Atomswifey - I owe you an apology, and rather than do the Christian thing and leave it there, I am actually going to apologize.
Atomswifey I am really, really sorry I called you a fucking fruitcake.
Despite the fact that you were behaving in a manner guaranteed to get people to call you a fucking fruitcake, and several other people were provoked into calling you the same. In fact I would go so far as to say you were positively begging to be called a fucking fruitcake.
Nonetheless, I apologize unreservedly. Calling you a fucking fruitcake is a personal attack. Personal attacks are against the hubpagesTOS.
Therefore it was wrong of me to call you a fucking fruitcake and I am sorry very fucking sorry. I will never call you a fucking fruitcake again.
As is right and proper for some one who breaks the rules, I was punished appropriately and with loving aforethought.
Yea - verily was I banned from the hubpages forums for a span of three days. Three days was the ban that I was given. And these are human days 24 hours in each one - not some magical day that only takes 12 milliseconds. Real, human days with real, human hours in them and I suffered torment through every one of them as I deserved.
A more loving and appropriate punishment would be hard to imagine. As you would probably agree, being a non believer my life is worthless and without meaning, so to have the only thing that gave my life any meaning taken away from me like that, well........
I am sure you can imagine the pain that caused.
Not that I didn't deserve it, mind you - I absolutely asked for it by breaking the hubpages' commandments like that. Willfully and with malice, I might add.
At first I was a little upset that I was banned from the forum for three days for calling you a fucking fruitcake.
With nothing to do and no one to talk to, I began to feel a little sorry for myself, and wonder if my life indeed had no meaning and was worthless, like all the you christians keep telling me.
Was it really all my fault for telling them that their beliefs were irrational and it did not make any sense to me that killing people and burning them in hell were things a loving god would do? Was this an insult of some kind as they keep telling me? Am I really worthless for not believing? Are they showing me so much love that I just cannot cope with it and am overwhelmed by the abundance of loving feelings and I am just projecting my own hatred on to them?
After a while, I began to face what we atheists are most frightened of.
That moment when we are forced to look inside, face reality and ask ourselves the BIG questions.
We atheists call this, "The Long Dark Tea Time of The Soul,"and it is one of the most dangerous moments in a middle-aged atheists career.
As we begin to face our own mortality, this is the time when some waver and give in to the urge to say,"Yes, Yes! I believe in the invisible super being! Take me Jesus! I want to live forever!"
I began to ask myself these questions.....
"Was it really my fault?"
"Should I be more open-minded when they tell me they have a god speaking into their head and I am going to burn in hell for all eternity?"
"Is that really love they are displaying when they stand and fight and tell me I am worthless?"
"Are they really doing it because they love me and want me to come to the party with Jesus and it just appears as though they are being condescending assholes?"
During these long, dark, terrible moments of confusion and introspection, I realized one thought was pre-eminent in my mind and something began to wander across my brain.
A statement. Just a few words. Three in fact. Over and over and over again, like a worm running round my head, digging deeper, and deeper and deeper.
I hate atomswifey.
I hate atomswifey.
I hate atomswifey.
I hate atomswifey.
The same thing over and over and over - I couldn't stop it.
Then some powerful force forced to knees and I began to ask myself yet another question, and look at my feelings and ask myself why I hated atomswifey.
Why do I hate this person so much?
I immediately discarded the idea that it is because she displays exactly the same passive aggressive behavior my mother displays after being bought up in a strict religious household by a father who used to thrash a love for Jesus into her on a regular basis.
That would be all too easy an answer. Far too pat, too obvious and no work on my part.
And then I began to wonder.....
Was it? I mean, could it be that she was saying something I just didn't want to hear?
Could she be right? There is a god and I just want to disobey Him. Deny Him even?
I gave this serious consideration.....
For 12 milliseconds.
And after a while, I began to feel a certain peace come over me. I was still sweating - fighting against the TRUTH. Kneeling, fighting, forcing myself to look.
And then I came to a realization. I saw the light, as it were.
Slowly, ever slowly, I began to feel the peace permeate.
I began to relax. The hatred ebbed and slowly evaporated. I began to realize....
I do not hate atomswifey.
I love atomswifey in a way that can only be described as "non-sexual"
We are both human beings.
Special.
I do not hate you atomswifey. I love you and recognize we are one and the same you and I.
Well close anyway, at least the same genus - if you believe in that sort of thing.
It is not your fault; it is mine for not seeing the truth. I have seen the light. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for showing me the way to the truth and allowing me to let go the hatred.
You cannot help it, you just do not understand.
It is not your fault you are this inconsiderate to others - this is what you have been taught to do. Not your fault at all.
But - I hate your ridiculous beliefs and your insistence on sticking them down my throat by quoting great reams of a book you clearly do not understand.
So - I have decided to forgive you and henceforth, will spread a new message amongst atheists and unbelievers everywhere.
Do not hate the believers. They cannot help it if they are not intelligent enough to understand. They were probably taught not to ask questions from birth.
Love the believers!
Hate the irrational, nonsensical, sheep-like beliefs instead! Rejoice in the love!!!
Thank you.
You go girl!
And may your god go with you.
Please........
I've been telling you MK, you love to hate things. I don't think I've ever seen you happier.
I took the liberty to edit your language, but don't be too put out about it. I've shown you considerable more respect than you showed the lady.
I took the time to read your entire monologue. It was the biggest waste of time of my day. It's hard to know what was genuine and what was not in this sorry excuse for an apology (which you still owe the lady). However, if those things happened in your family that you say happened, then I am truly sorry that they did. That's not a statement of pity, just sadness.
To the one with so much anger, guilt and misunderstanding...I would have to say that your juvenile behavior.
I am a christian and as it reads in the bible; no one should pass judgement on a person...but you can pass judgement on the actions and your supposed apologize should have been left unsaid.
Becoming the "bigger" person should be what you are aiming for not to verbally abuse another.
Believe me there is a God; and he holds us all accountable for our choices and actions.
She probably means well; just doesn't know how to deliver the word. The best way to find him yourself is to read and apply faith in your life. He will always be there for you; your decision to let him in is all up to you.
It's okay. Remember what Mark said. "It is not their fault." They were taught this way.
No anger on my part; just feel sorry for those that think that is an apologize.
I was taught that an apology is sincere and does not include fowl language...maybe you need to check your self!
You should check yourself for demons of course.
You may be suffering from the same flaws as the one who wrote the apology and thus you can identify with it.
If I were to apologize to you but during it I still proceeded to put you down and call you names than is it an apology?
I don't i consider it to be sad! Just because this girl is "over" enthusiastic about her belief and has not learned how to deliver those beliefs I don't think it is necessary to destroy her verbally.
That would depend on your definition of "overenthusiastic" wouldn't it? I consider myself a believer and I found her to be very rude, condescending and outright hateful to some people. I'm not surprised she got this "backhanded" apology. If you treat people like refuse, you'll get it right back from them.
well no one knows what was in his head so no one can really comment on the sincerity or insincerity of it. it might look insincere but it's not for me to say. or you. atomswifey seems happy with it so i guess that's all that really matters, right?
I see they are just as bad as one another and Mark on occassion has been just as rude and /or disparaging(over a longer period is all) as Atomswife.
The fact the one says she is a Christian and the other an Atheist makes no difference , rude is rude IMO.
One thing and this is just my opinion Atomswifey only had one agenda , where as Mark socialised with many , on different levels. I respected him for that.
You mean if Mark would have made an apology that was not consistent with his self then it would be acceptable to you?
In other words, you prefer an insincere apology cloaked in sugar then a sincere one from himself?
I just wanna know if you're wearing your Angelic Loin Cloth? I tried to peek under your wings, but couldn't get a clear view!
Oh dear , this is just as bad as Atomswife in
long winded I must say, and to think one of my posts were clipped for brevity ,hmmm...oh life has gone to the dogs, woof woof..
On second thoughts you had 3 days worth all stored up there ,understandable I guess ,lol.
Sit tight , youre fans will rush and lift your name on high
again soon.
Welcome back ,theres room for all kinds, in the Hub cafe
Yes - the word you are looking for is "irony."
Feel free to look it up..........
Uh-Oh, Mark Knowles. Looks to me like they made some new rules up after some gentle, uh, nudging...er, something... I don't know, . Wasn't exactly what I thought it might be, however. lol Should have expected that, though...
I'd say it's the same problem with the religionists vs. the spirit of anything, .
Welcome back from jail...and I am SURE you have repented your sins.
What I want to know is
what is
with all of the
dramatic
spaces between
paragraphs?
That is what aw does at the end
of every post.
You didn't
notice?
I am glad to have you back it was odd not having you here you still can light the fire and I can roast marshallows! ((Big Hugs)) WELCOME BACK we were waiting!!
This sure was one of the longest reads i ever read in the forum ever. Welcome back and love to have you back Mark.
The thing I love about Mark is I never know what he is getting at.
I wonder if he's gonna get nailed again for the way he phrased his "apology".
I gotta say one thing for it--it was weirdly sincere.
Hmmmmmm, I missed that part. The "sincere" thing. Parody might apply.
Not that it matters to me. Just observing.
I'll forego the precedent about all the spaces and just say I'm glad you're back, Mark.
No parody. You make some great points. Delivery will always be controversial with you, but I think that's the part of the charm.
Indeed Mark has given sincerity a new dimension.Just 72 hours of introspection in cyber isolation has made him see the light that has transformed him from darkness to light and from hatred to love (and pity if I may add)!!!
Wonder if this was the kind of public apology that Atomswifey was looking forward too?
THE LIP
I think you were very funny and ironic. Don't know you, but welcome back!!
I don't follow all this stuff but come on, that's just stupid.
I just had a warm tingly feeling run up my leg, oh wait, that was a fly. Welcome back!
Sort of a backhanded apology there Mark but I accept. And let me say that I too apologize to you if my delivery of Gods Word and my thoughts and beliefs were too much for you to understand as well.
I will remember who it is I am speaking to next time and adjust the delivery accordingly.
I love you too Mark.
I really mean that. And I apologize if someone here or in life hurt you and your mom in the way you described both in the physical and mental trying to make you feel worthless. really I sincerely mean this.
To my God as well as myself, you are not worthless Mark. You are a precious human being and one deserving of love and kindness.
Have peace and know not all believers not all Christians are fruitcakes who think you are worthless, and neither are their beliefs however and whenever they are presented though they may differ from your own.
One question though, when have I done that? (the long space thingy) lol I pulled up some of my postings and have yet to find where I did that. But if I did and you find one let me know and I'll oops it. lol
Bibowen said : I've been telling you MK, you love to hate things. I don't think I've ever seen you happier.
I took the liberty to edit your language, but don't be too put out about it. I've shown you considerable more respect than you showed the lady.
I took the time to read your entire monologue. It was the biggest waste of time of my day. It's hard to know what was genuine and what was not in this sorry excuse for an apology (which you still owe the lady). However, if those things happened in your family that you say happened, then I am truly sorry that they did. That's not a statement of pity, just sadness.
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Thank you so much for that, it's really nice to meet a true gentleman such as you.
Hello Mark. I'm glad you're back and on point, as ever. And I'm also glad you came back with an apology rightly tucked against your bosom.
I'm sure the actual apology part will go over the heads of many. As well as propel you straight back to the naughty step.
But I'm sure atomswifey will 'get it' - she seems to have a sense of humour
Sense of humour not lacking froggy and thank you for saying so.
backhanded or not it was a step forward whether or not towards the hubpages naughty stool is another matter altogether. But I doubt it.
I digress, it is a step forward and I look forward to a more mature dialogue between Mark and I. Especially now since he seems to "love" me soooo much.
Oh my goodness Mark!! I feel just like Sally Field standing in front of the crowd accepting her award..."You like me! You really , really like me!"
I humblely bow and accept.
lol
Welcome back, Mark!
Looks like Maddie is going to have to put a revolving door on her sin-bin
That cheered me up on a Sunday night. Respect to AW for taking it in good humour, too
SOOOO glad you're back, Mark. Thank goodness Gulliver wasn't there to see you on the naughty step!
I am a believer of God.
And I recognize that when believers (or even non believers) keep on saying "I am right and you are wrong" or insist that things have to be seen "my way" then conflicts arise. Mark, you are right. Where is this love that we proclaim to be experiencing from a God whom we profess who loves us unconditionally when we are behaving differently?
And you are right too, we sometimes don't know any better because that was how we were loved and thus, we show this "love" in different ways.
Happy and peaceful is the person who has stopped believing in a God who sends people to hell. (And believers can 'kill' me and condemn me for saying this-the irony again) In my own personal journey, the fear left when I stopped seeing God as a Punisher.
And then woh, an amazing thing happened again -- it didn't make me into a 'monster' just because I no longer had fear of the Lord. But rather I felt so loved by God that I wanted to be the best person I can be. Dayzeebee and I have come to believe that the way we live our lives will show who God is to those people around us. So we try to be the best reflection of his love. And sometimes we stumble and fall and yet we just stand up and try again.
Mark, thank you for being a friend. I've always respected you and accepted you for being you and glad in this lifetime have met you. {((hugs))}
Atomswifey...hugs to you too!
LOL Welcome back Mark.
Now you kids need to give each other a big hug and start loving each other in every possible (non sexual - god forbid!) way
Hahahahahah
Glad to see Angel Misha's avatar is back.
He-he. Glad you liked it Michelle.
And yeah, after being a pirate for a day I thought it might be beneficial to be an angel, thanks for Dayzeebee for such an opportunity
Misha, you can't fool us with that angelic look, we know you better.
Misha you are really something else in that picture and God forbid that picture being reality as well! LOL
yes God help us all if Misha is indicitive of what a heavenly being is! LOL
You know I am just messing with you Misha, I love you too
actually, the Holy Bible says that we were all created in "God's own image".
maybe God (and the angels) doesn't even look human. maybe God looks like a fish, or a rock. i mean no one really knows...
LOL ~ This was such a breath of fresh air to read...Ahhhhhhhh...
looks like it may be safe to come out to the forums?
I am so happy to see a coming together in such a way. Of course Mark is famous here, as well now atomswifey! lol
Feels good to to see a major discord settled! Welcome back.
Anyone else find it ironic that creationists always look really un-evolved?
Welcome back Mark. I really loved your fruitcake apology. Arr...
Did anyone see how gorgeous Froggsdropping is , quick before she changes back
Definately not green ,although she may feel like in the morning after the black russians hehe...
Wow - if that is really her, she is drop dead gorgeous. The male hubbers will be climbing over each other to fan her She looks a bit young to be a mother of grown boys
She's a bonny one, alright.
Brains, a great sense of humour and a pretty smile - no complaints here
Glad you're back Mark and in obviously great form. You made my evening...I don't think I laughed that much in quite a while. I'm sure that that was the best apology ever, sooooooooooooo sincere and everything.
You're the champ.
God is dead. He died in a car smash. He was high on 'Holy Spirit' at the time. He left behind his sons Jesus and Juan and a string of ex-wives.
His last wife, Lafreesha, has already applied for custody of his two children and is set to receive a large inheritants if successful. Her application is unlikely to succeed due to her heroin addiction and sordid rumors that she met God while working as an escort.
Mark, your apology just oozes with sincerity. I am so glad you have seen your shortcomings and that the apology to Atomswife was well deserved.
You will forgive yourself some day for the evil you have done to this loving Christian.
Bless you!
Oh and for some others.... (this is satire)
I thought his sincerity came from the role he played in the "I hate atomswifey" all the while, atomswifey was saying, "I hate Mark Knowles".
Mark then took a few milliseconds and said, "I shall be a better man for this." And learned that the only way to shut up a hard core christian is to not be like them.
Which indeed, Mark becomes a shining star for noting the discrepancy and issuing a Mark Knowles apology which doesn't happen very often.
And since I have been swallowing my own bit of "being the bigger person". I look up to this, as I have looked up to Mark since I have been on hp... so in my personal life I have just taken the "mean" things that some say in the name of their religion with a grain of salt and have been the bigger person for yes... humbling myself enough to never stoop to their level and using more love (Sandy love) to turn a negative situation into a positive one... as much as it is accepted at least.
I'm just so darned misty-eyed! *dabbing with tissue* Can you feel the love? I can feel the love! I need ice cream - preferably chocolate or chocolate mixed with chocolate.
Such PDA's deserve ice cream rewards!
Oh, and FrogDropping, my dearest friend and daughter!!!! *HUGS*!!!!!
Welcome back Mark I'm glad to see you back in action and that apology was very sweet of you. *hugs* You are a good man.
and atomswifey I too apologize for my smart remarks to you as well. I hope you can accept my apology and that we can start over.
Geez Mark.
I warned you about auctioning off your hubpages identity on EBay.
After that very out of character apology, you'll have people thinking you're nice - and they'll be dropping off their puppies, kittens, and children for you to look after.
Well since you just joined Margie how do you NOT now that that was an apology? You don't know Mark or his style so yes that was an apology for him. He is a great guy and he was sweet to apologize. He was apologizing and atomswifey accepted so it is an apology
@ Misha - Dude, your new avatar, hahaha, I think I just pissed my pants.
@ This thread - To be honest I feel a little sorry for Atomswifey, I think she mistook this for a genuine apology, which it clearly wasn't, and whilst she's not willing to back down on her faith (which is commendable really) she seems to have accepted that perhaps her approach was far too heavy handed for most here, and has decided to tone it down.
p.s. I'm assuming that MK's disappearance means that he is once again enjoying some time out in the sin bin (but I bet he's got a smile on his face).
lol, change of underwear required but otherwise all good, yourself?
He looks so innocent, which we all know he isn't.
Did you change your pants already MrV? You might want to hold for a mo:
This comes from here: http://hubpages.com/hub/Gratitude-Letter-For-You
Enjoy
hahahahahahahahaahahahaha what a cool pic, I can so imagine you both sat in your cloud casting down lightning bolts at us mere mortals. God damn it now I gotta go change my pants again.
And what a cool hub as well, although he forgot to say thank you for all the semi-naked Indian lady hubs that brighten our days, how rude.
Agreed....was Mark being over the top, maybe, but that's how he is...and sometimes I get offended but then again the man has given me advice to improve my traffic countless times. Lighten up people this gets way too serious in here far too often
Cole, can you have some patience babie? Please leave my balls for a mo, I need to talk to my wifie and I can't really concentrate while you are doing it. I'll be right back with you.
MISHA...you're in rare form today...very funny...I especially love the previous picture of the two of you...OMG...so funny!
Oh MISHA! lmao Where are you? colebabie said something you should read hehehe
Jerry Springer wants to know what day you two could be on his show?
From reading the first sentence of MK's introspection I believe I understand the situation.
I have a quick question, though. Was a ban imposed for profane language or because malevolent words were directed towards someone else?
Jib, if you were asking me, I asked the same question on the thread where they announced new rules. Went unnoticed.
In this case it was fucking fruitcake, I know I talked to Mark.
LMAO that is true...those words did say PG-13 hahhaa now it moved to R hahah
lol it's kinda nice to always find you guys in the forums chatting it up about something
Oh, don't leave, pleaaaaaaaase. You are the most patient person on the planet, i was totally wrong!
Haha. Well I must go to sleep now. Class in the morning May I have a pillow please?
Misha, I have to say this again, this has to be the best picture of you so far. You look cute, scholarly, thoughtful, patient and so educated. I just love the hair too.
Tugging your pants down? Misha do you know how funny that sounds while looking at your avatar?
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