What will happon to the people that don't make it?
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ya right...god who can see his own son die so brutally, that god would definitely burn those who care a damn about him..at times it is difficult to make difference between god and devil...I agree with everything you said tlmcgaa70, except for your last line. He does not have to prove His love for us, but even you said that by His actions we can know and understand His love... So basically you are saying He proved His love to us by His actions...
and I agree. He didn't have to, but He did.
Human beings love stories and movies about love and we love seeing people doing heroic things to prove their love for one another... risking their lives, their reputation, or whatever in an attempt to prove love for another. We are wired that way. It is how we think. It is how we feel.
The ultimate love story is all about showing love... proving love... bringing love... creating in us the capacity to understand and give and receive love.
My theory: God created a circumstance that us humans would get ourselves into, that is sin. Then He designed the remedy to be something that would cause Himself a great amount of pain. WHY WOULD HE DO THAT? Why not save us through His almighty power and with a giant display of power!!! He humbled Himself, and endured a ridiculous amount of pain, and carried on Himself ALL of the sin of the world, from the beginning through eternity, and died for us... without one single supporter trying to save Him. He did it alone. he did it for us. WHY WHY WHY??? Because of LOVE! It was love that compelled Him. He wanted to show us love by enduring pain on behalf of us... how could anyone deny that? Did He not create the system? Did He not create the remedy? Did He not create good and evil? Did He not create Satan? Did He not KNOW exactly what was going to happen even before it did and does??? Jesus was crucified BEFORE the foundations of the earth were laid! This was the plan form the beginning. Follow that through and read into the implications of all of that. God is love, and loves us unconditionally, and proved it to us, not out of obligation but out of LOVE for us.
I missed it for years, but now I see it. Narrow is the way and few will find it, oh but when they/we do, it is AMAZING! Everyone enters in, but most take the wide gate... look where the majority are at and then consider where you are.
I was a hardcore mainstream Christian for most of my life. I studied the materials of some of the most respected Bible teachers on the planet. I taught what I had learned to others. I developed discipleship curriculum for our student ministry program. I was also a music minister. I developed an intense church planning manual designed with principles I learned from countless business books and leadership/teamwork books and more, all for the cause of saving people from hell. I was a creation science buff, and a prophecy buff. I know mainstream theology just as good or better than most Christians sitting in the pews today. I know that side because I lived it to an extreme for most of my life.
Do not think for a moment that I leave out certain Bible passages to pacify my theory. Even in all of my studies before, I never even knew that the idea of everyone making it even existed, until my brother approached me with it. We both set out to DISPROVE it so we could "save" our crazy fellow youth minister. We went through an extremely thorough process to do so and could not disprove it, and ended up believing it ourselves.
I used many translations (KJV,NIV, NKJV,NLT), along with the Greek and Hebrew dictionary. I read every passage in all four Bibles and checked absolutely every word in the dictionary. I would read slowly, consider all possible meanings of the passage, then apply that to the big picture, or the whole of the Bible. I would then begin to ask any questions that would arise out of that process. I would then hypothesize and then search out the answers to those questions, knowing what I should see if a particular hypothesis was to be supported. I did this for all hypotheses and then draw a more final conclusion, or a theory.
This process went on and on for months before I felt satisfied in all areas related to answering the question of whether or not everyone will go to heaven.
My book is my full statement, or the final result of my studies. It answers all the questions that I asked along the way. Whether it be belief, choice, the end times and all related events, hell, etc.... it is dealt with in the 252 pages that we wrote. Putting only an excerpt out only ends up leaving the reader with more questions. Though some may disagree, and many do, the book at least makes my entire case and connects all of the dots within my ideas.
Using only one verse at a time, or even one small passage at a time, to support a theory is like looking at a picture one pixel at a time and then telling someone what the whole thing really looks like. It does not work that way. The whole of the text must be considered. For instance, your verse from Revelation by itself completely disagrees with Romans 5:18 by itself... proof that one pixel at a time does not work.
When I stepped back and looked at the big picture and began asking all of the hard questions, and then started hunting for answers, the Lake of Fire and in fact ALL of the places that were supposed to support the idea of hell, became clear and the concept of a place for eternal punishment VANISHED before my eyes.
I deal with every hard question and run from none, because I do not care about my ego or my theory as much as I care about knowing the truth. Can you do the same?
- cottageindustryposted 11 years ago
0 God is the chief loony.
luved the the thread title!
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