Thousands of Articles Copied...Help.

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   KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

   But what Shinu discovered that I didn't realize is that we have hubbers PROMOTING docstoc.  I have flagged their hubs with notes to HP to ban the hubs and the hubbers associated with promoting that site.

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      Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't know this either I'll be doing the same as you KCC

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   Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago

   It was hurtung my fingers and still is to go through all of my hubs but I think it is important to do so...I hope I'm not getting arthritis in my hands. But yes I need to look for all of them and then do what KCC says to do and complain to DMCA though maybe not since as ppl are saying it'sn ot worth it really since it will happen again and again

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   thranaxposted 15 years ago

   DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY:
   
   DocStoc has a user who made multiple accounts who copyrighted Hubers. In total there are 18 accounts there. The accounts total about 390,000 articles that got 250,000 pageviews that are increasing about 10-1000 pageviews an hour. Thats 180-18,000 views an hour in total they receive. You can find your Hubs by Google searching 2-3 lines randomly from them of original content in " ". Once found you file a DMCA on the bottom of the page.
   It is a bot that copies the articles, and the site automatically syncs them to the net. No human did this alone.
   Its hurting our profits, rankings, and traffic.
   Were all Mad, we don't think anything will be done until monday or tuesday.
   
   Anything else post about...
   
   Thanks,
   
   ~thranax~
   
   DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY^

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   Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago

   Anything else to post about? yes I do hope we hear from Maddie about the situation next week.   Just to see what she says about the whole situation.

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   Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago

   Thanks Thranax...I guess I missed a post. and I thought I had read them all. shoot bad me sorry

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   emievilposted 15 years ago

   I saw one of my hubs copied as early as August, just 9 days after I posted the hub. Here's the user name:
   
   q16899
   
   I think that's the third name mentioned by tharanx. I already saw some of my hubs under the shiftn and shiftk names. This is the only one under a different name.

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      thranaxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Sigh..I told you 18 accounts, I have a whole list of ALL 18 names on page 11.
      
      ~thranax~

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         emievilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         sorry tharanx. I completely skipped the 3rd to 13th page when I saw your post. Was to anxious to see if some of my hubs are there. Turned out they are . Good night.

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   shinujohn2008posted 15 years ago

   I have seen document or pdf version sites like this before. I don't remember the site name. But , i am sure there are many more sites like "Docsdoc" which allow uploading of contents from web and they have hubpage article in them also. (I think this fact will give many of you sleepless nights)
   
   It is amazing that Google has accepted them and giving them high positions in searches.
   
   It is very important to inform google , so that Google can black list them , if not that site will start duplicating our individual websites , blogs and the whole web itself.
   
   Hubpages website should have some kind of inbuilt protection program to prevent uploading of pages from hubpages site to another site.

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   KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

   Poor Thranax....I've been handing you buckets of water as fast as I could.  (putting out the fires reference).

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   thranaxposted 15 years ago

   DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY:
   
   DocStoc has a user who made multiple accounts who copyrighted Hubers. In total there are 18 accounts there. The accounts total about 390,000 articles that got 250,000 pageviews that are increasing about 10-1000 pageviews an hour. Thats 180-18,000 views an hour in total they receive. You can find your Hubs by Google searching 2-3 lines randomly from them of original content in " ". Once found you file a DMCA on the bottom of the page.
   It is a bot that copies the articles, and the site automatically syncs them to the net. No human did this alone.
   Its hurting our profits, rankings, and traffic.
   Were all Mad, we don't think anything will be done until monday or tuesday.
   
   *All the account names are on page 11 in the middle.*
   
   Anything else post about...
   
   Thanks,
   
   ~thranax~
   
   DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY^

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      yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Here's a few Tylenol buddy ... Ya earned them tonight.

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      missalyssaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks buddy! You saved all of us!!

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      Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Doing as he has requested and reposting his summary for newcommers.

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         thranaxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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            thranaxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY:
            
            DocStoc has a user who made multiple accounts who copyrighted Hubers. In total there are 18 accounts there. The accounts total about 390,000 articles that got 250,000 pageviews that are increasing about 10-1000 pageviews an hour. Thats 180-18,000 views an hour in total they receive. You can find your Hubs by Google searching 2-3 lines randomly from them of original content in " ". Once found you file a DMCA on the bottom of the page.
            It is a bot that copies the articles, and the site automatically syncs them to the net. No human did this alone.
            Its hurting our profits, rankings, and traffic.
            Were all Mad, we don't think anything will be done until monday or tuesday.
            
            *All the account names are on page 11 in the middle.*
            
            Monday Morning Update: Account found, ShiftQ. Now there are 19 total accounts with these averages:
            Totals:
            Docs: 402,635 (gained about 6,000 from yesterday)
            Pageviews: 264,807 (gained 14,800 views since last night.)
            
            Anything online is copyable. Right click select all and paste in word and you will see how true it is. If they disable copying, a screenshot can be taken to steal content. THERE IS NO WAY TO PROTECT ANYTHING ONLINE. But, there is a legal system to have them shut down.
            
            Don't unpublish anything. Like said on page 4-5 if the site remains open, google because of the adsense complaints will BLACKLIST all Docstoc domains and drop them out of searches. You can't mess with Google.
            
            Adsense DMCA Link:
            https://www.google.com/adsense/support/ … _complaint
            
            Anything else post about...
            
            Thanks,
            
            ~thranax~
            
            DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY^

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               thranaxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY:
               
               DocStoc has a user who made multiple accounts who copyrighted Hubers. In total there are 18 accounts there. The accounts total about 390,000 articles that got 250,000 pageviews that are increasing about 10-1000 pageviews an hour. Thats 180-18,000 views an hour in total they receive. You can find your Hubs by Google searching 2-3 lines randomly from them of original content in " ". Once found you file a DMCA on the bottom of the page.
               It is a bot that copies the articles, and the site automatically syncs them to the net. No human did this alone.
               Its hurting our profits, rankings, and traffic.
               Were all Mad, we don't think anything will be done until monday or tuesday.
               
               *All the account names are on page 11 in the middle.*
               
               Monday Morning Update: Account found, ShiftQ. Now there are 19 total accounts with these averages:
               Totals:
               Docs: 402,635 (gained about 6,000 from yesterday)
               Pageviews: 264,807 (gained 14,800 views since last night.)
               
               Anything online is copyable. Right click select all and paste in word and you will see how true it is. If they disable copying, a screenshot can be taken to steal content. THERE IS NO WAY TO PROTECT ANYTHING ONLINE. But, there is a legal system to have them shut down.
               
               Don't unpublish anything. Like said on page 4-5 if the site remains open, google because of the adsense complaints will BLACKLIST all Docstoc domains and drop them out of searches. You can't mess with Google.
               
               Adsense DMCA Link:
               https://www.google.com/adsense/support/ … _complaint
               
               Anything else post about...
               
               Thanks,
               
               ~thranax~
               
               DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY^

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                  thranaxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY:
                  
                  DocStoc has a user who made multiple accounts who copyrighted Hubers. In total there are 18 accounts there. The accounts total about 390,000 articles that got 250,000 pageviews that are increasing about 10-1000 pageviews an hour. Thats 180-18,000 views an hour in total they receive. You can find your Hubs by Google searching 2-3 lines randomly from them of original content in " ". Once found you file a DMCA on the bottom of the page.
                  It is a bot that copies the articles, and the site automatically syncs them to the net. No human did this alone.
                  Its hurting our profits, rankings, and traffic.
                  Were all Mad, we don't think anything will be done until monday or tuesday.
                  
                  *All the account names are on page 11 in the middle.*
                  
                  Monday Morning Update: Account found, ShiftQ. Now there are 19 total accounts with these averages:
                  Totals:
                  Docs: 402,635 (gained about 6,000 from yesterday)
                  Pageviews: 264,807 (gained 14,800 views since last night.)
                  
                  Anything online is copyable. Right click select all and paste in word and you will see how true it is. If they disable copying, a screenshot can be taken to steal content. THERE IS NO WAY TO PROTECT ANYTHING ONLINE. But, there is a legal system to have them shut down.
                  
                  Don't unpublish anything. Like said on page 4-5 if the site remains open, google because of the adsense complaints will BLACKLIST all Docstoc domains and drop them out of searches. You can't mess with Google.
                  
                  Adsense DMCA Link:
                  https://www.google.com/adsense/support/ … _complaint
                  
                  Anything else post about...
                  
                  Don't spam them with E-Mails. Just file DMCA's and give them time. -Whitney
                  
                  Thanks,
                  
                  ~thranax~
                  
                  DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY^

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    cosetteposted 15 years ago

    ok thranax...thanks again. i was going to start picking up momentum tomorrow on my 30 days hub challenge but instead i will have to search every one of my hubs and file complaints etc. and wait 'til Maddie does her work, for which i am grateful.
    
    nite.

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       KCC Big Countryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Cossette, just do several.  It's not necessary to do all of them.  I did 5.  If enough people complain we're hoping they will ban the 18 accounts Thranax found and it should cover it all.  Get some sleep.  ( I wasn't about to go through all 200+ of mine)

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          cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          
          
          ok...thank you. bless you thranax

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    Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago

    Thank you Thranax for makng me more aware of this situation. I appreciate it and sorry for having caused you a headache with my posts. Sorry about that...don't hate me please And again thanks for making me as well as others aware of this situation with the website and the bot stealing our great fun hub info.

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    thranaxposted 15 years ago

    Good night everyone! If anyone wants to say something that applies quote this please, and tell everyone to quote the following so Hubbers new to the topic don't just post the same crap and go read all the info already, or be happy with the summery. Thanks Hubbers, your a great family <33333
    
    ~thranax~
    
    DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY:
    
    DocStoc has a user who made multiple accounts who copyrighted Hubers. In total there are 18 accounts there. The accounts total about 390,000 articles that got 250,000 pageviews that are increasing about 10-1000 pageviews an hour. Thats 180-18,000 views an hour in total they receive. You can find your Hubs by Google searching 2-3 lines randomly from them of original content in " ". Once found you file a DMCA on the bottom of the page.
    It is a bot that copies the articles, and the site automatically syncs them to the net. No human did this alone.
    Its hurting our profits, rankings, and traffic.
    Were all Mad, we don't think anything will be done until monday or tuesday.
    
    Anything else post about...
    
    Thanks,
    
    ~thranax~
    
    DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY^

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    cosetteposted 15 years ago

    wait, when you say "do not reply"...do you mean to this thread or over there? now that i registered there i would like to "review" that document and inform them that i wrote it, not shiftin...

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    KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

    I think Thranax was meaning for people not to hit reply here and bring up things already covered.  It all makes more sense if you read the entire thread from beginning to end.  He has summarized it, but people will continue to ask questions if they join the thread late without reading everything.

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    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    I registered there to flag the article of mine as copyright and stolen. I think I may do a "review" as well!

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       cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       i flagged it as well.
       
       gosh i feel LOTS better!

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       AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I registered to I flagged them and then in the review, I noted that is was a copyright infringment and the article was stolen! I also reported to Google.

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       Lisa HWposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I did the same.  I found one of my articles posted on there in three different places (at least).  The "review" went well (I think), but when I tried flagging I kept getting, "oops, something went wrong; it was sent to adm" (type of thing). 
       
       I just picture how if every Hubber did the same the same it could make a real mess out of their website.

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    cosetteposted 15 years ago

    ah
    
    ok thank you KCC you cute little monkey
    
    yay, off to "review" muwahahahaha

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    Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

    For starters, I couldn't resist but check the URL Stacy provided; and when I was there I saw that people can add comments.  I made a simple statement about all the Hubs discovered, and the comment in now "waiting for moderation".    I figured it couldn't hurt - and it was satisfying for me.

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    cindyvineposted 15 years ago

    Only checked one of my hubs and it's there, with a different title and slightly modified.  Another interesting discovery, was a large part of my article has been used on another site as well carrieanddanielle.com/category/relationships  and carrieanddanielle.com/emotionally-abusive-relationships-2/  with no reference to the fact that I actually wrote those words.  They have their own beginning paragraph, but the middle of it is my How to know whether you are in an abusive relationship hub.  Seems like stealing is in.  Should I feel honoured they chose some of my hubs?

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    KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

    You can feel honored that they liked your wording, Cindy, but it's still wrong.  Go after 'em.

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    shinujohn2008posted 15 years ago

    Another Big Head Ache for Top Hubbers out Here
    
    Doscdoc claims that the documents in the site are "Public Documents" . They have a search box in home page that says "Search Over 5 Million Public Documents"
    
    This could mean that hundreds of people have already downloaded the articles and started posting in another thousand sites.
    
    Everyone should seriousy think about this issue, considering the huge search engine traffic that site is receiving at present.
    
    It will take atleast 10 years to file DMCA's and erase our articles from all those sites.

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       Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Great!!! I feel a headache already coming on because of that thought!

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       Lisa HWposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       There's the "public domain" badge on the articles of mine that I found.  I particularly "loved" that .

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    AEvansposted 15 years ago

    When it rains it pours I have pulled down a part of my book series and I believe I may pull some more and unpublish for now I have found 4 on there so far so unpublishing may be the best thing but I do not know how that would effect the complaint that I filed with google and the DMCA.

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       missalyssaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       It shouldn't matter if you unpublish - you still own the rights and they stole it. I'm sure that the jerk will be banned...

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    shinujohn2008posted 15 years ago

    Docstoc uses Twitter http://twitter.com/docstoc
    
    (Do not know whether it is their official id or whether it is created by some member)
    
    Can anyone contact them.  I am not familar with twitter.

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    Marisa Wrightposted 15 years ago

    Can everyone please calm down?   
    
    The site must have already received dozens of infringement notice from Hubbers and I'm sure, contact from HubPages as well. Let's all calmly issue our notices, as we would for any site, and let the process work.
    
    I can't access the site because it's blocked by my work PC's filter, but I'll check mine as soon as I get a chance.
    
    It may explain one thing - this is the first month, ever, that my HubPages traffic hasn't increased.  I thought it was strange, because for the first time in ages, I've published a bunch of new Hubs and tweaked some others.

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    Carol the Writerposted 15 years ago

    I suggest adding something like this to each of your hubs. Then when they are stolen with that in the text, they have no excuse.
    
    NOTE: This article is Copyright 2009 by Carol Smith. It was posted on hubpages.com Unauthorized copying by DocStoc or any others is punishible by law.
    
    However, it will be a lot of work if you have a lot of sites.

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       glendoncabaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Interesting suggestion but you may not want to name any possible culprit.  DocStoc may get squeaky clean in a few weeks, then how will you look?

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    Eric Graudinsposted 15 years ago

    For your education, here are a whole lot of documents on DocStoc on the topic of plagiarism.
    Wonder how many haven't been stolen 
    
    http://www.docstoc.com/search/How-to-Avoid-Plagiarism/

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    Hovalisposted 15 years ago

    Well, I filed a DMCA notice on 4 of my articles that had been copied. Gotta say that's a first for me! The user who did this was very, very blatant.

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    Helen Caterposted 15 years ago

    A few people have been complaining for a number of weeks about their traffic taking a nose dive. Is it worth it to keep working hard writing for hubpages only to find all our hard work stolen with no alert. I can't see the point in this at the moment as traffic is so bad. You expect to get the odd one stolen but I don't understand how this could have happened on such a massive scale. Is their anyone not caught up in this? I don't even want to check mine as I feel a little down about the whole thing. Is there no other protection we can take against this thing happening again in the future.

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    GeneralHowitzerposted 15 years ago

    http://www.docstoc.com/search/marrying-filipinas
    
    
    http://www.docstoc.com/search/how-to-as … for-a-date
    
    
    http://www.docstoc.com/search/splendid- … -festivals
    
    
    Just three of my articles being copied hehehe, I didnt bother to look for the other hehehe? Hayz another problem hehehe...

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    Helen Caterposted 15 years ago

    Ok I gave in had a look and the first five I checked are on there. Is it worth me doing anything as I think all of my hubs are there. Could take me all day to file seperate complaints.

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    Jackson Riddleposted 15 years ago

    I was just checking to see if my hub was on there but I couldn't find it which is good. I am astounded at how blatantly they have copied them. Some articles I saw start with things like 'I have posted this on hubpages because' not exactly that but you get my point.

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    Susana Sposted 15 years ago

    Thranax - Just want to say a huge thank you for bringing this to my attention! I've had about 2/3 of mine taken. Filed the DMCA on docstock - will do the same for google adsense.
    
    This won't stop me writing - I have complete confidence that the HubPages team will get it sorted out quickly.

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       Helen Caterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       How do you file it on docstock as I can't find it on there. Would be great if you could help.

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          Susana Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          At the bottom of the page is a link which says "DMCA Notification" - click that and you can add each one in the one form.
          
          What i did was copy my hub titles into their search to see which ones came up. Then pasted the docstoc link into the DMCA form. Since by this point I was bored (LOL), in the "title of copyrighted material" section I just copied and pasted my profile url.
          
          I'm guessing they are going to get so many of these that they will just close those user accounts.
          
          Adsense not so easy! Have to send it by post or fax it which is annoying.
          
          

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             wordscribe41posted 15 years agoin reply to this

             No, Adsense has an online form, I did it last night.  It's actually very easy.

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                emievilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Yep, they do have. I think Mark posted the URL earlier. It's very easy to fill up. I think I filled up about 7 already.

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    elisabethkcmoposted 15 years ago

    yeah, they got me too...

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    Veronica Allenposted 15 years ago

    Two of my most recent hubs have been copied on besthubpages.com as well.

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       Susana Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       They are just links to our hubs which is good for a backlink or two. This is nothing to worry about as it's just a link and not a copy of whole hubs.
       
       

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          Susana Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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             Louidam1posted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Thanks Susana for clearing that up for me! 

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    Helen Caterposted 15 years ago

    Thanks Suasana I have to do some work but will do this on my return it is a pain but I don't think the hubs are getting that much traffic as most of mine have not been viewed appart from me so I am not too concerned now but I wonder if this will hurt are google ranking as duplicate copies.

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       Susana Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I don't know how much harm it will do to be honest. So many articles get stolen and published elsewhere that it's just a fact of life.
       
       Thinking about it, I don't think it will hurt that much. I write on Ezine too and there the articles can be copied and republished by anyone, but their page rank is still 7 or 8, so it hasn't hurt them any.
       
       I've definitely seen a personal reduction in my HP traffic (around 100 page views a day)so it's not good for me. My adsense earnings have gone down by half as well.

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    Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

    You can now make an online complaint to adsense:
    
    https://www.google.com/adsense/support/ … _complaint
    
    I do not think the current drop in traffic is anything to do with this site copying our hubs.

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       Susana Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for the link Mark!
       
       Do you have a theory on why so many hubbers are having reduced page views?

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          Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Yes - I think the recent influx of new hubs and hubbers  caused a penalty to be applied in certain subject areas. I have a had quite a few hubs removed from the google index. I wrote to hubpages about 6 weeks ago and was told there was nothing they could do.
          
          Either that or the big increase in new hubs is burying the older work. Hard to say for certain. All I can say for definite is that 1, I have a bunch of hubs that are no longer indexed, and 2, for the first time ever I see downward trend in traffic - despite having published new work.

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             Susana Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Makes sense. I think HP could do something to remove the 1000's of crappy hubs that are posted here - it would give HP more authority. I know we are supposed to flag poor hubs but I just don't have the time to do that right now.

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       emievilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks Mark for the URL.

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    This Sleeze has taken my entire portfolio and it appears that the party has been publishing groups of stolen content under Shift A - Shift Z.
    
    As far as Docstore.com are concerned;
    clearly Duplicte Content is ok for them as the 'Shifter'
    has lodged
    "Haiku of the Samurai" under Shift M on 10/08/09
    and again under Shift N on 10/10/09.
    
    On that basis: They are hardly able to deny that they welcome 'Duplicate Content' within their site.
    
    All this dude's pages are Adsensed.
    
    I Think the HP writers need to collectively kick some butt on this issue as it really does demonstrate the vulerability that has grown.

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       Susana Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hi PD - how you doing?
       
       I've just spent an hour and half filing both sets of complaints. I think if everyone takes the time to docstoc will be in the S**T! They obviously haven't got any controls in place to prevent this.

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          Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Hi Susana, I'm busy with you know what. This is BS.... This site needs to be shown to be a pirate site. This can be done quite easy merely by HP having each of us write a well SEO'd hub and ensuring that Docstore are exposed in this way.

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    Fresh_Flowerposted 15 years ago

    This is not good, the backside of Internet I suppose

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    frogdroppingposted 15 years ago

    I've lost the thread (literally) of how many articles have been stolen by whoever it is doing the thieving. But hey! call me a cynic but I'll never be convinced that a site like docstore hadn't realised that someone had loaded thousands and thousands of docs in such a short space of time ... without noticing.
    
    I mean - come on, that many? I doubt the likes of Stephen King has that much crap on his pc, after a lifetime of writing.

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    shanekrugerposted 15 years ago

    Yes, They copied it google should punish their site.

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    Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

    Well - I think you people are completely wasting your time. The reason we are all seeing a drop in traffic is the copied garbage posted to THIS site.
    
    I have just taken a look at the latest hubs published here. Guess what? Stolen photographs of fat Indian chicks and Indian hubbers posting "work" copied from the public domain.
    
    We have a lot more control over what goes on on this site than we ever will  on a site we do not write at.
    
    Me? I have signed up at Docstore and filled in my profile with a link back to my own site. I suggest the rest of you do the same.

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       frogdroppingposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Have to agree - there's a lot a lightweight crap on HP.

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          Jane@CMposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          So how to resolve this?  I guess if we collectively took the time each day to review one or two hubs that are crap & report them, that might help - but how many of us have the time to look at other people's crap?

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I don't have an answer. All I know is that the incredible volume of "foreclosure cleaning business" hubs and "forex trading secrets" hubs on the site is finally having an effect on my own work.
             
             @shinujohn - that is what I said. As you know - I was one of the few who stood up and spoke in your favor when there was all the arguments. I still do not think that your stolen photos of fat Indian girls has any effect on my hub traffic.
             
             Now - it might be that all the other people who are emulating you and posting thousands more of those hubs are having an effect on your traffic - but you can't really complain seeing as they are not your photos in the first place - are they?
             
             @lindagoffigan - there is a copyright notice on the bottom of every page here.
             
             @Bloodredpen - crap is crap and we can all identify it. Whether it breaks the hubpages TOS is another matter.
             
             I flag hubs as I come across them, but there are now almost 9,000 pages tagged "forex" - how can I look through that many for the crap? Not worth my time. Better to investigate subjects that have not been penalized, accept my loss and move on.

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                shinujohn2008posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                MarkKnowles i agree with you and respect you as a senior hubber.
                
                I am not talking about photos being copied. That person "Mr. Spammer" has not copied any pictures from my hubs.  He has taken the entire text from most of my hubs and published in the docsdoc site with the same title.
                
                Even if those documents do not have any photo , their posts are getting high positions in searches and that is what i am concerned. I wonder why Google gives all the pages of the "Docsdoc" site high positions in searches like the wikipedia site.
                
                This is affecting the Hubpages site in whole and Google will consider the pages in Hubpages as duplicated content , and penalise hubpages site instead of them.

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Like I said - I think a penalty has been applied here.
                   
                   But others disagree - so. Who knows? All I can say for certain is what I already said. My traffic is dropping and I have a bunch of hubs that are not indexed by google.
                   
                   Honestly - I refuse to believe that some one can steal all this work and outrank this site without some sort of penalty being applied here for some reason.
                   
                   Because if they can - then we are all at the mercy of this happening at any time.

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                      lrohnerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Excellent point, Mark. I hadn't quite thought about it that way.

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                         Jane@CMposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         I assume you mean they are penalizing HubPages?  How do they get that resolved?  I know we have a lot of questions without any concrete answers.

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                      Eric Graudinsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Your refusal to believe this doesn't make it any less true.
                      And we are all at the mercy of this happening at any time.
                      
                      Welcome to the darkside of the internet big fella!
                      
                      There would be ways to minimise this theft.
                      Like making readers put in a CAPTCHA before they could look at a hub.
                      But this would eliminate the advantages of using the site.
                      
                      Basically, if something appears as text on your computer screen, there's nothing that can prevent it from being copied.
                      
                      Plagiarism has always been a problem. But the internet has greatly magnified the effects.
                      
                      How To Keep your ideas and works 100% Secure:
                      Keep them in your head. Never write them down, or tell anyone about them.
                      
                      Cheers,
                      Eric G.

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                frogdroppingposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                
                
                I guess it is time consuming Jane but so many are transparent, it's almost laughable. If you check out the lates hubs, and you spot a hub that's got a name such as 'topfeet.com' then see 'topfeet' in the title or summary ... 'topfeet really is a great place to visit for all your latest footwear ... ' I'll bet my teeth you'll find it's a spammer (for .e.g)
                
                Just a silly example but honest, a lot are not hard to spot.
                
                I guess the picture ones are tougher? Though some of the titles are a bit nasty. I don't care how you look at it but a title (and pictures of) such as 'dark shaved hairy armpits of *whoever*' isn't anything other than seedy. If folks like that, fair play to them. I just can't figure out how that can be classed as anything other than vulgar - which is written into the TOS.

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                   shinujohn2008posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Leave those ones for me to handle. I know more about that topic.
                   
                   I am checking the whole entertainment section everyday day and night. If each one of you can help in moderating each topic of your choice and flag and report them to hubpages, we can make hubpages clean.

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             Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             You make time to promote your work.  Surely taking time to protect your investment in Hubpages is just as important?
             
             Remember you have the luxury of posting your work here on HubPages free - would you prefer HubPages charged you for the privilege of running the site, so they could afford to put on extra staff to look after this for us?

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       Eric Graudinsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       NO.  NEVER !!! Couldn't happen on hubpages!!!
       
       But I think you're dead right about the traffic situation. there have been lots of discussions of the quality vs. quantity argument.
       
       We're just seeing the inevitable result of the current policies and promotional efforts.
       
       cheers, Eric G.

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          shinujohn2008posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Yes it should not happen.  The latest hubs will have all sorts of crap. I have noticed it many times. They are removed with in 48 hours by the moderators , especially the hubs with adult photos and those copied from wikipedia. I have followed up many such cases and flagged hundreds of them.
          
          Mark , you should not forget that Copied content articles are being published in other topics also. Many people copy articles from article directories and publish it here.
          
          But ,they are not removed from hubpages , because of the Loop Hole in Hubpages Laws. Hubpages Allows all copied hubs to remain Pulished as long as they do not have any outgoing links.  This has caused thousands of copied hubs to remain in hubpages.
          
          And these spammers are benefiting and making money from Adsense through the INTERNAL TRAFFIC (HUBPAGES TRAFFIC) they are getting to these hubs. 
          
          I can just point out dozens of such profiles who are doing it in other article topics.
          
          People Policing photo hubs are not even noticing that crap. Realise that it is in each of yours Area , that is filled with spammers.
          
          First solve the problems there , after that peep into other areas. (I honestly flag all hubs violating rules in Photos & Video Topic) How many of you have honestly checked and flagged duplicate content. If everyone had done that hubpages would have been inside the 50 best US Sites.
          
          This may be the reason for the Google slap. Once hubpages unpublishes all hubs that have duplicate alert, the problem will be resolved.
          
          Google always penalises Copied Content , because , its algorithm always looks for unique content.
          
          Still No Hubpage volunteers Fights Duplication. They only have time to make Fun of Others , thinking that they have all Qualities Fulfilled.

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             Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             THIS IS ACTUALLY AN EXCELLENT COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR HP>
             
             I think your points are extremely valid.
             One reason Why this is NOT Dealt with is because the writing body of Hubbers are not collectively united thus it's an everyone for themself situation!
             Change that & we as a writing group gain alot of ability to enhance the overall site and the quality on offer.
             There is a good degree of loyalty to HP here that is realistically not apparently reciprocal.

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                Jane@CMposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Peardiver, so true.  While I do not publish anything near what many of you do - I feel horrible about this.  None of my hubs have been taken (that I can see).  I agree about being reciproal.  Those that write on this site and make a good income (any income for that matter) are also making money for HP.  I think the staff here does what they can, but there is only so much they can do.  I trust that they will be working hard to get this resolved.

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       glendoncabaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       This is like the prez telling us to join the Taliban; shouldn't we give HP a week or so to sort it out (fat Indian chicks and all).    

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    Have you done a site tour and seen the religious stuff from your favourite fruitcake?
    
    By signing in at that site also gives you the chance to flag our works.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You mean the fruitcake with no agenda? LOL
       
       You are kidding - right?

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          Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I was trying to set up negotiations for a Trade-Off

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             You mean - I leave that site if.........?

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       Eric Graudinsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Too many fruitcakes to guess: can we have a clue

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          Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          "M-M-Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose!"
          
          Have you checked Your works Eric?

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    webismineposted 15 years ago

    Post reported.

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    lindagoffiganposted 15 years ago

    docstoc is not the only copiers on the internet.  I placed the first two lines of my most viewed hubpage on the Google Search Engine and this is what I found.  I think they are looking at hubpages as an online writing company and think that is alright to copy and paste original material from Hubpages.
    
    The Hubpages staff should be on this legally because the hubpage writers are doing their job of producing original content.  There are commenters on my article that was copied too and I am not getting any earnings from these other websites.
    
      Information from the internet is not free when authors are getting paid for writing.  If an article is being viewed on other website proceeds and an agreement should be made between Hubpages, the author and the other internet website.
    
      The problem may be that the information on Hubpages is not copywrited.  Hubpage writers need to hear from the the Hubpage staff immediately.
    
    Here is what I found on the Google search engine of my original hubpage article with the most views.  My original verbiage starts with "Scientific reports . . .
    
    WebHide optionsShow options... Results 1 - 10 of about 14,600 for Scientific reports have been produced about how to know when a guy is attracted to you. The scientific report reveals that a guys eyes dilate and his pupils gets smaller if he likes you.. (0.42 seconds)
    Search ResultsHow do You Know if a Guy Likes You « The Most Popular TopicJun 16, 2009 ... Scientific reports have been produced about how to know when a guy is attracted to you. The scientific report reveals that a guys eyes dilate and his pupils gets smaller if he likes you. ... People like each other for different reasons, if you are just attracted to his looks be careful. ...
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    How to know if a guy likes you?Scientific reports have been produced about how to know when a guy is attracted to you. The scientific report reveals that a guys eyes dilate and his pupils gets smaller if he likes you. You have to be... keep reading → ...
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    Language - Hot HubsScientific reports have been produced about how to know when a guy is attracted to you. The scientific report reveals that a guys eyes dilate and his pupils gets smaller if he likes you. You have to be... 54 comments relationship attraction guy view. jcwin228 profile image 80 ...
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    lindagoffiganposted 15 years ago

    I have over 600 hubpage articles so unless I get help from the hubpage staff, the job of filing the proper claims with the copiers and with Google Adsense, the process of protecting my hubpage article from being picked and disbursed over the internet is going to be time consuming.
    
    The hubpage staff may have software to notify authors of illegal duplication unless proceeds are going to the staff.  If hubpages can notify a writer of duplicated material online surely they may have something like cloud computer that can notify authors of widely illegal distribution of written work to other writing websites.
    
    Unless the websites and hubpages can prove that Google Adsense earnings include proceeds from the other websites, then transporting is illegal. Hubpages does receive 60% of the Google Adsense earnings, if they are in fact a part of the transporting, does that 60% gives them that right?
    
    These statements are speculations at best and the best thing to do if you pride your time and work writing hubpages is to get a copywrite on your original written work, file a claim or start your own writing website.
    
    You will have to place the first two lines of your hubpage article in the Google Search Engine.  Then hit the search button, if articles comes up on different websites other than hubpages, then these articles have been copied.
    
      There is no copywrite on hubpage articles, you can actually transport your own hubpage article to a magazine editor.  But that is okay because you are dealing with your own work.  However, if you find that other websites are getting comments and views from your original hubpage, that means that a major error has occurred. 
    
    You should be receiving those earnings from Google Adsense because you are the original writer. Filing the claim is going to be cumbersome and will take away from my production but when hubpage articles are transported illegally, then action has to be taken. 
    
    If the hubpage staff does not step in then you have to protect what you produced.  My most viewed article have been earning revenue for three other websites since publication in June.  Unless Google Adsense can prove that earnings have been coming from these other websites then there is a basis for a claim.  From now on, it is a good idea to copywrite your original hubpage articles for your own protection.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    When people copy your work it is your responsibility or choice to fight it. HubPages can't fight for your copyright, only the original author can send a complaint. And even if they could, it would take an entire company working 24/7 to go after every single copied hub.
    
    I'm sorry if it's time consuming but it all depends on how seriously you take it. And copyrighting your works happens automatically as soon as they are published; if someone wants to steal it they will regardless.
    
    I'm sure Adsense has received a number of complaints about this. Have you contacted the site that is copying them at all?
    
    I know it's bad, and I probably have some articles there too, but it's not HubPages fault.

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       lindagoffiganposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Uninvited writer, I am now in the process of transporting my hupage article to a secure site as my confidence in the site is not where I would like it to be.  Mark Knowles stated that all published work in copywrited.  I need the web address to post my complaint of copied content.  Hubpages as the webmaster should do a better job keeping its content on its own site.  I still fault Hubpages and salute the hubwriter who brought the copying issue to the attention of the hubpage writers.

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          Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Well, good like with finding a website that will guarantee that no one can cut and paste your articles. I'd love to know about it if you find one.
          
          I'm sure the site they were copied to has a place to report copyright violations. Also, AdSense has one if the site uses them.

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    BloodRedPenposted 15 years ago

    And then you have the problem of - whats one persons crap is another persons masterpiece

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    I apologise for this posting as it is Copied Content!
    (This should WAKE UP any publisher that has built a business on the relationship that has been developed with it's writing team!)
    
    Shiftm has taken this many Hubpages Articles and got this many views for them so far:
    
    Docs: 19756
    Views: 27799
    
    Shiftn has:
    
    Docs: 17984
    Views: 5927
    
    Q16899 has:
    
    Docs: 45201
    Views: 58006
    
    ALL host jimmythejocks article. Also tons of other Hubpage Hubber topics with the same name and content..
    
    ~thranax~
    
    
    So Clearly (given the number of docs here) This Member of THAT Publishing Team, Stands to create alot of income for that Site.
    
    So..... Let's Have some Transparency instead of merely glossing over the tip of an Iceburg which certainly is able to do REAL Damage to HP & our loyal hubbing members!
    
    There IS a Duty of Care involved here as well.
    I'm Not suggesting a mutiny.... but I am suggesting that the upside of this can be of major benefit: if this company flexs its muscles effectively.
    Doubtless; this scumbag is a member of HP.
    Doubtless; IP Addresses are on record (here & there)
    Doubtless; Many (Including Myself) will see no benefit from retaining a relationship with a publisher that does not support the individual's efforts.
    
    Stand Up and Kick their Butts HP!

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    Jane@CMposted 15 years ago

    Moving on is a great idea.  My issue is, do I want to move on here, or take what I wrote over the weekend somewhere else?  I won't publish anything else on HP until this is resolved.  Wish I had paid more attention to this forum post prior to publishing what I did.  I would guess that other sites like Triond and Squidoo, etc. have the same issues.

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    KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

    It's not HubPage's fault. Anywhere you take your stuff online you're subject to it.  But, it doesn't stop there. Take it offline and print your material in a book or magazine.  People can still copy it and post it somewhere or write their own book with your material.  It's been a problem since the beginning of writing.  This isn't anything new.  We're not the first people to suffer this.  We're the newbies learning to deal with it.  You deal with it by filing a complaint.  At some point you get tired of filing complaints and just keep writing.

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    lrohnerposted 15 years ago

    Bumping Thranax's last post:
    
    thranax wrote:
    
    DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY:
    
    DocStoc has a user who made multiple accounts who copyrighted Hubers. In total there are 18 accounts there. The accounts total about 390,000 articles that got 250,000 pageviews that are increasing about 10-1000 pageviews an hour. Thats 180-18,000 views an hour in total they receive. You can find your Hubs by Google searching 2-3 lines randomly from them of original content in " ". Once found you file a DMCA on the bottom of the page.
    
    It is a bot that copies the articles, and the site automatically syncs them to the net. No human did this alone.
    Its hurting our profits, rankings, and traffic.
    Were all Mad, we don't think anything will be done until monday or tuesday.
    
    *All the account names are on page 11 in the middle.*
    
    Anything else post about...
    
    Thanks,
    
    ~thranax~
    
    DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY^

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