud.
Oh and Paar I am still waiting for your reply on the other thread.I asked for proof and you give me opinion.
opinion? I wouldn't go so far as to call it something so substantial as opinion, more like myth
Over 22,000 written historical documents. (More than any other)
No denial by ANY major historical document, but rather verification from hostile sources, INCLUDING His miracles of which the Pharisees did not deny either nor did the Romans. (Which they certainly would if they could have, as they hated Him with a passion)
There's more but it's there to find for whoever..
and I'm the Queen of England!
- Motown2Chitownposted 13 years ago0
I personally find it funny as all get out - and I believe...lol But, since you offer your proof, I offer mine...LOOK...
http://www.jesuschrist.com/
He has to exist if he has his own domain, right?
(Personally, I thought you posted it in fun, and that rather than mocking God, you were mocking those of us who are idiot enough to actually FIGHT about whether or not he exists)http://www.jesuschrist.org/
It does appear to be so, BonuBobu.
No worries, I'm sure there's something out there that can still be snapped up! Good luck!
For anyone looking to see if Christ Jesus resurrected, here's a page for you to check out:
http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/eas … josh2.htmlIs it a YouTube video???
@vector7 if you would have born in iran you would have seen Ayatollah Khomeini face in moon...
That is merely an arm of the "Campus Crusade for Christ" organization. They're not biased or anything.
However, let's look at the claims presented there:
"Here are some of the facts relevant to the resurrection: Jesus of Nazareth, a Jewish prophet who claimed to be the Christ prophesied in the Jewish Scriptures..."
Nazareth never existed during the time of the alleged Christ. Somehow, they missed that particular fact in their so-called proofs.
"A Roman guard of strictly disciplined fighting men was stationed to guard the tomb. This guard affixed on the tomb the Roman seal, which was meant to "prevent any attempt at vandalizing the sepulcher.
As we have said, the first obvious fact was the breaking of the seal that stood for the power and authority of the Roman Empire."
Yet, the seal was broken and the stone covering the entrance had been moved, despite the guard. No explanation of this occurrence is offered.
"As we have already discussed, another obvious fact after the resurrection was the empty tomb."
If the seal were broken and the stone removed, it would be obvious the tomb should be empty.
"Those who observed the stone after the resurrection describe its position as having been rolled up a slope away not just from the entrance of the tomb, but from the entire massive sepulcher. It was in such a position that it looked as if it had been picked up and carried away. Now, I ask you, if the disciples had wanted to come in, tiptoe around the sleeping guards, and then roll the stone over and steal Jesus' body, how could they have done that without the guards' awareness?"
Hilarious. The guards were sleeping? It is quite obvious they were probably bribed, or drugged or some other alternative explanation which is not offered.
"The fear of their superiors' wrath and the possibility of death meant that they paid close attention to the minutest details of their jobs.
Certainly the entire unit would not have fallen asleep with that kind of threat over their heads."
And yet, it was claimed the guards were sleeping despite their obvious duties. Once again, no other alternative explanations are offered.
"...there were the grave clothes, in the form of the body, slightly caved in and empty--like the empty chrysalis of a caterpillar's cocoon. That's enough to make a believer out of anybody."
It certainly would make a believer out of anyone back then, where superstitions and myths ruled the world. Again, no other alternative explanations are offered.
"Christ appeared alive on several occasions after the cataclysmic events of that first Easter ."
Claims such as these may very well have motives of deception or paranoia behind them. People today claim they see the Christ. So what?
"Then consider the theory that the body was stolen by the disciples while the guards slept. The depression and cowardice of the disciples provide a hard-hitting argument against their suddenly becoming so brave and daring as to face a detachment of soldiers at the tomb and steal the body. They were in no mood to attempt anything like that."
Hilarious. The argument here is based on a "mood".
Notwithstanding the fact that the Christ story is most likely a myth, it is riddled with explanations that are centered around biased belief and offer no other explanations that can't easily be refuted by a host of alternative explanations.
Clearly, a simple charade could have easily been perpetrated to fool the superstitious and myth addled mind into believing divine intervention. Obviously, the superstitious and mythical are alive and well in the so-called "Evidence for the Resurrection."It's a wonder you don't just send them all the email. It's like I posted it thinking it was impossible for them to simply click the thing. As if that wasn't the intention of the "link".
Amazing your so interested in wasting so much space.
No personal interest have we?
so atleast hubpages could get it right...
You make some good points.
"Can any of the Christian scholars here point out where in the Bible Jesus demands unrelenting sycophancy?"
Sure:
Matthew 10:38
38 "And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it."
~Jesus
Please show where I judged you, who I didn't help feed, when I gave a witness at all about anyone, and who I haven't told I love them which is good works along with other things you should have no clue about within my personal life..
And as for His praises, here's your verse:
John 5:23
23 "That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him."
~Jesus
As for your judgement comment, that's often misquoted:
John 7:24
24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
~Jesus
"I can't remember him saying anything about ignoring all of those things..."
You mean we are ignoring these things? Because I think that would be bearing false witness. If I'm wrong please prove your case and point.
And quoting a Bible you don't believe in is hypocrisy..
You make some horrible points.livelonger, On another particular thread, You wrongfully accuse me of lying. I considered this bearing false witness. I am a honest person. Why do you feel entitled to use the word "most"? When I used the word "most", you felt insulted. It is not casting judgement when one does not embrace sin. If I were to go into a store and steal a candy bar, I wouldn't expect for the whole world to accept it and support it as if it is right. I don't condemn homosexuals for the lifestyle they choose. I love everyone, and that includes homosexuals, but I will not accept wrong and justify it as right. Maybe you won't label this as hate speech. I love you.
"They also don't spend time berating me for my own beliefs."
-livelonger
You mean like when you posted this about Christians???
""Can any of the Christian scholars here point out where in the Bible Jesus demands unrelenting sycophancy?
I seem to remember that he commanded his followers, in fairly certain terms, to take care of the poor, to not to judge others, to not be a hypocrite, to not bear false witness, to do good works.
I can't remember him saying anything about ignoring all of those things and instead to sing his praises constantly.""
-livelonger"I do know that most of the self-identified Christians I know are stingy, rail against the poor for being "lazy", don't donate to anything except their church, and there are plenty prominent ones here on HubPages who cast judgment and bear false witness. Maybe they're just bad Christians?"
-livelonger
I do believe everything you have said, and much of what I haven't quoted has been passing judgement. Seemingly on Christians only.. Which is also stereotyping. If your really asking if they're just bad Christians, I'll tell you this. They are hypocrites. Pharisees. They don't want to help people if they are like what you listed, and they certainly haven't the love of God in them.
And I love you livelonger. Serious.. I wish you didn't think all Christians were like that. I just don't like being picked on, and at that with the words of my own Savior... It's just not friendly. I don't ignore anything. I try diligently to follow the Word of God.
And I'll never, ever, ever stop praising Jesus Christ. I also have that right, and it hurts not a single person. If it offends you I'm honestly sorry.You seem like a generally reasonable fellow, but I have to wonder why you keep on twisting what I say. I don't want you to unnecessarily indulge in a persecution complex.
Let me clarify a few things you posted with the truth (which you can verify by carefully reading my prior posts):
- I wasn't stereotyping. I was telling my experience with a majority of self-identified Christians that I know.
- I don't think all Christians are like that. I said a majority were among those I know personally, and I was clear that there are a few Christians I know who are decent people and whom I respect.
- I have no idea why you are taking my criticism of the majority of Christians I have met in person when I did not direct the original question to you. Do you know any of the people I know in person?
- I never said obsequious praise of Jesus offended me.
It's important, even if you are touchy about your religion, to, if you choose to respond to a post, to read the actual post and respond to what's written, not what you would like to have been written.
That said, among the Christians I know, a majority are the "Pharisees" that you mention. That's terrific that you're not.I see where everyones coming from (I think) and dont mean to simplify too much ,but the truth of the matter is there are wierd and wonderful people on both sides of the camp (pardon the pun)
And rightly or wrongly the majority of people expect Christians to always hold the high ground ,be the last ones to show any flaws or oddity. Definately Christians should never be seen to fall (which tells me,non-believers at least know of Gods laws)
Trust me they are not.
They can be stingy,mean and downright obnoxious. Every church has them. Ive met them. Maybe I was one at some time. Maybe I will be again. I hope not.
Christians decide to let Christ in -accept his teachings.
Are they perfect-Of course not,thats why they know they need Christ.
Now ,who is perfect?
Let you be the first to cast the stone then.Eaglekiwi. I fully agree with your response. Very well stated.
livelonger, No I wasn't confusing it. You just assumed I were. Please let me clarify exactly what I mean here. "Most gay people have been raped and molested." Not all of them, but most. These are people who I have met personally, and I have heard majority of homosexuals on television speaking out about being molested. If you feel entitled to rudely label me as a liar, then I can call you a liar by your statement which Vector outlined above. I choose not too. Where is your proof that most of the self-identified christians you know are stingy, rail against the poor for being lazy? Remember, you asked me for proof. I love you anyway.
Have a good weekend.OK, got it - you mean to say "Most gay people I have met personally have been raped and molested."
Understood. And have a nice weekend yourself.
Thank you WOC..
Jesus has this one too.
Matthew 15:14
14 "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."
~JesusAgreed. You are welcome
- Robin71posted 13 years ago0
That doesn't make much sense.
Proof it does exist.
Proof it doesn't exist.
No proof of either exists.. If you have any kind of "proof" as these scientists define proof, please post it for all so we can verify your statement that God:
"never existed"
And Christ Jesus certainly existed. That's been a long time gossip.. No truth. Sorry.
More denial..
The evidence is there. People just deny it.
Pliny the younger, Jocephus.. Look it up. And that's just two secular writers that verify Christ's existence.
And the Romans had nothing to do with Jesus for long awhile and never set Him as part of the Roman religion. If Jesus never existed His name would have died out a long time ago. The Romans considered old Religions to be respectable.. Not young ideas like Christianity. That's why they allowed the Jews to have their outward profession of Religion, because Judaism was long, long ago established prior to the Romans coming into view.
The Romans did not just "embrace" Christianity as you seem to make it look. Christianity undermined their own government. You think Caesar was going to be controlled by Christ's rules on life? Caesar would no sooner allow Romans to follow Christianity than would Herod the great.
And I'd love to see the Roman records your talking about on Christ's birth and death. Never seen such documents..Yes, that is the point, it has been researched, and neither Pliny nor Jocephus can verify the existence of someone who lived decades before they were born.
Do the names Zeus and Thor mean anything to you?
Of course not, no such documents exist.Jocephus was born in 37 AD -- Pliny the younger was born in 23 AD..
Christ's crucifiction was in 33 AD.
Unfortunately your statements are completely false. Pliny the younger lived while Christ Jesus lived. And neither were born "decades" later as 4 years is hardly close to a decade.Did you just make that up or something?
Pliny was born in 62AD and Josephus 37AD.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top … he-Younger
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top … s-Josephus
Any more whopper tales to tell? They just keep on comin' one after the other.I certainly did mistake Pliny for the elder's birth year. Unfortunately your statement is still false and you have accepted it as Jocephus - 37 AD is far from being a decade... Let alone decades..
Speaking of whoppers.
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