You may have noticed there is no longer a tags section on the Create a Hub page, and that the option to add the RSS Capsule has been removed from the HubTool.
On our blog, we have announced that we are retiring tags and the RSS Capsule due to decreased utility and use. You can find all the details you need in that post, however, even if you do not read the post, we want to assure you that we will not be automatically removing the RSS Capsule from Hubs until February 4th, 2013, so you will have plenty of time to prepare for the change.
Hubbers who have incorporated the RSS Capsule into one or more of their Hubs will receive an email from us letting them know which Hubs will be affected. This list will make it easier for all of us to either update our Hubs ahead of time by manually removing the RSS Capsules before the end of the year or checking the Hubs after February 4th and fixing any formatting issues that might surface as a result of the capsule’s disappearance.
You may also view all of your Hubs containing RSS Capsules in this special section of your Statistics page.
Just wanted to give you a heads up on that front! Though it can be hard to let go of things we are used to, we are very excited about the new features we will be introducing to the site (and the HubTool) over the coming weeks and months, so we hope you will join us in cheering “Out with the old, in with the new!”
Post not found. :-( http://blog.hubpages.com/2012/10/phasin … s-capsule/
I never did get around to using RSS capsules. I am psychic...
As for the tags, removal of those didn't increase my pulse rate either.
Oh good. I never learned the RSS feature either. Just one less thing. I thought tags were important to search engines.
I'm not sure about the worrying part. The three hubbers the administration decides to showcase on my profile page (which annoys me, it should be my choice who and what I want to showcase) have hubs nothing like mine. I write on Metaphysical topics. So if the tagging is a bad as the "matching" up of hubbers we have to showcase, it's not helpful to us as writers.
Sorry about that, theclevercat! I can't figure out why the URL you shared isn't working, but the link from my initial post is.
Here's the URL again: http://blog.hubpages.com/2012/12/phasin … s-capsule/
I miss the tags but the RSS can definitely be retired to the old age home, I hope it gets no pension for all I care. I wish the tags could be reinstated though.......even though there is little chance of that
Honestly, because tags were so misused that we had not actually been using them internally for months. @____@
Did you use them for aggregating some of your Hubs?
Yes I did for the sole purpose of placing some RSS feeds all over the internet. But I also found that I always remember to tag my hubs when it was around because it was always there with suggestion when I opened the hub. Now, if I don't place all my tags when I create the hub, I can never remember to go back and do them.
The tags section is still there. If the tags section is removed how will one be able to revive a snoozing hub. Often it's not possible to revise a title without destroying the meaning of an article, but adding tags can give a hub new life.
I think Simone is referring to the auto tags suggestion tool.
Thank you for the clarification. Since I didn't know what it was I guess I won't miss it.
I have already been removing RSS feeds. No matter how you put them in they show things that have nothing to do with the hub your adding them to. Hate to see the tags go.
The tags are still there on the Create a Hub. I am guessing that this is simply a timing issue between implementation and announcement.
Let's try: http://blog.hubpages.com/2012/12/phasin … s-capsule/
edit: yep, this one works.
If you're removing tags, at the very least, allow automatic-tags, so during QAP process, a bot or something scans for appropriate tags and incorporates them, wouldn't that be a better system?
Getting rid of tags makes NO sense to me!
We have been automatically adding tags based on Hubs' content and Topics for a while- long before the QAP came out, actually!
Not sure if I'm understanding this correctly. So from now on we the writers don't tag our own hubs but hubpages does it automatically and we dont have to worry about it, is this correct cause if not I can't find an option to add tags to my hub I'm currently writing not even on the create a hub page.
Uh oh! I've added RSS feeds to a number of my hubs if I'm not mistaken. I will need to review them ^_^
I have a lot of RSS capsules as well. I made sure they were customized so that they were on related topics only. For this reason, I spent a lot of time thinking through and choosing tags.
I liked the RSS capsules because they could link the new hubs to the old ones without my having to edit them manually as I wrote new hubs.
Sorry about that y'all! Rest assured that you have plenty of time to remove them if you think they may compromise your Hubs' formatting in any way. If you think their removal won't mess things up, you can just let that happen automatically.
If Hubpages is a business, and your primary objective is to earn an income for your business, deleting the RSS capsule does not make sense. If a reader finishes an article and then finds another interesting article on the RSS feed, and then clicks on it, HP sees increased readership. Have you determined that having an RSS capsule is more expensive to the business than the profits gained from it? What is the logic of deleting it?
RSS Capsules equal "duplicate content" in the eyes of Google, and are very likely to contain content unrelated to any given hub in question unless someone took the time to customize said RSS feed.
Searchers most often find content they searched for, and then...move on to whatever else they are doing on the web that day. I'm reasonably sure it is infrequent for someone to see an RSS feed, and say, "oh look! I can't wait to read this exceptionally unrelated article to the one I just read!"
Besides, using groups and text hyperlinks in the body of a page...gets the job done much better, and in a more visually appealing sort of way.
I would think that if someone were reading about dog behavior, and then saw another article about dog behavior, he would be tempted to delve into the next article; I know if see an interesting article I tend to read it. I cannot believe all searchers are so shallow as to just stop reading one article.
Why is it duplicate content? If they are used correctly, and the way HP encouraged their use, they do not contain unrelated content.
I do not think text hyperlinks get the job done better. They do not include the summary to let the potential reader know what the article is about.
Seems like the tail is wagging the dog.
The only stated reason for dumping RSS is that they can use the tags - when these go RSS goes. I too use RSS (external) on most of my hubs - provides authority -like a list of references that gets refreshed. Bad move IMO. No discussion, no feedback requested. No point commenting anymore. No one listening. Move on.
We actually did get feedback from the top Hubbers with the most RSS Capsules in their Hubs by emailing them directly and asking them for their thoughts on the subject.
The majority said that they were already actively removing the RSS Capsules from their Hubs, and that they thought removing them altogether would be fine.
Nice chrissie pres! I have 481 hubs to edit! Blah!
I don't think it's fine to remove the RSS tags at all. It took me a long time to customise them, and I believe it got attention to my work. It's getting so there is really no reason to write here at all.
How will this change affect the RSS capsules in blogs? I use them externally also.
Isn't authority granted by Google? Perhaps the analyst at Hubpages.com know more about Google's "vision" than we do?
I dumped RSS Feeds over a year ago...time flies, maybe it's been two...and I got sandboxed for dumping them all for about two months...however, nowadays I've noticed how I get a serious bit of recognition by Google in the genres I regularly publish in.
In other words...I'm making no bones...what I do here...has become more and more successful since I discarded RSS Feeds.
So I'm not saying you are "wrong," I'm saying that dumping RSS feeds has been very right on this end.
I, too, had at least one and sometimes two RSS feeds on each hub and dumped them all some time ago.
Traffic has risen considerably since then - was it those feeds? Don't know, but DO know that traffic from within my subdomain has risen as well, meaning that those feeds weren't doing any good anyway.
Most days, traffic from my subdomain is second only to google dot com; it beats out HP, it beats all the other googles and it beats both yahoo and bing. By respectable margins, I might add, and it happens without RSS feeds.
I should find the percentage...but unless someone links something of mine on davidicke.com, rense.com, or theblaze.com (LOL! really!)...Google.com is far far away my main traffic source....which incidentally, is the goal here.
What do you expect on HP? There has rarely been consultation with the members concerning any changes here.
If RSS = duplicate content as far as Google are concerned, why are Google not removing RSS from blogger?
Dog behavior is a great subject, and one I'm very interested in personally - and if I read your article on dog behavior, and if you have placed it within HP groups between the two most related dog behavior articles, then they show up as links and thumbnails at the bottom, and I will surely read those next!
No they don't. An RSS feed is recognized as such, if a site uses full content from RSS feeds it's going to notice, but including a related news feed with article summaries wont hurt you.
Good to know! Thank you for posting this.
I never did use that RSS tool...I was too scared it would not work properly. lol
Same for me, however, I did click the link to see if I had any hubs with the RSS feed and it turned out I had put on in only one of my hubs.. I never rememebr doing that. LOL So I went ahead and deleted it.
Thanks Simone for this update. I'm always excited about new changes that will help us! Hub Pages ROCKS!
Thanks for the info, Simone. I'm not good in tags, so HP adding auto tags is a great idea for me.
We had already discussed the pros and cons of RSS feeds in the forums a few months ago, so I had already deleted all RSS capsules in my hubs... I think. But if I had missed one or two, it's ok by me if they get removed.
Why has this been done and what replaces it? All of my hubs contain RSS feeds. How do I now show linked articles with a summary?
I've actually been removing them anyway. I'm not sure what you mean by tags. Are you saying that we won't be allowed to enter our keywords anymore? If so, how is that going to work. I always write around a keyword.
I think when you say "keyword" you're referring to what we called "tags". We have been generating those automatically for Hubs for quite a while now, so you don't need to worry about that.
Yes, tags are still there but we'll bid them fond farewell in February!
I'm glad to see the tags go as they added work I didn't need to do. Also, I never did understand RSS feeds, thank goodness! I'm discovering the simpler and less technical I keep things, the better things go.
I hope you realize it's not the current tag feature where you need to add your own tags, but the previous auto tag suggestion tool. You still must add tags to your hubs for increased exposure and traffic.
I would like the RSS capacity retained. RSS provides useful updated information to a topic. I consider it so valuable I would consider leaving HubPages if the RSS tool was removed. In general perhaps HP might consider a process to bring in the new tools before removing the old. That would provide a more stable environment.
How I use RSS in my hubs: see example http://claudiafox.hubpages.com/hub/Space-Weather. Suggestion: If the aim in removing RSS is to stop people RSS-ing their own hubs, (in their own hubs to improve scores) maybe HP can write a script to disable that. And leave the valid informational use of RSS.
Why not just replace the RSS feed with static links? When I look at hubs with an RSS capsule, it doesn't look that much different from the link capsule.
It would be nice if HP automatically converted RSS feeds to link lists come February, but I assume they are going to make each Hubber shoulder the burden of that.
I guess that would work! Just will take some time. :-)
Vicki - If you want to add links to some of your other related Hubs, you may be better off to just add a couple within the content of your Hub as opposed to a list at the end. It would be best to make the link text or anchor text naturally occurring words and not necessarily the title of the Hub or even any keywords.
In-content links with naturally occurring text are thought to help the SEO of the target page. But you wouldn't want to add a lot. The more links on a page, the less value they may have in terms of helping the target page.
Hi, ktrapp! So using the links capsule isn't the best idea either? It's best to use hyperlinks within the text?
Hi ktrapp does that mean links have more value if there are only a few per article, instead of including a longer selection at the bottom of the article for the reader to choose from?
I've seen a few SEO experts that say that is the case. The less links on a page, the more value is passed to the target page(s). Also, the higher up in the HTML the link is, the more value it has.
Here's another one: say you have the link text 'eye infections in dogs' twice on a page, but the two links go to two separate destination Hubs--Google gives more weight or value to the destination that occurs first. I actually wrote a Hub with these backlink tips awhile ago. (But I would never suggest using the same link text multiple times - looks spammy and is confusing.)
I believe I read somewhere once (I can't seem to locate the link now) that users are much more likely to click on in-content links anyway. That seems logical to me because if the link is relevant enough to be included in the content that the reader searched for in the first place, then that relevant link may also be of interest. You're such a great niche writer this should be really natural to do.
Some folks may not know...just highlight a word or phrase in edit mode, click the "chain" icon, and insert url for the hyperlink.
It's the best thing going ...one of the best things about creating content on this site.
Thanks Tussin that is a good idea.
It is just going to take some time as I already have over 140 hubs with RSS capsules that I will have to replace with link capsules, and as you mentioned I am not expecting help from HP--my shoulders shall have to handle that burden.
Like Dr. Mark said, you can control your RSS feeds to include only relevant, related hubs. That's what I always did so that readers could find similar articles. I like RSS feeds and DO click on the links on others' hubs when I find something more on the topic. I like the little summary part, too. I guess we could use the links box, but that takes longer. The in-text links are okay, just not as noticeable. Oh, well, if it increases traffic, as Cardisa and others have said, then that's good. We'll just have to see what happens . . . . Do I need to remove my hub about "How to Use RSS Feeds - Idiot's Guide." LOL! :-)
"With this wisdom in mind, we have decided to remove tags and the RSS Capsule from HubPages.com.
Tags and used to be very important on HubPages, but due to abuse by spammers, we developed an automated system that develops tags for Hubs automatically (which will ultimately save you time and leave Hubbers less dumbfounded when trying to determine which tags are or are not appropriate)."
Ummmm...that sounds like the tags are going and will be replaced by an automated system.
I dont like the idea of HP coming up with my tags for my Hubs themselves.
Me either. I wrote a lot of articles about Greek goddesses, but didn't want men to think I was Wiccan, so put RSS feeds to call attention to the fact I also wrote a lot about Greek gods. I think people often clicked on my feeds, as they went by subjects and categories. I feel sure I will lose traffic because of this. And of course it will change the whole way the hub is formatted. I just wrote my last piece on HP.
Well I guess we will see.
I just went to my Hubs and tags are now gone.
(I just love it when something I put so much effort into gets wiped out so casually.)
But hey...I was wrong about ads at the bottom of a page killing profits, it didn't affect them that I could tell, good or bad.
So I will wait and see if traffic plummets with the Tags gone.
They say that HubPages will automatically put in tags. That's cool with me. They're probably better tags than the ones I choose! :-)
I know the feeling. I put a lot of effort in to my tags and there's no telling what the effects of the auto tag will have on our hubs.
Sorry to see you go Jean, but have the feeling that you will not be the only one.
If i remember very well, the automated tags thingy was kind of messed up IMHO. On my hubs it usually came up with strange keywords that sounded meaningless.
I just stopped using them. But if that's coming back again, i can just imagine crappy keywords surfacing all over again.
Are videos next? Will HP cut out images if Martha Stewart thinks it is advisable? Does anyone have any idea what I should not be including in my future hubs?
Thanks for the email. It made removing my RSS feeds capsules from my hubs easier! ^_^ Done! I'm sorry to see it go though
There is a risk with phasing out tags. If, for instance, I were to write a review on the Hilton hotel in Paris, I would tag it "hotel". An algorithm based on most common searches would almost certainly place it under celebrities. Moreover, the categories are not always very logical, and tags enabled us to correct that to a degree. Of course, I realize there are dishonest folk out there who cram in tags indiscriminantly in the hope of being seen, thus invalidating the others. Could there be a middle road?
There is a risk with phasing out tags. If, for instance, I were to write a review on the Hilton hotel in Paris, I would tag it "hotel". An algorithm based on most common searches would almost certainly place it under celebrities. Moreover, the categories are not always very logical, and tags enabled us to correct that to a degree. Of course, I realize there are dishonest folk out there who cram in tags indiscrimnantly in the hope of being seen, thus invalidating the others. Could there be a middle road?
If that were the case, you would have a high bounce rate, and it would affect your page ranking. This change does not seem like a good idea to me. Your "middle road" suggestion sounds good--why can´t we see the tags and delete those that are inappropriate?
That is exactly what I am afraid of.
But like I said...I'll give it a week or two and see what happens to traffic.
Sadly this "week or two" I'm giving is right in the middle of what is usually my highest traffic times.
Too bad they couldn't have made this change during a "flat" period such as after January 1st when the Christmas rush is over.
On the removal of RSS capsules. When I read this thread I see two types of RSS;
1. self-referential ( that is RSS to own hubs); and
2. external; references to external info related to the hub. For example
"today's earthquakes" on an earthquake topic hub.
I can understand the removal of RSS for own hubs; but what's the downside of external RSS to HubPages?
Can you please explain the logic.
I don't see why removing RSS feeds to your own related hubs is a good idea. I asked for an explanation and wasn't given one so don't hold your breath.
Goodness gracious! 210 hubs to remove RSS from I better start! Good thing we have a timeline till the 4th of February. Personally I started using RSS and tags soon after joining hubpages.
I think the change may be good.
It's an easy link, but no summary so little incentive for someone to click and of course useless as a backlink. I liked the idea of the RSS feed updating as you published newer hubs. Ah we'll, if its home then it's gone, not good IMO but that's life if you write on someone else's site.
No problem getting rid of tags... they provided no benefit other than for internal searches anyway. They are not keywords and the tags pages went away a long time ago. However, I would rather have NO TAGS than have HP auto-generate tags for my content.
No problem getting rid of RSS feeds either. Most people here were using them wrong anyway. An rss feed is supposed to be used to show freshly updated content... nothing is freshly updated when you are only posting rss feeds to your own hubs. A while back when we had the news rss feeds, they were useful because they made our hubs more dynamic but even then they were often providing unrelated material. Unrelated material on your hubs now is a signal to Google to demote the value of your content. Everyone should be happy the rss capsules are going away... it will keep people from misusing them and be a reminder that you have to be more diligent in keeping linked content relevant to the main topic of your hubs.
I began deleting some RSS feeds last night, and it wasn't so bad. I was new to online writing and about 6 months in when I began using them, so they were customized. I think they brought attention to other hubs in my same genre, while now we have to display 3 hubs from other hubbers, and from what I see, they don't have much to do with our genre, some of the ones they put on my page are way off the mark. So I think the tags will be too. I am going to remove the RSS feeds gradually. It seemed it took long to put them on, but maybe because I was newer then and have more expererience now. Most of them have been moved to the bottom anyway, so it's just a matter of deleting the capsule. You'll get an email from the administration, lest you forget where you put them!
I don't see any new questions coming up, so I'm un-stickying and closing this thread, but if something comes up that needs addressing, do feel free to report it in the Technical Problems on HubPages Forum.
Am I getting this right? Hubpages will be creating the tags for our hubs and we can no longer link to our own hubs?
That is what it looks like.
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