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Is it fair that Muslims Demand People Stop Saying Merry Christmas or

  1. Mark Psychedlic profile image61
    Mark Psychedlicposted 5 years ago

    Please read the link below....
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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The link didn't bring me to any actual News on the subject...

      I think what's been happening is more along the lines of "inclusion"---we're being urged to include other religions or to say "Happy Holidays".  It's being put forth as more of a "soft" attack on Christmas and a demand to say "Happy Ramadan" or whatever (ironically a deceptive tactic, 'cause why would Christians want to sanction an unChristian holiday specifically?)

      I hate the "all-inclusive" carp.  If people want to celebrate Ramadan or Hannukah or whatever, let them celebrate separately.  Christmas isn't the same as those celebrations.  They're free to join Christians in our celebrations honoring the Christ, but we shouldn't be forced to include nonChristian celebration in Christmas celebration. 
      It doesn't matter who or what might suggest, or demand, I stop saying Merry Christmas, I'll still say it!

      MERRY CHRISTMAS!!

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        http://blog.mlive.com/bradosphere/large_CARP.jpg

        One of these days Brenda...Onnnne of these days...

      2. livelonger profile image87
        livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        And I hope you have a delightful Hanukkah, Brenda!

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          Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I don't celebrate Hanukkah, but thanks for wishing me a "delightful" anything at all, livelonger.

          1. livelonger profile image87
            livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            smile There's the Christmas spirit!

          2. MelissaBarrett profile image61
            MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            and a happy Kwanzaa too!

            1. livelonger profile image87
              livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              lol

    2. nightwork4 profile image60
      nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      not in the least. christmas is part of our culture so they can leave if they don't like it.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Indeed.  smile

    3. Greekgeek profile image96
      Greekgeekposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Is it fair that Christians make us wear pink underwear?
      Is it fair that random posters can start an argument with a false generalization, demanding we respond to it as it if were fact?

      Come on, pull the other leg, it's got bells on.

    4. Sinbadsailorman profile image55
      Sinbadsailormanposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      If its Not Broke don't let someone try and fix It! Merry Christmas Every Body! And Happy Holidays to you Heathens Too GOD Bless Us everyone Amen.

    5. Don Crowson profile image78
      Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Is it fair that our freedom of speech and freedom of worship be negated because someone is offended by what we say.  Hey, look at the first amendment of our Constitution.  Tell those people that if they are offended by our constitution write one of their own in a land of slavery.  We are the freedom lovingpeople of the world.

      You do know that liberty is idolotry to the Musslim, right?

      1. A Troubled Man profile image60
        A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The Constitution does in fact allow you the freedom to offend us with your speech, however I don't know why anyone would want to pursue offending others and much worse than that, use the Constitution to defend themselves.

        1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
          MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          +1

          I don't get it either.  Just because the constitution defends the right to be an ass, doesn't mean that people have to use that right.

          If you are getting some deep-seeded sadistic glee out of wishing someone Merry Christmas (just to prove you can)... you're doing it wrong.

          1. Don Crowson profile image78
            Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So when they stop tto pray, they are not offending any one.  Is freedom of speech and freedom of religion right for one or all?

            Making an ass of yourself is in the mind of the beholder just as being offended is in the eye of the beholder.

            1. LookingForWalden profile image61
              LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Are we arguing the legality of it or the tact of saying it to someone who obviously isn't Christian?

              1. Greek One profile image77
                Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The only solution is convert said individual and therefore make the greeting more meaningful and less uncomfortable for all concerned

              2. Don Crowson profile image78
                Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                We should not be arguing the legality of it because it is obviously legal.  And I don't believe that anyone would say "Merry Christmas" to someone who is obviously not ChristiaN.  Doyou know anyone like that?  I don't

                1. LookingForWalden profile image61
                  LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  So what is your point?

                  You bring up Muslims stopping traffic in America to pray.
                  Where does this happen and what does it have to do with anything?

                  We have laws which protect my son from learning your beliefs (creationism) and muslim beliefs.

                  See America is great!

                  1. Don Crowson profile image78
                    Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    My point is that the Cponstitution grants freedom of speech and freedom of religion.  Specifically the Constitution says the Congress cannot abridge the free exercise. Conc;lusion The Christian and the Muslim have to right to practice their religion as long as it does not deprive another of his/her rights.   the right "Not to be offended" is not one of the rights in the Constitution.

            2. MelissaBarrett profile image61
              MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              So the very best thing to do to get even with them is to wish them Merry Christmas?

              Once again, you are doing this whole "Merry Christmas" thing wrong.

              There is a difference between saying "Merry Christmas" to someone of another faith and unwittingly offending them and malicious "Merry Christmases" to those you know don't share your views just so you can say "HA HA, I can say it and you can't stop me, I win"

              There is also a difference between a religious observance and a greeting.  One is required by faith, the other is completely voluntary.

              But yes, you "generally" have the right to say Merry Christmas to anyone you like.  I would go now to the nearest Mosque and scream it at the top of your lungs.  That'll show them.

              1. Don Crowson profile image78
                Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Where are you getting the assumption that anyone is wishing a non Christian "Merry Christmas."  If a person knows another person is a non Christian, he doesn not wish that person "Merry Christmas.

            3. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              If and when you stop to pray, do you think you're not offending others?

              Our eyes also behold, Don. smile

              1. Don Crowson profile image78
                Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I can pray sillently and no one will ever know.  Is that offending you?  How do you know what I am thinking?  Does my thinking offend you.  No wonder you chose to call yourself a Troubled man. Sounds as though you are easily offended.  Perhaps the smell of the world is your upper lip.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Perhaps, but I've walked into restaurants where Christians are praying and praising Jesus for their abundance.

                  Usually, they're offended by our conversations while they're praying. smile



                  Your beliefs can be offensive, but I haven't seen anything to give me cause to scrutinize your thoughts.

                   

                  Insulting me personally is also offensive, Don. Was that your intent?

                  1. Don Crowson profile image78
                    Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    No, it was not my intent to insult you, but that does illustrate the point of how you can become offended without cause.  Right?

        2. Don Crowson profile image78
          Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So tell me, wjhy is saying "Merry Christmas" more offensive that have the Muslims stop traffic to pray five times a day?  Wow, double standards?

          1. LookingForWalden profile image61
            LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Where does this happen?

            1. Don Crowson profile image78
              Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              In every Muslim country and it has happened in the US.  Check it out,

              1. LookingForWalden profile image61
                LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Where in the us do Muslims stop in the middle of the road to pray?

                Is there YouTube videos of this?

                What does anything that happens Ina Muslim country have to do with us?

                1. Don Crowson profile image78
                  Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Nothing unless they desire to force their beliefs on us.

          2. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I don't know about stopping traffic, Don.

            But, just because both you and the Muslims have the right to practice your religions doesn't mean you're not going to be offended by those practices.

            I am most certainly offended by Christians and Muslims equally for evangelizing their religions, but I'll stand by their right to do so.

            The problem isn't about rights, Don. The problem lies within the practice of evangelizing itself.

            1. Don Crowson profile image78
              Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              How sad. Christians and commanded to "Go and make Disciples."  Now it thatoffends you, the next time someone tries to evangelize you, just tell them politly that you are not interested.  Hey, a litle politeness takes care of every situation.

              1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                It is far more polite to NOT evangelize your religion.

                If someone wishes to not take responsibility for their actions of evangelizing their religion and use the defense that Jesus is commanding them, then the authorities have no choice but to stop them on the grounds of insanity. They might even be considered dangerous to the public and have to be taken into custody for their own protection.

                1. Don Crowson profile image78
                  Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  So you state your opinion.  IUf everyone had your popinion no one would respond to the evangelistic call.  But not everyone has your opinion.  so don't judge the rest of the world  by your own thoughts.  Let those who will respond.  The message is Whosoever will may come.  Sostay away.  Your choice.  But people are free to ask in a Constitutional Republic such as ours.

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                    A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    So, who exactly is supposed to respond to the evangelistic call?

                    If someone already follows another religion, they don't want to hear it.

                    If someone does not follow a religion, they don't want to hear it, either.

                    If someone is a Christian already, no need to spread the word to them.

                    So, who is left to evangelize, Don?



                    Yes, you are free to disrespect, alienate, and spread hatred to others with your speech, Don. We already covered that.

              2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                My God commands me to urinate on the intruders...

                See how that works?

  2. Stevennix2001 profile image82
    Stevennix2001posted 5 years ago

    I don't know.  I just tell people "Happy Holidays" to avoid the issue altogether.  This way even if the person is an atheist, I can always say that I COULD be referring to New Year's.  big_smile

  3. pennyofheaven profile image82
    pennyofheavenposted 5 years ago

    That would depend on whether you're Muslim or not. If you're not Muslim it wouldn't matter what they demand would it?

    1. Don Crowson profile image78
      Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That's true, Penny.  The complainer gets the attention and Muslims are the complainers in this case.I believe you might lose  your head if you said "Merry Crhistmas" in a Muslim country.  Religios intolerance is practice by some liberals in this counhtry.

      1. A Troubled Man profile image60
        A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol Yes Don, in a religious state, you might not be able to freely practice your religion. That is why you live in a Secular state that allows you those freedoms. If we lived in a Christian state, for example, you might be the one wielding the axe.

        1. Don Crowson profile image78
          Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" ias the proper thing to do.  that is unless you wish som bigot a "Merry Christmas" and offend the bigot.  Why have you been agreeing with me allof this time and argueing the point.  Mertry Christmas.

          1. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I wouldn't agree. Christ has nothing to do with the pagan Yule celebration or December 25 other than that was the date chosen when the Julian calendar was adopted.

             

            Would that make the person who is offended by Muslims praying also a bigot?

            1. Don Crowson profile image78
              Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hey, Dec 25 is the accepted time, and I am aware of the reasons why.  But that doesn't matter does it?

              Only if that person insists that his way is the only way.  In a free society, shouldn't all have the same rights?

      2. Pcunix profile image89
        Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, nonsense.

        It's not "intolerant" to suggest that you ought to keep your fantasies to yourself.

        1. Don Crowson profile image78
          Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          In a free society you should be able to express your thoughts regardless how insane they are.,  I have noticed that some liberal minded people object to free speech.  But why would they not object.  They hate everyone who disagrees with them.  Right?  At least that MHO

          1. Pcunix profile image89
            Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, Don, you have a 'right". Polite people don't annoy others with our inner foolishness.  Proselytizing is annoying - but you don't care, right?

            1. Don Crowson profile image78
              Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              So, If I asked you to talk about the Lord Jesus Christ, and you told me you weren't6 interested, I would drop it at that.  But how am I supposed to know that you aren't interested until I ask? And if you get annoyed simply becau8se I ask in a po0lite manner, you proved my point.  Right? I would not know that you were a bigot until you reacted in an uncouth manner  In fact, it would indicate that you lack self control.

              1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                :rollseyes:

                Cause only bigots are annoyed constant conversion attempts.

                1. Don Crowson profile image78
                  Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  rolleyes, you are the one who used the constan.  I specifially limited the conservation to one question.  If the person is not interested, let it go,  Was that not what I said?

                  1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                    MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Has it occurred to you at all that non-Christians and even Christians like myself who are not apparently not Christian enough are harassed on a regular basis by those wishing to talk to us about Jesus.  You are not the only worker on God's Great Referral Program.  If ten people a day asked you if you wanted to talk about Buddha for 15 or 20 years, how would you feel?

                  2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                    A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    We are not interested in hearing about your religion. Is that clear? Do you need for me to repeat it again? Can you stop evangelizing now and try to respect the wants and needs of others?

                    Thanks muchly.

              2. Pcunix profile image89
                Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                If I walked up to you and  started telling you that religion is irrational, you'd be annoyed.

                But I wouldn't do that.  I wouldn't ever do that to anyone.

                1. Don Crowson profile image78
                  Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  No, I would not be annoyed.  I would simply leave you unless you want to reason your point.  There si nothing like good debate to reach the truth.  Now if you are unreasonable, I would not attempt to reason with a closed mind.  And I hope you wouldn't either.

          2. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Sure, no problem, why anyone would want to do such a thing and then defend their insane thoughts with the right to free speech is baffling.

            Is that really what you believe free speech to be?

            Usually, free speech allows intelligence to prevail over oppression or ignorance, not the other way round.

            1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
              MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And you...  Do you really care whether the Muslims are offended by Christians or vice versa?  How do you have a dog in this fight?

              1. Don Crowson profile image78
                Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well, I assume the Constitution gives everyone the right to practice his religion as he wishes.  that's why the country was formed.  Religious freedom.  so my dog i9n the fight is that if one religion has rigts that the others do not have, there is oppression. Religious and political freedom is the essence of our Constitution. It can be lost by those who deny rights to some while extending the same rights to others.  Equal rights is my dog in the fight.

                1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                  MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Wow, so wasn't talking to you.  I know what your dog is in this fight... convert the unwashed masses by attacking them with malicious "Merry Christmases"  Still would like to see you stand outside a mosque wishing everyone a Merry Christmas.

                  1. Don Crowson profile image78
                    Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Soory, it was my mistake.

                2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  We know that not to be true by the fact that you are offended by Muslims praying and stopping traffic. You believe you have the right to evangelize your religion which means taking it out from behind closed doors and making it a public issue. You are further offended if people are offended by your evangelizing.

                  I see no equal rights there.

                  1. Don Crowson profile image78
                    Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I( did not say that I was offended by that.  I simply used that as an example for equal rights among all religions.  Don't put words in my mouth.

              2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Of course, we have to stop the religious conflict and wars. It has to end or it will be the undoing of us all.

                1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                  MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Err... Okay, so have you chosen a side to throw down with... oh great peacemaker?

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                    A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    My side is for human beings, uniting mankind, that sort of thingy...

                    Religions make sure that will never happen.

            2. Don Crowson profile image78
              Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Exactly, Troubled Man, and when you deny someone to speak you may well stop the besrt solution.  You assume that the ignorance cannotbe corrected by intelligentr reasoning of others.  It can, and as you point out it usually is.

  4. kirstenblog profile image76
    kirstenblogposted 5 years ago

    The last school I worked at had a high population of Muslim families. When christmas came round I thought it would be best to wish everyone a happy holiday. When I had the Muslim mom's (sometimes dad's but less often since they didn't do the school run) all started saying "Merry Christmas" to me, well I got over it. I never had one get upset if I said marry christmas and when I talked to them about it they thought it was silly to be upset over someone wishing you well, whatever the holiday or reason. Sense is not something that everyone has tho.... hmm

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    I think it's a grand holiday that was cultivated by the Christians. Maybe Muslims who are offended should not participate. I don't hear anyone up in arms about recognizing Ramadan.

  6. LeanMan profile image82
    LeanManposted 5 years ago

    When I was in Saudi Arabia I was often told merry Christmas by work colleges and friends as the holiday approached, I even received official work emails - whilst I worked the whole day as it is not recognized as an actual holiday..lol

    The point is if the people in the birth place of the Muslim religion can say it then there really is no problem... It is just idiots who try to make a big deal about their and others religions that spoil these things!!

    1. Paraglider profile image89
      Paragliderposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I thought you were still in Saudi. Are you still in the Gulf?

      1. LeanMan profile image82
        LeanManposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Para, have taken a year out to relax in the Philippines as my wife has had a baby..

        1. Paraglider profile image89
          Paragliderposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Ah, OK - congratulations and enjoy your year out together!

  7. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago

    A bunch of religious zealots trying to tell others how to greet us during December?

    Thank God Christians don't do that roll

  8. Alecia Murphy profile image91
    Alecia Murphyposted 5 years ago

    I have a hard time saying Happy Holidays. I grew up saying Merry Christmas because most everyone I know celebrates Christmas. In the south, it's almost assumed so I just say Merry Christmas. I don't mean to offend anyone but it's a hard habit to break and sometimes when I do try to say Happy Holidays, I feel like it's hard not to offend people who only celebrate Christmas. I think this makes me realize that saying Have a Nice Day is better than anything else. But like I said, it's not meant to offend, it's a part of my culture and faith.

  9. Richard Craig profile image75
    Richard Craigposted 5 years ago

    If we have to respect their culture and traditions, shouldn't they respect others?

  10. waynet profile image50
    waynetposted 5 years ago

    Nothing in life is fair!

  11. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 5 years ago

    I usually greet someone with "Merry Christmas non-believer!... you will no doubt burn in Hell one day, so please enjoy the cool winter while you can oh you soon-to-be-damned."

    Then I direct them to one of my Hubs and ask that they click on any link that they might find interesting

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That is a violation of HP TOS. 

      May you burn in Hell for all eternity.

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Good Morning to you too, Ron! smile

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
          Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Don't tell me what kind of morning to have mad

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            Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            ROFL!

  12. Perspycacious profile image79
    Perspycaciousposted 5 years ago

    Good teaching from my 103 year old Mom:  "Your rights end at the end of the other guy's nose!"  Sure wish other guys had moms such as mine.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What does that mean?

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It means blowing your nose on people who want to take away your rights will lead to a long happy life.

  13. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 5 years ago

    it means Muslims are nosy

  14. prettydarkhorse profile image64
    prettydarkhorseposted 5 years ago

    And "Ramadan Mubarak" too Ms. Brenda!

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    Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago

    Oh you guys are fun fun!

    Happy Easter (Resurrection Day) in advance!  (Wonder how many well-wishes I'll lose there)......

  16. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 5 years ago

    http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/filestorage/not-remotely-terrified-wishing-ramadan-ecard-someecards.jpg

  17. aware profile image71
    awareposted 5 years ago

    in the right hand are two words. they are  "happy holidays" .
    I've never  had someone turn those words down for the two i hold in my left.
    which are "F You".
    for that I'm thankful.

    1. profile image0
      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Ah...and we're back to being soooo politically-correct...

    2. profile image0
      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Merry Christmas, aware!

  18. aware profile image71
    awareposted 5 years ago

    ill stop . dang .

  19. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago

    Happy Carp revenge on Brenda day.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Bring 'em on!  The carp, I mean.  They're pretty good eatin'.

  20. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 5 years ago

    http://womanhonorthyself.com/wp-admin/images/christm-as%20toon.gif

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Now that's about what it could come down to.

  21. Perspycacious profile image79
    Perspycaciousposted 5 years ago

    My comment meant that we can do almost anything, but once we physically harm another person we have gone too far.  Ask my Mom, she'll explain it to  you.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks.  I was just askin'.
      I had thought maybe you meant something different.

  22. Disappearinghead profile image88
    Disappearingheadposted 5 years ago

    What?! People are bringing religion into Christmas these days? Whatever next? Tuh!

  23. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    If someone wishes me happy Ramadan, I thank them.
    If someone wishes me happy Hanukkah, I thank them.
    I'm not Muslim or Jewish. I'll take any sort of good wishes I can get! I'll never understand how anyone can feel offended by hearing "merry Christmas."

  24. profile image0
    Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago

    What's up with the change in the thread title, I wonder?  At least....from my view it now shows symbols that weren't there before....

  25. mistyhorizon2003 profile image88
    mistyhorizon2003posted 5 years ago

    All I can say is 'Yuletide Greetings to All' wink

  26. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_w-8JKaTohe4/TLC49UXyz5I/AAAAAAAAdkw/qUqHpnAFAI8/s1600/fsm_boop_christmas_card.JPG

  27. brotheryochanan profile image60
    brotheryochananposted 5 years ago

    Christmas
    Something i am very happy not to participate in but i am neither inclined to be all legalistic about it.

    Romans 14:5   One person esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every person be fully persuaded in his own mind.

    I don't think particulars are important so long as we remember to walk in mercy and that we adhere to the principles of The Christian Way and that is to give all year round.

  28. aware profile image71
    awareposted 5 years ago

    Brenda ty  . the holidays  aren't the same  when the kids have all grown  and the toy trains  no longer run around    colorful wrapped  boxes.
    tends to put me in a   foul mood.

  29. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago

    In my 55 years of life no one has ever gotten offended if I have said Merry Christmas or demanded I not say it...

    1. Reality Bytes profile image92
      Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The same here.  I have never met a Muslim that showed anything but respect and compassion.

      I do not believe in Muslim bogeymen.  I do believe in psychotic individuals that are filled with hate, I do not think they are defined by race, religion or sexual identities.

    2. MelissaBarrett profile image61
      MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Neither have I.  Although, to be honest, I don't randomly greet people I don't know with "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays".

      Those that I do know, I know enough about their lives to know which holiday they celebrate and greet them appropriately.   It's not anything I ever really thought of consciously, but it just seems to be good manners to me.

      1. Pcunix profile image89
        Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm probably one of the nastiest and most militant atheists here.

        If you know I am an atheist and wish me a Merry Xmas I'll ..

        Wish you one back.

        It's a time of year.  It has zero religious significance to a large number of people.  The tree matters, the presents, the food matters and the religious part doesn't mean squat.   It's exactly the same as "Happy Fourth of July!" to most of us.

        Now, "Praise Jesus" will get you an unfriendly look.  But that's the extent of my reaction to that too.   In fact, I'd almost rather you DID say something like that.  It's always good to know who the, umm, excessively religious people, are.  Forewarned, forearmed..

        1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
          MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          *Grins Evilly* 

          Joyous Festivus Pcunix!

          1. Pcunix profile image89
            Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            And the very same to you,  with extra wrestling, of course.

            1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
              MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I do so like the wrestling... I'm serving Jello in the hopes that we can incorporate it into our celebration.

  30. Jean Bakula profile image94
    Jean Bakulaposted 5 years ago

    A Muslim person never demanded, or even asked me to stop saying Merry Christmas. I think everyone gets too carried away with political correctness. I extend my Ramadan wishes to them, but their holy days are usually solemn, and don't have the party sense that many Christian holidays have. I live in NJ and we have a large Muslim population here. We have everybody here, and in spite of being an overpopulated state, we work it out pretty well, I think. It's the same with Jewish people, their New Year is solemn, they atone for what they have done that may have hurt another. I made a mistake of wishing somebody a "Happy" one once, and had it explained to me. I am not Christian, but have been celebrating Merry Christmas' all my life, and will continue to say it that way.

  31. LookingForWalden profile image61
    LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago

    I'm still waiting for footage of Muslims stopping traffic in America to pray on the roads...

  32. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago

    http://www.slapupsidethehead.com/wp-content/media/2010/08/weird-carolers.jpg

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      Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol

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    Cranfordjsposted 5 years ago

    Happy winter solstice for me!

  34. Druid Dude profile image61
    Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago

    Why not just humor them? Tolerance is a virtue. Intolerance just leads to division, hatred and bloodshed. In the words of Rodney King"Can't we all just get along?"

    1. Jean Bakula profile image94
      Jean Bakulaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Words of wisdom, Druid Dude. The Muslim people in the company where my husband works asked if there was a spare room where they could observe their prayer times. The boss was an enlightened and kind person, and asked what they needed. They had no need of anything, but the room was repainted and recarpeted. They have to face Mecca, and  on Ramadan, both of them, it begins and ends with the phase of the moon. Something I know lots about. Times when my family members were sick, or worse, died, many of those Muslim people said special prayers for me. I'll take any I can get, because the intent behind them was good, and I was very touched. Why do people always want to think the worst about each other?

  35. Lady_E profile image82
    Lady_Eposted 5 years ago

    No Muslim in my area has been against people saying Happy Xmas. I and other Christians also wish them a Happy Ramadan for their Celebrations.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This all reminds me of Scrooge and Jacob Marley. Too many Griches running around. They just need a nice eggnog spiked w/ rum.

      1. Druid Dude profile image61
        Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I have a merry christmas hub up. run it every year. I'm not a christian, but I also don't cotton to people being intolerant of others.

  36. MelissaBarrett profile image61
    MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago

    You do realize that if you have free speech to offend someone, they also have the same free speech to cuss you out when you do such... They also have the free speech to ask you not to do it again...

    And... free speech is only free speech in public areas.  If I own a business, I can tell you to leave if you offend me.  I can tell my employees what or what not they can talk about if they wish to keep their job, I can kick you out of my house if you say something that angers me...

    The funny thing is that free speech is only in public areas, but, conversely, there is also separation of church and state in the same areas... cool eh?

    1. Don Crowson profile image78
      Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly and with separation of church and state, we are losing the rights to free speech.  Cool.  Indeed it is.

      1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
        MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No, you aren't.  You just don't have big brother to back you up.  It then becomes on the individual to believe whatever they wish without having it governmentally sanctioned.  America isn't a Christian country... it never was and I pray to God that it never is.  Christianity is just the major religion.  If it can't keep it's followers without relying on laws to force people to follow it, then it needs to either evolve or die.

        1. Don Crowson profile image78
          Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly why when big brother doesn't back you up, they have limited your freedom of speech. Look at what is happening in Europe.  Hate Crimes are committed by speakers,  and it is also happening in the US.  We are limited by the government as to what we may say; therefore, freedom of speech is is no longer a right.

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
            MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Wow...  That entire reply made no sense at all.

            You understand that you do have the right to talk about your religion all you want in areas where your free speech is protected?  Freedom of speech only means that the Government won't prosecute you for what you say.  It doesn't mean that the Government needs to stand up for your views.

            The Government is not limiting what you say.  I'm not sure where the hell you are getting that they are...

            However the government can and will limit what it allows itself and it's employees to say.  It has to protect freedom of religion.

            1. Don Crowson profile image78
              Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And you do realize that when they limit the places that I may speak my religious views, they have prohibited the free exercise of my religion.  And if you say that it is not frre on public property, I would ask you why not?  Hey, anyone can say anything in the privacy of their own home. 

              And John Kerry wanted to shut down the Tea Party.  so we do have people who would deny others the right to speak.  You need to study a little more US history.  It has been revised.

              1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                WHERE does the government limit your freedom of speech?  Let me know and I will protest them myself.  Seriously, with big signs. 

                What the government does is limit it's own speech.  It hasn't done jack to limit yours.

                Thanks, I've studied American history.  What exactly do you want to debate about it?

                1. Don Crowson profile image78
                  Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You won't believe it but here it is.  I heard it on ABC NEWS butthis is the first source I found.

                  http://www.christianpost.com/news/praye … tery-52927

                  1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                    MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    If the allegations are true, it means that a cemetery official overstepped his authority and it is being investigated.  That is not a governmental limiting of your freedom of religion... as a matter of fact the fact that it is under investigation is a sign that those freedoms are being protected.

                  2. LookingForWalden profile image61
                    LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I see accusations by a third party to practices that are being denied by the VA.
                    No facts.

                    I lol hard when it said this guy went "undercover" to a funeral.

                  3. A Troubled Man profile image60
                    A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    “The Obama administration continues to prevent the word ‘God’ from being used at the funerals of our heroes,” said Rep. John Culberson (R-Texas). “It’s unacceptable and I’m going to put a stop to it as fast as humanly possible.”


                    There ARE atheists in foxholes, Don. There are also soldiers who are not Christians. John Culberson is trying to force his Christian beliefs on others.

                2. LookingForWalden profile image61
                  LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Evangelicals aren't happy with just having the same rights as all of us.
                  They need to have it in our government, our schools, tv, radio, everywhere.

                  1. Don Crowson profile image78
                    Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You have stated an opinion that you cannot support with documentation.

              2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Just as you have the right to speak your religious views, we have the right to make sure we don't hear them. smile

      2. Pcunix profile image89
        Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That is beyond ridiculous.

        You have every right to practice your religion.  Nobody will interfere with that and if they ever tried, you'd even find atheists like me standing beside you to shout them down.

        YOUR fantasies have no place in OUR government. That's what separation of church and state is about and our founding fathers put it there TO PROTECT YOUR RELIGION.

        1. Don Crowson profile image78
          Don Crowsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly the point, Pcunix.  You deny evangelicals a role in government and let everyohne else have a role in government.

            It is the same with abortion.  It was illegal for nearly two centuries and now the law has changed.  The Constitution is the same, but the interpretation is different.  Therefore, we now prohibit anyone with the former belief from serving in government.  Why?  Because some people believe they are right and others believe they are wrong.  And you wouldexclude Evangelicals solely on your belief that they have no place in government. 

          Can you not see your flaws?

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
            MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I vote against evangelicals because they can't seem to separate their religion from their jobs.  No one is denying evangelicals a role in the government but the voters.

            Abortion is legal because the supreme court ruled that it was.  If pro-lifers don't get elected because of their views then the PUBLIC decides that.

            I would take that as a sign that the majority of people don't like your rules.  That's the way democracy works...

            I don't like the evangelical viewpoint... I don't want them to create laws when their judgement is hazed by their religious viewpoints.  I don't want to be held to their standards because, quite honestly, I find most of the evangelical viewpoints to be sinful.

            Now, how hard would you be screaming for separation of church and state if the majority of lawmakers suddenly converted to Hinduism?

          2. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Evangelicals are dangerous, not only to themselves, but to other people, which is why they are NOT allowed any power position.
            Abortion is about women's rights. Get over it.
            Yes, society evolves and continues to evolve toward equality.
            This interpretation?
            Answered in my first statement. They are dangerous to themselves and others.
            No, we can tell the difference between who and what type of people are dangerous. Yes, I realize that the pathetic politicians already in office are just as dangerous, but at least RELIGION is left out it.
            It's not a matter of that, they are dangerous, more so than others.
            Apparently, you cannot see the flaws which are directly pointed out to you. Thus, talking to you will only lead nowhere.

            1. Captain Redbeard profile image60
              Captain Redbeardposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I don’t want to start any crap I am just curious how abortion can be reconciled as lawful with it directly impedes an Americans first right of three in, "Life, Liberty and The Pursuit Of Happiness"

              Like I said, I don't want to start a war over this post just a thought that came to me when reading your post Cagsil, BTW good to have you back!

              1. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You're looking at it from the wrong perspective to begin with, which is why you've reached the conclusion you've reached. Not a surprise for someone with a religious frame of mind. It's lawful simply due to the rights of women. However, without having to post a long post explaining....let me just point you in the direction of a hub I wrote that addresses this particular topic, considering I am a rights advocate.

                Individual Rights versus General Morality is the name of the hub I wrote that explains. Be my guest to have at it. wink

                Thank you, much appreciated and it's good to be back.

                1. Captain Redbeard profile image60
                  Captain Redbeardposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  That was kind of a cheap shot neutral
                  If I wanted to talk about it in a religion context I would have done so.

                  I'll read the hub, thanks.

                  1. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    It wasn't meant as a cheap shot, but most people who are against abortion, or better yet against pro-choice are religious folk. It's a fact and there's no two ways about it. It wasn't personal, just truth.

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                Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Are you claiming that a fetus is an American citizen? I think you'd be alone in making such a determination.

                1. Captain Redbeard profile image60
                  Captain Redbeardposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Why are you trying to stir the waters? Are your purposely being so obtuse and arduous or accidentally?

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                  Hellazeppposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It would be difficult to get tax collectors to its home.

              3. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                lol

          3. Pcunix profile image89
            Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            What?

            Excluded from government?  Our government is full of religious fruitcakes!!

          4. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            We can see your flaws. No one can deny an evangelical to serve in government, there are laws for that and we all uphold them.

            However, the evangelical MUST keep his religious beliefs out of the government, just like any other elected official must do, whether they are Muslim, whatever...

            Are you saying, Don, that an evangelical in government should be following Jesus command to make Disciples while he's doing his job?

  37. Kim Cantrell profile image61
    Kim Cantrellposted 5 years ago

    Lots of funny replies here!

    My take:  I say "Merry Christmas."  Don't like it?  Ignore me.   Don't know how?  Consult my children, they do it very well.

  38. LookingForWalden profile image61
    LookingForWaldenposted 5 years ago

    Fact. Evangelicals believe humans and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time.

    This is what makes me lose respect for them intellectually.

    How, in good conscience, can anyone elect them to office?

 
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