http://hubpages.com/forum/post/reply/431628
Further to the above:
These Infringements are Extremely Serious as this is Primarily an attack on HubPages in its greatest extreme and then on the individual writers in a lesser degree.
Hundreds of Hours are about to be lost by us collectively trying to Bandaide a gapping wound effectively created by the Host site primarily and its members secondly.
I personally wish to know the identity of this party and if that person or persons reside in My country I will nail their butt within our legal system.
@Mark - While I agree with your Google slap theory, I do believe that this whole thing has caused a drop in traffic for a lot of hubbers. In many cases, the stolen docstoc content is ranking much higher in Google than the original HP content.
THAT WAS the objective.... Commercially it likens a hostile take over. But one in which the raider is paid directly from the performance (past & present) of the incumbant staff. With or without Bots!
Docstore.com ARE Legally Liable in every respect. HP has the problem of proving that it was not contributarily negligent in such a claim over Docstore. It's a Major and winable if it is handled correctly!
I have only looked up about 6 of my hubs on that site (they're all on docstoc except for 1). Some of the docstoc links rank HIGHER than my original hubs in googles SERP. It's pretty disappointing. My traffic has dropped so much lately. I don't have the heart to go and check all 130 of my hubs to see if they're on docstoc but I think a great percentage of them are!
Sorry I have to post this just in case Shirley sees this. Saw this as I was going through my hubs that were copied in that site.
Shirley, your hubmob hub on plastic surgery was also copied. Here it is:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13059695/Co … ery-HubMob
New Contest : The person who files the highest number of DMCA'a will get a Special Prize.
I found 2 on 2 there. Those are my top 2 hubs! Dang... Sucks
What's crazy, is the the HubPages copywrite whatnot, hasn't detected these yet.
All I know is I don't have the time to search through all the documents and file reports. I can tell you of the one that was posted here that was stolen, they've only had 7 views that they're showing since 10/9. In the past week, I've had 161 as told by HubPages.
I would like to hear HubPages take on this.
Just checked one random hub of mine. There were 2 other sites apart from mine but with my own summary. Plus size intimates - for sexier full-bodied woman. There are 2 other sites with different titles:
Bra-plus size hot hubs
Sizes - hot hubs
But they have my summary and link back to hubpages.
What is this nonsense?
I'm doing KCC's hubchallenge now, working MAO. So it may all be stolen too?
All three of those sites are HP. One links to your hub, one links to the link to your hub in Hot Hubs on HP, and the third links to the link to your hub as listed in HP's Hot Hubs list. The cdn.hubpages.com is (I assume) just a mirrored Canadian HP site.
Usually adding 100,000 pages of content in less than a week, gets you in trouble with google - big time. So I would think that the bot copiers would cause a penalty there, not here.
It is not done by any bot. The documents are made by humans itself by copying text to their computer as seperate files and then uploading it to the "docsdoc server"
And big sites usually have more than 1 lakh pages in a week and that site itself claims that it has more than 5 or 8 million pages in it.
So they will not get any penalty unlesss informed.
Hubpages can officially inform Google using the "Google Webmaster" which allows webmasters to make complaints of copied content.
UW, love you bunches, but its a issue that people need & want to talk about. I think it helps clear the air for them to write it out here in the forum. It also is keeping a running list of copied work for the HP staff to see.
No quarreling, no bickering, just water cooler talk to help blow off some steam. I have no doubt that it will continue to stay on top of the forum posts & with good cause.
Shinujohn2008 - "A person" can do this much copying by hand in such a short time period? Must be many many persons. Or their fingers are faster than mine. But you know much more about this than I. Always enjoy your knowledge.
Earlier in this thread, thranx talked about a program that this person is using to copy & upload the articles.
I think he has found some simple way to do it all easier. If it was several persons doing it , they would have done all work together. This person is creating atleast 20000 pages and then creating a new id and doing another thousand. That is what is going on.
A Mad spammer on loose with deadly skills. That is all i can define .
I do find it humorous that one of these people, or one of his accounts, has almost 10,000 docs and 1,000 views. And I bet most of them are from people who found their own copied hubs.
I did find one of mine so far and filed a DMCA complaint.
Most of the hubs have been stolen during the past several days so they wouldn't have many views yet. What is disturbing is that most of the random checks I did yesterday had the stolen docstoc article ranking higher than the original Hub.
Believe it or not, shiftq, his newest persona, has uploaded over 5,000 hubs TODAY! Monday! I shouldn't say that as I haven't checked, obviously, to see if they're all hubs but I assume they are.
Has anyone heard of Bestofhubpages.com? I seen my article on there. I'm not happy about this!!
Well, I'm pretty sure it will be their last hurrah before they lose their account after the long weekend.
I checked mine this morning found 5 and filed the report on them. I have others in the loop that I was going to post. Are any of you posting or waiting it out?
I am holding on my posting and have pulled down a few once it is resolved. I will publish my articles.
I checked my best hub and it was there I sent a complaint in and I don't really have the heart to see how many more have been affected by this thief. I am hoping that google will sort this out soon.
Do we all need to file reports, or are the ones that have been filed going to be enough to straighten this out?
Rather than commenting in a thread, crush the site with DMCA complaints
http://www.google.com/adsense_dmca.html
for every comment, one could have processed a complaint instead, dont leave it up to Hubpages staff only
oh yeah, and im putting my twitter bot to work slandering the docstoc site ..so sorry if you get a couple dozen tweets today
That was my thought too. If we all put in DCMA's on their site it may crash (!) and also by putting in DCMA's to google adsense they may even take adsense off.
Glad you're twittering this!
Good J.... Smashing that site is MY Point too!
Attention sunforged , Docstoc have their own twitter id
http://twitter.com/docstoc
if you have taken a look at the site, there are thousands of articles stolen. I found two of mine and filed two complaints.
(this is when I'm glad I don't have too many to search!)
who knows, I don't know the answer. one would assume the offenders will have their accounts closed and all of their documents would be removed, but in the meantime, anyone searching the site can copy the docs.
There is a more sinister side to these events. Irrespective of the current views.... what was the actual intent here?
What other information has been secured and disseminated?
I think the 'Bot' idea is too easily accepted as 'acceptible' when the fact remains: This is an Extreme Level of Theft.
It has occurred (for whatever reason) under the security radar at HP. Clearly, this is Not acceptible and has Huge Rammerfications if it is not completely Nuked.
Factually, it was a Human act and instigated as such; therefore some direct responsibility should be expected from the violating parties and HP & writers fully compensated for the loss. However, I believe we have a need (and legal right) to have access to the full amount of information on this event; as opposed to dealing with partial information individually.
An Immediate Formal Demand should be made to the hosting site to remove from viewing ALL Stolen Information Forthwith. This is one of the first things that HP should be doing and provides HP a Legal platform if this is pursued legally. (Irrespective of whether or not it is the weekend or the other site owners have a nose bleed!).
I certainly will not be publishing any more hubs until this is sorted. I work hard for my few cents and I see no benefit in my work being bastardised.
Tough call, that one.
If I remember rightly, whilst all work is automatically copyrighted upon creation, you can only claim damages and compensation if it is actually registered with your national copyright organization. Not worth doing for Hubs, although it is essential for books and longer works.
Yes it is Sufi. However, as I mentioned earlier this is perhaps the Very Challenge that is required within the industry and is sufficiently serious to open up all the 'worms within the can.'
This is NOT Simply a case of Copyright Infringement!
Don't get me wrong - we should all still file DMCA orders but, unfortunately, the chances of damages are slim. Strangely enough, I am not so worried about the Adsense - it is more the fact that they have released the work into the public domain. This is a very professional job and looks like it was carefully planned - could be coincidence, but the fact that it was on a US holiday is sinister.
There are many groups online who believe that the internet should be copyright-free - maybe there is something more to this than simple criminal intent. Or, maybe I have been reading too many conspiracy theories!
If you ever write a book, copyright it with the NZ copyright service - if your copyright is infringed, you can claim for damages and legal costs.
How do you know they haven't? I'm sorry but this is the Internet and you are not going to stop people from copying articles, you just have to go after them when you find them. You are not going to be compensated for money you might have earned. It's not like you can call the police and force the other side to answer Maddie on a long weekend.
You seem to be more angry with HubPages that the thief.
Hell No... I'm Not Angry at HP as I'm sufficiently bright enough to see the bigger picture here and consider the commercial implications of such situations.
Look at the SIZE of this problem Sue... It requires a Major Solution. As far as, seeking $s is concerned; that is Not what I am saying!
For any legal claim.... the first question to be asked is: "What is the Loss?"
If you do not consider that you have in any respect suffered a loss... then you are not looking at the situation from the whole perspective, are you?
Ok I just found my articles on that website too. No wonder my traffic has been going down and score going down. So upsetting!! I hope this get resolved soon!!
Do i put the docstoc URL here, or my URL in the DMCA notification please?
.....2). These exclusive rights are being violated by material available upon your site at the following URL(s):.......
If any Hubber checked yesterday and didn't see their hubs, check again. Docstoc had none of my work as of yesterday, Sunday night, and it's all up there now. It was all posted today, Monday 10/12.
Well guys, its tomorrow and I guess there was another outbreak? I'll go get a new total.
~thranax~
shiftq is the one that's still posting, Thranax.
people need to keep filing those complaints! shiftq had two of mine. it feels like such a violation when you see your work staring at you from another site.
I have found ten of my hubs so far and have spent a long period of time submitting reports. I am not sure if I have them all but hope that we can all send the buggers swine flu via our mail.
There is a logo displayed on the docstoc page with my stolen articles, belonging to http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/
which states the article is "Public Domain".
An extract from their website
The person or persons who have associated work with this document (the "Dedicator" or "Certifier") hereby either (a) certifies that, to the best of his knowledge, the work of authorship identified is in the public domain of the country from which the work is published, or (b) hereby dedicates whatever copyright the dedicators holds in the work of authorship identified below (the "Work") to the public domain. A certifier, moreover, dedicates any copyright interest he may have in the associated work, and for these purposes, is described as a "dedicator" below.
A certifier has taken reasonable steps to verify the copyright status of this work. Certifier recognizes that his good faith efforts may not shield him from liability if in fact the work certified is not in the public domain.
This site also has a complaints page
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/
I have already complained. Perhaps this could be another angle of attack?
Well Done............ This is the Archilles Heel (LEGALLY) of this site! If We Collectively wish to sue these guys.. in a Class Action Lawsuit... This is One of the key avenues to shut them down or at the least Injunct them.
So we are not protected ???
I guess we can use the site then and do the same thing ??
hehehe nice idea fighting fire with fire hehehe...
This issue will surely deal a big and severe blow to HP community... I hope will see the light at the end of the tunnel...
Yes they are indeed adding stuff. I couldn't find anything of mine yesterday, but I did today. I just filed a DCMA complaint.
Thanks Mark , that was my first thought , well why not join up and put ya hand up as the original author
Its a document uploading site and not to defend the guy ,but hes probably found a loop hole.
Competition out there ,might as well step up an run with 'em (or try )
ShiftQ is new. That wasn't in my list of 18 from yesterday...there are 19 total now Ironher. 19 Known.
Totals:
Docs: 402,635 (gained about 6,000 from yesterday)
Pageviews: 264,807
Accounts Shift: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I ,J ,K, L, M, N, Q, 3, 4, 5 and Q16899
~thranax~
So...... Effectively these guys have STRIPPED HUBPAGES of its entire content!
Where does that leave HP as a viable site?
What loss has been suffered here?
And What is your preference in Legal representation?
So far, the accounts have Hubs, ezine articles, and other blogs etc copied. Hubpages isn't at fault for this or shouldn't be held for it. Anything online is copyable. Right click select all and paste in word and you will see how true it is. If they disable copying, a screenshot can be taken to steal content. THERE IS NO WAY TO PROTECT ANYTHING ONLINE. But, there is a legal system to have them shut down.
Don't unpublish anything. Like said on page 4-5 if the site remains open, google because of the adsense complaints will BLACKLIST all Docstoc domains and drop them out of searches. You can't mess with Google.
~thranax~
No, no, no, PD. They've been doing this since late August, but it seems they've only started on HP on October 8th. Before that they were stealing from everyone else BUT hubpages!
Actually they started out in August (although this might be in trickles only, as if they're only experimenting that time if they'll get caught). One of my hubs was copied on the last week of August. But the bulk of the 'copying' seems to have been done in October. Guess they figured that since they weren't caught in August, they can copy more and more of our hubs.
Thanks for all your great work with this, Thranax. Glad you brought it to our attention! I just filed a few DMCAs, it seems as though almost all my hubs have been stolen (I write a lot of weight loss/recipe hubs...seems to be one of the punk's fav topics). So, I don't have time to do over a 100, but I did 10 or so complaints.
DocStoc better just delete all of "shifts" accounts instead of only removing articles one by one as we complain. Did you e-mail them a list of all known accounts stating that they all contain copyright materials?
I would have to do some research, but I'm not sure if the burden is on DocStoc to remove all of the articles, rather just the ones we submit DMCA's for. (Although, it would behoove them to do this because they use Adsense on their site.)
I would imagine a simple cease and desist from HP's attorney/s to DocStoc that requests no more publishing of ANY documents and the deletion of stolen documents from the HP website would be the easiest remedy. There is no way to file DMCAs for the hundreds of thousands of hubs that have been stolen.
In this instance, I believe a cease and desist from HP would pretty much force DocStoc into removing this guys accounts and banning access from his IP address/addresses to protect their butts. Until then, I'm not sure how useful DMCAs will be since they'll be reviewed on an individual basis. Who knows if DocStoc will do the right thing and simply delete this guys accounts for violating their TOS. Let's hope so.
Sorry, PD - just read your later post. I see what you mean, now
Hi Shinu - Sunforged has set up a thread for contact details:
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/24130
Do not use these methods to contact and harass the people. Wait to see if they're going to rectify the situation before you take childish measures. Remember this was noticed over a weekend and now (to some places) a holiday.
Google works everyday. They have the phone numbers and contact information for this company, as the site makes money with Adsense. If an Adsense associate got 1,000 clicks an hour they would be banned without question. This site is making personal money off of copyrighted material. That alone is enough to go to court about, never mind be removed by Google. It's there problem that they don't check the copyright status on articles. Just like its the associates fault they didn't monitor there adsnse code.
Don't argue about that, its true and you know it. Thats why Hubpages has its program to flag copyrighted Hubs.
~thranax~
YES....... We think alike and similar to Sufi
True, but if you're filing the reports with the company, they may not work on the weekends. Not every company works and checks emails on weekends. You can't guarantee they noticed them all immediately.
If you filed a report using the companies email and methods, they would be the ones to remove it from the site. Not google.
I've contacted Yahoo Answers DMCA numerous times, and they remove the content, not Google.
This does not give anyone the excuse to harass another company.
Remember weekend! The company probably doesn't work on the weekend.
Just wait at least a minute.
I'm not happy with it either, but Lord...
Plus remember thousands of articles stolen and republished, there's no easy button. They'll have to go through all the complaints. And what about those who didn't report stolen content. I myself don't have time to search for over 600 hubs on their site and then report every last one.
They had 7 views off one of my hubs. That's minimal compared to what I've gotten on the same hub. My traffic hasn't changed one bit, and over time I'm sure it would, but no one has given the site any chance to correct one thing.
Well, with Google, if someone is breaking there TOS for adsense it puts them into blacklight and they ban the address. A lot of websites have been banned by google for various reasons. In the end, that website never needs to take anything off that site if no one is contacted. This is why google adsense has backup-in case someone doesn't follow the LAWS online.
We file DMCAs with Adsense at the URL in my next message.
~thranax~
I'm not saying not to contact them. I'm saying don't harass them with 20 different emails to everyone on their staff, and spamming their twitter, and whatever else that other thread said for everyone to do.
That's harassment.
File the DMCA reports. I'm saying do that. Give them time to correct the problem. Don't harass them by spamming them in every way possible.
No one is spamming. Were putting in 1 DMCA for every article we find. If thats 403,000 articles then maybe it can be looked as spam. I see it as legal process. All I endorse is filing DMCA's and its OUR RIGHT to file them for our content.
~thranax~
The other thread said to send emails to the staffers. As well as the owner. Post tons of tweets on twitter with their name. And a tone of other stuff. That's spamming and harassment.
Relax. Give them a minute to correct it.
I worked hard to writing, don't give me wrong. But good grief... This is ridiculous. You can't expect and automatic change with your complaint. Google is very busy, and it's a freaking weekend Doc-whatever may not work on weekends. And Monday, always has ton of extra emails along with all these reports.
Like I said, DocStoc is running on money from adsense. If they don't follow GOOGLE adsense TOS the site, and the user is banned from Adsense. And if it is copied content, Google has the power to blacklist the site from all searches.
~thranax~
Honestly I wouldn't unpublish anything or quit posting, that's only giving in to the copiers. I am sure after the holiday things will be rectified, and I am also sure hubpages is working to address the issue as soon as possible. The threat of thousands of Hubbers refusing to publish is a serious one and will be avoided at all cost. meanwhile I'm going to keep posting but also work on my book that was the point of all this to begin with.My stuff has been plagiarized before and it will again I'm sure and that's just how it is, but I will keep writing and making money.
Don't you think we should wait and see what the other site has to say about it before we decided to destroy them? You are opening yourself up to libel charges if you say the site is complicit with the thief. We don't know that is the case yet.
Now if they ignore all attempt by HP to rectify the situation, that will be different.
There is a logo displayed on the docstoc page with my stolen articles, belonging to http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/
which states the article is "Public Domain".
Creative Commons also have their own DMCA page, and an email address for notification of copyright violations. It is:
http://creativecommons.org/dmca/
Thanks Wordscribe - someone did post the link earlier today, so I did the dcma online. Yes it is easy
Im going to be gone, can a Hubber who answers here make sure my long post about the summery is quoted on every page for any new hubbers to come here? Would be great, like last night.
Thankies! <33
~thranax~
In filling a complaint do you have to file for each Hub or can you file for all hubs? Most of mine were copied.
Ouch! Is hub pages filing a complaint on behalf of the site or will all the hubbers be responsible to find where things have been copied and file individually?
So when I found this thread I didn't really think anyone would take one of MY articles! I decided to just have a look and sure enough first one I tried has been nicked by this person! I can't see why it was not written with keywords and money making in mind, it was just a stream of consciousness really! Of course I had to go right back out to work so was only able to send a quick email to the site hosting this plagiarism. I have opened the DMCA thing with google now but want to see if a few more have been nicked first so I can give them a reasonable list as I assume I will find more.
Guess I can join the 'I'v been plagiarized club" do we get any kind of membership card for the club? lol. I am just so flabbergasted at this I am making dumb jokes!
Hah, a review I put on my copied hub has been deleted, obviously he is checking his account.
really?
that little sneak.
mine are still there...i bet he has thousands to go through, which will take him a while, the rat.
I posted this on the other thread but thought I might get some answers here too.
The site hosting this junk should have an easy time finding it all. During the copying process of all my hubs, they took not only the written material, but also all of the advertising, which on the ones i saw of mine the ads were embedded in the text. Are all of yours that way too?
Dozens of my articles were taken. I took the five minutes with four tabs open and filed my complaint.
Now it's up to them to fix things. Interestingly, my traffic to some of these articles has gone up.. LOL
Oh! this is so , so frustrating. i have a headache already and im trying to keep up with a hubchallenge at the same time. GeeeZ
Has anyone read anything for the Hubpage staff on this, I havent seen anything, but i could have missed it?
Thanks. This is a good information.
I hope my articles are fine.
I'm about to go to sleep but here's the earlier post from tharanx which he asked to be posted on every page:
DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY:
DocStoc has a user who made multiple accounts who copyrighted Hubers. In total there are 18 accounts there. The accounts total about 390,000 articles that got 250,000 pageviews that are increasing about 10-1000 pageviews an hour. Thats 180-18,000 views an hour in total they receive. You can find your Hubs by Google searching 2-3 lines randomly from them of original content in " ". Once found you file a DMCA on the bottom of the page.
It is a bot that copies the articles, and the site automatically syncs them to the net. No human did this alone.
Its hurting our profits, rankings, and traffic.
Were all Mad, we don't think anything will be done until monday or tuesday.
*All the account names are on page 11 in the middle.*
Monday Morning Update: Account found, ShiftQ. Now there are 19 total accounts with these averages:
Totals:
Docs: 402,635 (gained about 6,000 from yesterday)
Pageviews: 264,807 (gained 14,800 views since last night.)
Anything online is copyable. Right click select all and paste in word and you will see how true it is. If they disable copying, a screenshot can be taken to steal content. THERE IS NO WAY TO PROTECT ANYTHING ONLINE. But, there is a legal system to have them shut down.
Don't unpublish anything. Like said on page 4-5 if the site remains open, google because of the adsense complaints will BLACKLIST all Docstoc domains and drop them out of searches. You can't mess with Google.
Adsense DMCA Link:
https://www.google.com/adsense/support/ … _complaint
Anything else post about...
Don't spam them with E-Mails. Just file DMCA's and give them time. -Whitney
Thanks,
~thranax~
DO NOT POST A REPLY UNTIL YOU READ ALL THE PAGES OF WHAT WENT ON ALREADY. THIS IS THE SUMMERY^
The DMCA link was invalid.
SIte owner contacts:
http://alonshwartz.com/
Alon schwartz personal website
His linkedin profile
http://www.linkedin.com/in/alonshwartz
his facebook profile
http://www.facebook.com/alon.shwartz?_fb_noscript=1
his twitter profile
http://twitter.com/alonsh
(hit em with hundreds of @alonsh = thief tweets)
more personal email
alons@doctoc.com
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Clicksco | This is a data management platform studying reader behavior (Privacy Policy) |