HubPages and Hubbers (authors) earn revenue on this page

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   dtrposted 10 years ago

   This is a lie.
   In the footer of the website must no statements about me (the author) be made that are wrong.
   In my case the author doesn't  "earn revenue on this page" and he hasn't any "affiliate relationships" this would base on.
   This text is subject to reword.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The statement says "HubPages and Hubbers".  It doesn't say ALL Hubbers.  Therefore it's possible that SOME Hubbers are not earning, which is correct.

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         dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         already answered, read up

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            Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            More to the point is, why on earth do you care?

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               dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Soothing question, thank you for this.
               Apart from that you and I know, I don't need to justify myself,
               there are several possibly harmful impacts of an inapplicable statement like this about a person, coming from:
               - dumb tax inspectors
               - envious ex-wifes
               - jealous *friends*
               In my special case it is known about me, being absolutely not font of advertising at all, especially of obtrusive, privacy-ignoring mechanisms x-raying people for to make money. I have to endure it and to put up with it as far as it isn't avoidable. But I can never ever make money that way by myself. Most important is, I can't allow that to be told about me.
               
               These are just the reasons I know. What really frightens the shit out of me are those, not occuring to me.
               
               You may answer:
               "So, why are you here? You better should have a WordPress blog."
               It's because I like (to spread) the general idea and I believe as long as no better way is found, to get (other) people rewarded substantially for their effort (this encloses HubPages itself), they may or actually have to go this.

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         It is also possible that some hubber, somewhere, is earning from any page with any affiliate advertising, through the referral program.  The hubber "Marisa Wright" may be earning from a hub written by the hubber "dtr".

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            dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            It may be but it isn't.
            No one earns revenue by affiliate relationships and advertisements on this forum page or the "about us", where no ads are shown (not even HubPages). But this is the statement on every page in HubPages.
            And no author earns revenue by affiliate relationships and advertisements on my profile page. But it's told there.

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      lovebuglenaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The statement you see on the bottom footer (which is done for legal purposes) is a generic one that appears on all the HubPages pages regardless if the author participates in any of the earning programs or not. There is nothing wrong with that statement. And it is not misleading anyone.

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      Matthew Meyerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The word "may" will be added to this statement.
      
      When the update is released this new text will read
      "HubPages and Hubbers (authors) may earn revenue on this page based on affiliate relationships and advertisements with partners including Amazon, eBay, Google, and others."
      
      UPDATE: The change is now live and you should see it at the bottom of this page.

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      Patricia Ferreroposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I have to be honest here. This post has kept me entertained for several days, so I guess I should say "thank you".

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   Bronwyn Hansenposted 10 years ago

   dtr, the footer is not lying.
   
   I have been to your profile, and noticed that you have only been here a day, and you have not posted any Hubs.
   
   You cannot simply sign up and expect to earn money for doing nothing.
   
   First you need to write original, high quality content Hubs. When you have written thirty or so, you can go to the "my account" link, and apply to join the various revenue programs.

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      dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I have no intention to do so.
      It isn't the point that I haven't been payed. I don't want to get payed and won't join any of the programs. So it is and keeps being a lie.
      
      The author earns revenue on this page (btw: not on this forum page, where the footer is also lying) *IF* he/she is participating in any affiliate program and not based on relationships where aren't any.
      The right word would be "depending" and not "based" on. Inclusions like "possibly" or the suffix "if any" would do it.

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         Barbara Kayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Why do you consider yourself referred to as an author if you aren't going to write anything? Authors write.

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            dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            "I have no intention to do so" related to the last sentence:
            "When you have written thirty or so, you can go to the "my account" link, and apply to join the various revenue programs."
            
            My intention is to write, but not to get paid.

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   dtrposted 10 years ago

   May it be a known fact that "30 or so" contributions of "high quality content" are imperative to enter an affiliate program, so the condition isn't met by most (felt 80%) of the users and the statement is a lie about all of them.

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      relacheposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I highly recommend you read the Terms Of Use documentation, or in other words, the legal agreement you indicated you completely understood and accepted legally when you registered with this site.  (You did realize that by signing-up to join this site that you were entering a legally-binding agreement with a US company, right?)
      
      http://hubpages.com/help/user_agreement
      
      I can't wait to hear your reaction to the legal conditions you have actually accepted if the footer wording is freaking you out.

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   EricDockettposted 10 years ago

   Even though YOU may not be earning from an affiliate program, HP is via the ads on your pages (or would if you had any).  Disclosing that to the public is required by the FTC, and in most cases by the affiliates themselves.

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   Froggy213posted 10 years ago

   I also would ask why you would join this site if you have no intention of writing some quality content? Or any content at all for that matter? Are you just here to cause issues?

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   dtrposted 10 years ago

   To repeat the issue:
   A line in the footer tells about the author (me) he/she earns money through advertising affiliate programs. But this isn't true and won't ever be true. Neither did I (the author) sign an affiliate contract, filled the tax information form nor gave a PayPal account. The auther simply doesn't earn money based on affiliate programs. It's just that dead simple.
   
   Now answering the comments:
   
   1. -> Bronwyn Hansen (already answered)
   My problem isn't that I haven't been payed.
   
   2. ->EricDocket
   They may or propably must tell about them earning money by affiliate programs. But they can't tell that about me, if it is untrue.
   
   3. -> relache
   a. frigthtening Terms of Use are bad news, bad not the issue
   b. I am not freaked out by the footer telling bullshit about me, I am just telling an issue.
   c. there unlikely is written they are allowed to do so
   d. you may hear about that from me in another thread (ot)
   
   4. ->Froggy213
   Did I write about not wanting to write? No.
   Ok, I did write about not wanting to get money for this and it may sound for some people like the same but it isn't.
   
   Is it kind of an unwritten forum law or of sports to argue completely missing the point of a thread?

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      Jayne Lancerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      What you are seeing informs of HOW hubbers and HubPages earn. It doesn't say that ALL hubbers actually DO earn.

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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   The statement is a legal requirement for us as typical hubbers. I think asking for it to be changed for those that are not using this site for its actual core purpose is unreasonable.

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   dtrposted 10 years ago

   It says: Hubbers (authors) earn money on *this page*. If fhe actual page is a so called Hub I am the author of, it says on *this page*, that I am getting paid -- a lie. On *this page* I can be the only author who gets paid, because I am the only author on *this page*. No other author could earn revenue on *this page*. It's a wording thing to be corrected.
   
   ->Jayne Lancer
   The line would have to begin with "Hubbers on HubPages" (not "on this page") to get close to what you mean. Nonetheless writing about those without any fürther restriction quite means all there.
   (propositional logic: peas in this pot are green => there are no yellow peas in it)
   
   -> psycheskinner
   1. It can't be a legal requirement to tell bullshit about someone.
   2. The core purpose of the site isn't what you think.
   It can be reviewed on top of http://hubpages.com/about/us.
   "ad revenue" is just one of "all sorts of rewards" hubbers can earn.
   
   But really thanks to both of you for referring to the topic.

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      Jayne Lancerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Considering your very poor standard of English, how can you possibly be eligible to tell us how the line should be phrased?
      
      As I said in my previous post, the line only informs of HOW money is earned, whether by HubPages or hubbers.

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         dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         > Considering your very poor standard of English,
         I take this seriously. German autocorrect of IE10 isn't helpful and the form field the size of four stamps isn't either. I promise to improve.
         Yes, I have no completely valid idea, how the line has to be written (in regard to what's intended and legal issues). But my English is sufficient  to recognize what's obvious.
         
         For example take a look on this forum page, read the footer line and ask yourself:
         Is there any hubber who earns revenue ON THIS PAGE?
         (yes there may be hubbers on this page who earn revenue, but they don't do it on *this page*)
         If there is only one hubber on a page and who doesn't earn revenue the told way, it is also a false statement.

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            Jayne Lancerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            As far as this page is concerned, somebody would have to click on an ad before anyone earns from it. It's quite possible that nobody has ever earned from this page so far.
            
            And there are no ads on this page http://hubpages.com/faq/ , so nobody could possibly ever earn from it--neither HubPages nor hubbers--yet the statement remains in the footer.
            
            As I've said twice before, the line only informs of HOW revenue is earned on HubPages, or can be earned, whether by HubPages or hubbers if anyone. To imply what you're trying to tell us, the words ALL and ALWAYS would need to be included.
            
            Anyway, no matter what you think, the statement obviously fulfills a requirement, legal or otherwise, and that's all it's supposed to do. Whether it seems truthful in your opinion interests nobody.

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               dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               If you think, the statement
               "Elephants in Africa are female"
               is true because it has to begin with "All" in case of all elephants are meant, you and I have never anything to discuss in life.
               Same if you think the footer statement is valid for this forum page.
               If it is about authors on HubPages and not on this page, it can't be written like that. More of all, they don't earn revenue 'on this page'. This has nothing to do with my opinion.
               
               "Elephants in Africa do Breakdance to bongo drums."
               This of course doesn't say there are elephants doing Breakdance at all.
               It means: If they do, they are moved by bongo drums.
               
               It is obvious, that the footer statement is intended to fullfil legal requirements (not it does). That doesn't mean, it may or has to tell what's untrue, false, wrong.
               
               This is the only place to report issues like that (it isn't essentially a technical issue but may be solved technically). These issues are directed to those who can fix it. There can be a discussion about anything so it is ok to report issues in a forum. That doesn't mean, I desperately wanted to tell to and discuss it with any kind of bigger audience. So who isn't interested, may go or stay where he/she is more interested in. I admit, there are more thrilling topics.

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                  Jayne Lancerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  I went to the trouble of looking at your profile, where I read this statement: "Not natively speaking English, I explicitly want to encourage you to correct my mistakes."
                  
                  Thank you for the laugh.

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                     dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     So we are quits.

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      mariexotoniposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So... you just came on this site to complain about how the text is worded?
      You're either a troll or you're missing the point of HubPages completely.. or both. Or maybe you just want to try and prove you "know" something. Either way- seems like you're just wasting your time getting snarky with people who are replying to you... Pity.

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         dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Ehm, no? It has been more like this:
         I registered, filled the profile, entered categories (groups), read the small print, considered the line being a lie on "this page", my profile page. I reported the issue and got reproached with:
         - you can't expect money by not contributing
         - you make a fuss of things unworthy
         - you miss the HubPages thing
         - you just want to troll
         Pity
         
         The line is clearly a wrong statement on some pages and has to be adapted to be valid there. That's all I wanted to say. That's what I did.
         The most has been blown up by what's off topic.

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   FatFreddysCatposted 10 years ago

   Oh, for goodness sake.
   Stop feeding the troll, people ...

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      dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Trolls can for example be identified by recognizing:
      - they attack posters not posts
      - don't contribute to the topic

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    LeanManposted 10 years ago

    Maybe you would like to tackle world hunger, poverty and global warming... If you could apply the same amount of effort into that I am confident the world would be a better place by tea time on Thursday.......

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       dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       You think, this could be achieved by an amount of effort equally to less than 100 lines of text a day?
       Show me!

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    Millionaire Tipsposted 10 years ago

    I have to say I agree with the OP.  The wording is misleading.  I think that if the OP had been more gentle instead of attacking, other people may have seen the truth in it.
    
    "HubPages and Hubbers (authors) earn revenue on this page based on affiliate relationships and advertisements with partners including Amazon, eBay, Google, and others."
    
    Maybe some language could be added, such as "HubPages and [/or] Hubbers " or  "based on [any] affiliate relationships".  Either one or both of those would probably do the trick.

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    ChristinSposted 10 years ago

    Wow, are there not bigger issues in the grand cosmic scheme of the universe to be this concerned with?  If everyone poured this kind of energy into actual problems, the world would be a better place.  There is nothing wrong with the phrase as it is worded.  You are the only one here with a problem with it.  Perhaps that should illustrate something to you?

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       dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       > Wow, are there not bigger issues in the grand cosmic scheme of the universe to be this concerned with?
       People's interests are different. I could ask the same about lipsticks.
       > If everyone poured this kind of energy into actual problems, the world would be a better place.
       1. I just wanted to report the issue.
       2. If everyone poured any kind (amount?) of energy into actual problems, the world would be a better place
       >  There is nothing wrong with the phrase as it is worded.
       Reason:
       > You are the only one here with a problem with it.
       I may be the only one here, who reported it.
       Take a look on the post above yours.
       > Perhaps that should illustrate something to you?
       It does, but nothing, I don't already know.
       
       (sorry for ">" but the |quote|-thing didn't work for me)

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    relacheposted 10 years ago

    I'm going to let this guy just grind his axe, and get on with my own things.
    
    It's clear that even if the footer language is changed to make him happy, his own command of English is going to trip him up on writing Hubs and then he'll just be back here, complaining about having Hubs moderated or that they aren't earning him anything.

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    lobobrandonposted 10 years ago

    Spam!! If you're not happy with the way it works delete your account and find another place. Simple.

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       dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I don't need it simple, others may.

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       Bronwyn Hansenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I agree, lobobrandon. Spam.

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    Shinzuu Katameposted 10 years ago

    Seriously. You're the first and only person to complain about this, and you're whining like a little b----, too. Meanwhile, despite your profile and "arguments", you're not doing one constructive thing that you make yourself to be out doing. At this point, you might as well just find another website since I doubt anyone's going to want to follow you and read anything you want to say when this is all you even choose to do the second you join the site, and the days to follow.
    I seriously doubt you're even 1/2 the things you claim to be in your profile. I know real philanthropists and I studied with some of the best Psychology and HS professors in the state of Illinois. I've been an IT developer and engineer for 15 years and I've had my fair share of bad eggs. However, not one of these people have such a pathetic approach on such petty subjects.
    You want to study human relationships? Here's a good note for you: Such displays of ignorance and stubbornness on insignificant subjects/topics like this and, at the same time, remaining completely unproductive and not paying mind to perfectly stated reasoning, will repel people from you, not attract them.
    If you're here to write, write. Don't waste people's times with this nonsense.

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       dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       > (...) and you're whining like a little b----, too.
       You're misbehaving. Your estimation of my emotional state is incorrect. In fact, the highest levels I felt in this discussion have been from irritation to amusement. But thank you for showing that even rude appearance doesn't prevent from gaining readers and followers.
       
       > Meanwhile, despite your profile and "arguments", you're not doing one constructive thing
       > that you make yourself to be out doing.
       1. You don't know what I am doing.
       2. There came several facts up, withholding me.
       3. If people like you are exemplary for the audience I might face, I wasted my time already by registering.
       
       > since I doubt anyone's going to want to follow you and read anything you want to say
       > when this is all you even choose to do the second you join the site, and the days to follow.
       There even are people following you.
       
       > I seriously doubt you're even 1/2 the things you claim to be in your profile.
       The quality of your estimation is already proven to me.
       
       > I know real philanthropists and I studied with some of the best
       > Psychology and HS professors in the state of Illinois.
       You may try to learn from them before judging people on actually no information.
       
       > I've been an IT developer and engineer for 15 years and I've had my fair share of bad eggs.
       I've been an IT developer and engineer for 30 years and I've had my fair share of bad eggs.
       
       > However, not one of these people have such a pathetic approach on such petty subjects.
       This proofs nothing but the purpose of this statement: Insult.
       
       > You want to study human relationships? Here's a good note for you:
       Mercy!
       
       > Such displays of ignorance and stubbornness
       Being in computer games, try Civilization!
       
       > on insignificant subjects/topics like this
       Yes! I just have to work me into computer games someday.
       
       > and, at the same time, remaining completely unproductive
       Accept the fact that there is production in the world not or not yet shown in HubPages.
       
       > and not paying mind to perfectly stated reasoning,
       This shows, you didn't read.
       I went into nearly every answer, even off topic ones. In detail reading and thinking are basic conditions for me to answer.
       This yielded to the blame, I could invest the effort in something more useful. So what shall it be?
       
       > will repel people from you, not attract them.
       There is a time and there are methods to attract someone and others to repel.
       This topic has neither been opened to attract nor to repel someone, but just for information.
       
       > Don't waste people's times with this nonsense.
       After reading your profile, I don't see your general problem in wasting time with nonsense.

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    BigBlue54posted 10 years ago

    As the people who can best resolve this issue are HubPages then why are you not talking to them?

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       dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I don't know how. Perhaps I accepted the fact too early, that they want to have things discussed before getting into it. I didn't find an email address or a contact form to do that.
       Do you know?

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          BigBlue54posted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Have you taken a look at the help page? At the bottom of the page there is a list of problems. I would suggest the sixth one down "I have suggestions for HubPages" may be the one you want.
          
          I hope that is of help dtr.

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             dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             Thank you.

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          lbsf1posted 10 years agoin reply to this

          I will be honest, if you have spotted that tiny writing at the bottom of the page and decided to do a lawyeresque breakdown of its meaning then I am incredibly surprised that you didn't spot the link called help written in larger text also in the footer which would have allowed you to contact hubpages directly.

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             paradigmsearchposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             But that would have been far less entertaining.

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             Jayne Lancerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             Quite!

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             dtrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             There was no help needed, FAQ answered the question of what to do perfectly. I even wasn't surprised because
             1. social platforms generally avoid to get 1000s of e-mails a day
             2. I expected HubPages representatives to answer at the forum

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    BigBlue54posted 10 years ago

    Any time.

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    Glow Pebblesposted 10 years ago

    To what you speak of, 'based on' and 'relationships' are the main operative words of the sentence which establishes that there is a condition before any financial transfer is to take place; therefore if you do not sign up to any of the below mentioned affiliates thus choosing not to 'base' a 'relationship' with any 'affiliates' then this sentence does not apply to you. The words 'based on' and 'relationships' refer to the conditions on which money is earned.
    
    It's like saying if you give me a lift I'll pay you, if I don't agree to take the lift, I don't have to give you any money, therefore establishing no 'relationship' ! ;-D
    
    Hope this helps. 
    
    HubPages and Hubbers (authors) earn revenue on this page based on affiliate relationships and advertisements with partners including Amazon, eBay, Google, and others.

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    Moon Daisyposted 10 years ago

    I love it that this issue will be solved in such a simple way, with the use of just one word!
    
    OP, I don't believe that you're a troll.  You remind me of several people that I know, (some of whom I'm related to!)  People who are very pedantic by nature, and who focus in on the details of things and become a bit obsessed with them.  I'm a little like this myself. 
    
    From my experience programmers often tend to be like this!  After all, minute attention to detail, and a good grasp of logic are exactly what's needed to be a good programmer.  I don't think there's anything wrong with this, except sometimes people don't get you, and don't understand the point you're trying to make.

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    Jayne Lancerposted 10 years ago

    I think the word 'may' makes the statement seem vague. It was perfectly clear for any native speaker of English as it was. Or it needs to be rephrased beginning with, 'If HubPages and Hubbers (authors) earn revenue on this page ...'
    
    But who cares, anyway?
    
    I'm just very disappointed that HubPages has implemented a change suggested by a non-hubbing hubber without further ado when suggestions by legitimate hubbers often seem to land on a 'to do' list until eventually forgotten.
    
    To make matters worse, the change made was unnecessary, and the non-hubbing hubber is not qualified to make any remark concerning finer points of the English language--especially because he can barely string a sentence together!

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