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Ericdierkerposted 11 years ago
Our editing staff which I pay for through my earnings is really not competent. HP dropped the ball. I love our editing staff, and they are good people. But this is a mess. HP has got to put more attention than amateurs on staff. They are like like like you know what I mean. Brittany Spears and Miley type OK people. Yuk!!
So sorry to spell it out so graphically. But really this is a professional site. And what is being produced through editing is a teeeny bopper norm that is hurful. Hups of the day look like an Indian subculture without redemption. Generally a mill that produces according to hateful cosmetic norms.
But as always I curb my passion and say that if that is what sells today, do not take this cup from me.
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  bat115posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Britney Spears, you mean? who is writing about her here?
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Eric,
  
  1. HP has not one single editor.
  2. You have under 100,000 views. Your earnings are as imaginary as the editors.
  3. I saw not one member of the staff that was a amateur anything. They all have pretty little letters after their names.
  4. What is your obsession with Miley Cyrus?
  
  Edit: I was wrong. It seems there is one person with that title. So I guess that means this entire thread is a personal attack.
  
  Sorry Christy for calling you imaginary. You will be soon since you are relying on Eric's earnings for your salary and a pack of Ramen noodles won't keep you fed for long. I didn't know you liked Miley Cyrus.
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  We older gentlemen have fantasies about straightening Miley out.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  There is no description for the emotional distress that even the brief mental image of that statement caused.
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So I couldn't interest you in the drawings I made?
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  healthyfitnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That cracked me up! Thanks!
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  cheaptrickposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'm older...and I like her better when she's 'Twerking"....
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  Mr. Happyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Greetings Mr. ErickDierker,
  
  I wish You a wonderful day and besides that, I can say: "You can take the horse to the water but You cannot force it to drink."
  
  When one is ready, one will drink. When Hub-pages decides to grow-up, it might. Haha!!
  
  All the very best. : )
  
  May Wakan Tanka guide your path!
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well Happy, I am still happy too! I guess I better get some sensitivity training though. I seem to upset people. Oh well.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Let us be real. You do not pay the staff through your earnings. What you pay for is the ability to have your work hosted, monetized and SEO'd by HubPages. Unlike a conventional hosting service, you pay only if you're successful instead of a fixed monthly fee. It's their business, so it's their choice how they choose to provide that service.
  
  I think it's good for users to voice their opinions on whether HubPages make good choices, and to suggest improvements. However there comes a time, when it's obvious they're not going to change to suit you, when you need to make a decision - am I so unhappy with the service being provided that I need to go elsewhere?
  
  It sounds as though you may be at that point.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That is really nice. If I complain I am unhappy? I bitch and moan all the time and I am very happy. Personally I think it could be considered childish and immature to tell someone that if they do not like something they should leave.
  It seems that some people do not get the difference between criticism of a system and failing at it. I am pretty sure that only 5 of my last 70 hubs published are not featured. You rate success only by money. I rate success by striving to be better.
  Here is another funny one. When I make these complaining forums I always pick up a few new followers and my traffic increases.
  I think I will write another one right away to keep the traffic flowing.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, maybe if you could post your criticisms for HP's system and not make personal comments. You took a few HPs employees, two celebrities and an entire nation (of minorities) down in one shot. When you post a thread about how much you love ppl then make a sweeping attack, it's confusing. You're only human, no one expects you to be without flaw, but just so you know... this is why ppl are criticizing you now.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Beth I often write like that to make people think. It just is who I am. I do not think I know any HP Employees by name though I think Marisa might be one and I like her and she knows it.
  The entire nation of India should be shot down for their caste system which they allow to exist. And hip hop teenyboppers who make billions should take some heat while they foster decay of respectability. Some one suggested I was apologizing to someone. -- NO I said I was sorry I wrote it , this was in a condescending mockery of those who attack me.
  And then someone said I was unhappy. I am not unhappy.
  I attack bad because I love people. Those who stand silent are not showing love.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, the caste system is an atrocity. I have a few Indian friends, and they would not like to be included in the "The entire nation of India should be shot down..." remark. You would actually be including those who were deemed untouchable... so maybe the entire nation is a bit too inclusive.
  
  Yes, Brittney and Miley are using their sexuality to sell records, which is kind of a shame, however, what this has to do with the HPs staff... or their pros and cons, I don't know.
  
  When you say you want to make ppl think, we are just, in this thread at least, thinking about you and what has upset you. Do we all need to dwell on that, do you think? Maybe you could just shoot HPs an email?
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Beth who has a right or knowledge to say I am upset. I am intellectually intrigued but the soccer game I just played and the stir fry I just made with my wife is not the sign of someone upset. Hold a man who is dying and I will show you upset!
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe it's not so much if you're upset anymore as much as the fact that you seem to be upsetting everyone else, but for what purpose?
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Because it is like them getting upset in the grocery store check out line over pictures of fat celebrities. Look back at my forum point. These folks are proving it for me. It is a beating up because I criticize their comfort zone and that strikes fear into them.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I guess there's nothing left to be said.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No Beth these people are like OCDs picking at a scab. They will not stop. Of course I could stop feeding them, but what fun is that. Until I do my job and reveal their boogie men hiding in the closet are not really there they will fear and in fear not be happy.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I guess i meant I had nothing left to say to you.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Let time tell that tale not us.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You do that...
  
  I'll be over here figuring out why the hell someone would care about followers and internal HP traffic.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Said the woman who probably gets external traffic. lol
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  starme77posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  nice, but the woman who gets external traffic, well, she like worked for it, maybe you can too, if you like , um, work at it , seriously, r u kidding me, what a crappy statment
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I was making fun of myself... the only traffic I get would be internal and even that is slight.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Melissa I love your capitalist self. I just hired a promoter. He is probably no good but he needs some work. So I will toss him something and start getting external traffic.
  Life is so good and I have so much more to complain about --see ya in the funny papers.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What capitalism? You want readers...apparently. Or you wouldn't be worried about followers and such. I want readers too.
  
  I still don't understand why you would care about internal traffic or followers. There are maybe 250-300 people who regularly read these forums that you are self-promoting and trying to get attention in.
  
  There are billions of people who use Google.
  
  Capitalism aside, I still get more readers than you.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You win. I lose. Perhaps I was speaking more broadly. But I appreciate your perspective and value your input. You are a much better writer than I will ever be. And you prove that by your numbers. Good for you was that Miley or Melissa I could not tell.
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  starme77posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I been around awhile, just haven't talked much, but your insistent put downs of this sight have peaked my attention. I can tell however, that you would like any attention you can get because you don't tend to do well on your own. So ya got mine for a second so I can explain that if you do not like it here, well then...... see ya ... have a happy life The old timers around here understand what I am saying it's called starme.... speaking her mind go find a new sight would ya, your becoming boring
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I love it. If you do not like it I will take my ball and go home. So far I have been threatened with being banned by a boycott. starme your ridicule just does not measure up to a concern of mine.
  Hugs and kisses.
  Heck you guys are making my like Miley Cyrus and Brittney. Talking trash about me is in the vogue -- hurrah for me!
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  starme77posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Good, See ya:)
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, I am almost 40 years old. I'm hardly a "teeny-bopper" The Miley jokes are a bit inappropriate. Great God, it wasn't ME you were directing this thread at was it? You do know I'm not an editor... right?
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Melissa they are mythical corporate creatures. To me they do not even exist. On a civil note and tone, they work as my editors and it is their job to curb me into a sale able product. I get that. And I have a right as a human being to argue with them. There is no private channel to them as they are mythical humans that exist in the corporate ethereal only and not as my friends. I do not think it is fair to judge me harshly when I speak for many and only do it publicly for they preclude other avenues of discourse. OTOH it is great to be judged harshly those who are in it for the money.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Beth said it. I have no problem with people criticising HubPages. I've done it myself many times. But done properly, criticism should be constructive - not nasty, and not including personal attacks and insults. That's either plain rudeness, or deliberate attention-seeking behaviour by an egotistical prat.
  
  I will refrain from saying which one I think applies to you.
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  starme77posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nice Marissa - Good comeback, you know, I used to buy and sell storage units and the ones who could not understand the business would come and go - this sounds like a goer to me, good, good luck and good bye in my opinion.
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  aa liteposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Britney Spears and Miley whatsername are editors on HubPages??? How come nobody thought to inform the media? We would get a flood of traffic, some of it might even spill over to my hubs.
  
  Right, I'm off to twitter to inform the world!
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Point well taken and probably where HP is headed. Alert your publicist and start writing "how to" "recipes" and "travel pieces".
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Mark Ewbieposted 11 years ago
People like reading about Miley.
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  Sherry Hewinsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I know I do! Pictures are even better.
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  Jason Marovichposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Right. Here is where the mistake was made on this thread. We all love Mark, but he, and the rest of the responders, fell for an old internet trick: trolling. Trolling for emotional responses is an old internet art form and responding to troll statements, like the OP, just spurn these people on.
  
  I see a lot of people have responded and that's a shame. Soon a new forum topic will appear with inflammatory comments posted by the same person who posted this OP. Simply don't respond and he will find somewhere else to troll!
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But you just responded.
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  Jason Marovichposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That was the end of the thread, Beth. Gosh.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  lol. You think it's the end of the thread.
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  Jason Marovichposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And apparently you're my Gracie Allen.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Aw, I loved them.
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  Jason Marovichposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  (I have to let you have the last word or the bit doesn't work).
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Say goodnight Jaycee.
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  fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Jason & Beth...or is it George & Gracie? That was priceless! I love you guys. You put a big smile on my face, just in time for me to say, "Goodnight, Gracie!"........(That couldn't have been more perfect had you rehearsed it!)
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  lol. Thanks fpherj. Course now he can't reply to you.
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Eric got his victims in the end. Mark only managed to delay the inevitable.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And good morning.
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I feared saying good morning when you were trying to spear yourself a beast.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Someone owes me an apology, that's all I know.
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I have felt that my entire life.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  lol.
  But you've only known me a few months... oh, you mean you.
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I kind of like it. So you got your bloodbath?
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I had fully intended on not participating... I honestly don't know how it happened. It's possible someone drugged me and is currently typing these words in my place.
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  spartucusjonesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I can relate. I am pretty sure that is how most of my hubs are composed. Of course you can take a page from the Mayor of Toronto and blame it on the drunken stupor. You can't be held accountable if it happens during a drunken stupor.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I concur. Ive had a few of those.
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  At first glance it looks like Eric reeled you in. Which is a little disappointing.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  How dare you sir! I told you I was drugged. That is a far more plausible reason.
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well it is good to see that you are fine and suitably offended. And don't forget to wash your hands when you have finished in this thread.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Im boiling the water now.
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's it! You are going to need a lot of that stuff.
  
  Anyway, I need to go and have food.
  
  Hainan chicken and rice. The only fast food I would ever recommend to anyone. Also the only available in my immediate locale. See you later.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Good night.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am the drug. sleep tight.
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  starme77posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hey you responded too haha
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Motown2Chitownposted 11 years ago
This is very similar to the last two or three threads you started about this same issue. You can bump an existing tread back to the top of the heap by commenting on it. It isn't really necessary to spam the forums with the same thread under different titles.

Just an idea.
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relacheposted 11 years ago
If only there was some way to not be forced to stay affiliated with this site and endure having to keep one's writing here....
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  relache: too, too funny!
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  fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  TimeTraveler.......I so appreciate and practice sarcasm. It's much less painful than a beating & actually most often, goes right over the heads we aim at. Excellent one!!
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Mark Ewbieposted 11 years ago
By popular demand...

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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  FTW
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Weakest excuse for self promotion, ever, lol.
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Don't be a cynic Will, Mark has used much weaker excuses for self-promotion.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I do strongly believe there is an art to the weakest excuse and it should be one of next year's Hubbies.
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I would second that, but you could not possibly win with WF in the frame.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Lol - well I didn't put a link in to my (spit) Bubblews pages. As you mention it Will, and thanks for bringing it up, I have an animated gif somewhere of Miley sticking her tongue in a stickman's ear and taking his hat off.
  
  I'll save that for Eric's next thread...
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  Motown2Chitownposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When opportunity knocks...lol
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  spartucusjonesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Where is the crying space cat? A pic with Miley singing with the space cat would be ridiculously cool.
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  Cheeky Girlposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  OMG... Miley Art! I love it, Mark! This is awesome! LOL!
  
  Is this thread a rehash of an older thread! Scuse! I see a cat stuck in a tree just now!
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Richawriterposted 11 years ago
If you spent even half as much time working on your hubs as you do moaning, those earnings of yours might just be enough to buy yourself a box of kleenex ...
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cjaroszposted 11 years ago
Wow. So normally I wouldn't get much into sticking my neck out. But I have to say its pretty amazing. You thought train is clearly a little off its course.

1. We are all here to write in our own way. Except that people write about different things.
2. There are a lot of hub editors. It is not one specific person.
3. We have all done work, that has not scored as high as we thought. Its not just you.
4. Instead of bashing those who try to give you advice. Taking some words from them. There is a reason they are doing so well.
5. The biggest part of being a writer isn't thinking you know it all, its also about learning things yourself.
6. We all get scored based on the same system. I'm pretty sure they don't score based on the writer.
7. Instead of arguing every point made against your work. Take a loss and try again. Its something we all have to do.
8. Writing should be a passion. To give people knowledge, and gain it. Not simply write and say your work is the up most best.
9. We start at the bottom here and work our way up. Just like everything in life. People exceed at different rates.
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  Richawriterposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Wise words indeed, cjrosz!
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Ericdierkerposted 11 years ago
So cool that I get to reply to my own ditty here. Mia Culpa and I am sorry I wrote it and published it. But I would never take it back. Just the fun back and forth was worth it.

I have two points to make here: 1. I love hub pages and the editors and publishers that keep prodding me to make my work better.
And 2. How do you take down a stupid forum or question after you realize that you should not have posted it at all.

Again no regrets here as the posts/comments made the hub happy and fun. - Again I thank all of you.
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  Motown2Chitownposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sadly, I don't believe we can remove a forum thread. I've wondered myself in the past. We all have our moments, after all.
  
  You can, however, contact staff and request that it be removed. I've seen that happen in the past.
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  rebekahELLEposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You could report your original post by hitting the report button and ask that it be removed for personal attacks.
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  fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, Seriously Sir...and with all due respect.....1st of all, it is "Mea Culpa," (Latin) you have combined Spanish & Latin with your Mia Culpa.....I'm just sayin.........Also, When we humans are sorry for something.....we are sorry, sincerely. This means that a statement beginning with the word, "BUT, I would never take it back," should not follow, thus negating the apology.
  If Brittaney and Miley are such "amateurs," have you never wondered how they could buy & sell us all, a thousand times over? What they REALLY are is extremely successful entertainers. Miley, especially is a marketing genius.
  You boldly insulted HP editors, every person who has ever written a HOTD, as well as Indian culture. Is this your message of intent here? OK, we all got it. Done now?
  It astounds me that you may have expected Kudos and encouragement from our fellow-writers. Further, if I were a gambling woman, I'd lay odds that Hubpages, editors & publishers do not buy that you LOVE THEM. Not a chance.
  As has been suggested, you might be able to request that HP delete this entire thread. One more suggestion a man of your caliber may wish to take into consideration.....is to count to 50 or so, the next time you choose to spew a temper tantrum.
  Have a wonderful & peaceful Thanksgiving.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well it is very worth it just to have gotten this "dressing down". And yes we speak Spanglish a lot out this way. And many of us learned our street Mexican Spanish without a "Castillion" mentor. Also mine came from Basque so it got really twisted.
  Let me just say that you just insulted me. My insults are bad and yours are good?
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  fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Eric.....Had my intent been to insult you, please trust it would have been much more than a calm, "dressing down." If you re-read it, putting your massive ego aside....you will clearly see that I merely commented on precisely what you wrote. No, Eric, insults are NEVER OK......yours, mine or anyone's.
  I merely expressed my thoughts on your post. The only point and time I even used the word, "insult," was in reminding you of the insults you made in reference to HP editors, publishers and Indian culture. You wouldn't be trying to deny this or transfer the buck, would you?
  Where you are from, people speak Spanglish? OK, that's interesting, Eric. I suppose any unlikely excuse will do, as opposed to simply admitting you may have made a minor mistake.
  Please, allow me to compliment you. It's apparent you are a very strong man. Incredibly massive egos are near humanly impossible to carry around at all times, under all circumstances. Your strength is impressive.
  Since you are a "Philosophy Master," it is reasonable to suspect you know that when an individual is truly brilliant, the outside world sees his luminance, without that Master having to line them up against a wall and shine it directly into their eyes. Of course you know this might cause people to close their eyes or look away. I'm sure you know this.
  BTW.....when someone's post ANNOYS you, you have the power to delete it. This doesn't make it untrue......only invisible.
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  Cardisaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for your dressing down. I was getting really annoyed with Eric's multiple posts about his gripes with HP editors. This is not the first time he posted. He did one last week and it was much worse than this.
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  uNicQueposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I also really appreciate your post. I was beyond irritated by Eric's insulting ranting about HP editors, modern pop culture figures, and other cultures on my feed. I think your post was reasonable and non-insulting and got the point across that many people have been trying to make.
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  fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well, UnicQue......Thank you dear, all comments to my attempt at suggesting Eric tone his wrath down a bit, have been very positive and appreciated by our fellow-hubbers. However, other than incite his indignation further and cause him to insist he's a HAPPY guy who LOVES everyone......my words fell upon "pompous ears."
  I have exchanged my last word with this pathetic man.....He has SO many admirers (per his claim) he couldn't possibly miss me and the 7 others, who unfollowed him, due to this particular post and the one prior to it. (I had never followed him to begin with.)
  I started my own business 10 years ago when I took an early retirement from the NY State Dept. of Mental Health.
  . I now work from my home office, as an editorial proof reader. It was necessary for me to read only ONE hub written by our self-proclaimed genius- philosopher-guru-writer extraordinaire-literary giant......for me to know the hair on the back of my neck, as well as the spine tingling, could possibly kill me, due to his atrocious spelling, grammar and punctuation errors, galore. Go ahead, be his guest...read a couple of his hubs. I rest my case.
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  gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  fpherj48, God bless you. You are a very admirable and strong woman. Anyone who works for NYS Dept. of Mental Health has to be. I worked for NYS Division of Human Rights for years and before that the NYS Dept. of Taxation and Finance. I am going to give you a hug. Working in mental health gives one empathy and fortitude.
  
  God bless and have a Happy Thanksgiving. I saw this post, this outburst is totally uncalled for and unprofessional. If the OP was in some jobs, he would be either disciplined or terminated.
  
  If one has a problem with the HubPages staff, the appropriate and mature thing to do is contact the staff and discuss it, not air publicly in the forum setting. Forums are for discussions of serious subject matter, not to indulge in histrionics.
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  fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  GM....Thank you for your kind comment. I really am not thrilled that I am being complimented for having to speak to someone in such a harsh matter-of-fact manner. However, I had seen enough insults being thrown around and too many pompous and arrogant claims from someone who in reality, is quite a below-average-writer. He has put out many of these forum posts...always downgrading and slandering someone or some group or something. His reasons always seem to arrive back at his anger that HP simply doesn't realize his work is superb. Go ahead, figure that one out.
  I guess I just reach a saturation point with this sort of unacceptable nonsense....and I feel the need to speak up.
  He may be a very nice man in his personal life. Here.....I'm afraid he comes off as desperately seeking unearned recognition.........
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, this was the post I was waiting for. lol
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  Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Beth is not happy unless the blood is flowing.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  lol... that's not true. Her post was all I heard in my head when I first read his post. Im just surprised it took us so long to get there.
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Mark Ewbieposted 11 years ago
Mamma Mia Culpa - the song that Abba should have written.
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  Jason Marovichposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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  spartucusjonesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I now have that song stuck in my head! Thanks alot, I am now going to be singing that all day.
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  Motown2Chitownposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  HAHAHA! Oh, Mark, too cute.
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  Seafarer Mamaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  ~:0) ~:0)
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Mr. Happyposted 11 years ago
Sensitivity for whom? How about people get some sensitivity for the environment, the lakes and rivers being poisoned by chemicals used in fracking? Or get some sensitivity for the lies of politicians and billions spent on weapons and killing innocent people through drone strikes? How about some sensitivity for the First Nation Treaties which have not been honored? On and on I can go but no, people get sensitive about some comments about Hub-pages ... haha ... show's what's important for people: their Ego. : )
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am glad you mentioned First Nation Treaties. What is your take on Thanksgiving? Or should we start another forum or hub on that?
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  Mr. Happyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I do not celebrate Thanksgiving. The abundance celebrated through Thanksgiving (by Europeans when it was first started) came at an incredible high price for the Native Americans (First Nations): the experience of genocide. So, I give thanks every day through the Sunrise Ceremony: being thankful for the Day, for new opportunity, giving thanks to Wakan Tanka (The Great Spirit), to the four directions, etc. That's my Thanksgiving. : )
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  This was shared by my friends who are Native American. I thought it was extremely powerful.
  
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  If you are interested in hearing a Native American perspective on the mascot issue, this is an excerpt from “Wolf at Twilight” by Kent Nerburn.
  
  A white man and an elderly Native man became pretty good friends, so the white guy decided to ask him: “What do you think about Indian mascots?”
  
  The Native elder responded, “Here’s what you’ve got to understand. When you look at black people, you see ghosts of all the slavery and the rapes and the hangings and the chains. When you look at Jews, you see ghosts of all those bodies piled up in death camps. And those ghosts keep you trying to do the right thing.
  
  But when you look at us you don’t see the ghosts of the little babies with their heads smashed in by rifle butts at the Big Hole, or the old folks dying by the side of the trail on the way to Oklahoma while their families cried and tried to make them comfortable, or the dead mothers at Wounded Knee or the little kids at Sand Creek who were shot for target practice. You don’t see any ghosts at all.
  
  Instead you see casinos and drunks and junk cars and shacks.
  
  Well, we see those ghosts. And they make our hearts sad and they hurt our little children. And when we try to say something, you tell us, ‘Get over it. This is America. Look at the American dream.’ But as long as you’re calling us Redskins and doing tomahawk chops, we can’t look at the American dream, because those things remind us that we are not real human beings to you. And when people aren’t humans, you can turn them into slaves or kill six million of them or shoot them down with Hotchkiss guns and throw them into mass graves at Wounded Knee."
  
  “No, we’re not looking at the American dream. And why should we? We still haven’t woken up from the American nightmare.”
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  GA Andersonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I hope a simplistic "Wow!" conveys my impression of that text.
  
  That is a perspective I have never considered.
  
  Thanks for posting it. I have benefited from it.
  
  GA
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's painful to read, but it's awesome.
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  DzyMsLizzyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Powerful, indeed. I do feel sad for the Native Americans, and often ask, when the question of "illegal aliens" comes up, WHO are the true illegals? It is we; all of us descended from the European immigrants to this land.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed MsLizzy.
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  Rod Raineyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Honor the treaties!
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  MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think he meant Native Americans, I think he meant ppl native to India... just to clarify which ppl group was receiving the snide remark.
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  Mr. Happyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I meant Native Americans. We use the words First Nations, here in Canada - means the same: the people who were here before the European invasion.
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  fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Right, Mr. Happy...we realize YOU were referring to Native Americans(of which, 2 of my sons are 50%) It is our great & powerful philosopher who was clearly referring to people of "India," as a nation.
  I believe we can follow and understand quite well.
  As for not caring about the real and serious issues of the world......most of us need not defend our selves. Our writing speaks volumes in terms of our interest in the world and of humanity.
  Please take note: It is Eric who brought this topic to forum and who finds it important enough to publicly slam.
  Mr. Happy, you surprise me.
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RelevantHelpposted 11 years ago
After reading the original post, I'm suddenly feeling inspired to write a Hub on the perils of poor spelling, improper grammar, run-on sentences and sweeping generalizations.

I have NO idea where this sudden inspiration has come from.
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  agilitymachposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LOL!!! This should get the Hubbie for best post of 2013.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think it is awesome to mock another's writing style to promote your own. I imagine that Spanglish and Ebonics really make you mad. You see where I am from we speak as we talk and we stand behind it. Not pretty words or little pinkies sticking out from tea cups but real thought against real thought.
  Go have a tea party and English lesson.
  But stay in the house with you peek a boo and loving sisters who make no impact.
  I hope that was harsh. It was meant to be. And your doily and saucer crowd are not able to speak well for themselves.
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  starme77posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like bullying to me, knock someone else to make your self feel better - you know the misery looking for company thing sounds like about right to me ha!
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  starme you are not addressing an issue here but attacking me. That just makes you eligible for banning.
  I got no misery except that my heart pleads that your heart be loosened and not bound by anger.
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  EncephaloiDeadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Replace the name 'starme' with 'Ericdierker' and there no longer exists a statement of hypocrisy.
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  Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I've no idea where the sudden inspiration to write a hub on bad poetry comes from either!
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jmartin1344posted 11 years ago
I am probably not known among the HubPages community, but I've enjoyed my time here for a couple years now! However, I just wanted to share that it is becoming frustrating to have my feed constantly filled with Ericdierker complaints against the site, followed by half apologies, followed by more complaints and insults. It is like endless sequels that are all basically the same. I've never seen someone so unhappy with a service that continues to utilize it!! Any idea how to stop these from showing up on my feed??

Happy Thanksgiving Hubbers!
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  fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, as well, jmartin1344.....Yes, yes and yes It IS frustrating, it IS like endless sequels and it IS baffling to see that someone SO unhappy with a service, continues to utilize it. Tomorrow as we bow our heads in Thanksgiving, let us be grateful we do not live next door to him, work with him in close quarters, or are in any way, related to him. We can positively and simply never read a single one of his future works.
  There are solutions to everything. Nice to meet you and to hear from you. Have a good evening.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But I wont be ready til Thurs.
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  fpherj48posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Beth.......right you are! So....I have an idea. Bow your head and pray 2 nights in a row, with the same request. Lord knows I do it all the time. It's OK, though, because He knows I'm old and forgetful. Maybe you can get away with it too!
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh Im super forgetful. You actually had me wondering if I was supposed to be at work today. I actually had to check the date on the comp. just in case.
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  starme77posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  kinda like spam huh - I think the guy is just in a bad way and probly drinking too much, he will wake up from his stupper and be like, what the hell did I do haha
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  spartucusjonesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If he is in a drunken stupor he can't be held accountable. That is one valuable lesson that I have learned from the Mayor of Toronto.
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  starme77posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah well if everyone would just stop responding he will go away and talk to the mirror haha
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Mark Leesposted 11 years ago
DzyMsLizzy, think of it this way. Any idea of national borders only exist as a means of control- to focus the ire of the people against people of a different nationality rather than at the powers that be.
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Beth37posted 11 years ago
I always regret winking.
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  starme77posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Then just smile Thats what I always do haha
  Works for Wal-Mart Why not us
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Beth37posted 11 years ago
Just bizarre.
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  cheaptrickposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi'a Beth .That's old news.In the four years I've avoided getting banned her at HP,my bizarreness has become legendary.I promise I'm not a dangerous kind of bizarre though.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No, not you. Im sorry. I meant the whole thread... it was just a bit off.
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  Suzanne Dayposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I wrote a bizarre hub.
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  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Prove it.
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hardlymovingposted 11 years ago
All of you have fallen into his trap...that is, post a provocative post.
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  Richawriterposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well he is a self-proclaimed provocateur.
  
  Provocateur is just another way of saying - Insecure person who resorts to placing bait in order to attract as big a bite as possible to ensure his/her fragile ego receives the love and attention he/she cannot supply him/herself with.
  
  Once provocation has been successfully applied and the half-maggot has been tugged at, the fish on the other end, dying to get at the remaining half should tug frenziedly at the line. The more fish, the bigger the boost to one's level of self-importance.
  
  Classic FaceBook Syndrome in action here.
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Will Apseposted 11 years ago
Yawn...
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Richawriterposted 11 years ago
Yes, I understand. If I were in your company, I too would yawn. Must be hard for you ....
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