Are Republican women stupid??
Yep Burn ya Card... rather than those double 9s
Which means it's not theft: we voted for it!
But seriously, taxes are not by definition against our self-interest--it's what the tax money is used for that's either for or against our interests, and it's usually a mixed bag.No, silly. Taxation without representation is a form of slavery. That's why the founders went to war with England back in the day.
But the radical right want to edit that reason. They want to claim that "Taxation....is a form of slavery."
The battle cry of the Revolution wasn't "No taxation," full stop. It was "No taxation without representation."
Or were you absent that day?
Also, nobody (not even the people in the 35% tax bracket) pays 35% of their total income. They only pay that rate on the income they earn for doing a job for an employer, and they only pay that rate on the part of their earned income that's above the first $379K or so. So if you make $400K at your job, you only pay a 35% tax rate on a little more than $20K of your income.
"Taxes are not a mixed bag."
Yes they are. They pay for some stuff that's a good idea, like National Parks and a standing army, and they pay for some stuff that's a bad idea, like subsidies to the already-wealthy and the constant misuse of our standing army. Its up to us citizens to elect people to represent us to spend the money in ways that we think are good, and to tell them what we think.
Oh, and by the way, this?:
"In other words if you drive by my house and I stop you and force you to pay me and I call it a tax and my claim is that I use the money to beautify the street that you and I live on then, by your definition, it is not against your self interest. "
I have no idea what kind of thought process you're following to get to there from what I said, but I'd love to see it in the form of a logical proof. For entertainment value, if nothing else. Seeing that was kind of like playing in a game of Monopoly and watching as one of the other players jumps his little top hat into the Free Parking space and says "King me!"
You may be right it takes some preety good organisation though. I think the main problem is the reasonable republicans are the quietest voice in the republican party, drowned out by religious nuts and tea party members I would say a more likely solution is what Habee is doing now expressing her discontent with the party as it stands, typically however the hub has been drawn out three loud right wing nuts to attempt to drown her out... On reflection you may be right
PQ, I won't have to hold my nose to vote for Mitt. I certainly don't think he's perfect, but overall, I like him. As I've said earlier, I won't vote for a candidate like Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, or Gingrich. If someone like one of these is the nominee, I'll vote Obama, unless there's a third party candidate I can support.
Let's take this from another angle: I admit that I don't understand a lot about the Dem primaries and super delegates, but I do know that my best Dem pal was really angry that Hil wasn't the nominee in 2008. She said Hil was hijacked by the super delegates, and I know that many PUMAs agreed. Should the Dems have held their noses and voted R to teach the super delegates a lesson?
And just to let you know, I have voted D on numerous occasions. In fact, I voted for Bill Clinton and even attended one of his fundraisers. I met Bill and Gore there, and my daughters, who were just kids at the time, were on national TV hugging Clinton. Boy, did I have some 'splaining to do when my out-of-state far right relatives saw that clip on the news!!
I feel better just reading what you wrote, Habee!
I know how it is to see some flamer upstart threatening my logical,qualified, candidate. I know how it feels to be the little kid screaming, "But can't you see the emperor is nekked?"
Seems like only yesterday, but it was 2008.Wow, when I saw the topic, I figured it would have been posted by LoveMyChris or one of the other usual suspects.
When I saw that habee posted it, I was like, "Whaaaaat....?"
But everything in the OP is dead on. Hubber feenix wrote a hub about his belief that if Santorum wins the GOP nomination it'll lead to a democratic landslide (and the subsequent downfall of America). He's right about the landslide part; we disagree on the whole downfall thing.
The only GOP hopeful to say that science is a useful tool for making decisions about the world was shut down hard early in the race, in favor of a bunch of people who classify the scientific method with pagan rituals. Disappointing, but unsurprising.
The current crop of GOP candidates is like a Mount Rushmore of nutjobbery, with Santorum as nutjob in chief. I'm hoping for a Romney nomination, but only because he isn't as nutjobby as the rest of the field, and if he beats Obama (who I'm not entirely happy about either), it won't be as disastrous.
The down side to having extremists run for high office is that extremists are exactly the kind of folks that will turn out to vote come election day. Unless a whole lot of reasonable people turn out to counter the nutjob vote, we might well be watching Sam Alito swear Rick Santorum into the presidency this go-round.
The problem is, reasonable people tend to have reasonable stuff to do, and it can sometimes get in the way of being a responsible citizen. That's why most of us think 'extremist' when we think 'activist:' most reasonable people haven't got a lot of time in their lives for activism.It kinda felt like it when I first saw the title of the thread, but the original post made the world make sense again.
Yeah, this part is so EXTREME! I didn't realize that the Democratic Party platform, the WHOLE DAMN THING, is so Crazy! Bring me Santorum and his unprotected procreating sex - that is so mainstream.
"Support Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Encouraging new industry and creating jobs means giving more support to American entrepreneurs. We will exempt all start-up companies from capital gains taxes and provide them a tax credit for health insurance. We will provide a new tax credit for small businesses that offer quality health insurance to their employees. We will help small businesses facing high energy costs. We will work to remove bureaucratic barriers for small and start-up businesses–for example, by making the patent process more efficient and reliable."
- Brenda Durhamposted 12 years ago
0 I can work on the campaign
Do you then equate having enough to eat to having a cellphone? Or two cars or satellite TV or internet access?
You and I are very often on different sides of this fence, but it looks to me that the biggest reason is that you wish to support "the poor" in the entirety, including all the things that we like and want but are, after all, only luxuries.
Very few people, including me, would hesitate to feed a hungry child. I do hesitate and dislike buying luxuries for people that won't work for them themselves.
Our current recession was primarily caused by those in our congress deciding that all Americans should own a home, whether they could buy one or not. Although that bubble has collapsed it seems to many haven't learned from it. They still demand that we support the poor to the same standard of living and luxury that we all want.
You know, I put off for many years the purchase of a cell phone because I couldn't afford one (and now don't use the one I have ). During the period I also paid taxes that allowed those same "poor" people to be given a better phone than the one I couldn't afford. There is something wrong with that concept and it seems to grow every year.
There are lots of hubbers who are R and are smart with the "pop" in username - breakfastpop and couturepopcafe. These R women who like Santorum, maybe they just want to join their husband who I presumed are also Republicans. Or perhaps, others are being submissive - is it correlated with high IQ, I don't know. Being submissive does not mean they have low IQs, on the other side they must be wise as they can manipulate their conservative hubbies that way
. I've got crazy ideas anyway.
In terms of politics, do couples have same preferences? There is block voting in R families?
Santorum scares me, same with Newt!Reminds me of this;
http://www.perpetualkid.com/welcome-to- … ormat.aspx
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