Someone needs to BAN this hubber

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   Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

   This fool http://hubpages.com/profile/532054 sneaks around my hubs, and now I know why. Cos she/he/it has stolen my shit and published elsewhere for adsense cash. They didnt even give me credit. No link, no nothing.
   
   If a hubber acts in this manner, they ought to be banned, starting with her.
   
   It would be very wrong to allow them to be a part of community they steal from.
   
   Man, I am really livid right now.

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      Jerrico Usherposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Karma? lol

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         Isabella Snowposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Karma? Have I stolen someone elses articles?
         
         You ought to focus on learning to spell before you start learning new vocabulary.
         
         Id suggest you not dick with me right now.

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         embitcaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Would you knock it off already. This shit is really getting old.

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      VioletSunposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      OMG! This is scary! I am sorry to hear this!  I assume the hubber in question can be deleted from the HubPages community?

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   Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

   Wow, this is scary - even your picture looks angry - not that I blame you.

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      Jerrico Usherposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I dont blame her either, but her pictures always looked angry

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   Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

   Thank you, Embitca. Sadly, I doubt that will end the verbal incontinence.

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   Stacie Naczelnikposted 16 years ago

   Isabella, other than posting here, have you contacted the hub team about this hubber?  This sounds pretty uncool to me.

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   Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

   Yes, I just did. But really, I don't think they will do anything, since its not copied and pasted here. I tried to contact the place its posted, but their abuse email doesn't work. Of course. Whats worse, this person actually leaves comments in my hubs like a fan! The nerve!

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   Jackilynposted 16 years ago

   wow, I can't believe anyone would do that. Anyone who steals is not welcomed to hub pages.
   And the stupid thing is wouldn't she know that she would get caught? I guees not.
   I'm sorry isabella.

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   Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

   She should be banned anyway, her hubs have 30 affiliate links - all the same! - in them.

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   Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

   And damn it, shes in my fan club. I want her OUT. Surely that can be resolved at least, cant it?

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   Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

   I just ran a test on one her hubs and it is cut and pasted from else where. I have flagged them I suggest we all do the same.

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      Jerrico Usherposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      good idea mark if we all flag her hubs she'll be sticking out like a sore thumb?

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    Jackilynposted 16 years ago

    did she leave fan mail? if she did then you can delete her. if she didn't leave any fanmail I think there is a way. But hub pages has to do it. i think.

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Mark - Yeah, I flagged a few, too.
    
    Jackilyn - No, and that's part of why just being able to deny isnt enough, cos they can rejoin. I shouldnt have to have her in my fanclub if I dont wont to, that is just insulting!

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       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Well, look at it this way - She really likes you.

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          Jackilynposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          lol yea, look at the bright side. lol

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    Jackilynposted 16 years ago

    I flagged some hubs to! she once left a comment and it said SPAM ! so i deleted it..

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    Zsuzsy Beeposted 16 years ago

    How do we flag ?Zs

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       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Button at the bottom beside the up and down thumbs.

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Well, I surely hope I dont get a google penalty for this. That hub is first in google, and hers is not far behind!!!!!!!

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       embitcaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       More backlinks will help keep yours in the top position. I just gave you some linklove from a domain of mine which Google is pretty in love with so that should help

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          Isabella Snowposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Awwww! Thank you!

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    stubbsposted 16 years ago

    This is ridiculous! how could she so openly copy content.
    
    id be just as angry isabella. now flagging.
    
    
    
    
    (ps congrats on 500 forum posts :-) )

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    Zsuzsy Beeposted 16 years ago

    Thanks Mark! In danger of sounding really stupid...Do we flag all of her hubs? Are they all stolen? I just can't stand theft of any sort. Zsuzsy

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Thanks Stubbs....
    
    And as you can see from this Google search, shes in 3rd, with my very own Top 5 Sexiest Englishmen hub!!!
    
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& … gle+Search
    
    But dont click on her link, as it will just give her views she doesnt deserve.

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    Abhinayaposted 16 years ago

    The banning of the fan hubber has already been discussed but there seems to be no such thing.I have another person here and he  has copied my article to a different site.All I could do was warn him.
    
    The hubber you are referring to,Isabella,is in my fan club too.I am scared now.

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       Jerrico Usherposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       be afraid. be very afraid buhahahaha (just trying to spready some joyous vibes)

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Damn it, Ive found another one, and I suspect its the same person, since it was posted at the same time.
    
    Does anyone know for sure what googles take is on this stuff.
    
    I will really be angry if a copied article passes me in google rank.

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    Mishaposted 16 years ago

    Why don't you just try to cool down, ladies?
    
    Yeah, this is outright theft, and such thing happen every second on the internet. I know it hurts, but being pissed off never helped anything. File a formal complaint, contact the hoster, etc. - you know better than me what to do...
    
    And we will give you moral support, and act as witnesses, if needed

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Because its a HUBBER stealing HUBS.
    
    You'll notice I didnt get worked about the other one - cos that wasnt a hubber - that I know of, anyway. This is insulting.
    
    And they arent hosted on blogs, they're hosted on something like hubpages, and those places have defunct email addresses for complaints. I already tried.

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Did you try any of the phones or emails from here:
       

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          Isabella Snowposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Thats very Jerrico of you, Misha...... (!!)
          
          No, I didnt, you cant just contact a webhosting company about this kind of thing, they will tell you to contact the website administrator. I know this from experience, and I am not going to spend 300 bucks calling them to be given that answer!

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             Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             LOL at least it is readable
             
             I did not do this myself (albeit I too have some content stolen from me), but I read on several forums that you can contact hosting company and it will terminate abuser's account if theft is proven. I think HP staff or guys who have an experience can chime in with more qualified answer on this.

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             Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Thats very Jerrico of you, Misha...... (!!)
             
             No, I didnt, you cant just contact a webhosting company about this kind of thing, they will tell you to contact the website administrator. I know this from experience, and I am not going to spend 300 bucks calling them to be given that answer!
             
             Remove the very last "/quote" tag from this post, please, pleeeeease

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    I agree that she should be banned, but I dont think that a banning would stop her stealing your work Isabella, I wonder if another solution including the ban of course would be for hubpages to insert code that stopped people from being able to copy and paste hubs.
    these guys who do it are lazy, if they had to type our hubs word for word instead of copy/paste, i am sure it would put an end to thieving.........jimmy

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       Whitney05posted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe the team could prevent the 'copy' command on the computer... There is still a way around it, print screening, but it takes more work. If the person really wanted to spend the time print screening, retyping, etc. Then they really have a problem...
       
       I've been to several sites that prevent you from highlighting and copying... This really hinders school research and such when trying to copy to a word document to print. But, it protects the writer of the material.

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Oooh.. is that possible? Code to prevent copying??
    
    That would be lovely!

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       As been discussed several times already, it is not possible. You can make it harder, but you can't prevent it

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          Jerrico Usherposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          put a curse on the code, if anyone steals it they will perish in traffic.. put a subliminal algorythm in your writing using font sizes or spaces strategically placed, as one reads the article the offset of the specific words and spaces (unapparent to the person reading it) but use the spaces tocreate a word linkig affirmation that subliminally tells the reader if they steal this code their hair will fall out could work... ya think?
          
          who steals anythign without reading it?

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             Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             bots

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                Jerrico Usherposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                didnt think of that.

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    C.M. Vanderlindenposted 16 years ago

    I don't blame you for being mad. I've had content stolen several times, and I get pissed off every time it happens.
    
    Regarding Google, I'm pretty sure I remember reading that if there is duplicate content, they don't penalize the site/blog that posted it first. In other words, the site it is copied on will get the penalty, not you. Does this sound familiar to anyone else, or am I remembering it wrong?
    
    --Colleen

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, but what google says, and what google does are not the same usually

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          Isabella Snowposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Then why did you tell me in the other thread that I didnt have to worry for the reasons she just said?

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             Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             I told you it depends on how old the page is and how much link love it has. Embitca is absolutely correct, more link love will keep you afloat, and I'll see what I can do here, too

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          C.M. Vanderlindenposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          You're right, Misha. I thought the same thing right after I clicked "Submit."

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    I know that there is code to stop you from copying pictures, i am sure that the same can be done for text.....jimmy

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       Jackilynposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       yes, there are codes to stop copied content. yea, this would probably work.

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    just looked at her pages, i think she is copying from all of the hot hubs, not just isabella's. i have seen 3 of my hubs there already.....jimmy

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    Jackilynposted 16 years ago

    I just wrote about some kind of security system to hub pages under hub improvement that way no one  can steal content. Hopefully this will work.

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    Isabella do what i just did, i left a comment with a link to my page on one of the pages she stole from me. configure a wireless desktop, lol she claims that she is studying for a computing degree in her comments.....jimmy

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    Jackilynposted 16 years ago

    can you leave the link?

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    it worked for me.....jimmy

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    embitcaposted 16 years ago

    This is her profile: yousaytoo.com/user/532054/profile
    
    Everyone might want to pop on over and check all of her pages as I'm guessing she's been on a copying frenzy.

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       Jerrico Usherposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       maybe she thought the "too" in the domain name meant you can copy what others write? the frikken domain name is literally YOU say TOO.com that states also hehe

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       darksideposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Here are two options,
       
       Contact the admin at yousaytoo a line and point out this thread as well as a list of her yousaytoo articles and your corresponding hubs, and that you will be contacting Adsense to report the violation. Which in turn would cause Adsense to investigate their site. And that in the very least you want all of your stolen content removed from the site. And that they should consider banning the user.
       
       Option 2 is you contact the Google Adsense Team.
       
       https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/request.py?
       
       * Other
           * Report a policy violation
       
       Chances are even if she is banned from yousaytoo.com that it will continue to happen, so hit her where it's going to hurt the longest, right in the Adsense Publisher ID.
       
       If Google ban her they will do everything they can to make sure she never gets another Adsense account. Ever. Again.

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          Isabella Snowposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Ive done all of this, but the other two sites werent so easy to contact and I dont think anyone will receive the emails. I contacted the web hosts and have to wait on them - but one seems to be good about ignoring and the other is in India, so I think it will be up to adsense and google.
          
          Which I have already contacted as well.

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    Mishaposted 16 years ago

    Isa, edit your reply please and clean up the "quote" codes. It caused the font to shrink

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       Isabella Snowposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       No, they are correct, its a hubpages thing, not me.

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    But the webhosting company doesnt have the users account, they are just the host for the bigger picture. That site is like hubpages, or blogger or something, its not her personal site.

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Most of the sites (even big ones) are hosted somewhere. Very few can afford their own datacenter... And based on whois data, I think this one is hosted, too

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          Isabella Snowposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          I think youre missing my point - the web hoster would be the host for the severs, domain, whatever and wouldnt have individual user accounts - or care about them. Their client would be something lke hubpages, where a company buys hosting, and then maintains themselves.

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             Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Yep, exactly. And since the violation of law happens with the use of their technology, they can be hold accountable, too. That's why they often just shut down accounts (read - the whole site) that violates copyright - at least this is what I read... However, if hosting company is not US company - you are at a loss. But you still can report it to Google, and they presumably start their own investigation, dropping site in question from the index for ten days - again, I don't have personal experience, I just read this...

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    Jackilynposted 16 years ago

    why has everything gotten smaller the page numbers everything! we're shrinking!

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Sorry, I hadnt checked that one cos it was normal sized.. how odd..

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       It was the last normal sized

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    Stacie Naczelnikposted 16 years ago

    First off, lady or gentleman, anyone has the right to get upset about something being stolen.  So, I totally understand Isabella's outrage.
    
    Second, this is something we will constantly have to deal with, so we will have to remain vigilant about our work and whether it is copied or not.  I don't think this hubber should be allowed to remain a member of hubpages, but there must also be other methods to discredit this person elsewhere.

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Believe me, I would be happy to call the webhosting company if I knew they'd take it down! I dunno what else to do. Clearly the site shes posting it on is dodgy, or their email addresses would work!

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    Stacie Naczelnikposted 16 years ago

    Not that I want to give this person clicks, but I just visited the site.  "She" has so much copied content that it is ridiculous.

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Well if you or anyone else sees their stuff copied, you can report her directly to Adsense.
    
    If she gets banned, that would be the end of that.

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    I am having lots of fun leaving comments about stealing from hubpages.....jimmy

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       Stacie Naczelnikposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Jimmy, I followed your lead and did the same.

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    i am still doing it lol every one of those stories are from hubpages.....jimmy

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    pauldeedsposted 16 years ago

    If you're not able to get a reasonable response from the sites themselves, I would suggest documenting your efforts and taking your case to the hosting company as Misha suggested, and/or to adsense (since the site is monetized with adsense).  There are a lot of resources out there that explain the steps you should follow when someone steals your content.  Here is one:
    
    http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/07/deal … -when.html
    
    Both sites claim to prohibit violations of copyright, but I didn't see anything about a DMCA policy on either of the sites.   A DMCA takedown procedure is the route that a reputable site will offer to you for cases like this.
    
    I attempted to match up the adsense id from the copied page against all the registered ids at HubPages (since both of those sites appear to have revenue sharing arrangments).   There was no match.  However, given the matching username and photo it appears likely that the responsible party is the user that you identified.
    
    
    http://www.yousaytoo.com/user/532054/5296
    adsense id: Pub-0819612031232202
    
    http://www.yousaytoo.com/about/terms
    
    
    http://www.myistop.com/blogs/yasirm79/t … englishmen
    adsense id: pub-2557980896725652
    
    http://www.myistop.com/tos
    

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    I have reported her using the contact us page, will let you know if i ever get a response.....jimmy

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Paul! Thats a 3rd!!! Bizatch!
    
    I'm just going straight to google at this point. Id hoped I wouldnt have to, but this is ridiculous.

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Just calm down before you do this, and be nice and logical Good Luck!

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       C.M. Vanderlindenposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Good for you! She's obviously only in it for the money, so that's where it will hurt her most. Good luck!

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       pauldeedsposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I would suggest giving the site a day or two to respond, before you start in with google.  It can take time to investigate, and not every site has 24 hour dedicated support people.  We're pretty good at responding at HubPages, but we certainly don't respond to every single email that comes into our box within 4 hours (or even 24 hours).
       
       Also, I'd suggest doing a bit of research first so that you can present your case concisely but with all the necessary facts.  A well researched and crafted email is more likely to get a quick and positive response.

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          Isabella Snowposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Their email address do not work, and mail is returned undeliverable.
          
          I have screen shots of the search results showing all the sites, with mine 1st, and the only one having a cache.
          
          I have screenshots of the cache.
          
          I have screenshots of the copied articles, which say they are published Jan 8.
          
          Mine is not in the archives.org place yet.
          
          What else do I need?

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    C.M. Vanderlindenposted 16 years ago

    This  is a little off the topic, but I HAD to go over and look at this chick's stuff. Besides all of the stolen content, the site looks like absolute shit. Ugly layouts, humongous ads in the middle of the stolen content, photos just thrown in any way they would (or wouldn't, in most cases) fit. It just made me even more appreciative of how attractive (visually and tools-wise) Hubpages is.

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    Peter M. Lopezposted 16 years ago

    Isabella, Paul's right.  You have to file a DMCA complaint with the publisher or hosting company, including the pages or links to the pages where the copied material is posted.  Most reputable hosting companies are quick to respond to DMCA claims for liability purposes.  If they determine that a DMCA violation has occurred, the site will be shut down immediately.
    
    I've had occasion to do this for a client and the hosting company's attorney was quick to reply and have the offending site shut down.  I'm not sure there is much that Google can do about the site itself, other than cut off $, but I suspect Google will tell you the same thing about filing a DMCA complaint with the hosting company.

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       Isabella Snowposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       They would not shut an entire website down for one idiot - this is not a personal wesbite.
       
       And as Ive already said, their email addresses for complaints are bogus and get returned.

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          Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Isa, you keep missing the point - they will!
          
          Hoster will shut down site account, if site violates copyright, no matter if site owner or site user does it. The point is - if site owner did not take action against user despite of your reasonable attempt to persuade him/her, (s)he is in violation, too, and now his/her account gets shut down.
          
          This is because next in line for lawsuite is hoster itself

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    thooghunposted 16 years ago

    This is off the charts. Hand me an axe and tell me where I need to go. Christ, shes my fan too.

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    Isabella Snowposted 16 years ago

    Yeah, thats right - Paul, I dont want her in my fan club, how can I remove her?

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    Iðunnposted 16 years ago

    I have a girl online who has been copying and reprinting my entire printed life as hers in mulitple aliases on multiple sites, along with plagarizing my posted political opinons off my old message board, borrowing my personal traits as best she can 'squeeze' herself into them and telling everyone else she's me and I'm her.  Since 2004.  In mulitple names on dozens of sites.
    
    Every line I ever uttered in a shout box is in a post on one of her multiple boards and they have threads there that 5 minutes after I post that I eat a Dove cookie, there is a thread there "Spab ate a Cookie".  Or talking about my pet scorpion.
    
    I shit you not.
    
    I'm sorry for you Isabella, but at least she's only stealing your work, rather than stealing your identity.
    
    She changes off and also runs mulitple alts at the same time.  Currently she likes to pretend to be a Catholic poet.   
    
    One of her little buddies is on my old message board plagarizing pics and entire blogs of "apneatic" from myspace.
    
    I hope you can do something about it, Isabella.  I never could.

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    Veronicaposted 16 years ago

    Iðunn, damn I am so sorry. That is horrific, and I totally understand.
    
    Isabella, I just wanted to post here to give you my support. I had a plagiarist stealing from my blog, and she's now stealing from a good friend who's blog is linked to mine. It's invading, and makes you feel helpless, angry, vulnerable, enraged...  it affects your sense of freedom and ability to write... it's so much more important than some people seem to realize.
    
    I'm speaking to a lawyer now about my situation. If I learn of anything at all that would be helpful to your situation, I'll post it right away.
    I'm sorry I don't have anything to offer in the way of help. I'm glad you have so much support here.
    
    I just wanted to let you know I'm feelin ya, and I'm with ya.

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       Iðunnposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Veronica, thank you. 
       
       And you said to Isabella " It's invading, and makes you feel helpless, angry, vulnerable, enraged...  it affects your sense of freedom and ability to write... it's so much more important than some people seem to realize."
       
       That's quite right and it seems like no one understands.  I started having panic attacks just looking at my computer.  For four years, everywhere I go, there she is.  I make a name at a Catholic message board... she's there in 10 days.  When I first came here 15 months ago, it only took her 5 days to make a alt name with enough detail to make sure I'd know it was her.  She likes for me to know.  She spends hours googling me daily to find me anywhere I went day after day, month after month, year after year.
       
       I finally came back here because I can control comments and weed out hinky people, so I don't have to interact with her.  She loves me so much she wants to be me.  She presents to others that I follow her, and the stupid thing is that I get no support, because she mimics every single thing I say, so if I'm being stalked so is she suddenly!  And by me!  Then she has two buddies and herself in 5 alts each tell people it's a feud.  Now do you guys understand why I pulled my Hubs for months?
       
       Despite the fact that I removed myself from the posting world for months at a time - I took 11 months off my home board - the fact that post dates always show her arriving after me, like at my message board 2 YEARS after I was there as if I went two years early through ESP to harass her rather than the obvious - she stalked me to the internet, she cons people into thinking it's the other way around
       
       And people let me tell you.  Be careful.  Don't tell total strangers personal details you don't want public.  She will tell you anything in some alias to acquire a temporary ally to send after her "enemies" usually by offering to help you pack up on one of yours - she loves a good mobbing, even while she might have other aliases attacking you, but she doesn't do friendship, loyalty or anything else human.  She is a sociopath.  You will get the karma from that.  She keeps all her written contact in files for using on them too later down the line.  I've watched her plow through numerous allies ripping them to pieces two months down the line.
       
       If people's stuff doesn't match up.  Cute petite little asian girls was an old fav of hers who don't speak Chinese but speak English pidgin-style anyway.  Being a self-hating anorexic stripper with two different sized feet. (the foot thing was caught contradicting herself in posts) was and remains a fav.  Being a bible-thumper and/or Catholic (she's Jewish) and sometimes a poet, sometimes not, that's some of hers too.  God knows. She's pyschotic and harassing me and others on the internet is her only pleasure apparently.  She lives to get me to interact with her alts. 
       
       I'm doing better at seeing it as an annoyance rather than a threat, but it's not easy.  It would help if you run across her if you think to fact check before you dive into her one-sided war on her side.  I have all of this in print, files and files and files from years and years and years.

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