Is rhyming poetry losing its charm?

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   mirajrahaposted 15 years ago

   with all the free verse ruling the market today?

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      XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        I don't think so. all my hubs are rhyming poetries, and they get a lot of good reviews.

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      Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I write for me, and some to share,
      But if it rhymes, I don't much care.

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         ralwusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Well good for you Dan. LOL

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      manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      
      Wat'cha sayin'....Themz fightin' words...!!!

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         ralwusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Is that you Jethro? LOL

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            manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Yepper...ralwus fellar'...I be Jethro Bodine here...don't like all that fancy talkin' bout....how ri-min' po-at-tree is luzzin' itz charm...Folks around these partz-been fuedin' over dat fery thang for yearz...!

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         Am I dead, yet?posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         xD ROFL!

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            manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            There you are...Glad to see ya' around...Am I dead...Hope all is good?

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   ralwusposted 15 years ago

   It does seem to be true with editors and publishing companies. the old Masters of the craft are probably cringing. One cannot hardly do a children's book like Cat In the Hat.

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      mirajrahaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      that's exactly my point.

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   mirajrahaposted 15 years ago

   but I heard the publishers prefer free verse to rhyming.

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   XTASISposted 15 years ago

   Anyway, poetry is dying. And it's a sad thing !

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      mirajrahaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      why do you say that?and in what reference?

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         XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

           Becuse no  important publisher is interested  in poetry. Some not even in the well known ones.

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            Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            OK, lol.  This is simply NOT true.  Of course you are never going to make any money off of poetry...unless you become a well-known tenured professor, and then it is salary...not money off the poetry itself.
            
            There are all kinds of publishers.  "Important?"  You mean like Bantam Books or something?  Because, again, you are not going to make money off of poetry.  There are important and well-known publishers to poets, however.  Look at Poets & Writers magazine, for starters.
            
            And we have actually seen a great flowering of poetry and people who want to write poetry since the late 80's and the creation of the first MFA programs in writing at universities.  Now almost every college has a program.  Also, the internet has made it possible so that people can easily publish their work...I'd wager there is more of an audience for poetry than there ever has been in history.
            
            There are even publications that cater to metered and rhymed poetry--but no, that's not considered 'modern,' however, if that's what you like, OK.  There is an audience for it.  There is even an audience for people who only want to write sonnets, .

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               tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                 I think it depends where you are living. Don't you think ? If you're in Brazil ,for example, nobody'sgoing to publish your poetry

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   ralwusposted 15 years ago

   Well it seems prose poetry is the emperor with no clothes as many of the poems  are really a bunch of nonsense by people who try to outdo others with stuff only they understand. That's my reflection on it, you know, like  many of the poet laureates who become politicized and aim to please and are bound by their title losing their freedom to write at will and with true heart.

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      XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        That's so true ! That's why I said poetry is dying. What you find in the market today is pure rubbish

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         Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Perhaps it is where one looks?

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            ralwusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Yes that is true. there are good prose poets out there.

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      Rochelle Frankposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      That's my take, as well. In fact I wrote a hub on "The Emporer's new Poem".

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         ralwusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I will have to read that, thanks.

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   Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

   I miss those rhyming poems and can sit quietly enjoying a book of poems. Shopping for some are just horrors indeed n leave me wondering...where is that person coming from? lol ..no flow, emotion, sense of something I miss it, yeah

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   mirajrahaposted 15 years ago

   though I write both forms,I also prefer rhyming poems because it challenges you to work within rules and force your creativity to write stronger sentences.
   
   btw i haven't posted my story poems yet they are all rhyming.but they are also very long.

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      XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        You can write them in 2 or 3 hubs. That would be easier for everybody to read. I would be interested. Hub them !

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   ralwusposted 15 years ago

   Rhyming does tie one down. It is very difficult to write some things properly by having to search for a word or two that will rhyme. So one is tied to that. I think that is the number one reason it is now looked down on. E A Poe had no problems with it nor did any of the other greats.

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      XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Maybe they had more time to think and use their brain. No much brain using nowadays LOL!

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      mirajrahaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      E A Poe is a great poet to pick rawlus(sir),he seemed to do it so effortlessly.
      
      The Raven is one of many finest examples.

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   ralwusposted 15 years ago

   Maybe your right. Everyone in a hurry. I just have fun with it myself.

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    Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

    Yeah, playing around with the consonants n vowels it can be fun.

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    badcompany99posted 15 years ago

    I am finding this thread sad as I love prowse poetry but I guess in todays Modern World the youth gain their prowse through the words on their Ipods, tis sad !

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    Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

    They busy tryin to make some rap song more like it lol

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       XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         But some rap song are great. The words are witty. I like rap when it's good

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       badcompany99posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Jeeeez I am even sadder now, and I wasn't going to drink tonight but now, methinks I might

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          XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe you should

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          \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          any excuse ha ha

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    Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

    Great...now I am the cause of drink

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       CabinGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Cheers, Big Ears !
       
       See that Rhymed

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    ralwusposted 15 years ago

    I love knitting our alphabet into a good poem wither way. I just discovered an new poet here too. XTASIS! good stuff

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       XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Well, thank you so much !. I'm new here, so I don't know many people. Do you write poetry hubs as well ?

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          ralwusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Let's  just say that I can make one weep or laugh. My peace poems are my pride I reckon. But I do love my er, erotic ones also.

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             XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I will check them as soon as I can !

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                mirajrahaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I agree xtasis is cool,so are you ralwus(Sir).

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    CabinGirlposted 15 years ago

    Poetry will never lose it's charm not as long as my fingers can dance on my keyboard

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    ralwusposted 15 years ago

    Yes, you too are quite gifted.

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    ralwusposted 15 years ago

    Art you are way too cool! LOL my previous comment was for you.

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       CabinGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       My friend you are one cool dude yerself, now all I need to do is learn yer qualities as a person. I thank you !

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          ralwusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          You have them within my friend, just use them and I thank you.

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    Valerie Fposted 15 years ago

    You might want to attend a poetry slam sometime if you haven't already. At the ones I've seen, meter, rhyme, all those things that can supposedly tie a poet down, along with spectacular displays of wordplay tend to go over very well with audiences, while free verse might not be as popular.
    
    Some poetry readings I've heard become very much like rap performances. But then, what's rap but the poetry of the urban poor given a beat?

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    I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 15 years ago

    I hope that all poetry on any given platform prevails. I many times do not rhyme many because I have found pleasure in my own style (away from boundaries)from my heart. Yet, for enjoyment or to re-stimulate myself I will read my favs and poetry with rhythm helps set a great tone.

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    RooBeeposted 15 years ago

    rest easy, my friend
    rhyme has not met its end
    it is going quite strong
    and has all along
    while this one is pure cheese
    and deserves no more than a sneeze
    there are rhymey poems galore
    that with the critics still do score

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    Beth100posted 15 years ago

    If rhyming is losing charm
    Then poetry is in harm
    
    As you can read when rhyming
    One maintains constant timing
    
    A few good words written here
    Summing up ideas from there
    
    Pretty soon and you shall see
    A poem written by thee
    
    

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    europewalkerposted 15 years ago

    I prefer to write poems that rhyme, even though it can be tough at times to find the right words to rhyme with, just makes me think harder and explore the world of vocabulary.

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    sexkittenposted 15 years ago

    Poetry is fun and all that, but I am totally hopeless with it.  If asked to pick out the top notch poetry I would probably pick the wrong poem.  I actually think some of the poetry amateurs write is best because they are doing it for fun.

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    Leta Sposted 15 years ago

    Let's see you write a sexy panty poem, there sexkitten.  Maybe something with 'purring' in it...or g-strings, who knows...use your imagination, .
    
    Tantrum...  Well, yeah, there is an audience for Spanish language poets.  Heard of Pablo Neruda?  Talk to Teresa McGurk sometime!  She's published in English and Spanish.

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       tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         In Brazil you speak portughese, not spanish.   Do you know brazilian poets ?

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          Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Last time I checked, the languages were similar.  And Neruda is is Chilean.  Point is, there are poets who write in all languages.  Sometimes...just sometimes...there is translation, too!
          
          BTW, you are reminding me, in your posts, of Misha.  ???? Hmmmm.

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             tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Nothing similar between portughese and spanish.  And poets who write in all languages ?? please ! you're talking about translation here, i think

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                Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                How dare you! Sacred sources say otherwise!

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             blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             no way!
             tantrum, can that be?  now it's clear, your comment earlier today in another discussion re: the famous celebrity.  mums the word.

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                Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                It's easily checked by staff. Send email to the team, they will confirm I have nothing to do with Tantrum

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                   Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Good!

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       sexkittenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Just wanted to say thanks for the encouragement. If I ever do write a panty poem I will keep your words in mind.  Your poetry sounds really cool by the way .

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    Jane@CMposted 15 years ago

    I love poetry.  I like reading the poems written by other hubbers.  I went out on a limb on night & actually posted one of my own - that was scary and I was pleasantly surprised at the response!
    
    I read poetry to my children all the time & they both love it now.  My son is actually really good at writing it himself, its very tender work from a tough 13 year old

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    Why don't you accept being ignorant in this topic ?

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       Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Lita? Admitting to being ignorant? No way! She has 7 MAs and 11 BAs!

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          Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Bye, Bye, Misha...
          
          Why don't you bother somebody else with the above mentioned traits and a different photo, ? 

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Um, I'm a fairly well published poet who was writing and had my first work published at age 12 (?) I studied it all through college and graduate school.
       
       To answer in your language, and, uh, poetically, it is a sacred cow to me...very doubtful it is to you.  (That is both putting myself down and you up...so be happy.)

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          tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            You are so ignorant that it makes me laugh   I wonder what  have you studied at school ?! not knowing the differences about languages ??  !! O M G 

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             Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             This was supposed to be a positive post.  You have turned it into a joke.  It's ridiculous.  There are other places and other much more interesting posters you can 'play' with. 
             
             I am not impressed with your rantings.

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                tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm very impressed with your ignorance !

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                   Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Good.  With trolls, that is usually a compliment.  I'll take it for what it is.

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                      tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Who are you trying to fool ? your self ??

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    May be it is my unique way of flirting with you?

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    And I'm not Misha and not flirting with you. You're not my type. Hate ignorance !

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    Maybe i'm a troll. You are an ignorant !

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I completely accept that.  Thank you very much.  I appreciate you pointing it out.
       
       Please accept my apology for anything I have done.

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          tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

           

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    Leta Sposted 15 years ago

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference … Portuguese

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       tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         latin roots in common. that's all. It's the same to say german is like english. You're still not understanding   Ignorants are like that and I can't  do anything about it !

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          Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Did you read the link?  It is from an unbiased source.  (I didn't write it.)  And why do you seem to enjoy harassment and also calling people names?
          
          What did you study?  If at all?  Because I don't see much evidence of any sort of appreciation for anything like that in anything you say, anywhere.  IE, spelling, punctuation, and tone.
          
          FYI, English is a Germanic language, but the two diverged long ago. 
          
          My post was an encouragement to poets out there who seemed to think poetry is dying.  It isn't.  You have turned a positive thing into a negative thing, and I don't understand it at all.  I never have.  And it does make me angry...You cannot bring yourself up by bringing others down.  There are a few universal laws in life--this is one of them.

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    Don't reply anymore I'm spanish and  I have lots of cousins in Portugal and Brazil !! So Please !!!

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       It doesn't matter.  I've seen your posts all over.  My last answer stands.

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          tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          So you took the trouble??¡!! Well. I wouldn't have imagined I was so important to you. I'm not going to take the trouble to see yours. I'm sure a bunch of proud ignorant remarks

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             Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             That's because apparently, you don't value others very much...or what is important to them.  That's evident, too.  That's why (and you are common, not mysterious) you post on the internet as you do.
             
             Again, you do NOT bring yourself up by bringing others down...especially for no reason.  I'm sure your life reflects your thoughts, actually.  And I would bet you know that well, too.

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                tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I really can't care less what you think You're ignorant and that's it. So whatever you say It's not going to conceal that fact. Suit yourself thinking what you want of me. BE my guest !!

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    Being so childish doesn't speak well of you. And remember : Spanish and portuguese are different languages, just as english and german

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Oh, let's hear something obvious!  Brilliant, truly.  Fine lines and distinctions are obviously beyond you.  That's why you need to stay out of anything approaching poetry.
       
       It would be nice if you learned how to spell and punctuate in the language you choose to write, in, however.
       
       And remember, this is a writing site.  This is a writer's thread.  Maybe you should learn a little bit about it before you post anything.  And trolling gets less and less exiting, I'm sure, with the number of aliases you have and the older you get.  Can't really make a career...or much of anything...out of unintelligible, schizophrenic posts.  FYI, it does indeed piss me off that they've let a slew of your kind in here.

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          tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          It looks you feel touched You're so transparent that I'm feeling pitty for you!

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    Cris Aposted 15 years ago

    I'm forever charmed by poetry - regardless of genre, structure and meaning. A good poem is always good for the soul

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       And I hope to God Tantrum is not you, Chris.  I'd be so disappointed.

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          Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          He-he, Chris got his dose, too
          
          You should know better when to post and when not to post

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             Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Ridiculous, Misha.
             
             All you understand is flirting and...I don't know.  Frankly, it gets silly.  Makes people want to go back to using ID photos as avatars.  Chris, on the other hand, gets art...he'll understand what I'm saying.

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                Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Nah, Tantrum is ridiculous, not me

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                   tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                       Coming from you !

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                      Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Hey, even though it is not my native language, sometimes I can play, too

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    Leta Sposted 15 years ago

    I'm a career writer.  Your presence deadens this thread.
    
    "Pity" is the correct spelling. I am completely transparent about what I find important.  You should be so lucky.

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       tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         A career writer should know about languages at least.  And think before posting facts if you're not sure

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    @ lita
    
    and you're so ignorant that you're going on and on with this ridiculous tantrum !!!

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I am going on and on because you freaks are ruining what was a good thing.  So many good people have left because of these sorts of issues.

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          tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            So why don't you leave,? Such a good person as you !

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    Cris Aposted 15 years ago

    @Lita - I've been reading the posts here, it must be a first in the Arts forum (no, wait! I remember that thread about modern art. Where is that hubber anyway? LOL) And no, I'm not tantrum. My alter ego is focused on writing adsense-friendly hubs and does not participate in the Forums.
    
    @misha - can't blame her

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, but that other one at least was bright and brought up relevant issues.
       
       THIS is unbelievably stupid.  Yet they prefer to keep this kind.
       
       *edit...and Chris, I knew it wasn't you,

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          tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Just as stupid as not knowing the difference between two languages

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    I'm off ! this is too much ignorance for a night . Good night !

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    Sweet dreams

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    Mighty Momposted 15 years ago

    Dammit oh dammit
    I missed the ignorance again!
    Just when I come out to rhyme
    Tantrum stomps off with his pen!

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    Leta Sposted 15 years ago

    Gee, this has 'taught' me so much.  Like, don't post positive comments encouraging other writers to write what they enjoy. 
    
    Of course!  We must have simplistic object lessons here so that trolls who feel like sh*t about their existence can enjoy a few moments of notoriety from the negativity (for no reason other than their own horrible reflections) they bring to every thread.
    
    Remember, at the end of the day, nonsensical, schizophrenic 'playing' dies with you...with the mountain of other electronic bilge out there. 
    
    Anybody with the guts enough to put their heart into their writing...has their work.

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    Now you clever verses
    Are bringing a peace again
    To poor HP adversaries
    Who know not to scan

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Sorry, Misha...don't think you understand women much, .
       
       Passionate people, or subversive diplomats.

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          Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Oh, I don't even pretend to understand women. It a mission impossible. I completely fail to see though how this relates to the discussion here, and to my reply to MM specifically.

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    mirajrahaposted 15 years ago

    @Lita
    
    I read your poem about the desert,quite enchanting.
    
    @tantrum
    
    You write some excellent haiku man.Cheers.

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you, mirajraha.  Sorry about messing up your thread.  It was not my intention at all.

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    mirajrahaposted 15 years ago

    not a problem at all Lita,I read your views and they are all justified.

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    mirajrahaposted 15 years ago

    Lita
    
    please do check out some of my stuff,when you have the time,I am a novice poet and want to grow.

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Will do that!  Got to run off to work now. 

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    XTASISposted 15 years ago

    I have to apologize to mirajraha. It seems that what I said about poetry dying have made quite a mess. I'm from Peru, and in my country nobody publish poetry. There's no money for that. In a lot of countries is the same. That's why I ended up here in hubpages writing in English, as spanish writing sites are not so good as this one.
    As I'm a scholar and student of languages, I have to state that tantrum is right. Spanish and Portughese are different languages, just as English and Spanish are.  Many words in common though, as
    Eng< dictator
    sp< dictador
    
    eng< apprehend
    sp< aprehender
    
    eng< constitution
    sp< constitucion
    
    for as you know English also has many words with latin roots.
    
    I hope lita s. will not be angry with me for pointing this out, but I think it's my duty, as a scholar, to clarify this.
    
    “There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.”
    
    Goethe.
    
    Thank You .

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       XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I apologize to you, mirajraha ! Sorry !

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          mirajrahaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          what's the apology for xtassis?what did you say to me??
          
          and oh call me Miraj,that goes to everyone in the forum.

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             Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Oh, for heaven sakes!  Geez.  How about some American common sense?
             
             It is a GIVEN (and I know this...apparent if you pay attention through the thread) that these two language are different languages.  I dunno...what tips you off is that they originate in different countries?
             
             I simply stated that they were 'similar.'  Which, as far as my scholarship goes (admittedly limited to M.A. level), and any research out there I've seen, is true.  They are both romance languages and the words are often very identifiable to speakers from both languages.  From what I've read, there are theories about Portuguese having become 'latinized.'  Anyway!  It is clear that the two diverged at a later date than did English and German.  They are very closely related.
             
             Ignorance is not grasping what my post was actually supposed to be about...and then running with convenient name calling, because I suppose at least that will make you (supposedly?) feel good about yourself.
             
             And it just could be that we approach poetry a little differently here in America.  I don't know.  I kind of doubt it though.  When I attended the University of Iowa (not as a poet, but a painter, but some know that the Writer's Workshop is world famous), we hosted many poets from all over the world.  Real poets know it is NOT about a big publisher.  And you will never become rich becoming a poet.  However, there are legitimate publishing venues for poets.  There are all kinds of venues.
             
             And again...some people take poetry seriously.  An avocation.  For some, it is a hobby.  All this is fine.  My intention was to say that there is a place for everyone.  This instead got turned into some ridiculous need for somebody to prove just one point ad nauseum.

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             tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             apologizing: asking for forgiveness.
             I apologize to you too, miraj. I let myself go. Sorry.  It won't happen again in any of your threads. I promise

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    ralwusposted 15 years ago

    After this shiit I feel I am too ignorant and am thinking of quitting poetry. Ruined my day, my thoughts and broke my heart you all have. Perfectly nice thread it was.

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       XTASISposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I'm sorry if I broke your heart. It was not my intention. Knowing something new shouldn't harm anyone !

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          ralwusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Oh no! 'twasn't you that did it. 'twas the ignorants that done it. LOL

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             mirajrahaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             oh ralwus(Sir)please forgive them.and how dare you say you'll quit poetry.
             
             don't worry this thread is healthy again.
             
             Lady_E you are right.

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                Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Wishful thinking. Once the thread is infested, pests don't go away all by themselves.

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    Lady_Eposted 15 years ago

    I don't think its losing its charm, if its written creatively and from the heart. I love writing Poems.

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    ralwusposted 15 years ago

    You are so right Misha as always. I was not including you as one of the ignorants either. They know who they are. Silence is so golden and the tongue a mighty member so hard to bridle.

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       Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Sometimes people have to sleep, ralwus, .  Gotta to go to work now.

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       Jane@CMposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       So true, yet it goes on and on....

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    Am I dead, yet?posted 15 years ago

    not really. its the content that matters.

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    Amanda Severnposted 15 years ago

    So are our words a waste of time,
    When we speak each verse in rhyme
    Do we but yearn to get across
    Ideas and notions green'd o'er with moss
    A legacy of old tradition
    A rhyme scheme thus, an imposition?

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       Am I dead, yet?posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       awesomeness!

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