Ladies - why are you going against the word of god?

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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
To me the entire theme behind this thread is a little control freaky. My view on religion is you have two extremes, one side that is overly preachy trying to convert people to their religion, and another side that claims people are hypocrites unless they live their life 100% according to the scriptures of their faith.

Modern women of many faiths often take the parts that work for them and do not have to comply 100% with everything written in a particular book of scriptures. Why should anyone care if women are outspoken and preach because I do not see a few of the vocal men on this thread quieting down anytime soon .
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Applauds SP's Insight

Sometimes men feel it necessary to be critical , or scoff and use half sentences ,when they feel threatened by a womens intelligence,or opionion.Sometimes its quite patronising and immature.
I have five brothers and three sisters , we were encouraged to debate very early in life ,but with a few simple rules.
Listen to the other person
Dont put down the other persons opinion
No name calling
Dont hog the floor
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So - the word of god is only the word of god on certain occasions? I get it - if the word of god agrees with what you think - it is the word of god. If not - well, I am sure you can find a good excuse to ignore it.
  
  Adjustable to suit in other words.
  
  When an atheist is being "self-seeking , self-orientated, concerned with only what serves you best." because he understand science. You are just "interpreting god's word" not ignoring it.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mark if you did that ,that would be fine ,but for some reason in order for you to follow your beliefs and value ,you have to find fault and scoff at another persons opinions.
  For a non-believer who has no respect for Gods Word to challenge those who do ,is well strange almost humurous.
  I am saved by grace ,not if I pass a test or not.
  Faith simply explained is believing in things unseen ,and hope for things to come.
  
  And what about the Christian Scientist? male or female) who has no problem understanding Creation.
  When I measure my life against the word of God I always come up short....but God is doing the measuring not man...see the difference
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Avoiding the question huh? I don't really blame you - you do not have a leg to stand on. I did not write the word of god - and you are the one claiming to be speaking for god. Except when the word of god does not suit you.
  
  I see the difference all right. You have the word of god.... when it suits you.
  
  Why are you going against the word of god?
  
  Like it says in the bible?
  
  Because........................
  
  Christian Scientist? What like L. Ron? Hypocrite.
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\Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago
sounds like you had a great upbringing
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jacobbsladdrposted 14 years ago
There is a difference between men and women, most of you know what those differences are. There is broad categories and generalizations and there are truths to those generalizations.
Men like to have their vanity stroked. They love praise and recognition.

Women want power….did I lie? Somebody want to disagree with me? Well it does go both ways. But make no mistake about it, women want power. Of course they are pretty clever, they often times have the power, but they let their husbands think that he has the power. But they know when they actually possess it. It’s like, ‘go on your silly little way sweet heart, but I know who’s in control.’

Men like to battle and be conquers. They enjoy watching war movies more than women. Woman enjoy watching soap operas more than men. Are these not generalizations? Yea, they’re generalizations.

One teacher educator said, ‘men give love to get sex, and women give sex to get love.’ Does that ring true? I think so, these are truisms. People learn this at a young age, girls at about 12, 13 or 14, they realize that they have some power over boys. It doesn’t take them long to figure out, what it’s all about.

Men think with their heads, women think with their hearts. Men take it for granted that they are far superior than women.

Women hate men for taking it for granted, that they are far superior than women. I don’t mean hate it, but you know they don’t like that vanity in men, that they automatically assume, ‘well I’m a man and I’m better than a woman.

What is the balance? Jesus Christ is the balance.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation (men and women), a royal priesthood (men and women), a holy nation (men and women), a peculiar people (men and women), that you (men and women) should show forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

That’s the calling, for men and women. It’s only one calling, to be in this royal priesthood, this kingly priesthood, the special generation, this holy nation. To be judges and lords, saviors and kings, you see. That is the calling.

There are no door keepers in the house of the Lord or the kingdom of the Lord. You know David said, I'd rather be a door keeper or whatever, but there are no door keepers. There is only this royal priesthood, this holy nation, these saviors and lords and kings and judges.

There are degrees of rewards, but the calling is one. He returns with His Saints, not with His Saints and lower strata of servants. No, they are all Saints, they are all one army, they are one people, they are all saviors. It doesn’t matter if you have a higher or lower reward in the kingdom, you’re all saviors, all kings, all lords, all priests, all judges. There is no low calling.

When He talks about Laodicea and He says, you are poor, miserable, wretched, blind, naked and all that, yet if they repent, not the least of which is to become like a little child - humble. What are you lifted up to? The throne of Jesus Christ. Everybody sits on His throne, there is no distinction.

Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten; therefore be zealous and repent.

v. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him and he with Me.

v. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne.

Of course where it says him or man, it’s talking about mankind. There is no such a thing as mankind and womankind. Womankind is included in mankind. We are hu-man, the man includes women. But notice it, “…To him (that person, male and female) who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne”!!!

Show me anybody that makes it into the kingdom of God, that has a lesser position.

1Peter 3:4 but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
v. 5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands:

v. 6 Even as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose children ye now are, as long as you do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

v. 7 Likewise ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honor unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, as being HEIRS TOGETHER of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

v. 8 Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous;

So these isolated scriptures which talk about, the man is over the wife and let the woman keep silent in the church, there is a purpose for that in the flesh. It is not a permanent, eternal destiny, that women are always going to be subject.

There is a reason why they are subject and it’s a good reason and it’s not anything demeaning. There is a reason the man is subject, there is a reason the church is subject and it’s all good. If you see evil in that, then you’ve got a perverted spirit. That’s all good, learn it and do it.

People sometimes try to second guess God. ‘I don’t believe if I follow God I’d be as happy, as when I sin.’ Well have you tried it? I tried it and I’ve never been happier.

I want you women to be encouraged. There is no such thing as a lower position, in the kingdom of God, than a man has. We are heirs together, so let yourselves be encouraged.

James says rejoice in the fiery trials. Because this is good stuff, this is more than gold and silver. You say, ‘I don’t know, give me gold and silver.’ But this is more valuable.
Don’t some of you women feel a little bit, that you have been a little lower than men, even from God’s perspective? I mean when we read scriptures like this, and here we have these apparent contradictions, when we read scriptures like Acts 10.

Act 10:34 And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Alright we’ll accept that, the word of God says it, we should believe it. Notice this in Corinthians.

2 Cor 6:18 And will be to you a Father, And ye shall be to Me sons and DAUGHTERS, says the Lord Almighty.

Did He leave women out? No, “sons and daughters.” Even though sons is used more often, daughters is in there, sons and daughters. God will be a Father to His sons and daughters. God is no respecter of persons.

Gal 3:28 There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be NO MALE AND FEMALE; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

There is no male or female, you’re all one, you’re sons and daughters. God is no respecter of persons.

But then on the other hand….did you know that there are over 1700 personal names in the Bible, names of people. It took me about 3 hours to learn this one statistic, so I hope you will appreciate what I’m going to tell you. Over 1700 personal names in the Bible, but there are only 104 that are women.

Wow, you’re out numbered 16 to 1, 1600 for the men, 104 for the women.

1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

Does that sting a little bit, women?

1 Tim 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

v. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

v. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

1 Cor 14:34 Let your women be silent in the churches;

Wow, does that sting a little bit women? I thought God was no respecter of persons. I thought there is no male and female. I thought we were sons and daughters in the kingdom of God. What is all this?

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

v. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

v. 24 Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

Does that sting a little bit ladies? Does that seem like a little bit of a put down? Do you see the same equality there with men? Here is another one.

Deu 24:1 When a man has taken a wife and married her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes, because he has found some uncleanness in her, then let him write her a bill of divorce and put it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

v. 2 And when she has departed from his house, she goes and becomes another man's;

v. 3 and the latter husband hates her and writes her a bill of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house;

or if the latter husband dies, he who took her to be his wife

v. 4 her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife after she is defiled.

And the Pharisees came to Christ and said, “can a man put away his wife for every cause?” (Matt 19:3)

Well what is this? Does that sound a little chauvinistic to you women? A man could put away his wife for any reason that she displeased him. Do we have a commandment like that for the women, that she could away her husband for any reason, is there such a commandment? No. Does that sound a little chauvinistic from the scripture to you? Does that sting a little bit when you read these things women and you say, ‘I’d like to believe that God is no respecter of persons, but it sure seems like maybe He’s a respecter of gender.’ And He calls the woman the weaker vessel, that might be thought of as a put down a little bit. The weaker vessel. Well I guess they could just bite their tongue and live by it and say, ‘I don’t quite understand it, but it does seem like we have been put down.’

The true of the matter is, that’s not true.
Now didn’t you know that I was going to say something like that. You didn’t think I was going to dig a hole that I couldn’t get out of, did you? Let’s go back to Ephesians so I can clear something up really fast here.

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

v. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife….

How? To lord it over her, to be the boss, to crack the whip, to insult her, to have her walk 3 paces behind him, to cover her face with a veil in public, like the Muslims? Is that what it means?

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

v. 24 Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

This is not as bad as it sounds, it is not nearly as bad as it might sounds to you women. You are subject to your husbands, in the same way that your husband and the church is subject to Jesus Christ. Now let’s ask ourselves is that a bad thing? That the church should be subject to Jesus Christ, is that a bad thing? Well of course not. First of all it puts Jesus Christ in the seat of responsibility, He has to love, provide and protect His church. Is that not comforting?

What is the analogy of the husband to the wife then? The same thing. The husband is to love, provide and protect his wife. This is a beautiful thing! This is not chauvinistic and there are lessons to be learned for both. Men should learn the finer traits of femininity. Women should learn the virtuous quality of masculinity.

The perfect balance in all of this is Jesus Christ, who created them both. If Jesus Christ created man and woman, male and female, don’t you think He drew upon something to come up with what they are? The creation came out of the mind of God. So there is no inequality there. They are both to learn. Just because the man is over the wife and the wife is subject to the husband, is not a degrading position anymore than the church being subject to Christ is a degrading position. It is a very honorable position. Can we not agree on that?

But I know what some of you are thinking, ‘but you don’t know my husband, he ain’t no Christ.’ I do know that. But Christ will deal with your husband if he uses or abuses you or whatever. By the way, there is no law in the scripture that says a husband can use and abuse his wife and children and she has to put up with it. The husband is not the god over the woman and she has rights.

You know it says, except for fornication, she be put away, you that commit adultery (Matt 5:32). So is that the only thing that can dissolve a marriage, adultery? Well actually it doesn’t say adultery, it says fornication and if you’re married, you can’t commit fornication, I mean not technically. If you’re married you can only, technically, commit adultery you see.

But the word fornication comes from the Greek word ‘porneia,’ like pornography - porneia.

It can mean a whole host of sins - immorality. If a husband will not provide for his family, Paul said he’s worse that an infidel. I mean he’s worse than if he had no religion at all, worse. That’s immorality, that grounds for leaving your husband. If he abuses the children, that’s porneia, that’s grounds for leaving your husband. If he beats you, that’s porneia, that’s immorality, that grounds for leaving.

Now don’t try to stretch your mind as to how thin you can take that. Like, ‘he said a cross word to me, I think Ray was saying that would probably be porneia.’ No, I’m talking about real abuse. You don’t need to stay in a abusive relationship, where you are beaten, where the children are abused, where your husband runs around like an ally cat, those all come under porneia - immorality. So God did not stick you in a situation that would be sheer hell and allowed no way to get out, He did not.

This shouldn’t be a problem to us, if we see that the proper relationship between the husband being over the wife, is the same as Christ being over the church. It shouldn’t be a problem with us. This is a beautiful thing. This is not chauvinism.

Now we have a lot of examples of men in the Bible doing and accomplishing great things. And we have examples of how these men are going to be rewarded and stuff. The 12 Apostles, they said, ‘we’ve left our families and forsaken our livelihood to come out and what will we get out of it?’ Christ said, you will sit on thrones and rule over the 12 tribes of Israel. Well what about the women? What about their wives? You know they are not even mentioned. So you read this stuff and you say, ‘I don’t know, it seems like it’s a man’s world,’ even from God’s perspective. So let’s see.

Women did serve in the church. I don’t have time to go through all of this, but Lydia provided a home for Paul (Acts 16). Phebe, it says she was a deaconess ( Rom 16)
How was Christ’s ministry financed? It wasn’t through tithes and offerings.

Luke 8:1 And it came to pass soon afterwards, that he went about through cities and villages, preaching and bringing the good tidings of the kingdom of God, and with him the twelve,

v. 2 and certain women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities: Mary that was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out,

v. 3 and Joanna the wife of Chuzas Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others (women), who ministered unto them OF THEIR SUBSTANCE.

And that means their possessions - their wealth - their money. How about that. Who financed the ministry of Jesus Christ and the 12 Apostles? Women, no men were mentioned, just some women, that’s pretty neat. But what about the big jobs?

Alright so they could finance the ministry and they could be deaconesses and stuff like that. But do we have examples of where God is going to set the women over the 12 tribes of Israel or something like that or is this all reserved for men?

We have an example of Joseph, who was a captive, slave in Egypt and God raised him all the way to the number 2 position, right under Pharaoh. And he was a slave!

We have Daniel, he was a slave in Babylon. God raised him all the way up right under King Nebuchadnezzar, and the whole Babylonian empire.

But what about women? Look what it says in I Corinthians.

1 Cor 10:11 Now these things happened unto them by way of example; and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.

That these types were written for our admonition.

When we read Joseph was raised up from slavery, to the second place under Pharaoh, that’s for our admonition. When we read about Daniel raising to the number 2 position in the Babylon empire, that’s for our admonition.

But what admonition do we have for women, where is that type? You could look at Ruth. She did pretty well. Ruth the Moabite, she went with her mother-in-law, when their husbands died and she said, ‘your God will be my God.’ She forsook paganism, went into a far country, said your God will be my God, she adopted their customs. She was willing to humble herself and go out in the fields and labor, as a common laborer.

Because she had a good heart and attitude, she was probably a looker too. Boaz, who owned all this property and was a leader, ended up marrying her. So she did good. But is that as high as we go with women? If they are lucky and they play their cards right, they’ll marry a rich man, they’ll get a sugar daddy. Is that as far as these examples take us?

What about the virtuous woman? Okay, what has God got in store for her?

Pro 31:1 The words of King Lemuel, the prophecy which his mother taught him.

It’s interesting that it says, “his mother taught him.” this is not a man telling other men, here’s what you look for in a good woman. Lempel ‘mother’ said, here’s what you look for in a good woman, a wife, you see.

Pro 31:10 Who can find a woman of virtue? For her value is far above rubies.

Rubies are worth more than diamonds, you know.

Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband trusts safely in her, so that he shall have no need of plunder.

v. 12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

v. 13 She seeks wool and flax, and works willingly with her hands.

v. 14 She is like the merchants' ships; she brings her food from afar.

Pro 31:15 She also rises while it is still night, and gives food to her household, and a share to her young women.

v. 16 She considers a field, and buys it….

I mean this woman has some entrepreneurial abilities. She goes out and evaluates property and real-estate and makes a purchase. And she plants a vineyard, with her own hands.

v. 16 ….with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard.

v. 17 She binds her loins with strength, and makes her arms strong.

v. 18 She sees that her merchandise is good; her lamp does not go out by night.

And all of these are, of course parables. I could site every phrase in here and it’s a parable.

Pro 31:19 She lays her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.

v. 20 She stretches out her hand to the poor; yea, she reaches forth her hands to the needy.

It’s a wonderful thing to see this in a woman. She just does it, you know.

Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household; for all her household are clothed with scarlet.

v. 22 She makes herself coverings; her clothing is silk and purple.

v. 23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sits among the elders of the land.

Why is her husband known? Because of this wife. That’s what it is saying.

So as in closing, I want to wish you health, happiness and prosperity. Along with all the trials, misery and tribulation and everything else that comes your way. I mean you will partake of both. There are times of joy and times of sorrow, they are all just as needful. It’s just very hard when you are not feeling good or looking good or seeing things very good or anticipating anything good, then it’s hard to think this is good. But you got to look beyond, to the goal. All these things are necessary.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That was a lomg post and I wasn't going to read it all, but you got something there that made me keep reading. I am glad that I read the whole thing. Yes it empowers women. I mean empowers as in gives them self-esteem.
  
  All things ae necessary---just like Mark and him getting the people to think. Yes they will be mad and then laugh at him, but he serves a purpose.
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LG, whether or not it was too long to read, it was sure as hell too long to quote!
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I am having a bit of difficulty posting period. Getting things to come to the screen is rather puzzling too. I thought about not quoting it, but it seems that HP was stuck trying to bring it up and then it posted that twice--then told me that message was not there anymore, but it was or is. It's been like this for 2 days now. I don't know what is going on. This message will take a bit to save too, I am sure of it and may come up twice. I don't have the time to sit and babysit it this evening. So I make my apologies now and will come back tomorrow. Hopefully it will be better! One can only hope eh?
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  LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hope it's sorted for you tomorrow.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I am having a bit of difficulty posting period. Getting things to come to the screen is rather puzzling too. I thought about not quoting it, but it seems that HP was stuck trying to bring it up and then it posted that twice--then told me that message was not there anymore, but it was or is. It's been like this for 2 days now. I don't know what is going on. This message will take a bit to save too, I am sure of it and may come up twice. I don't have the time to sit and babysit it this evening. So I make my apologies now and will come back tomorrow. Hopefully it will be better! One can only hope eh?
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  Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  in my opinion if somebody wants to learn some spiritual book in some details :
  he either learn the original language it has been written with or,
  read it on his mother tongue with being in close contact with a native for a period of time
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Where do I say ,I speak for God?
God doesnt need any man/woman to defend him
Who influences you by the way ?
A monkey
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So - you do not agree with the word of god? But atheists are self serving? Preacher woman...... Oh that ain't right - that is against the rules.
  
  Yup - I watch our cousins, the monkeys quite closely. Oddly enough, their behavior is not that much different - without the self awareness. Only difference is - the females know when to obey the males.
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Amanda Severnposted 14 years ago
Having seen the whacking great lists of biblical quotes, and the arguments going round and round in circles, I just remembered why I stopped visiting reigious hubs and forum threads. Night night people, I'm off to look for something gentler before I head for bed! YAWN!!
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chukra Gposted 14 years ago
coming back to the origin question. hmmmm this is just my humble opinion,

Now womans are against the words of god based on their EGO for feel the freedom and get a fair and equal life same as man. (this is acceptable), BUT in their actions they will dominate the world one day, but and then come back for the desire to man : ), and will follow the words of god i GUESS, but it will be too late and will starts something BAD, for the dominants to listen to the left out gender will starts something really bad.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  MAN has an EGO just as if not more than women. Didn't you read Jacobs post? If you are expecting bad, then bad will happen. If yu expect good and give respect to all then that is what you will get.
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  chukra Gposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i dont expect anything, and i think you misunderstand me, man and woman are same, the problem arised here because man think they are dominant here indirectly challenging woman's ego. and for me woman are stronger than man. for humans they are equal.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I see. Thank you for clearing that up. I also notice a bit of language barrier here too.
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sandra rinckposted 14 years ago
let's see here. if the "woman" in the bible is considered the body of christ's church and "woman" are not to preach... then, well I think we can draw a pretty defined conclusion from this.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  WOW!! Sandra you said it (without saying those words). You are quite good at subtle conclusions.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks CW!
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cindyvineposted 14 years ago
oh dear, are they still all running in circles over here
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fairdayposted 14 years ago
Whose god are you talking about, Mark? Some old war god? I just think that this issue was raised for controversy and the minuses are greater than the pluses.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whichever god these girls are pushing. I thought it was a genuine question. They have consistently declined to answer though.
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Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago
Was it not Eve who ate the forbidden fruit first? I may not be a god, but I've learned when a man tells a woman not to do something it seems to make her hell bent to do it anyway, or as we say down here in the south, "like sayin' sic um to a dog." Because Eve ate, so Adam was forced to do. This seems to be an analogy representing God's reason for the men to handle the religion end of things.

It does seem strange that an omnipotent being would not know this would happen. This is true of the flood too. Can God not foretell the future? Besides, who listens to a serpent?
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Adam had his own brain there bud! He didn't HAVE to do anything and wasn't it a guy--Satan that coerced (manipulated) Eve to eat that fruit?
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe Adam forgot to feed her.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's Mr. bud to you LadyG, LOL. I'm sorry but the old ""dam didn't have to eat the fruit" doesn't cut it. Why didn't Satan approach Adam first? Because ladies tend to listen to reasoning from attractive entities. Another analogy god made. This is why women aren't trusted to handle religion. And you avoided the question about God knowing Eve would eat the fruit. Did he know, or not?
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well that is an argument that has been going on for a very long time! God knows everything and God made everything and Everything Was Good in God's eyes---so there is no evil. He/She may have wanted to just stir the pot and get things going. Without anything to do there is no Karma and no Karma there isn't anything to do. He/She wanted to have a party, so he/she knew how to start it. LOL
  We're Having A Party! Wasn't there some ginggle about that or song--I have it im my head but can't seem to get it all. LOL LOL LOL
  Mr. Bud! Hahahahahahahahahaha A great thing for this rainy day!
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is the problem. So many times God seems to regret his own actions. Are you saying God creates things and regrets doing so, just for the heaven of it? I guess he could be bored, or else Mrs. God may nag him into it. Ha!
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sandra rinckposted 14 years ago
The real story.

Once upon a time there was this guy named God. Literally, that was his name. And one day he was roaming around the wilderness and came upon a river.

Now this man was pretty lonely being the only man alive at the time that one day when he came to this river that appeared out of know where in the dessert (because he had been deceived by a plethora of mirages) he doth was amazed.

When he looked into the water he saw another man and named him Adam. God couldn't understand where this man came from. So with his left hand he touched the water.

At the same time Adam touched the water with his right hand. God for the life of him could not figure it out. He told Adam to stop copying him but Adam didn't listen and was completely disobedient and it really ticked God off.

So God left. Then one evening he fell asleep under a tree and dreampt of a woman eating an apple and God was pretty hungry and called out to her saying "though shalt eat of all the fruits in the garden but that one, that is my apple." But God didn't know he was dreaming.

So when he told Evening not to eat it and she just straight up ignored him God got even more irate... because God was hungry and all.

God thought to himself, why do they just ignore me as though I am not here. Do I not have a mouth to speak and ears to hear? What is the cause of their ignorance?
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And then God was walking in the garden in the cool of the day and came upon Adam sewing fig leaves together. "What's going on Adam and where is Eve" he asked. Adam said "Well, you know Eve is talking to that snake again and I've got a bad feeling about it. But right now she's taking a bath in the stream." God turned and started running toward the stream yelling "Come on Adam we've got to get her out of the water or we'll never get the smell off of those fish."
  
  I know, this is a terrible joke, but I simply couldn't resist it.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, Sandra caught you off guard and you dindn't have a good come-back line! LOL LOL LOL
  You must do better than that if ya wanna stay in these here forums!! HAHAHAHA
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What do you expect from a rookie? A pore old country boy at that.
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Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago
This makes me wonder about something else. Why aren't there any jokes in the Bible? I know those Sunday morning sermons I was forced to sit through would have been better if the scriptures were not so dull and predictable. I think some of the books of the bible told about Jesus's penchant for practical jokes when he was young, but unfortunately these books were banned by people without a sense of humor.

Why is religion so dull?
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SparklingJewelposted 14 years ago
Well, from my studies and meditations, this is what I understand at this point in time.

The Word of "God" is a constant, and valid for someone at some point in time and space...but not everyone all the time.

The soul evolves along with the progressive revelations of God, it works both ways...souls evolve because of what they read in the Holy Books and the understandings of the Holy Books evolve because the soul seeks to understand them (the Holy Books).

In short, God's Word is not changing, but the souls of humanity are meant to more completely understand what God's Word means.

Just like the rest of the Universe, all matter and life is in a constant process of change.
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SparklingJewelposted 14 years ago
I look at prophets in this way. They all had their chapter to tell in the overall progressive revelation of who and what God and human life are all about. All prophets built upon the "foundation stones of Truth" of the ones before them. Even the ones that were not speaking total truth taught us something, how not to be like them. We just have to learn discrimination as discernment within our own soul and mind.

But I do have to say that Jesus as a prophet and teacher had a particular chapter to tell because he had attained the fullest manifestation of the Christ in every level of his consciousness-spiritual, mental, emotional and physical- which is what the resurrection is all about.

He came to teach us that we could do the same as he did in becoming the Christ...and I don't mean we all are intended to physically be nailed to a cross, but we have our own "crucifixcions" in life in order to desire what is beyond the human suffering and desire to reestablish our divinity in nature.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you. The ressurection of all of our dimensions of our "selves". All become ONE---At ONE Ment. I believe the Bible tells all this and much mnore--IF you can get passed what Men have screwed up and put in as fear because they really didn't know and men tend to fear the unknown. The men in those times were trying to get way from the opressive rule of the Roman Empire and as such uesed that fear in their writings. People must understand what was going on at the time of those writings. They wanted a way out.
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Lady Guinevereposted 14 years ago
Randy Godwin wrote: So true Lady G. Using sacred images to reference oneself seems desperate somehow, as if the persons arguments and statements cannot stand by themselves. We see this happen in all aspects of life. When is the last time you bought a hamburger at McDonalds which resembled the ones you see on TV?
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Well we don't get anything like what they show on TV. Ever go to Subway and get the same sub they have on TV--you won't get that. Nothing like that--not enough stuff in between the bread..........hmm--brain...religion......just thinking here people....
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Jewelsposted 14 years ago
"So well done Mohitmisra on being published. - Mrs twisted ,the congratulations was for getting ranked over Bibles and Qurans." I know what I said and I meant it. Wasn't twisted at all.

And this debate is not yours - last time I looked Hubpages Religious topics are not reserved for the soap box of Mohitmisra. And if you'll have a look at this particular topic you may find you are not supposed to have the monopoly you desire.

Mohitmisra, your petticoat is showing again! Remember an enlightened man does not put himself above anyone else. Go inside and listen to what you say. You are not following your own advice. Go inside yourself and stop this nonsense.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have the knowledge you don't, simple.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  mohit, why don't you stop seeing every argument as a pissing competition, you can make your point without having to declare yourself better than others, it smacks of Megalomania, is offensive and gets people off side quicker tha B.O.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It would be good if you at least acted as if you had the knowledge. Simple. I'm very happy with my knowledge, simple. I'm quite pleased I don't have your knowledge. Simple. Am pleased that every time you make a response you prove yourself to be less than. Simple. But please don't prove yourself to me, I don't need it. Simple. Prove yourself to yourself. Simple. Go inside grasshopper. Simple.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It would be good if you at least acted as if you had the knowledge. Simple.
  Six years as a full time poet, ranked so highly and you still need more ? Incredible.
  
  Do you want to get enlightened ? Do you think it is correct abusing an enlightened one? Would you like the same thing to happen to you after you get enlightened? Would you let an apprentice abuse you after enlightenment? Is this what your master has taught you? Do you abuse your master?
  
  You must have noticed I don't interfere in your discussions but you constantly but in and abuse me .
  
  BYE , BYE , BYE I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH YOU TILL YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN TEACH AN ENLIGHTENED ONE THE MEANING OF ENLIGHTENMENT.
  Bye Bye, Bye, Bye, Bye, Bye.
  
  You go inside student, the world needs my knowledge, something you don't have.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Writing a book proves nothing. It is your actions, your mannerisms, your intent that does not convince me of your supposed enlightenment. Did you know that even enlightened ones fall off their perch. Be careful of that. Bye bye bye bye Mohitsmira. Oh! By the way, I never said I was an apprentice. Stop assuming, that's very unenlightened of you. One never stops learning so one is always a student. When one says he/she no longer a student is perhaps fooling oneself.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I dont interfere in your conversation and call you by names, your actions and mannerism is disgusting.
  If you are not enlightened then you are an apprentice. Some feel they are masters by hearing about other peoples enlightenment, I call these people grand masters.
  Your basic problem is you have been seeking enlightenment for a very long time and have a grudge against me for being enlightened .Cannot help it, ask god why ?
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Jewelsposted 14 years ago
You do interfere and have in the past. I see you do it often in other peoples conversations. But that's ok, it's a discussion forum. Everyone can join in. If you want a pulpit get your own church. I'm direct perhaps but not disgusting. I thought you were going?
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Disgusting behavior.I am a lot more qualified than you to be on a religious forum, Why should I leave because of you?
  You will not be able to answer questions on spirituality which I will be able to do.I am needed here, not you.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mohitmisra, you need to listen to yourself. And only a few paragraphs ago you were the one saying bye bye bye bye.
  
  And I'm not really sure people are asking for your authoritarian religious responses. But go right ahead and express yourself. That's what the forums are for. And of course you are needed Mohitmisra.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  what are you foolishly laughing for? God has appointed me and I don't need anyone's permission.
  
  Is Usmanali correct in saying all should convert to Islam and follow Muhammad.?
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are becoming humorous and I love that I can laugh instead of being offended. It feels wonderful.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This again proves that you desperately need a Psychiatrist
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Go tell Muhammad that before coming to me. he was also called crazy by some, do you remember?
  Did you look up the rankings? What if my work is ranked with the Quran? You have so very conveniently missed it out, go back to your posts.Will you say forgive me o great master for my stupidity a thousand times if I post it again?
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Valerie Lynnposted 14 years ago
Hi,
There are many different ways when going about coming to a personal belief or collective conclusions on any subject; the content of this Hub included. One mistake commonly make in reaching "conclusions" is beginning with the conclusion, and anyone can find resources and references to support a preconceived belief or set of beliefs. This philosophy may work well for you and the men and women who share it. Birds of a feather, and etc. Good luck with that.

As you probably subscribe to, watching people, reading their Hubs, etc. can inform one greatly as to a few or many suspected character patterns. One thing you really emphasized throughout your Hub was the question, "does that sting a bit, ladies?" Something I have learned is when someone is a bit obsessive on an issue, ask "questions" in a manner that comes across as a foregone conclusion, purely for the purpose of "provacative" responses drawing ire from those who aren't as high on the ladder as you...isn't this a bit of a contradiction, like picking on the physically and cognitively inferior? I don't think this is a value you would declare as something you get off on, or that others should exploit. I conclude then, you believe women to be not only worthy adversaries, but formidable ones as well. A fact which disturbs you and you put much energy into dispelling as a stinging slap to your superiority philosphies. The Bible also says the meek shall inherit the earth; how does this jive with what you have presented here? I'm just suggesting, gently as a woman should, there are contradictions here, despite your care and laborious task in fnding Biblical verses to substantiate your hypothesis. This is fascinating; I love reading Hub that are written in reverse; I also share with you a great interest in the eccentricities and abilities of the human being to give substantive "proof" they have the inside perspective on the complexities of life, so that it is reduced, distilled down to a few paragraphs of the "indisputable" thoughts of one who will always remember the sting of feeling inferior and can empathize, in a kind of back door way, with women. People usually want what they have not been given in necessary quantity. For men, the strong, who don't need affection and to wish their egos petted for the assumption they are too strong for such pettiness, turns out this is what they need. For women, the weaker sex, power seems to be the thing they savor; I hate to make sweeping generalizations, though will since you seem okay with this approach. Well, nice reading your perspectives; very though provoking. Again, hope this really works for ya.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you use shorter sentences and break your text down into paragraphs, somebody might even be able to read it. As it is, I can't.
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Enelle Lambposted 14 years ago
Maybe it is just in our nature...not saying we like it (although some might)
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RKHenryposted 14 years ago
Aren't women suppose to wear something to cover their hair when attending church?

(Sorry if this a repeated question)
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  dennisemattposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  depends on the church.
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  RKHenryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Depends on the church? That's not what it says in the bible. I Googled it.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Biblical scriptures indicate that a woman's hair is her head covering. Islamic (though I may be wrong) says to shave your head to be exposed and naked before god if she had sinned... something like that.
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  RKHenryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Um, no Sandra. That IS not what the bible states. But whatever floats your boat.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  okay then bible thumper lol, what exactly does it say?
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  RKHenryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh Sandra. Don't tell me that this Atheist has just been requested by you, for a Sunday school lesson today. Really? Com'on girl, read the damn book for yourself. Got a bible? Read it lately? Hell fine, I'll be back.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  and this Atheist thinks you got something up your butt. lol. Love to help you out and chant to your ass but I don't think I want to go there.
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  RKHenryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh come on, its a real nice black, bubbly butt too. My bad for assuming. noted. But your standards are the funkiest damn set of "Atheist" standards I've ever ran across. But that goes without saying that I do have a nice ass.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well I got a nice ass too. A lot of people like to pray to it but I just tell them it really isn't necessary. I am sure you have a fine ass as well.
  
  Tell ya what, let's have an ass off!
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  RKHenryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What a good sport. But I think we have taken over this post long enough. I'll email you the lesson if you want it. Good people here, I'm sure are tired of us two bantering. Take care.
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Valerie Lynnposted 14 years ago
Okay, I will write in plain clear, and concise language.

You misused a widely honored, by men who designed research methods, to support your theory.

Men created the research method of beginning with an hypothesis. It then becomes incumbent upon the researcher to do a review of the literature and test out the hypothesis.

It is considered grave stupidity, by learned, Christian men, to begin with one's personal opinion, masked as a proof, and put together a shaky diatribe using fractured resources to support their emotionally based "results of a study."

I did not know I had stumbled upon a nest of misogynist collective ignorance. I particular like the comments by the African American man in support of prejudice against a minority group.

I don't debate certain things: in this case, the author harbors a major wound, a "stinging" wound dealt him no doubt by women rejecting him.

And no surprise, why should women like or listen to him when he likes men betta.

Get a superior boyfriend,or,if this offends, you can always move to Tehran, or Afghanistan, or someplace more "civilized" in their beliefs about what goes on between a man and a woman.

I am sorry you were so abused.
I hope someday you find a woman you can help yourself from hating and controlling, for fear of being stung, or less of a man, or whatever other insecurity eating away your very humanity.

I hope this was easier to read as well.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow Valerie, It must be great to be able to psychoanalyze people just by reading their posts on a forum, but I think you missed the whole point of the thread. Nobody is claiming women aren't as good as men.
  
  From what I understand it's all about what the Bible says about women speaking out or preaching about Christianity. Some scriptures point to this behavior as being wrong while some of the ladies posting think it isn't.
  
  By the way, your posts indicate you feel inferior to the males of the species. (kidding of course, but do you see what I mean?)
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
*stalking some food and drinks and waiting for Mark to appear*
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
Well during commercial I'd like to say that was a fine response Carrie.

I'm still waiting for the second reading. Wasn't it suppose to be from Psalms Mark?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can certainly point out the irrational hypocrisy in some of those if you wish.
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
Okay Reverend Mark.

But I'm interpreting it the same as millions have over the last 2000 years my friend.

Come on, you are suppose to be doing the preaching in this thread Mark.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh - the McDonalds argument again.
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
Not quite like a million burgers sold but that's funny.

Anyone just needs to read the whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 15 to get the proper interpretation.
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sandra rinckposted 14 years ago
Okay, so if Jesus said to follow the ten commandments and love thy neighbor... then how come Jesus himself was allowed to break the sabbath law?

If you say because doing a good work is good any day so it is not a sin to break the sabbath law, so why would Jesus preach about hypocrisy and turn around and break his how command?
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The very first thing the synagogue did was try to "trip" Jesus up about "breaking the Sabbath". I've written a hub called "A Message To the Churches" which shows what is written in the Bible regarding Jesus' experience, as well as the apostles in the synagogues. The law was given for man to be "righteous" before Jesus died on the cross. He came to fulfill the purpose of the law, which was to make men righteous through Him. We are no longer made righteous by the law, though we want to worship Him with our works. We are made righteous through accepting Jesus as our Savior.
  
  Regarding hypocrisy and what it means, please read my hub "Hypocrites! What Are They?" I think you will understand more then :-) God bless you!
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please stop criticizing Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) because these interpolated Bibles are NOT written by him. You will find Gospel of John, Mathew, Luke etc but not the GOSPEL of JESUS. So, don't put Jesus (pbuh) into blame. These are Pauls, Popes and Missionaries who changed the word of God, interpolated it for penny gains.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sandra, If anyone's interested, I wrote a hub called "A Message to the Churches" which shows how the Jews tried to first "trip up" Jesus with breaking the Sabbath because He healed on the Sabbath. It didn't stop there. Jesus is the very reason for the church! He is the One who saved us from the Law of sin and death. He is our righteousness. Be thankful to Him! Honor Him! Don't be as the Jewish religious hyprocrites, as Jesus called THEM! He is LORD! AMEN.
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Will Apseposted 14 years ago
Mark is the secular equivalent of those nice young men in suits who want you to read their pamphlets on a cold day in January AND discuss the state of soul in the middle of a busy intersection.
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Make Moneyposted 14 years ago
Hi Carrie, I read those three sets of verses the complete opposite to you regarding the Old Testament Law. Not the 10 Commandments because Jesus repeats them for us in the New Testament. Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament Law which Romans 10:4 and the others clearly state. You know what I mean, besides the 10 Commandments there were about 65 Old Testament Laws like stoning adulterers, an eye for an eye and such. Jews or Muslims would not even be able to adhere to those laws these days, especially in western countries. What I am trying to show usmanali81 is that it just does not make sense that heaven would fulfill the Mosaic Law threw the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ then reestablish the Mosaic Law again 600 years later for Muslims. It just doesn't make any sense. Here's another set of verses that shows that the Mosaic Law is fulfilled threw Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus, you, who some time were afar off, are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and breaking down the middle wall of partition, the enmities in his flesh: 15 Making void the law of commandments contained in decrees; that he might make the two in himself into one new man, making peace; 16 And might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross, killing the enmities in himself. 17 And coming, he preached peace to you that were afar off, and peace to them that were nigh. 18 For by him we have access both in one Spirit to the Father. 19 Now therefore you are no more strangers and foreigners; but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and the domestics of God, 20 Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone:

Edit: Carrie I see now that you agree when you write this, "The law was given for man to be "righteous" before Jesus died on the cross. He came to fulfill the purpose of the law, which was to make men righteous through Him." But I don't understand why you say this in your previous post "I do believe we need to show our love to the Lord and respect the Old Testament Laws, and indeed the Lord has moved me to worship on Saturdays (Messianic Jewish Synagogue)" To me this seems like a contradiction?
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know where my response went, so I write again. What I meant by observing the OT laws, is that of the 10 Commandments. The stonings and so forth were laws the Jews came up with. We are indeed set free from the purpose of the law, and I've written a hub called "Being Faithful to God" showing that we are the "bride of Christ" as His church and should wish to please Him. The 10 Commandments give us insight to God's heart. God bless everyone.
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  Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Right, I got you now and we are in full agreement. Thanks, God bless you too.
  
  There were three Covenants that God made with His people.
  
  Abrahamic Covenant: Not Revoked - Galatians 3:29 And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.
  
  Mosaic Covenant: (an eye for an eye and such) That has been superseded by the New Covenant after our Lord's Sacrifice (love your neighbors as yourself, even your enemies).
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What you are trying to tell me through Ephesians 2:13 ???
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ephesians 2:13 has to do with the grafting in of the Gentiles into the chosen tribes of Israel. I have a hub called "Who Are God's Elect?" that will go into this. The Gentiles were considered heathens and did not keep the Jewish laws. They are now grafted into the chosen tribes of Israel through Christ Jesus, so their righteousness did not and does not come from the law, but through Christ ~ the same for the Jews. Righteousness NOW comes through Christ, not the law. But, that doesn't negate the law that is pleasing to God; we should keep them because we love Him (that of the 10 Commandments), but more importantly the daily leading of the Holy Spirit in our lives who writes His daily laws of obedience on our hearts.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Usmanali is young and brainwashed, he has no idea what God or Allah really is.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If righteousness comes through Christ (pbuh) then why follow the commandments ??? why we should please God if righteousness already came through Christ ??? Moreover, these are the interpolations of Paul and are not the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh). Against the teaching of the Master (Jesus Christ) that salvation only comes through keeping of the commandments (Mathew 19:16-17), Paul nails the law and the commandments to the cross (Colossians 2:14) 1 and claims that salvation can only be obtained through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ:-"If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain." (1 Corinthians 15:14)
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  James 2:18 "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." We will be rewarded for the works He does through us. The law (10 Commandments) was/is a glimpse of what pleases God and because we love Him, we want to keep His commandments.
  
  Matthew 28:19-20 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
  
  John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
  
  We will fail. We will sin. His grace is greater than all our sin. There is only one unforgivable sin and that is to call the Holy Spirit unclean. Also, there will not be any more forgiveness of sin if one "divorces" God by worshiping other gods continually, thus crucifying to himself the Son of God and putting Him to open shame." (Hebrews 6:6).
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your reply did not answer my questions rather the quotations you made like John 14:21 and Mathew 28 are giving evidence that commandments are necessary for salvation.
  
  Also you are unable to defend Paul, the changer and interpolator of Bible
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Defend Paul of what? He spoke only the truth. We are not made RIGHTEOUS by the Law. We are made RIGHTEOUS by faith in Christ Jesus. We show our faith by our works. These scriptures speak for themselves.
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He did not speak the truth rather he spoke opposite to Jesus (pbuh)'s sayings. Jesus (pbuh) repeatidly told you the commandments are necessary but this Paul is saying opposite to Jesus (pbuh) and says commandments are not necessary. Paul had somehting very terribly wrong with Jesus (pbuh).
  
  You said you show faith by your works then why (i am sorry to say) NUNS are unable to die as VIRGINS ???
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Apostle Paul was previously Saul who was saved on the road to Damascus. Paul wrote over half of the New Testament. To call Paul someone who goes against Christ is blasphemous. He Himself was spoken to directly by the Lord and the Bible says that ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired by God (2 Tim 3:16).
  
  As far as nuns go, or any religion that says not to marry: 1 Tim 4:1-3 state "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Paul saw Jesus apparition or whatever on a rock when he was tking theifs to Damascus. Please get your information correct before the name calling. Paul was a roman soldier who was raised to bring in those who bleived that Ceasar was not the KING. He infiltrated and spied on may groups to get these people so that Rome could make a mockery of God and Jesus because Rome thought tha they were the KING and the Power and the Glory. They still do! Look at the Pope!
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  Paper Moonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There were two pauls. The one who changed his name was a johnny come lately.
  paul, saul was a flip flop. When it was more popular to crucify christians, he did. When the emprorers new girlfriend was christian, he found it more profitable to join the bandwagon. How any of his stuff got in the bible is beyond me. He was nothing more than a snake oil charmer. Word of God indeed! Why dont we let Newt write some new passages for the bible. Hmm?
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  From your last paragraph, do you mean that marriage is allowed in christianity ???
  
  Regarding Paul, please have the following
  
  THE ORIGINS OF CHRISTIANITY
  
  Historical facts reveal that Jesus (peace be on him) did not use the word Christianity. He and his followers used to worship in the temple which other Israelites used. The message of Jesus was to call people back to the religion of Abraham and Moses from which they had gone astray. After Jesus, Paul declared that belief in Jesus sufficed for salvation. The Jewish scholars of that time called the followers of Jesus the misguided sect of Nazarene or Galilaens. In 43 C.E., when Paul and Barnabas went to Antioch to preach, they were ridiculed and were called Christians by the masses. The ones who were called Christians felt that if they are being given a name in reference to Jesus, there is nothing wrong in accepting it. Westerners have used the similar concept in labelling Muslims as Mohammedans. Oddly enough, literature on "Mohammedans" is still in abundance in the Western libraries.
  
  PAUL ALTERED THE MESSAGE
  
  At the beginning, Paul was a staunch opponent of Jesus and remained so for many years after his ascension. When he did join the followers of Jesus later on, he initiated many alterations in the teachings of Jesus in hopes of winning over the Gentiles (non-Jewish people). He introduced the following concepts into Christianity:
  
  • the concept of Jesus as son of God;
  • Jesus died on the cross to wash eternal sins of Adam's children through his blood; and
  • the Law of Torah was renounced.
  
  Paul eliminated all regulations concerning food and abrogated the injunctions of circumcision. The real followers of Jesus opposed these blatant misrepresentations of the message of Jesus. Their struggle to reject the notion of Divinity of Jesus continued for about two hundred years. Since these alterations were very appealing to the Gentiles, the true believers were unable to stop the misguidance. In 325 C.E., a council of Christian leaders met at Nicaea and officiated Paul's beliefs as their religion. Roman Empire declared Paul's religion as the religion of the State and all those books which denied these beliefs were banned. In 367 C.E., the State announced a list of books acceptable to it and fifteen years later, a council held under the presidency of Pope Damasius gave its approval to these books. At the end of the fifth century, Pope Galasius published a list of unauthorized books (Apocryphal) to further conform with Paul's religion of Christianity.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think this is well written. However, Paul's message was that we are no longer made righteous by the law, which was the only purpose of the law. Jesus is our righteousness. He is the Messiah to the Jews first, then to the Greeks. I have a hub called "Who Are God's Elect" that goes into this further. The Jews seemed to love the law more than Jesus Christ. They felt righteous by the law and proud that they kept it. For this reason, they judged those who broke even one, thus Jesus called them "hypocrites", as they too were sinful...as proven by the one who kept every law was asked by Jesus to sell everything he had and give it to the poor. This only showed this man's sin was loving wealth, and his sin of pride. I hope you follow me here. Jesus came to fulfill the purpose of the law, which was to make men righteous before God.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  Is Jesus telling you to speak this crap......
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  usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  who the heck this Paul is to alter the message of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). You are unable to unswer my questions, strait forward. Also i made some comments on your hubs but you did not accept them. For that i have also written a hub in response to yours which is http://hubpages.com/hub/REPLY-TO-HEAVEN … -BY-CARRIE
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  blueraven6posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Paul/Saul has been confirmed by history as an agent for Rome who was sent to destroy the burgeoning Christians. He did a pretty good job. He sure doesn't teach what Christ taught.
  
  Blue Raven 6
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And what is your source you use to know what Christ taught? Sounds like you use something other than the Bible, in which case, Christ would not be your "prophet".
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kmackey32posted 14 years ago
OMG my husband can kiss my ass when it comes to him telling me what to do. PLEASE!!! I will never listen to one..........
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blueraven6posted 14 years ago
What did Christ say?

Love each other as if they are you, or words to that effect.

Love God, with all your heart, mind and soul.

That is the teaching of Christ, not the old testament of the Judeans.

Never forget it. Always practice it. It is the Law of the Universe, or of God.

Basic laws of the Universe itself will be violated at your own peril. Not after you die, but right now.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It also states that if you are busy doing your own thing and taking care of your own business that you wouldn't have time to think or tell others the wrong that they are doing.
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
Surely - if it belongs to Mark and me
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
Chances are she is doing it right now
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
A Man who truly loves and walking in His ways knows the worth of a woman, and he treats her as more precious than rubies

if that aint sexy and liberated you really are meeting the wrong kinda men.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  AMEN. They are very few, if any left!
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your husband is prolly too afraid to treat you any different.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My Husband is the Lord, and I am precious in His sight ~ all His children are! Those men who claimed to be saved and yet oppress the daughters of the Lord are truly deceived and revel in this sin.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Really! Wow, are you a virgin or a prostitute? I heard that Jesus loves prostitutes and virgins.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh so now your husband is Jesus, how very nice to have that. I mean he loves you and cares for you and all that and you are saved becaseu you are always in his presence. Must be nice to see people in the shops and restaurants look at YOUR man ....er Jesus. I didn't think he could be owned like that.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jeremiah 3:14 "Turn, O backsliding children, said the LORD; for I am married to you". One thing I know about God is He is the FAITHFUL HUSBAND who is NOT the father of LIES, and NEVER DIVORCES HIS BRIDE (the CHURCH).
  
  The church is called the "bride of Christ" (Ephesians 5:31-32). Indeed the New Jerusalem is likened to "a bride adorned for her husband" (Rev 21:2, 9)
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jeremiah 3:14 "Turn, O backsliding children, said the LORD; for I am married to you". One thing I know about God is He is the FAITHFUL HUSBAND who is NOT the father of LIES, and NEVER DIVORCES HIS BRIDE (the CHURCH).
  
  The church is called the "bride of Christ" (Ephesians 5:31-32). Indeed the New Jerusalem is likened to "a bride adorned for her husband" (Rev 21:2, 9)
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What is the rest of the paragraph my dear? Tell us what YOUR thoughts are becaseu they are of Jesus...am I correct? Jesus never spoke from a book---never!! He didn't learn froma book either. What does that tell you! He also said that we should go by a book? I guess you didn't read that in your Bible---where did it go and who took that out?
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  1 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." Matthew 4:4 "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No where does it say that the reproof in a book called the Bible.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ....Hey gals, Carrie knows without a doubt who the good men are and she has them all to herself!
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She doesn't have mine and mine wouldn't want her!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol is ok Carrie God made plenty to go around
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  somehow I suspect they would not be compatible sandra
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Say what you really think. I dare you.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  how many times would I need to be saying it
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  still can't say what you mean to say... too afraid that Jesus will smite you? Or perhaps it is better to keep how you really feel in your heart and speak no evil with your mouth.
  
  Roman 3:11 would be a good place for you to start.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That was mean-spirited. I don't have "men" in my life, only the Lord, and for that I am not ashamed. 1 Corinthians 7:34: "An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the affairs of the Lord, so that she may be holy in body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world, that is, about how she can please her husband."
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you are raising your child out of wedlock? Hmmmm how Christian of you.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying divorce is an unforgivable sin and that we should just abort the child or give her away? Shame on you!
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Shame on me? No no no no, what does the Bible say of illegitimate children. What does it say we shall do with them?
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you are as an illigitimate child since you follow the doctrines of your father, the devil, who claims all gods lead to the Father. You have not yet been adopted by Abba.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh so now his name is ABBA. How many names does this ONE God have? You would know too, huh! He only told you--how convenient. YOU ARE WRONG! EVERYTHING that GOD made was GOOD.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My business is none of yours to judge, LG. Take the log out of your own eye. You say Jesus is not the only way of salvation, meaning your sins are not forgiven you! Mine are, praise God! I am blameless in His sight.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why Carrie, you don't think that I looked you up? It says so right on your profile page! How else would I know that---hmmm I am God and can read your mind and your life and I know that you are a Sinner............get real!
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have a lot of learning to do about sin and forgiveness! 1 John 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." The truth is in me, and I don't claim to have no sin. Jesus is my righteousness and He has no sin. Like I said, you still have a ways to go to understand His salvation and His grace.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You make it more and more evident the little bit you claim to know....Galatians 4:6 "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Carrie Shut UP! I just read your Victims Of Abuse hub! You are not the only one who survived Rape either, but you will not allow anyone who has a differing opinion to post on you comments. That is turning Christ away---definately!!!!! You have not read about how Jesus went to people's houses disguised to see how he would be treated differently? Poor Soul of Yours. You make me sick!! Self Righteous and put yourself on that proverbial pedestal. Get off of it. You are no better than anyone else here on this earth. You disgust me!
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hebrews 13:2 "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by this some have entertained angels without knowing it." These are angels, not Jesus. Speaking from one victim to another, you have no excuse not to follow our only Lord, the only way, the one true God.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  she is scary. *shutter*
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She seems to think that she can do anything to anyone becasuse she knows that she is the only one who has God in her. She is sick. She thinks that she is the Holier Than Thou person. People get VERY turned off with those types of people.
  
  Carrie dear, you did it again--took the verse out of context. Sorry I will not look at your scripture that you use as a sword to HURT people and that is AGAINST what Jesus said to do.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LG, why don't you start quoting some scripture with your misguided translations? I haven't seen you yet post an actual scripture reference!
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You won't either becasue you will just tear it up and turn it around to make everyone see what you want them to see---and they won't. Then you will go on a tirade to make them see it and then call them names when they don't. Did I forget something there? You do the same thing that Mark tells you that you do. Turn it around to what you want it to mean.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see any scripture here either?
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ....and you can't read either. Re-read my post--I said that YOU WON'T see me use scripture here.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yeah LG, it's her business to judge yours.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, she knows right from wrong there, but won't read that Bible or the scriptures we have givien her! HYPOCRITE!! Cry wolf!
  She doesn't get what you or I are saying at all. All she knows is how to spread hate and fear---only it isn't coming to us that way because WE know Karma and Love. Go read her profile. She is the one tht is angry because she HAD to raise a child all by herself---you know the Oh poor little me crap. She isn't the only one who has had to do that and will not ber the only one. I bet right now she has changed her information! Cover her shining white pure behind, indeed! She is perfect but not one other person is. Give me a break--or the other god saying---Gag me with a Spoon!!! LOL
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Isaiah 54:17 ""No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their vindication is from Me," declares the LORD."
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Isaiah 54:17 ""No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their vindication is from Me," declares the LORD."
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean, mean spirited. You want me to share my partner with you? No thank you. I don't share like that.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That was an even worse thing to say! I suggest you stop while you're on a roll here. More and more evil is coming out of your heart.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OMFG! Are you serious. You want me to share my lover with you? Noway! ROTFLMAO!
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wannabwesternposted 14 years ago
I didn't read most of this conversation, but I have to ask you all, am I the only person who saw this post as a tongue-in-cheek baiting tactic?

You all just make me smile.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently - yes.
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
"Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence For Adam was first formed, then Eve."1 Timothy 2:11-13

Not a lot of room for interpretation here. Sorry. You are subservient - says it right there.

..But we have moved on and up :)from that one page
maranatha (and no thats not a typo)
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So why not move another one up and let go of these religious practices that hurt other people?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So - this is not the word of god?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  quoted out of context
  Gods word according to mark so nope
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  I agree - rewrite it to suit what you think. That is the way.
  
  You religionists are really quite entertaining - for monkeys.......
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Daughters of Jerusalem weep no more ...
Too blessed to be stressed
Too anointed to be disappointed

ooooaaaa...God is Good
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
The god of this world ( I wonder who that could be)

Is the author of confusion

And every kind of evil

seeking to destroy peace and all that is good.

Hey you go to doctor and he turns out to be a quack!

Does that mean medicine is wrong? or that all doctors are quacks?

Of course not.
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Sandra do you even know what Lord means???

geeze

I gotta take a break
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Barb Hposted 14 years ago
You are a Huge Sh..t Disturber and I love it. I bet you are having the best time ever yanking all these chains. I can’t believe how fast you made the time pass between flights. I hate sitting in airports. Keep disturbing……
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Blackngoldbananaposted 14 years ago
To a man in such a culture, having daughters is a burden, especially if you have a lot of them....I can't help but think that all these rules about modesty or punishing a women if she accidentally showed an ankle, were put in place as just an excuse to be rid of a daughter when she "broke" a rule.

In England, before the rule of Henry VIII, if a man had too many daughters, he sent them to live in a convent...that's why there was such an uproar when Henry came along and dismantled the abby ...they weren't great CAtholics, they just didn't have anywhere to stash their left over daughters.

That's why education for women is so important, learning to be able to take care of oneself and being modest can cohabitate.

But I can understand how women can feel protected in a burqa. There are days when I feel fat and my hair is a mess that I would love to have one.
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gjohnposted 14 years ago
This is true Mr. Knowles but these scripture only applies to those women under the law, the blood, Jesus Christ. There is also the scripture of which I can't recall off the top of my head that says " The Elect Lady.." which is the woman who was elected to preach, not that a man isn't still the headof her as well because every pastor has a pastor that is wiser than he because it also states "a teacher shall be as his master and not above his master...." No one is above teaching. the other half you failed to mention was while the women in submissive and all, the husband is to be her covering meaning he's to protect and provide for her her needs,emotionally, naturally and physically.. is why marriage exsist. A man is not to be a dictator or quote "the boss" Eph5:25 says "Husbands love your wives..as YOURSELF.." and as you continue to read it ensures the man will do his job as well as a woman having her job.
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
wow

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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  I second that "wow".
  
  I was away from HubPages for about a week, then I had a few days of being sick and wasn't on much - and this thread is still going strong. It's run about 600 posts beyond its original point and turned into a mini-compilation of sections of various religious books, cut and pasted (or else its just more "robot repetition").
  
  Someone should start a thread on religion and set the rules that nobody is allowed to quote ready-made ideas from any religious (or other, for that matter) sources. All contributors would be expected to use their own ideas and their own words to make their own points, and be expected to back up their ideas with something OTHER than references to ready-made quotes from religious books. People could try to pretend (in their own minds) they don't believe what they believe. They could think of how all different religions of the world can't possibly have all the right answers (if there is one truth for the whole world); and - imagine this - they could be brave enough to allow themselves to at least temporarily entertain the idea that their religion may not be passing out the right answers. No "robot-reciting" would be allowed. (As my mother used to say, "God gave you a good head. Use it. Be a leader. Don't be following other people.")
  
  Imagine that thread. I don't get why more religious threads aren't like that - but, nooooo, there's always the robot-reciting.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  On the contrary! Religion is based on a book or books. To take the book (the Bible) or any other religious books out of the religious forum makes it a humanistic forum, which should be a separate forum altogether.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yes, yes, religion is so superior to humanity that humanity be not recognized by religion because humanitarians are just evil.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  nah just a few of 'em
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Davinagirl3posted 14 years ago
This person obviously has a hatred and disdain for women that a woman is not going to be able to change. Prejudices, of any sort, are ignorant, and yet we all have them. Please, ladies, don't honor this ignorant man with responses to an ignorant question. Remember it was a woman who brought the news of the risen Jesus back to the disciples. It was to a woman, Jesus revealed himself. This thread is full of malice and should be discontinued.
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  Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  AMEN.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why because you are proving that you are just like the rest of us and not the one with the halo and holier than thou. Jesus never, ever said to be over people, in fact he hated that.
  Remember YOU chose to come in here--No One, Even Satan didn't tell you to do this. There is no Satan and No Evil--just choices and you make the wrong ones when you put yourself better than God's Children--who are all and everyone. Just Shut Up.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is never good to ASS-U-ME how anothers see things or where they have come from or even what they have been through to get to the position they are at right now. It is never appropriate to call people names and dis-respect them because they don't share the same experiences and their own conclusions they have gotten through their own reasoning. If you do not like what is being said here then get out. Why did you come to make just this one comment in the first place? Don't you know that your comments if they do not meet the qualifications of Carrie will put you in hell, no exceptions?
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
on this whole thread
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  Sufidreamerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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Carrie Bradshawposted 14 years ago
Is it any wonder who started this thread to begin with? What was the motive behind it? No reply necessary.
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Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago
Come on Sir Dent, we all love a good cat fight now and then.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  meeeeoooowwww...
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ppppuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrr
  
  Hey Sir Dent put that nasty thing away or Carrie will claim it to be hers too!
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Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago
Makes perfect sense to me!
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getpaidtopostposted 14 years ago
reported yujinwen spamming
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well done getpaidtopost, I think it is important to do this. Respect.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks. I didn't know what this person was talking about and it didn't match the topic or anything that was being discussed (yes Discussed) on it.
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fierycjposted 14 years ago
Cat fights are brilliant.
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Ladies - why are you going against the word of god?

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Ladies - why are you going against the word of god?

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