I missed that. Was it a real apology or one with a kicker?
I missed it too. What did he apologize for?
And without knowing any information...yes it was enough! She is an idiot and whatever he said, short of wishing harm on her, was probably correct!
He really didn't apologize. He retold the jokes that offended Palin and her husband. And explained his side. They claimed they were sexually-oriented jokes aimed at their 14 year old daughter. He explained they were sexually-oriented jokes aimed at their 18 year-old daughter.
I don't remember the exact jokes but it was something like the hardest part of the NYC trip was keeping Guiliani away from their daughter. Then there was another joke about ARod knocking up their daughter. Then he did a top 10 joke about Sarah Palin getting rid of her hooker-like fight attendant appearance.
He did say he was sorry, but didn't sound like it.
It was explained that being 'knocked up' wasn't, as Todd Palin misinterpreted, 'being raped'.
It sounds like Dave did a good job on her.
Todd Palin! LOL It's a wonder he can even partially understand more terms than just his name. The guy is mono-syllabic.
And of course you know the man personally, right? As well, who are you say such things? I am a genius, and I would not say such things about anyone. Try sticking to the facts and figures. The rest just makes you appear resentful and ignorant...among other things.
Attack me. I can defend myself!
It's really a shame that the media has finally lost all sense of boundaries when it comes to things like this with political candidates CHILDREN. There used to be an unspoken rule - you don't go there.
It was really imminent in the last campaign and obviously will go on forever now. It's really said.
The Palin's are extremely nice people and had no idea what they were getting into, that's for sure.
They're not nice enough not to be out killing animals and being proud of it. I'm sorry - I just see her and family a joke.
Sarah Palin is NOT a nice person. Sarah Palin is a dominionist who believes that you make war in the name of Christ. Sarah Palin is being courted by Krisol and Rove, to dirty politicians who wanted to go into Iraq for oil before 9/11 and who were members of PNAC, an organization that hoped for a 9/11 type event, a "New Pearl Harbor" put up on their website in 2000, a full year before 9/11.
Sarah Palin believes in provoking Russia and even a true conservative like Pat Buchanan has written that this neocon scheme to insite Russia is dangerous folly.
So, girly girl, it isn't how people act as pr., it is what they think, do and stand for that matters. Sarah Palin is a very dangerous woman.
I have strong religious views but Palin has views of war that are not Christian.
It was tasteless and showed poor research skills on the part of David Letterman's writers. The jokes referred to the daughter Sarah Palin had brought along on her trip, with the assumption that it was the 18 year old daughter. But Sarah brought her 14-year old, not the 18-year old. That tells me either Letterman's joke writers condone child molestation/statutory rape, or they were too lazy to double check which daughter came along with Sarah.
Curiozities, I think you just explained the whole controversey, the writers didn't take the time to find out which daughter travelled with her.
I'm not fan of Palin - at all. I did find using her daughter - either one - in bad taste.
The joke about her slutty appearance was fair game - but in my opinion not funny.
But Letterman is trying to beat Conan. Hence Palin jokes and Howard Stern in the same week.
I thought he was funny about it. He pointed out that the jokes were tasteless, and he went for the cheap laughs - but that that's what he's being doing for 30 years. He also invited her and her husband on his show.
Sarah Palin is a joke to herself. I was on a cruise to Alaska prior to the nominations. I was a dork, asking all the folks about her, and they had nothing to say except contempt.
Have you seen her office? King crab on the coffee table and a bear skin draped on her sofa..... I would like to see how her aim is off a copter while shooting wolves.....
Sometimes the small stuff people do make us think little of them. One thing that bugged me was that she let her little girl carry the baby, who was too big for the little kid to carry. All I could think of was how most mothers wouldn't risk having their baby dropped. Then I saw the mother walking with the baby slung over her arm, as if he was a pocketbook. She showed no signs of "being close" or affectionate in the way she handled the baby. Small things, I know; but - points off as far as I was concerned. Then that whole hunting thing and turkey farm thing, etc. etc. She just doesn't come across as if she's got a shred of depth to her.
But if she lived in a liberal city in the Northeast and voted democrat and had the 'good taste' to snicker at those silly 'clinging to their guns and religion' people Obama dismissed on the campaign trail then she would have "depth" right?
You may be surprised to know that I am among the 16% (I think) in Massachusetts who are registered as Republicans. Sarah Palin was the reason I would not vote for McCain. She did not in any way represent me or my views on any number of issues. I would have liked to have seen someone run who represented the large number of Republicans who are not "Right-wing nuts" or "religious nuts" or lovers of guns.
You would have liked to have seen a more 'liberal' republican of the sort that plays (a little) better in NE run? Fine. Why wouldn't a candidate closer to your views be more attractive to you? That doesn't make 'the wrong kind' of republican - the kind you are embarrassed to talk about with your friends from Cambridge or Brookline - 'stupid' or 'without depth.' That's just blockheaded political bias and you, as a deep, evolved, aware, elitist, superior, brilliant higher being should know better.
No, I would not have wanted a more Liberal Republican. It isn't necessarily Liberal to be against killing animals for fun. It isn't Liberal to want to a candidate who spoke in a professional, polished, educated-sounding, and refined way.
To me, it isn't elitist or any of those other things you mentioned to be against killing animals for fun; and then making a huge deal about it during the campaign. Yes, someone who considers the value of life of all creatures has more depth to him than someone who thinks it's fun to kill. I actually don't have any friends in Cambridge and Brookline. My little circle of friends and family (with the exception of my grown kids) all think very much as I do.
I don't know where you made up all that stuff you said from. It wasn't about being embarrassed by Palin. It was about knowing she was nothing like me (also a "middle-class, suburban, former Little League Mom). Yes, it was about thinking she is no Einstein. I'll admit that much; but a lot of people expect leaders to show evidence of (maybe not Einstein's, but) a high intellect. I think she was smart enough to have gotten herself through college, but that - to me - is not having the kind of intellect that I think leaders ought to have. Some people want to vote for someone who is like they are. Others want to vote to someone who seems more capable and leadership-worthy than they are. She didn't fit either of those bills for me. It was all about her for me - not anything or anyone else. I have no doubt she's probably a smart-enough person, just like so many other people in the world are. I don't think she shows any signs of any particular brilliance. Maybe if they had have played up her less-than-refined background they could have pulled it off. Instead, they made a big deal about what a "regular" person she is; and to me, she's not "regular". Oh - and then throw in the beauty pageant background for added signs of being a person of substance. ????
There are an awful lot of hunters in this country. Are they all worthy of your disdain? And do you think hunters necessarily don't value life? How about fishermen? Farmers?
Are all women who are more physically attractive than you without substance?
You're saying that if she was completely the opposite of what she was that she'd actually be a decent human being?
No, I'm saying that if her lifestyle and poltical views were what pretentious elitists from the 'correct' part of the country know are best for everyone she would suddenly become "a decent human being" because anyone who doesn't think and live the way the enlightened ones approve of cannot be "a decent human being."
Come on with this junk...
Why are people who'd disagree with her be 'pretentious' and 'elitist'? Isn't that coming across as a bit pretentious and elitist?
It isn't the disagreeing with political views that is elitist and pretentious, it is deciding she isn't "a decent human being" because you disagree (but more because she commits the sins of hunting and going to church and not acting and talking like the people at the cocktail parties in NY and LA) that is elitist and pretentious.
Thank goodness for the electoral college.
Of course, making assumptions that 'all' people in the 'correct' part of the country attend cocktail parties and think the same is also elitist and pretentious.
This is the problem, TK, you accuse others of being 'typical liberals' or bigots. What you fail to see is that you are a hypocrite, and have the most narrow minded view of all - if somebody does not agree with your limited views, they are elitist or bigoted. Try opening your mind a little.
Most people debate to see other points of view, and learn something new about the world. You, on the other hand, just want to throw your weight around and prove how tough you are.
Personally, I am not impressed by your inherent need to feel superior. By the looks of things, neither is anybody else.
Who did I call "typical liberals"? I call bigots, bigots for good reason.
Seems to be a pretty broad statement to me.
You talk about "unsupported liberal talking points.' Of course, this is alongside your references to cocktail parties and 'the correct part' of the country.
How about I make the assumption that you are a bigot? For good reason, of course
On one occasion, TK, you did answer questions, and I thought that we could have an interesting debate. Instead, you reverted to making one-liners, ad hominem attacks and assumptions about others. I like people with differing opinions but, in a debate, you need to bring something to the table - you rarely do.
Pretty sweeping, TK. Your usual tactic of conveniently ignoring the rest of the post.
Just trying to determine who I called "Typical liberals."
Just to make sure that there is not a miscommunication going on here, it was not meant to be a direct quote; for that, I would have used double quotation marks.
Anything to offer other than pedantic semantics, TK?
I have a friend who was a guest on the Letterman show. I've always thought of her as having good sense. She thought he was "a jerk". It's all gossip, even if true. He may be a good entertainer-- I never cared for his show, but I think he may be proving some of his jerkiness.
Does't matter how much "depth" anyone has, personal sexual slurs involving children are not funny.
Even if people dislike Sarah Palin, it's still no excuse for the media to attack her children. Especially if the jokes are of a sexual nature. None of her children ran for office. None of them asked for this. Think of how their lives have changed.
I don't want to get into a whole debate here, but I can assure you that Sarah and Todd Palin are very gracious, caring individuals.
Any family looks bad under a microscope, especially a family that says they have conservative values - they tend to get torn apart even more because finding dirt makes it that more juicier. It makes for good press that equals millions, if not billions of dollars.
One of the reasons I left my last job is because I got so entirely sick of the media twisting things around, trying to damage credibility without any consideration as what it can do to people's personal lives. It's all about making another dollar and having the highest subscription rates. It's the price they pay for being in the public eye, I guess.
All I'm going to say is that my last job was in politics.
I know for certain that the Palins are wonderful people, and their children are very lucky to have such loving parents.
I may not understand their hunting and fishing as I'm a city girl, myself, but that's the Alaskan culture. It's almost like another country out there.
Exactly correct - Nobody knows anything about Sarah Palin except that she's a conservative and has family values. That seems to be enough for the media to rip you apart today, without needing to apologize
LOL - Family values? Ah - you mean unprotected teenage sex and divorce. OK. Not the sort of family values I want to pass on to my kids. I do know she likes to kill polar bears though. Is that a conservative value? Killing off the polar bears? Did not know that.
Don't forget shooting wolves from helicopters. Now there's a lovely family activity! Who needs Scrabble when you can shoot wolves from a helicopter together?
What is it about Sarah Palin that scares you guys so much?
She was on the public scene for about a month and became the most hated person since Charlie Manson. I wish I could see it.
I'm not surprised if someone said Letterman is a jerk. He doesn't strike me as someone I'd want to be best friends with if he lived next door to me.
I agree that it's a lousy thing for people to make tasteless jokes about people's kids, and - ideally - I think people should be above that. Still, when someone decides they're going to drag their whole family through the whole high-profile thing, there's going to be some idiots who make tasteless jokes. I don't think it's such a bad thing for these parents to teach their kids that people are going to say lousy things, and the kids need to just think, "What a jerk" and don't pay any attention to it. Making a big issue out of it sends the message to the kids that it's a big issue. They need to learn it's just some comedian making a lousy joke, and it isn't worth being upset over.
I don't really understand why you seem to be so worked about one person saying they're not impressed by Sarah Palin. What's that all about? Is everybody supposed to be the impressed by the same people you are? Well, that's not how the world works. People all think differently (and that's not such a bad thing).
Most people, when considering whom to vote for, try to size up a candidate as far as how intelligent they seem to be goes. I'm no different, and Sarah Palin didn't strike me as having the level of intelligence I want in someone who will be Vice President. I'm not interested in how nicely someone's suits fit.
And do I think I'm more intelligent than she? Yes. I suspect I am. If you saw the kids I've raised, compared to the kids she's raised, you'd probably think the same thing. (Whoa - get the rotten eggs to throw now.) Seriously, though, why are you getting all worked up? So people think differently than you do - so what?
I tire of the petty nonsense masquerading as political views. I don't agree with the president on most issues but that does not make him stupid, ugly, or shallow. It means I disagree with him.
So anyway, how did YOU do as governor of a state? And what series of tests did you conduct to determine that your children are superior to hers? Do you get the point yet?
I don't happen to think that being a governor is the measure of anything other than managing to get elected. If anyone ever learns the IQ's of a lot of elected officials they will see that being an elected official is neither a sign of brilliance nor of integrity.
I don't happen to like the word, "superior", because I don't think any people are ever "superior" to other people. I'm not going to get further into explaining what it is that makes me (and a lot of people who know me and my kids) say I've done a better job. I will say, though, that as long as you brought up "tests" - sure, my kids have had tests of one sort or another (either because of being several years ahead of grade level; or in the case of my adopted son, as a follow-up to placement). Those tests just back up what I say. I'm not getting farther into trying to convince someone who has made up his mind that anyone who isn't impressed by Sarah Palin must be whatever it is you imagine (and being pushed into remarks that are going to look obnoxious, no matter how modest and non-elitist a person I am).
I'm trying to figure out what your problem is: Let's see. You obviously don't like Liberals. You apparently think Republicans are all supposed to like whoever and whatever someone thinks they're supposed to like. You're either attacking me because you think I should just fall in line and think like a robot, or else because my not being impressed by someone who obviously impresses you may be threatening to you?
Obviously, you are not capable of imagining that someone who just doesn't happen to think much of one individual candidate for Vice President may be a perfectly nice person who doesn't happen like someone you apparently do.
To sum it up, I don't think Sarah Palin is a horrible person. I'm just not impressed by her, and I don't think she has what a high-level political figure and leader should have. Again, what's the big deal.
How did I know you would say that?
But you seem to employ its meaning nonetheless.
Really? Because I thought I had been pretty clear about it.
I tire of the petty nonsense masquerading as political views. I don't agree with the president on most issues but that does not make him stupid, ugly, or shallow. It means I disagree with him.
If you had said that from the get-go we would have had no problems.
So anyway, where are all the women's rights groups standing up to this stuff? You'd think this, if anything, would raise the ire of feminist organizations and prominent individuals and such.
The jokes were tacky and crude, but I'd hope the women's rights groups would keep perspective that Letterman is a comedian, not an elected official or anyone else expected to "behave properly". I'd hope women's rights people would spend their time on more important issues than what Letterman says.
Let's remember...when you're a celebrity...you're fair game for anything anyone wants to say about you because this is America and we have the luxury of free speech.
Was it abuse of young women? Perhaps and it is the responsibility of women to rise up and let Letterman or anyone else know that such free speech is intolerable.
I'm not masquerading anything. Whether I agree with some of Palin's political views or not is one thing. Whether I agree with all of them or not is another thing. Whether I'm impressed with her as a person being considered for Vice President is yet another thing. Every voter weighs all those things and makes his judgments.
I want to feel that any candidate has some substance to him before ever even being considered as a candidate. She may have substance, but it wasn't showing if she does. I could have overlooked the hunting thing. It wasn't just that. It was the whole picture. It wasn't even the accent she had (that people were making fun of), but there was something about the way she talked to people that struck me as her not having a good enough understanding.
I don't think it's a terrible thing for people to want to sense substance in candidates. It isn't a matter of being a snob. It's a matter of taking high office seriously and thinking there should be some minimal level of substance and core. She just doesn't strike me as someone who has what I think someone in high office should have. I'd like "the world" to figure out that Republicans are not all the "typical redneck" (other people's word, not mine) from the woods, or "right-wing nuts" or "religious nuts". Those stereotypes do a giant disservice to Republican philosophy.
Why do people even care what Letterman or Conan think? Consider the sources, they're both idiots.
To each his own, I guess. Personally, I think their humor is poor at best.
At the time we get it in Australia there is nothing else on tv except info-mercials
I'm going to dare (in view of tk's presence and tendencies on this post) to say that I think Conan and Letterman are both very funny.
I probably should leave well enough alone, but that last comment "inspired" just one more from me. I'll admit to not thinking very highly of someone who kills innocent animals for fun. On that count, yes, I do think less of her. For me, though, any objections to the way she talks had nothing to do with not talking like others who attend cocktail parties. If that idea came to your mind it was something you assumed. I don't even care that has a "bumpkin" accent. I don't like my own accent either. She talks as if she's a kindergarten teacher teaching class. Even kindergarten children don't like being talked to that way much of the time. I won't elaborate further on how she talks.
I have no opinions about who goes to church and who doesn't. Again, if you assumed that about me it was you assuming something that isn't true. I'll admit the video with her at the weird church thing with the weird ministers doing some strange thing wasn't my cup of tea. I'm more comfortable with someone who attends a mainstream church. Having said that, I can respect people's choice about attending church.
You jumped to all those conclusions, not based on what I said, but on things you imagined I "must" think. Then, after you did that, you started with all the elitist talk. I'll always remember something Hilary Clinton said. She said how people see/hear one thing from a "snapshot" of someone. From there, people "fill in the rest of the story". It's one thing for people to hate or be angry with someone for what someone actually says/thinks. It's another when they hate or get angry over what they've filled in from one of those "snapshots". I don't mean to seem like I'm lecturing. I think the fact that so many people do that is something people do need to talk about. Heck, that's why discussion is a good thing. I've never been one to particularly care (at least in a "debate") who "attacks" me for what I do say or really think. It isn't fair to someone, though, to fill in the rest of that "snapshot" (that comes from a few things they say) and then attack them for what has been "filled into the blanks". End of "little lecture". I just thought something constructive might be worth posting at the end of all this.
(Should have read, "that she has a bumpkin accent..")
I don't. My point there was that it is other "issues" with how she talks that I do care about, even though a lot of other people were making fun of her "bumpkin" accent. I do think, though, that a lot of that folksy talk she did was put on and intended just to fool the people deemed to like someone so folksy. I'm guessing she doesn't talk like that in real life; and that's one of the things that bugged me about her. That's the thing - she came across to me as phony. Is "bumpkin" a nice thing to say? No, but I often refer to myself as a bumpkin (for reasons other than how I speak) - so I didn't see it as such a horrible thing either.
Don't worry about it, Lisa - he is doing his condescending thing where he tries to pick apart other opinions, whilst rarely offering any of his own.
I have a bumpkin accent, too
On the fact that there were times when she was sitting down with people and talking, rather than standing at a podium, when she didn't have the same degree of "cutesy/folksy" in her speech.
What is this? Court? No. I don't happen to have any clips on hand. I don't like Sarah Palin. Why would I save clips or URL's to clips of her (either giving a speech, debating, or sitting down and talking)? I'm sure you could see what I mean if you wanted to be bothered hunting down some.
You are amazing. Hang onto the fact that I don't have clips of Palin to back up what I've said. A whole lot of people have observed the exact same thing that I have. I am confident that if I wanted to be bothered I could easily find clips to show exactly what I have observed; but even though I'm happy to waste a certain portion of my days off talking about someone who isn't likely to return the her previous level of public attention, I'm not about to hunt down clips.
Do you have clips that show Sarah Palin ALWAYS coming across as folksy and goofy?
cindy, welcome to the "Letterman" thread. It isn't quite as much fun as that chocolate/masturbation thread, is it.. (I can't believe I even typed that word. (Don't mind me. I think it's my generation.)
I believe so, I do not understand, just what is being taught. Being well taught 46 of comments from the teacher.
Aren't the bumpkins those cute creatures in the Wizard of Oz?
Maybe Lisa is very intuitive and perceptive and you can't mock her for that.
I think Sensei, that the only one making assumptions here is you.
We don't get either of them in China! But I did see sarah palin on clips on CNN and BBC and Lisa, I agree with you. She used being folksy as a campaign ploy.
Well, thank goodness - a witness for this inquisition.
pggrundy, I agree with you. Other politicans do a better job of keeping their kids off the world stage. That's the kind of thing that made Palin "lose points in my book". (The lawn thing is funny.)
I don't know. I think both Letterman and Palin lack taste and good sense, but if I had to take sides it would be with Letterman. He's an entertainer, and he's ALWAYS been mean. Palin, as someone with an eye on the Presidency ought to be bigger than this, but she isn't. She's a tiny hearted tiny minded little little person.
Lots of comedians are mean to public figures, and Palin opens herself up to this crap by trotting out her kids as examples of her moral agenda and how great it is. That's unnecessary and selfish.
Look at how Obama keeps his girls under wraps. Look at how the Clintons protected Chelsea when she was small. But Palin trots these kids out like they are trained ponies or something, then cries foul when something ugly happens. Why not be a real Mom and keep them out of the public eye and run on her own merits instead of, "Look at me and my perfect gazillion Christian kids"? Maybe because all she has is her right wing image and her outrage when anyone makes fun of it.
I had a neighbor once who was always getting mad at another neighbor for calling her girls 'sluts', so one day she went over to the neighbor's house to 'have a talk about it'. She brought a big wrench to the talk, a big heavy wrench, and got into a knock-down drag-out on the front lawn with the neighbor. In spite of the wrench, the neighbor won and knocked two of the protective mom's teeth out.
Palin belongs on Springer or in my old neighborhood, not in national politics.
So if someone made a joke about raping your 14 year old daughter on national TV you'd just have a good natured chuckle at it? Would Obama just laugh off such a comment about his girls? Would Clinton?
Recall that the media pretty much always handled Chelsea with kid gloves when they mentioned her at all? Who in the media today would sink so low as to make sex jokes about Obama's girls? I guess class and decency only apply to those with the 'correct' political views...
It's all very transparent
Actually John McCain made the following joke publicly about Chelsea Clinton:
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father."
He apologized but there was a big flap about it.
I guess if you're a Republican Senator it's ok if you act like pig but if you're a comedian who earns his living acting like a pig, it's not.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Also weird that McCain, who thinks its fine to mock adolescent girls in crude ways in public picked Palin as a running mate. What a circus.
Are you kidding? You CANNOT go a week without seeing them on TV in some well managed photo op. Come on now...
So, the 14 year old girl asked to be joked about as being knocked up? She was speaking at a charity and brought her kid to see the Big Apple and a Yankee game. The same thing millions of Americans do with their kids.
Ok I guess it's fair then. Bidn's kid is known to have used cocaine so I guess we can now joke about the Biden's Junkie kid. I'll do a hub on that one this week---should be worth a million laughs. ha, ha. ha.
Obama had his kids all over the stage during his campaign, so I guess it's ok to joke about them too. I'll do a hub this week about the first family and the kids moving into the "Big House", isn't that what they referred to plantation homes as? Should be worth a million laughs.
Grow up--Letterman has been out of line for years, and was way out of line on this.
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What would you do? Have a good laugh about it? What a big, big heart you have.
I feel so American, talking politics and sipping my beermug filled with Southern Comfort and Rose's lime juice on ice.
I never did acquire a taste for SoCo. Too sweet.
Well, tk, maybe there is something we agree on (sort of). I've never even tasted Southern Comfort.
tk, it turns out it didn't take long at long to find a few clips for you:
The first two are "regular Sarah Palin" - no ridiculous folksy-wolksy talking. The third is a montage of some of her less than stellar speaking moments. I haven't bothered finding clips with the "you betcha" kind of stuff in them, because we've all seen lots of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oro2Yh9H … re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbSlc4XG … re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_ … re=related
Put these clips and all that cutesy stuff we've all seen, and you've got questioning how genuine she is, as well as questioning her ability to consistently be able to hold her own in conversation.
Why do these liberal "comedians" always go after successful woman conservative politicians and Woman's rights groups are deafeningly silent!!
How relevant is Sarah Palin right now? She's not running for anything. If kids are no longeer off limits why not have a top ten about Joe Biden's kid taking drugs?
Or how about a top ten of the stupid statements Biden makes every day. His latest being the defense of the stimulus bill job creation. He claims the tunnel that has been shelved for a couple of years between NY and NJ will now be built because of the Stimulus bill, and will allow thousands of vehicles to pass back and forth from NY and NJ. Only problem is----it's a train tunnel!! This is the VP of the US and provides enough material for a top ten everynight, funny I haven't heard one yet...
Hmmmmmmm I wonder why??
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The Shark, I think you're right about how she isn't relevant at this point, and her trip to New York resulted in the jokes. Then again, maybe the idea was to get a whole big thing going as a way of offsetting the new Tonight Show. Maybe it's a conspiracy between Palin and Lettermen to get themselves some attention (neither of one has been much in the limelight recently).
You may be on to something. Letterman and Andy Kauffman pulled a similar stunt in the 80's.
Oh I'm sure she needs the attention of someone talking about raping a 14 year old girl. I'd like to know where all the "Woman's groups" are. Aren't they suppossed to be offended by these kind of things? Isn't the NOW gang the same people that screamed Hillary was being "gang raped" in NY?
Ohhh, I for got Sarah is a REPUBLICAN, and it is ok to bash successful Republican woman and their children.
It's the same way the lib. media had editorial sketches of C. Rice looking like Ant Jemima or with huge lips. Can you imagine the out cry if someone depicted the sainted Hillary that way?
The funny part is that C. Rice is an intellectual, most of the fools knocking her couldn't carry on a serious debate with her.
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I read about the entire debacle with Sarah Palin, but honestly I think she doth protest too much. You know I heard horrible jokes made about Chelsea's appearance during Bill's time in office, and some comedians still grasping for fodder love to pick on her. However, I never saw Bill or Hillary go on the Today show demanding an apology.
Yes Letterman's joke was in poor taste, but what comedian usually does not cross the line? Comedians are irreverent, and Sarah Palin is giving Letterman too much credit by harping on this stupid joke.
I think Letterman is a funny guy, but he is not my favorite comedian. Also, asking him to apologize is sort of like begging because people will apologize when they realized they hurt someone, not because you demand it.
One commentator made a good point about how if Chelsea had been a teen mother the conservative media would have a field day with that, whereas I have not heard too much chagrinning of Bristol. Even though many liberal media commentators may not like Palin's politics, they often refer to how hot Sarah and Bristol are, but they said the opposite of Chelsea. Some of the things they said about her were much worse, but the Clintons were too busy with the business of running a country to give a comedian that much attention.
The media were very hands off with Chelsea when they were in office, and Bill and Hillary did give angry press conferences the one or two times she even came up in some stupid, inappropriate joke or something.
I was talking about comedians, and yes some conservative and liberal journalists did make disparaging remarks about Chelsea's appearance. Hillary never went on the Today show demanding an apology. She discouraged people to make those jokes, but I never saw Hillary take on Howard Stern and demand apologies from the likes of him. DK, you have pretty much rebutted everyone that disagrees with you because you always have to be right. You doth protest too much. The truth is all comedians are irreverent, and Chelsea did have some pretty bad things said about her. Even the liberal commentators that you do not like talk about how hot Bristol and Sarah are, but you did miss that.
Howard talked about how he was surprised anyone would ever want to be intimate with Chelsea, which I find offensive, but consider the source. Lay off Letterman already as his joke was not that funny, but you give him more credit by obsessing about it.
Is that the best way to solve problems, ignoring them?
I really doubt there is a conspiracy between Palin and Letterman. Palin strikes me as the type who complains about any comedian who makes jokes about her and her family, but yet she went on Saturday Night Live, which is a show known for its irreverent jokes towards most everybody.
"Only Palin's fringes offend me (she looks like a school girl!). If she thought she's gonna become VP of US with those Gee Fringes ... well, she was dead wrong in her tracks!"
Now you are insulting the fringe groups!
Besides, she could have easily covered those up when she was doing offical business by wearings some sort of citrus fruit helmet.
Rochelle, I know that's what I do. I just have to stay out of the produce section at the supermarket, though. You can probably imagine the potential for confusion. (In Fall I switch to a pumpkin.) (Good Lord, I have to stay away from this thread. I seem to have lost my mind.)
I guess nazishnasim deleted his/or her post. But the avatar has a sourpuss kitty-cat with some kind of fruit on its head.
I know her avatar. It's adorable. I just thought the image of a person (a grown woman) wearing that "helmet" was hilarious, though; so I couldn't resist expanding on it.
Lisa, and here I thought I am a 23 month old kitten! Thanks for shattering my bubble and reminding me of being a 23 year old grown woman!
P.S. I know you said that in good faith... Haaa... did you by the way?
That is funny, I have a daughter who is 24. I said in a recent phone conversation with her: well look you're going to be 25 in a few months.
She said---OMG Dad, did you have to say that??
lol--it happens to all of us. Listen to a song by John Sebastian called "Darling be home soon." He was young guy when wrote it, but one glaring line was "And now, a quarter of my life is almost passed". It was an eye opener for all of us that were in our late teens at that time.
He couldn't have been more than 22 when he wrote that.
Take it from me, at 23 you're still a baby.
Oh, no.... Let me try to repair the bubble: My remark was a follow-up to one earlier when someone suggested someone else wear a citrus helmet like "you" wear in your avatar (to which I then said I wear a citrus helmet at the grocery store, although I switch to a pumpkin helmet in Fall). So, the mental image of the grown woman was either of the other person or myself. You will, as far as I know, always be a kitten in a lime-hat to us, on HubPages.
I just threw the third one in because it was there. The main point is the interviews versus some of that "betcha" stuff. She's capable of coming across like a professional in the right interview. She apparently chooses to create the folksy thing when that's what is believed to win people over more. In other words, one of those speaking styles is phony, and we know which one. To me, those muck-ups in the interviews were a lot more than just tripping over a tongue.
I can't say I've seen Obama resort to that degree of silliness in an apparent effort to win over people presumed to prefer more folksy talk. He says whatever any given audience wants him to say, but he comes across in the same style every time.
When did everyone get so delicate?
You should see some of the hate mail I get from conservatives right here at HP whenever I write a political hub--the language is foul but what's worse is the intense hatred and threatening tone in that sludge.
I think the right is very thin-skinned. If you don't agree with something, read something else or disagree respectfully. If you don't like a comedian, don't watch him. For instance, I don't listen to Howard Stern because I think he's vulgar but I don't think he should shut up or apologize every time he offends someone. I just don't listen to him.
David Letterman making a crass joke about a real kid is not the same thing as John McCain making a crass joke about a real kid. Neither is admirable, but McCain is an elected representative who had designs on the presidency and is supposed to behave like an adult. Letterman is a s sarcastic, late night comedian whom everyone knows will act like a dick. It's what he does.
Sounds to me like Letterman's joke dissed Guiliani as much as -- or more than -- Sarah Palin or her daughter.
Mrs. Palin has made herself a public figure. And not just herself, but her whole family. She is the one who trotted her kids on stage during the campaign/election.
Given that her 18-year-old daughter became pregnant as a teen, ostensibly in the house with her parents there (if you believe the ex-boyfriend), one has to wonder how protective Mrs. Palin is with her 14-year-old. Perhaps the same fate could befall her? I don't think it was sloppy research, I think those joke writers meant the 14 year old!
Letterman did not make any claims about Miss Palin's actual behavior -- it was speculation about what MIGHT happen.
I find it interesting that Mrs. Palin willingly went on Saturday Night Live, which totally trashed her, but takes issue with Mr. Letterman's brand of comedy.
The bottom line is this: The best way to keep yourself from being the butt of comedians' jokes is to comport yourself with dignity. Even then, if you are in the public eye, there's a very good chance you'll wind up being joked about. But the comedians will have a lot less fodder to work with. Sorry, Sarah. You bring it on yourself.
Truly, when one considers that Letterman is daily given the opportunity to speak to an entire society, and present analogies of, and alleged insights into, the world turning around us all, it is only right that he should be held responsible for the things he says...regardless of what form of comedic jesture he intends to present them with.
The fact is that what he did, and as well what many alleged "comedians" have done, or do constantly, is verbally attack and insensitively (unnecessarily as well) demoralize an entire family with sexually disparaging remarks. In this instance it was about a 14 year girl. Does anyone truly believe that he is sorry? And as well, does anyone truly believe that his asinine remarks are any less despicable than when they...say, joke about prison rape? thus legitimizing the balkanization of this society with laughter that intends to ignore the fact that so many people's vengeance or angst toward alleged criminals is not some excuse which justifies wishing upon them such a fate. I would propose that such feelings only injure those who experience them. Vengeance in any form is never a good thing, regardless of how comedically insinuated or relegated. Furthermore, far too many people these days are being constantly attacked and even arrested and sent to prison for things they did not do.
Being in the public eye these days, or worse, part of a political campaign, appears to be an excuse for media moguls, comedic icons and news conglomerates to act like complete jack---es, as they incessently spread lies, hate, discrimination and salacious or racially charged comments like they are not hurting the people they are talking about, and balkanizing an entire society.
Furthermore, to anyone who believes that this is just harmless fun and games, or that people are acting too sensitized. Maybe they would like to explain to the 14 year old girl who goes to school and gets teased, sexually harrassed and loses all of her friends...that good ol Davey boy was just padding his paycheck at her expense...
It is commmon knowledge, to those who take the time to research such things, that many children and family members of people thrust in the eye of public scrutiny are constantly adversely affected by the things their parents, siblings or children have been accused of...whether they are true or not. Sarah Palin is actually a very intelligent, caring, auspicious legislator who has done wonderful things for Alaska, and she would have been a tremendously positive influence on the international political scene. That her daughter made a mistake is certainly no reason for this entire nation to act like it has some right to destroy her or her family for it. Let he without sin cast the...
P.S. Palin never said she could see Russia from her house...that was Tina Fey...a stupid comedian who was given an award for it! Far too many idiotic actors and actresses live a decadent dream life, that the real heros never see, as they are denigrated, berated and murdered for their causes.
No David Letterman...it will never be enough. There is no forgiveness, that is a farce. There is only realization and change!
It is true, to often the dinasour media gives credibility to these Hollywood types.The truth is that most of these Hollywood types are hypocryts, look at Barbara Streisand railing against Sport Utility Vehicles at a anti SUV rally. What did she arrive and leave in.....a huge SUV. What they mean is that we the commoners shouldn't have these things. But they are important people and need these things. Robert Redford lives on his ranch wailing about SUV vehicles. So a mag. sets up an interview and arrives at the house a few min early, Redford pulls up in a big old SUV.
The interviewer let him mouth off for a few min about suv's then asked. But Mr. Redford didn't you just arrive in a suv? Redford studdered and explained how he needs it,(he's an important man), but he's planning on using horses more ----right.
Martin Sheen marches in CA for illegal's rights, now the state is going bankrupt, who is screaming the loudest about services being cut back because of no money----guess.
The state of CA should do what the People's Republic of MA does. They have a box to check off on the state income tax if you feel you want to pay more to the state, (I'm sure it's for the children). Funny how none of the elitsists, including Kennedy and Kerry never check that box....wonder why?
Palin will never get the respect of the media or woman's groups like NOW. Why not? because she is a successful, smart independant CONSERVATIVE woman who actually has her own thoughts.
To get support from the eliteists and the NOW gang you need to sucumb to their every thought and march in lock step.
Shouldn't their ultimate concern be about woman and their rights?
Well, again in the words of Cyndi Lauper, they showed their true colors.(Check out my hub: An Open Letter to David Letterman)
The Shark---taking a bite out of liberalism
Boo-hoo, my daughter got made fun of. Welcome to national attention Ms. Palin. You wont always like what you hear being said about you or your family. But oh well. I give her 2 more minutes before she's out of everyone's minds.
You might want to take the time to research and know what you are talking about. Mrs. Palin did not initially seek debate on the issue of her daughter. She initially bemoaned the disparaging comments about flight attendants when she learned that Letterman had stated she should "get rid of the slutty flight attendant look". Furthermore, she also has not sought any apology to her or her family. She recently (I just watched it two minutes ago) said that she feels Mr. Letterman owes an apology to all young women everywhere...I most emphatically agree with her.
I find Palin to be an exceptionally well rounded individual, and certainly a talented and assertive governor. It doesn't hurt that she is extremely attractive either. I wager somebody on this page (ahem) may be having an inferiority complex...got a crush on her? I know I do...
How is she a talented governor? Is this really based on her being great, or just the "Girl Power" bandwagon a lot of ladies jumped on during the election.
Where the heck did you see THAT bandwagon? Liberal women have been nothing short of animalistically viscious to her.
No I don't have a 14 year old daughter. But if I did, and became famous, I would have to expect that whether it was in good taste or bad taste any member of my family is fair game when national attention gets put on me. Especially if I was a political person. If you're trying to be in a position where you will potentially have the power to control a country of billions. When you are gonna be setting the example of a nations morals, economy, safety, etc. you better expect indiscretions about your family will be made fun. She got on her podium about strong christian wholesome family values, and her un-wed, teenage daughter got pregnant. Now there's nothing wrong with that, but it is the exact opposite of the traditional wholesome christian family blah blah. So it's funny someone promoting this wholesome value for a country can't promote it in her own family. The jokes were directed to that daughter, but since it was the younger daughter there with S.P. it's so bad. I think people knew where Dave (as I like to call him) was going with that joke, but oh here's an opportunity to get butt-hurt over something stupid. And yeah, liberal women did go after her. As I've said before in other political forums on here, Cons. and Libs. just naturally attack one another. But a lot of non-right, non-left, sort of like center wings were supporting her strictly for the "Girl Power" thing, same as a lot were on Obama's side for the whole "1st Black President" thing. Not enough to make a difference in the election, but enough to where people will defend that person with no real rhyme or reason simply because they want to keep hope alive that 2012 might see America's 1st (insert sex/sexual orientation/race) president.
Oh yeah, I'm sure nasty jokes about your 14 year old daughter would just roll off your back, 'cause after all you're a 'political person' not a human being.
That's a load. There is no expectation of perfection within Christianity, quite the opposite, and her daughter's situation does not negate any values the family may try to promote. But the same people who wouldn't 'judge' terrorists trying to kill us all just jump at the chance to play "ah-ha!" when it suits their political prejudices.
Yeah, so "funny."
I just posted a new forum in response to this (had a LOT to say! lol). I don't expect people to respond to it, but I'd like people to read it.
As represented by Sarah Palin, hockey moms have values related to their families as hockey players have values related to their opponents.
I saw Mrs. Palin on CNN News a coupla hours ago. She has not improved in her ability to string more than 1 sentence together. Today's rant was that Obama is not "passionate" enough about our chief ally in the Middle East, Israel. She then more or less correctly pronounce Kim Jong Il in a sentence that Alaska is right in the path of N. Korea's nuclear missiles.
It's like she is trying to memories facts but when she tries to use them in an argument she just can't do it.
I had more than enough of her in 2008. Don't really know why the media is giving her any airtime. She gags me.
Sarah was defending her daughter...Dave was way off on this one..Sarah's in the spotlite....leave her children alone. BTW if this is acceptable...would you have had the same feelings if it were you're children?????? Don't get caught up in the game!
In fairness, I read somewhere that NOW actually did put out a statement or something blasting Letterman. That said, I think it took them a couple of days to put the statement out.
I had not heard that. That would be a positive sign. Do you have a link?
You read it somewhere??? How about them coming out with a major condemnation of the comment on the kid and the fact that Letterman said Palin looked like a "Slutty Flight attendant."
This is the same group tha came out on major media saying Hillary was being "gang raped" when the Republicans were criticizing her on a policy stance. Never was anything said about her looks or character.
The Shark---taking a bite out of liberalism
NOW did put out a statement condemning Letterman but they waited three days to do so and they used the opportunity to take a shot at conservatives. Still, gotta give credit where credit is due. Here's the link: http://www.now.org/issues/media/hall-of-shame/
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