Does this category really exist on HP?

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   SpaceShantyposted 10 years ago

   I was hopping some Hubs when I came arcoss a Hub which was nothing more than a bunch of pictures of women.  Just before I gave it a low rating I noticed there is actually a category for this kind of material on HP, I thought this wasn't allowed.  Can someone give me some advice on this subject.
   
   http://hubpages.com/topics/entertainmen … videos/773

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      Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Kind of wondering why "Nostalgic Bicycle Ride Through Livermore Wine Country" was lumped in there. Was someone wearing a bikini on a bike?

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         FatFreddysCatposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         ...and why is its thumbnail pic a turkey?? Was the TURKEY wearing a bikini while riding a bike??
         
         But seriously, I was unaware that there was such a Hub category. Geez, here all this time I've been tryin' to write real, whatchacallit, lit-ra-cher .. I had no idea that all I needed to do to make real big money was to post lots of Hubs with titles like "Hot (Random Bollywood Actress' Name Goes Here) Photos and Wallpapers." Dang!!

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            frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

            No surprises here, it's why Hollywood blockbusters made hundreds of millions of dollars and independent films ("literature"), make next to nothing. Give the masses what they want, and you'll be better off financially.

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      LuisEGonzalezposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Strangely enough this does exist and stranger still is that is gets lost of views. Ever wondered what Google thinks of sites that have this content?
      
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      The Examiner-1posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I saw that Hub and I just gave it low ratings too.

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      Christy Kirwanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Hi SpaceShanty,
      
      That Topic is a throwback from when HubPages had very few content restrictions. We don't encourage that kind of content any more, but there are still enough Hubs around to warrant a separate Topic.

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         Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         It seems strange that you've left any of these Hubs published, considering many of them have watermarked or  pixelated images.

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         SpaceShantyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         It does seem strange that many of these Hubs have just a single paragraph, loads of semi pornographic watermarked/unattributed or obviously stolen photos are allowed to remain published whilst other Hubs which are of far higher quality fail the quality assessment process.

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            Christy Kirwanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Stealing images is both illegal and unethical and it frustrates us too. We do our best to educate Hubbers and encourage and promote Hubs with legally-used, properly-cited images, but it is ultimately the responsibility of the author to use media correctly and legally.
            
            We have Unfeatured thousands of Hubs in that category, and new Hubs are subjected to a higher bar to become Featured, but we also have to find a balance between restricting content and allowing authors more freedom (insofar as our advertisers will allow). That said, please do report any Hubs that violate our TOS or contain nudity. It's a big help.

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      NateB11posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That is atrocious! I had to look at every Hub a few times each in that category to make sure all of them were that horrible. I really need to Hub hop more often, because I am missing out.

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         Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         lol

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      pctechgoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The hubs are categorized in entertainment and as such might be making the hubs okay  and not censored.

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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   Most of them have pictures that are watermarked or otherwise clearly under copyright. 
   
   It does seem weird category to have.

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      Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Notice only the women have come back to comment. lol

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   davidlivermoreposted 10 years ago

   Hah so HP had to resort to porn to get people on board.  It's sad, but it's not so surprising, considering porn sites make up a large portion of the web.

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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   Surely having a subcategory that specific counts as "encouraging" it? -- maybe it is time it was retired?
   
   Because otherwise it contributes to the mixed messages new hubbers sometimes feel that they are getting.

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      Ben Blackwellposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with this.

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      Christy Kirwanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      We decided in the past that keeping a separate Topic around is a better solution than lumping those Hubs in with other entertainment Topics, since many Hubbers will not want their work displayed alongside that type of content.

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      frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Why would you want to retire this kind of category? So what if there are people who like looking at these pictures? Let's not try to force prude puritan morals on what can and cannot be put onto HubPages if this kind of category already exists. If someone doesn't like it, they don't have to look at it, right? No point in trying to keep this site purely "literary" (whatever that means), as very very few hubs fit that category.

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         psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         As I explicitly stated, twice, because people are dumping collections of stolen pictures in there.  And legit hubs have other categories they can use.
         
         I am an atheist free-love throwback and erotica author, so any assumption you are making are making in you own head not in my life.
         
         You may bot have picked up on my real reason because you lift copyright photos for you own hubs (not an assumption, i checked).

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            frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you for checking, but you must have not checked very well because all of the pictures I use have their sources noted underneath them.
            
            Seeing as there are many pictures whose sources are not cited on HubPages, it is strange to be so upset about the pics being so in this particular category, hence my comments above. Also, in your comment just below here you specifically mention deleting all the illegally copied "sexy" pictures. Why not all illegally copied pictures then?

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   Alphadogg16posted 10 years ago

   I've seen these as well, several where just pictures of some middle eastern actress, I gave it a low rating as well

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   WriteAngledposted 10 years ago

   There have in the past been repeated requests for this category AND the garbage it contains to be DELETED.
   
   HP refuses to do so. Presumably, this section earns good money, so the injunctions on quality, length, passion and all that stuff are quietly ignored and the hubs are kept safely away from the MTurk knives.

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      frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Why should they do so? If it bothers people that much, they don't have to look at it.

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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   Deleting all hubs fully of illegally copied "sexy" pictures would also seem to be a valid option.  I can't see many hubs correctly placed in that category that is not violating copyright.
   
   The remaining few showing legal, clothed pictures would look just fine in other categories like entertainment/actors.

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   Mark Ewbieposted 10 years ago

   Actually, cough, I seem to have a Hub in that category myself.
   
   Phew.  Thought they might have deleted it.

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      Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Er.  It is sort of a joke one.  I haven't really put naked lady pics up on HP - artistic impressions that's all.  Tastefully done.  I mean, you wouldn't want your mother to see it - although it depends on what she's like.  Anyway, hope that has cleared things up.
      
      Models still wanted.

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   cfinposted 10 years ago

   I love that this hub is in there http://tirelesstraveler.hubpages.com/hu … Of-My-Area

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    Kiss andTalesposted 10 years ago

    Art is in the eye of the beholder it depends who is at the top they make the decision ,sometimes it can be unfair.

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       Kiss andTalesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I find it very unfair that hubs questionable in morals have almost been wiped out ,  and still appear , when something that is of good and healthy or sometimes of spiritual content is judged and wiped out very quickly,  Hubs become the Art of the judges. At  Hp , because you pick and choose what you like ,and that is when you create your own big picture!  Some one likes  the hubs that are moraly questionable , so they stay, The truth is hub pages do not belong to the Hubbers  but the judges.

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          frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

          "Morally questionable"? Whose morals would you use as a benchmark for what is or isn't "proper"?

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             Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

             I think you're confusing ppl's love/hate relationship with porn and the fact that this site has made an genuine effort to be a writing site and not a site for pictures. As you can imagine pictures, though sometimes very pretty; alone, can dumb down an effort. I don't know if I've properly addressed your concerns, but I saw that you'd made your claim a few times and I thought maybe you needed a direct explanation? I hope this was in some way helpful.

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                frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                Thank you for the explanation, but I do understand. There are plenty of hubs that have just pictures with just a few words underneath, be it for travel destinations, electronics, or any number of products. I don't see a problem with those and have not seen a big outcry against those. In this case people seem to be upset with the content (girls scantily dressed), and not the fact that the whole hub is basically nothing but pics with some captions.

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                   Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                   I probably shouldn't be posting after having a margarita, but I think we all know the basic use for a site that highlights scantily dressed women.  It's hard to take a site seriously when one imagines it under that description.

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             Kiss andTalesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             Well first why do Hp themselfs say they have changed this category ,what morals are they going by? To say they are in the process of changing and still posting violations? Rather you respect it or not the law of right wrong still exist  even though many in this world try to overlook it and say they do not have to answer for thier discisions in this life. Reality is they do.

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                Kiss andTalesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                To F78

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                   Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                   I heard 789.

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                frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                The law of right and wrong? That seems a bit too general and too generic to describe some pictures that you can see in most women's magazines. The picture hubs are not hurting anyone in any way. It's only hurting the people that are getting all worked up about it.

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                   Kiss andTalesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                   To F78   a lesson in general, just because you hold power in your hand to do certain things ,does not mean it is right to use it , example a weapon ,does it give you the right to use it on others because you hold it in your hand ? no! Pictures and many other things alike are displayed and just because some one uses authority to post does not make it right, There is law concerning porn, why ?many can give you an answer!

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                      frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                      Pictures of women in bikinis is not porn. There are pictures of women in bikinis on virtually every checkout aisle magazine rack, would you call that porn? Women dressed in yoga gear, or in revealing dresses on the covers of women's fashion magazines is not porn, is it? I have seen nothing worse on the hubs here.

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                         Kiss andTalesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                         Really ! I have just saw a women exposed in bed with a man here on Hp ,,  would you allow a little child to view this ? The problem is people are being fed many things mentally ,controlling our clean thoughts and disturbing the innacence of children ,just because you see something does not mean you should see it.,and by the way this pic was in my pathway!  You are correct images are everywhere ,in stores on billboards, but do we allow it to program our mind into thinking this is clean and proper, many have fallen victim into thinking nothing is wrong when there is a lot wrong, It started with Eves eyes in the Garden. The forbidden fruit ,Your eyes are power they motivate you to action. That is why the media uses many pictures..

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                            JRScarbroughposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                            I don’t think this is about morality. It is about even handedness to most who object to these types of hubs. Hubpages is giving mixed messages. On the one hand, they flag certain words as inappropriate but then, on the other hand, these bikini hubs seem to be marketing toward a market we thought was frowned upon by HubPages.
                            
                            Personally, I don’t find the human body objectionable in any way. If we are talking about Eve in the garden, then we must acknowledge that Eve was naked in the garden. It was sin that clothed her.
                            
                            Now, I don’t wish to remove the hubs because I see nothing objectionable about pictures of girls in the same way that they look when I am on a public beach. We can’t rule over the world with our personal doctrines or what a preacher says is inappropriate.
                            
                            The objection I’ve read most is that HubPages is not being evenhanded with policy. My belief is that there is a lot of traffic on those hubs and it wouldn’t be financially prudent to end those hubs. So, there isn’t anything anyone can say that is more powerful than a money source. The men and women who choose to have hubs like that are apparently within HubPages’ guidelines and therefore, it is not any of our business since HubPages is in charge here.

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                               Kiss andTalesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                               Yes you are correct ,they are in my comment , as stated in comment on the top. And true if God created Adam and Eve naked there is no shame in  the beginning before they looked upon something they had no right to. But  That look caused them to act out a desire that caused a global disease of inherit death to all human society. Proof we all die. Yes it might be a money matter and so many things appear to be money matters ,but the bottom line is how far will we allow money to control your mind into thinking bad is good and good is bad. For we can't please God with money.

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                                  JRScarbroughposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                  I don’t disagree that sin exists and bad things can control your destiny. I’m saying, we can’t do anything about HubPages’ policies. If you consider it sinful, then abstain from it None of us has the power to end sin, not that I consider those hubs sin or sinful. I suppose it depends on why someone would visit them, but that’s neither here nor there. I just am saying that if HubPages permits their existence, then we can’t end it or make any rules about it and so, it is fruitless to aim an attack at someone who finds nothing wrong with it.
                                  
                                  I mean, if Jesus Christ could not end sin on earth during his visit, how could we expect to change a policy on a server that does not belong to us. I mean, seriously, there are so many bad things online, pictures of girls or whatever is hardly enough reason to call down Heaven and cast fire and brimstone. I haven’t seen anything any worse than a public beach. I don’t find pictures of a woman in bed with a man objectionable either. A lot of people see nothing wrong with these things. It depends on the context.
                                  
                                  I believe the argument here is about Hubpages reputation. If it partakes too much of this direction, we could all be classified as being a part of this when a lot of us are trying to come off as more elevated than soft porn (again, i don’t see what is there now as even remotely close to pornography, but it is a step in that direction and that’s the point that I think a lot against it are trying to make). I mean, once someone is associated with this type of stuff, people tend to never stop associating you with it.
                                  
                                  BUT AGAIN, I don’t think HubPages will go down as the latest porn site over what is there now. AND HubPages has never been a go to place for respect literature. It is something in between and in its entire design is made to make money for its owners. I suppose those picture hubs make money. I don’t think God will judge any of us for having a HubPages account simply because HubPages allows Blonde Girls in Bikinis hubs and I consider myself spiritual, I just know I can’t make anyone else’s judgement calls.

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                                     frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                     Very well put, very well said.

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    FlourishAnywayposted 10 years ago

    I've noticed and reported this too.

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    Barbara Kayposted 10 years ago

    People are getting hubs denied because they use certain words in medical hubs. You don't want to hear what I have to say about this.

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    Ben Blackwellposted 10 years ago

    I agree that this section should be removed.  At least, Hubpages should delete the hubs that have illegally used images.  It seriously changes the way Hubpages looks in my eyes.  It is also very unfair.
    
    But wait... they shouldn't be listed unless they're featured.

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    IzzyMposted 10 years ago

    Relax, everyone.
    
    HP have this category because they started out with it. They already banned the worst of it!
    
    You are asked to use properly attributed photos, but it is not a requirement.
    
    You might get a HOTD or win any contests if you use anything other, but you might earn a Hell of a lot of money if your hub garners traffic.
    
    I think we should have a contest. Let's see who can can publish the most daring Indian Auntie hub without losing ads from HP or elsewhere.
    
    I tried going the writing route, but HP has filtering software already in place. So let's stick to photos, we just need to write a couple of nice lines between them.
    
    Joking asides, I am sick to death of seeing this type of hub.
    Most of the images are copyright, and say so on the image.
    That should be reason enough to unpublish them.
    
    If that also means the unpublishing of non-properly attributed images on my own hubs, then so be it.
    
    You are either above board, or below it.

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    Marcy Goodfleischposted 10 years ago

    I believe these hubs get enough traffic (from people looking for that junk) that HP keeps them on the site. However, my question would be whether there's a negative trade-off in terms of Google rankings for those of us who publish legitimate content?  No matter how the urls are tweaked, I suspect Google still lumps us all together in some manner, and the Indian Auntie types of hubs hurt this site in the long run.

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       Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Is Auntie another word for hottie or is there something even more awry with those hubs than needs be?

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          Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Aunty just means Hotty I think.

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             Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

             I really love my aunts, but I don't think anyone would want to see them in that section.

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                Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                Might be worth a go.

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                   Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                   hahaha... I have googled my fingers to the bone, but i cant find a reference.

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                      Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                      Best definition I can find is Indian equivalent of MILF.

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                         Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                         I figured, I just couldn't find it. Oh well... I spose we're not going to be tested on this.

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                            Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                            If we are - we'll both pass now

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                   Marcy Goodfleischposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                   Mark can draw them if we forward family photos.

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                      Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                      Finally!  An excuse...
                      
                      
                      

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                         Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                         lol. How long have you had that one waiting in the wings?
                         I actually have a lot of questions about that picture, but there's no way to word them without getting banned again. 

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                            Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                            About two years Beth.  I haunt these forums waiting for my moment.

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                               Marcy Goodfleischposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                               We're here for you on that, Mark.  If you can describe the other Drawings in Waitung, Beth and I promise to start relevant threads so you can post them. As long as we don't get banned.

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                                  Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                  Lol Marcy and thanks of course.  I think a little goes a long way...

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                         Marcy Goodfleischposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                         I can't read what the loin cloths say.  Translation?

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                            Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                            Well that was one of my questions, you came up with loin cloth... much better than what I was thinking. (It's probably their hubber score.)

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                            Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                            It's a snake Marcy.  I remember now why I drew it.  Randy Godwin of snake fame I think once (or twice) referred to HP cheerleaders.  Those nice ladies are his HP fan club.

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          Marcy Goodfleischposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Maybe someone can clarify that term a bit - all I know is that when I first joined the site, I started reading forum posts using the 'Auntie' term for many (most?) of the hubs of that nature. They've been here for years, and I think the  Auntie term is a cultural artifact  (from India?).  There were some really obscene hubs at one time - one writer got so frustrated she posted a link to one that had an unprintable title. The content didn't reflect exactly what the title suggested, but it should never (ever) have been on this site. 
          
          The site has done a great job of closing the doors to offensive or sub-quality content, but the lingering hubs are another matter.  I do know those hubs have brought in money.  But at what point does that lead to a sellout of quality?

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    lovebuglenaposted 10 years ago

    I had no idea this category and hubs like these existed at all. I am not interested in this kinda of stuff so to me it doesn't really matter but I wonder why this is still up and running when this is clearly not that kind of site?

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       frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       People have varying interests, so there is no reason why material like this shouldn't have a place on this site. It's personal choice.

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    Beth37posted 10 years ago

    We live in a very strange world.

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       Marcy Goodfleischposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       + 100

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    Marcy Goodfleischposted 10 years ago

    For the record - if Mark's drawing gets deleted by HP, I demand the skimpy cheesecake hubs get deleted. Immediately.

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       Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       +1

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    Barbara Kayposted 10 years ago

    If any of us tried something like this now, it would never make it through a quality check. Those hubs have been flagged many times and nothing has been done about them.

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       frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Just because some hubs get flagged by some people doesn't mean that anything should be done about it by HubPages. It is their site, so it is ultimately their decision, not the decision of contributors.

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    DzyMsLizzyposted 10 years ago

    I'm no prude, but I am a stickler for principle and even-handedness.
    
    If you have a rule, then it needs to apply across the board.
    
    Ergo, if these kinds of hubs are allowed, then neither should we be censored for using anatomically-correct language in a hub about medical issues.
    
    We are always told when making complaints about the filters on HP that "Google is the boss."  Well, Google apparently has a double-standard of its own, if these hubs are allowed, and do not cause HP to be devalued in the "eyes" of the Google-bots.
    
    I simply don't get it.  Educational information about sexual matters is disallowed, but peep-show photos are not?  It is both unfair and ridiculous.
    Somebody needs to sit down and have it out with "The Big G," if this is their doing.  Time to come out of the dark ages of tittering over anything to do with the body. 
    
    The other way to get rid of these posts, would be to clarify HP very specifically as a writing site, with photos to supplement an article or video, but not "articles" that are primarily photos. (That is, if HP even wants to: as some have suggested, it may actually be a very big money-maker for them, and they would simply rather not admit that publicly.)

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       JRScarbroughposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I ‘ve been censored. I couldn’t believe you can’t even use the scientific terms associated with the female and male anatomy. BUT you can almost show it and be ok. SMH

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          SmartAndFunposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Was your medical hub unpublished or were ads removed from it? Google does not want their ads on pages which have inappropriate (to them) content. HP will usually just remove the ads, not censor the material.
          
          I am no fan of the Indian Auntie hubs, but the several I just checked had no advertising. Do any of them have ads? I checked about ten and none of them did. It would be smart to strip (ha ha) this whole category of ads. But then, if these hubs have illegally copied photos and are not earning anyone any ad revenue, why doesn't HP just remove them? That negates the argument for keeping them here for the ad revenue.
          
          My main concern is Google downgrading the site because of this junk.

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       Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Actually, there is a whole category for Hubs that are primarily photos:
       http://hubpages.com/topics/entertainmen … videos/766
       The 'Sexy Picture' Topic is in there, too, but there are others: Photo Galleries, Cute Pictures, and Celebrity Photos.
       
       I have a few Hubs in there that do very well.

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          frantisek78posted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for pointing this out! Notice how no one has really complained since you posted this? 
          
          There is nothing wrong with having hubs that are mostly photos. All news sites have photos galleries as well, so I still don't know what the big outcry was on this forum...

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          NateB11posted 10 years agoin reply to this

          +1

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    JRScarbroughposted 10 years ago

    Ads pay just as much per visitor for soft porn as it does for analysis of Chaucer or in depth study of Romantic Period Composers.
    
    Sadly, soft porn probably does a lot better in traffic than anything worthwhile.
    
    It might be a lesson for us all. Dumbing down for traffic’s sake might be the answer to becoming the next Internet made millionaire. Maybe I’ll make a new account…
    
    “SHESGOTIT” and then attempt to grab traffic that wishes to learn to write erotic fiction and send to another new account, “WRITEHAWT” and cover all my bases.
    
    I’ve been discovering there are many hub writers on here that are in a lot of niches in order to promote their offsite money projects. I think this category is probably full of anonymous hubbers.
    
    I had no idea this was here. Very strange. SMH

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    Kiss andTalesposted 10 years ago

    Just to add an example would a video game be a game without a picture,? And most display violence ,and other things ,crime today in a percent is blamed on video games.

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    Kiss andTalesposted 10 years ago

    True we can not do anything about Hp policies , but the point here is that something is wrong! It is appears normal when it is not, For the love of money there is no boundaries. The point of the story in the garden is God himself set boundaries for us ,again we can allow others to say it is ok when it is not .it is the same issues Satan raised in the garden ,have we allowed society to tell us it's ok to look and read in appropriate things just because they appear? Yes we have beaches of nude people. But does that mean God approves just because its there, no ! Satan is there and God does not approve of him and people that do what he likes. Simple badness is all around even through the pages. We have an obligation not only to be clean physically but also morally in God's presence. For we are to be Christ like, nowhere in the life of Jesus will you find such conduct . And yes all  people will be judge . Why let satan help you loose your life forever. In regards to me I abstain from what is harmful to the mind and body , the spiritual part is more important then the physical man. Many are loosing the battle ,when I see danger we let others know because God is love. And we are to love our neighbors as ourself . My post is how I show love.

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