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Whereas I'm somewhat curious to see how HubPages new experiment for helping authors get Hub feedback help works out on the Hub author end, I'm quite dreading it as a forum reader, because it's all too clear that the entire HubPages-focused forums are about to turn into nothing but these requests for help. Post after post made with just the click of a button. Just imagine how many people are going to do that for every single one of their hundreds of low-quality Hubs...
I really think it would be worthwhile to make it so that these requests are in some area of the forums that can stand-alone or be filtered so that users can truly choose to participate in this feature or not.
I can't think of a single person that wants to be drowned in "help me with my Hub" posts, and yet it seems that's what is about to be unleashed on all of the people who read the HubPages forum topics.
I think your concerns are premature. I don't see "hundreds of low-quality Hubs" on forum posts. I do, however, find them on HubPages and think they do need to be improved or moved to another place.
I agree about the many low quality hubs and keyword stuffed summaries I am seeing here. They need to correct or leave...period!
Thank you Writer Fox for that intelligent reply to relache. Wish there was a "like" button! :-)
I don't think it hurts to see them. We can choose whether or not to respond to them. Even if only one experienced hubber responds to each call for help, we could potentially see huge improvements. That's got to be a good thing.
We already have a forum called "Get Help for Improving Your Hub"...so why is that not being used right now, and why can it not be a good place for people with these types of problems to seek help? They should not be posting on the discussion forums anyhow, but more and more they are doing this and as long as other writers help them there, they will continue to do that. I've been guilty of doing this myself, but no more. It's getting out of hand already.
What the new feature does is make it easier for the Hubber to post their Hub to the existing "Improving Your Hub" forum, so it is being used.
I think it's a great thing if it makes newbies more aware that the Improving Your Hub forum exists and encourages them to take advantage of it. Maybe it would be better if there was a way to quarantine it off from the feed so we don't get overwhelmed by it, but let's see what happens.
I think those that use it as it's intended will find it beneficial. It's a helpful feature. I would rather see threads asking for help rather than the 'complaint/rant' threads.
Hopefully the hubber asking for help will be able to take from the helpful comments that which will work best for their particular writing style. I already see some comments that, while helpful, may not be taking a writer's style into consideration. Not everyone writes the same way, nor should we.
+1,000,000,000-thank you Relache. You have eloquently elucidated what I have been thinking. Instead of asking for this type of feedback, just go to the Learning Center which will instruct new hubbers as to how to write an engaging, knowledgeable hub. It is so easy to go the Learning Center- all the information is there right at their fingertips.
We've had people ask for a way to tell other Hubbers about errors and issues on their hub. We have also been complaining about the low quality hubs on the site.
This is our way to fix that. It is my hope that when we give input on specific hubs,
1. that Hubber will use it to fix that specific hub
2. that Hubber will take the knowledge and apply it to his/her future hubs
3. hopefully, the Hubber will take the knowledge and apply it to his/her past hubs
4. other people will also read it and learn things and also apply it to their hubs
Sometimes you can't tell what you are doing wrong until someone else looks at your work. With this feature, people will have real life case examples to help them figure out the quality standards on the site.
Although right now the asking for feedback is not really overwhelming, it has the potential to become that. I want to see a separate place where this could be addressed. The Hub Hopper is not really a useful place for people to do this. I also believe that even if only few help out, HP will truly benefit.
I personally feel that it is a good idea as long as the question or guidance is practical. As Marcy Goodfeisch has said the forum is abut discussion, why not discuss other's hubs to achieve best practice for all.
I agree with TimeTraveler "We already have a forum called "Get Help for Improving Your Hub"...so why is that not being used right now." I haven't really paid attention to the fact that this forum exists, but I'll check it out shortly. It makes sense. We need a place for people to get help, and here it is.
Don't know if it will help but hopefully it does. Right now there are about 5 "I'd like feedback on my hub..." in the forums.
By the way, where is that elusive button? Out of curiosity, I still can't locate that button.
I just posted a request for help understanding why my hub was unfeatured today, too :-/ Even after six or so years here on Hubpages, I'm actually still a bit lost as to why it had to go through QAP three times before it was finally published and featured, as it passes the page for spammy elements. Oh, well.
I've not been able to find any information on this new feature that you're talking about. What is it, where is it, and what does it do? I'm seeing something about a button, but don't appear to have any buttons. This account is a new one (consolidating again!) and even if it only shows up on new accounts, I should be seeing it.
Bumping because this has become a hot issue with forum users now, 15 months later.
Ridiculous! There are no less than 15 "I'd like feedback..posts"
...and most of them are from the same person!
Good idea to bump this. I'd actually forgotten all about it, and somewhere between fifteen months ago and now the forums have (to me, anyway) started looking so different from what they used to, I guess I've done some "kind of disconnect", forgotten this, and started thinking all these "feedback askers" are just new people who think that's how to call attention to themselves on here. The threads don't bother me, personally. I just ignore them, thinking "oh, another one of these...". Now that I know better (remember better) I'll still ignore them because with the state-of-affairs that I've got my own two accounts in at this point (hacked down to nothing and/or half-baked), I don't feel like I'm in a position to offer anyone else advice about "quality" Hubs. I don't know... when all is said and done I just think, "The people who set the guidelines are the people who should be advising about them."
I have responded to many requests for help. In some cases my help was useful and implemented to good results. But in most cases, and increasingly so, the hubs lack basic English. Those are a time wasting lost cause.
1. Set up a simple English language test upon signing up for HubPages. No pass, no membership. That should filter out the (now) majority of hubs that don't pass QAP.
2. Like Relache suggests, we move this feature into a new forum category. Furthermore, on this unique forum thread, veteran hubbers could offer proper proofreading / editing services at a small price of, say, 10% from author's share of revenue on each hub being featured as a result of services rendered.
Committing to help a newbie could be rewarding all around.
I'd like feedback on my hub, "Bambi and Thumper - The Wild Night and Untold Story"
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