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Obama admin legalizes wolf hunting

  1. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 4 years ago

    The gray wolf lost its endangered status and will be fair game to hunters beginning this fall. I checked the regulations for Wyoming and found that in much of the state, wolves can be shot any time of year. I don't like this. I "get" hunting. I used to do a lot of it myself. But we killed animals for food, and we didn't kill them during the time of year when they had young to care for. I also "get" protecting your cattle herd. I used to be married to a big time cattleman. I just don't agree with killing mammals when they're nursing young. The babies are left to starve to death.

    I'm not some bleeding heart animal rights activist. As I said, I support most legal hunting. I know populations have to be controlled. I'm against steel leghold traps and year-long hunting seasons for mammals, however. Am I being unreasonable here?

    First Obama legalizes horse slaughter in the US, and now this.

    (Holle puts away soapbox.)

    1. Karine Gordineer profile image83
      Karine Gordineerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I have to wonder how things like this get through our government with the majority of people in the U.S. against it.  I don't agree with much of the hunting that goes on...not saying all of it but much of it.  As a Native American the majority of us are meat eaters but we're not trophy hunters and don't take more than we need.  We need large game animals period.  For one thing they increase the health of smaller game animals. Wolves have been so villified by everything from the government, to Hollywood, etc.  We're pretty much doing to the wolves what we did to the Indians...trying to kill them all off.  It's very sad and I'm not sure what the answer is. We voted Obama into office thinking that he wouldn't do things like this - its very disheartening.

      1. Paul Wingert profile image78
        Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The only thing I hunt and shoot are bowling balls and beer cans. I don't get this hunting thing at all. Hunters call it "sport". How can it be a sport if the animal can't shoot back? Hunting was a survival tool along with gathering, but we now have McDonalds and supermarkets.

        1. gmwilliams profile image85
          gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Agreed,   hunting is totally inappropriate and indeed barbaric in this postmodern age!

    2. Ann1Az2 profile image59
      Ann1Az2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      habee, I agree with everything you said. Plus, I don't get hunting wolves at all. If the population gets too big or if cattlemen have to kill wolves to protect their herds, I can see killing out some of the population of wolves. What I don't approve of is creating wolf hunting to appeal to these crazy hunters that just like to shoot animals for sport. Wolves shouldn't be hunted for sport at all. They should only be killed by cattlemen to protect their herds. Nature will take care of the rest. It is our interference with nature in the first place that put them on the endangered list to start with.

      1. Ann1Az2 profile image59
        Ann1Az2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I take that back, I don't see killing any of the population of wolves (except cattlemen to protect their herds). Like I said, nature will restore the balance if we just stay out of it.

    3. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah I agree all year round with traps is excessive the ban was lifted on advice from the relevant experts because the growing population was beginning to threaten other species, having said that we are left with little alternative in terms of who we support in the election, I don't think the Republicans will be jumping all over conservation or animal welfare, too many avid hunters in their base, so vote green? Tough one.

      1. habee profile image92
        habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It is a "tough one." Something I like about most libs/Dems is their stand on animal abuse, but Obama has disappointed me there. I know most conservatives wouldn't be any better. Just about all conservatives/Repubs approve of legal hunting, as do I. BUT...the responsible hunters I know find it disgusting to kill animals when they're raising young. Part of this is due to compassion, and part is to ensure future generations of animals to hunt. I know wolves are becoming threats to livestock in certain areas. Like I said, I just think there should be a closed season. Maybe a certain number of breeding wolves could be captured, sterilized, and released. It works with feral cat populations.

  2. Angela Blair profile image87
    Angela Blairposted 4 years ago

    First -- you are not being unreasonable at all. Second -- you and I have similar backgrounds as to hunting AND ranching and yes, we do understand the reality of the situation from both sides -- so that said -- have you seen some of the wolf-hunting photos that have already been on the internet? Stacks of bloody, dead wolves and smiling hunters that appear very pleased with themselves! It's heart breaking and I'm not a bleeding heart animal rights activist, either -- just a caring human being and an animal lover. My significant other is involved in wolf rescue through the tribes so I have a first-hand view of "wolfdom" as it stands today and the situation is very discouraging. Leaving baby four-footeds to starve to death is cruelty of the first kind and legalizing the slaughter of horses in the U.S. -- for whatever reason -- is just wrong. (Angela gets off her soap box and places it next to Holle's).

  3. habee profile image92
    habeeposted 4 years ago

    Hi, Sis. Thanks for the feedback. I agree with you 100% about leaving babies to starve, but with US horse slaughter, I have mixed feelings. I hate horse slaughter, but I think the animals would suffer less in the US than they do in Mexican kill plants. Of course, I worry that with equine slaughterhouses becoming more available to Americans, it will be easier for owners to send their unwanted horses to kill plants without searching for other options. What's your take on that?

    P.S.  I haven't seen the photos you described. Ugh. I don't think I want to.

    1. Billy Hicks profile image89
      Billy Hicksposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      How in the blue hell is it that the FOIA battle over the White House beer recipie gets column inches in every major news paper, and segments on all the talk shows, yet this is the first time I'm hearing about Obama wanting to make burgers out of Mr. Ed?

      1. habee profile image92
        habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Obama promised to permanently ban horse slaughter for human consumption:

        "During the 2008 campaign you said, "Federal policy towards animals should respect the dignity of animals and their rightful place as cohabitants of our environment. We should strive to protect animals and their habitats and prevent animal cruelty, exploitation and neglect.... I have consistently been a champion of animal-friendly legislation and policy and would continue to be so once elected." You announced that you had co-sponsored legislation to stop the sale for slaughter of wild free-roaming horses and burros. During the 2008 campaign you signed on as co-sponsor to the bill to ban horse slaughter for human consumption. When asked specifically during the campaign, "Will you support legislation ...to institute a permanent ban on horse slaughter and exports of horses for human consumption", you gave an unqualified "Yes". (HSLF questionnaire)"

        I'm not blaming just the POTUS - it was a bipartisan effort. But...he promised!

        Here's more:

        http://technorati.com/lifestyle/article … for-human/

        1. Billy Hicks profile image89
          Billy Hicksposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I went and looked at the text of the bill (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2112/text  for any who are interested), and here's what happened..

          H.R.2112 (the "Consolidated and Further Continuing Appropriations Act, 2012") was a "stop-gap" appropriations bill from last November (2011). It's purpose was to fund the programs contained within until there was a decision on the Budget in December (but I think you all know how that one turned out) and there really wasn't much of a choice but to sign it. Not doing so would have been pretty drastic. 

          Technically, it doesn't "legalize" the slaughter of horses for human consumption- in fact, the word "Horse" only appears in the bill once, and that's to state that any spending resulting from the bill must adhere to Horse Protection Act of 1970 (15 U.S.C. §§ 1821 ­ 1831); what it does is fund the inspection process required for the slaughter of Horses, however such spending is limited to $696k and is at the discretion of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service.

          It's also important to note, that this isn't permanent, it will expire with the rest of the bill as soon as there is a new appropriations bill.

          From a practical standpoint, if the polling numbers that the article quoted are correct, and "horse slaughter" really does have a 70% unfavorable rating, then I don't think you'll really need to worry, the political version of NIMBY will kick in and congressmen will run screaming away from this one.

          I would advise calling/writing/emailing your Congressman and Senators and letting them know that you are opposed to be funding for "horse slaughter"; letting them know that you're a writer with a large following and lots of time on your hands wouldn't hurt either wink


          1. habee profile image92
            habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I contacted my Dem Congressman, Jim Marshall, about the slaughter act. I had voted for him, by the way. He told me animal owners had the right to do what they wanted with their animals. I told him I'd campaign hard against him, and I did. He lost. I'm sure my rants had little effect, but lose he did.

            1. Billy Hicks profile image89
              Billy Hicksposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Outstanding smile

            2. Mighty Mom profile image91
              Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              So heartening to see someone taking political action.
              I applaud you for standing up for your beliefs.
              If our elected representatives are not representing us, we need to alert them, ask for an answer, and if we don't get it or like it, vote them out.

              This is encouraging!

      2. Pamela Kinnaird W profile image88
        Pamela Kinnaird Wposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        My sentiments, too.  I had no idea of Obama legalizing the slaughter of horses -- and now wolves.  I am, as Habee puts it, a bleeding heart activist -- practically and if none of that works -- which it doesn't seem to -- I'd like to be an ostrich.

    2. Angela Blair profile image87
      Angela Blairposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      We also agree on the Mexican slaughterhouses -- I'm already seeing owners in my part of the country NOT searching for other options -- I think the poor state of our economy and feed prices being what they are are definitely part of this. In Texas lots of ranchers are finally throwing in the towel as the help (due to drought) promised by this administration never happened -- nor does it appear it will. Obviously this POTUS isn't much into animals or agriculture no matter what spin his people put on it. (I was directed to the wolf kill photos by an Indian friend who is grieved by that situation -- as am I -- so, don't go there as it's nightmarish!)

  4. Teddletonmr profile image83
    Teddletonmrposted 4 years ago

    Another example of Mr. Obama administration messing up policy they naively support enacting.
    Oh hold that thought, I bet they find a movie trailer to blame all the death and carnage for.

  5. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    I'm not a hunter but most people I know are.
    Some investigation reveals (at least as I see it) a very different complexion.
    Technically, Obama Obama is responsible for signing the removal order.
    But it's a pretty big leap to Obama himself legalilzed wolf hunting.
    As a result, each impacted states/areas create their own management plan and sets its own hunting rules. (see bottom right hand corner of web page for Idaho, Colorado, Oregon, Utah, Washington, Yellowstone National Park and two Indian Tribes, as well as the MPs for Wyoming and Idaho.

    Here's a link to the Fish and Wildwife Service for detailed information about this issue.

    http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/spe … mals/wolf/

    Some key clarifications.

    1. President Obama removed the Gray Wolf from the Endangered Species list at the specific request of the Governor of Wyoming because the population has increased due to concerted management issues.
    2.US FEW has now returne  management of the now thriving gray wolf population to the State of Wyoming.
    3. The sate of Wyoming has updated its gray wolf management plan.
    4. They also post hunting requirements for hunting. The limit is 1 wolf per hunter per calendar year.

    The title of its thread makes it sound like President Obama has opened season on wolf hunting. I was envisioning Sarah Palin visiting Dick Cheney and tracking down the wolves in a helicopter with an assault rifle.

    http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/spe … mals/wolf/

    August 31, 2012 – Wyoming’s thriving population of gray wolves no longer requires the protection of the Endangered Species Act, allowing the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to return management to the State of Wyoming and write the final chapter in the remarkable comeback story of wolves in the Northern Rocky Mountains (NRM).  Beginning September 30th, wolves in Wyoming will be managed by the State under an approved management plan, as they are in the states of Idaho and Montana.  Wyoming’s regulatory framework will maintain the State’s share of a recovered NRM gray wolf population in the absence of the Act’s protections.

    The Service will continue to monitor the delisted wolf populations in all three states for a minimum of five years to ensure that they continue to sustain their recovery.  Although we do not expect it will ever be necessary, as with all recovered and delisted species, we may consider relisting, and even emergency relisting, if the available data ever demonstrates such an action is needed.

    Basic Information:
    Press Release August 31, 2012 Service Declares Wyoming Gray Wolf Recovered and Returns Management Authority to State
    Federal Register Notice:  Removal of the Gray Wolf in Wyoming from the Federal List of Endangered and Threatened Wildlife and Removal of the Wyoming Wolf Population’s Status as an Experimental Population
    Literature Cited

    1. Billy Hicks profile image89
      Billy Hicksposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      " I was envisioning Sarah Palin visiting Dick Cheney and tracking down the wolves in a helicopter with an assault rifle."

      Laughing at that one almost made me do a spit-take with my coffee. smile

      1. Denise Handlon profile image88
        Denise Handlonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol    Palin was the first thing that came to my mind when I read the title of this forum,    Hahahahahahahahahahahaaha

    2. habee profile image92
      habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I know it wasn't all Obama on either of these measures. Finally, we get bipartisanship...and this is an example?

      The WaPo article says, "The Obama administration" removed the wolves from the endangered/protected species list. That's why I said "Obama admin..."

      My problem isn't as much the hunting as it is the year-long season.

      From what I can find, it was Obama and Jon Tester (D) who fought to get the wolves removed from protected status. That obviously led to legalized wolf hunting.