Beautiful Women

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KCC Big Countryposted 14 years ago
<~~~in no way shape or form resembles me
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's not what ya said last week ...
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  KCC Big Countryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok...well...maybe I am kinda cute like the monkey.
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Funny, KCC!!

Aware, thank you for you kind comment!
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Sufidreamerposted 14 years ago
Hey Idunn - long time, no see

How are ya?
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  Iðunnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  heya sufi... busy and well. thanks for asking. hope you are doing the same
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  Sufidreamerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yup - lots of work, at the moment. Must stop procrastinating on HP.
  
  My take on the argument: Maximus is simply seeking to argue for the sake of it, therefore is not worth responding to
  
  Why should any of you ladies have to justify yourselves?
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  jenblacksheepposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I just enjoy arguing, it's good practice for if I ever need to stand up for myself in a real debate!
  
  Lisa - thanx. You're doing very well here too!!
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KCC Big Countryposted 14 years ago
*snickers* KCC is actually, Karen, a 46 yr old married female from Texas. Those who have known me a long time know the story behind the monkey. The monkey is a tribute to my daddy who died just a month before I joined HubPages. There is a hub about the story behind it if anyone wants to know more.
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  *he's a she*
  
  And this is why one can not guess who or what people are ... but I still think of ya the same KCC, so finding out you are a woman only allows me the fun chance of correcting the next one who guesses wrong.
  
  And as I said ... avatars are more created to express ourselves than to conceal ourselves - and I can think of no better way to express one's self than by creating an avatar in honor of another ... to me, that shows a person who cares deeply about others, but then again, I already knew this about you KCC.
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KCC Big Countryposted 14 years ago
Thank you very much, Yoshi. That was very nice of you.
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Mighty Momposted 14 years ago
I will say this, from personal experience.
If a hubbber switches to a real, current (as opposed to baby) photo after having used a graphic or photo avatar for some time,the adjustment is quite jolting.
Whereas, hubbers who start and get known with their actual photo can change to another photo more easily,
This is probably an unnamed but perfectly legitimate science about the selection of avatar and personality....
Fascinates me but I can hear some unmuffled yawning...
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  MM...I kind'a like those people who jump around and use different avatars....seems inventive...or like all good writers: Imaginitive!
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habeeposted 14 years ago
I'm not sure I'm following you, Max. I was smart and had a great personality back when I looked good, too. I didn't just acquire extra IQ points or the ability to write after I got older and fat! ????????
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blue dogposted 14 years ago
no doubt. tex should be coming along shortly.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What...are you trying to start some s_ _ _ again...what is with you and the alter-ego thing?
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Jeryposted 14 years ago
Wow, I really opened a can of worms here, or actually Max has. I was thinking originally about men using beautiful women avatars to entice extra clicks.
I'm fairly new here and don't know everyone but maybe cabingirl doesn't really look like cabingirl? If you know what I mean. So if that's the case, how about it cabingirl, any extra clicks?
There's so much more to people then the way they look. Looks really are only skin deep and shouldn't have anywhere near the importance that they are given! Some of the most beautiful people I know are ones whom some would call fat, ugly, old, etc.
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I like ya already, Jery! Very well spoken and all so true ...
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amen to that...Jery! True beauty comes from within...that is pure'd wisdom...right there. All women are beautiful...for sure!
  
  Shoot, Speakin' of beauty on the inside...Look at this ol' timer here on the tractor...He is at peace with world around him...everything around him is beautiful...and so therefore...soothes the soul...thus helping to make him the "good-lookin' ol' fell'r" that sits on this here avatar... !
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
Jery, that's what I thought your thread was supposed to be about, as well. Apparently, however, for all the stereotypes some people on here have chosen to notice, that person has not had the opportunity, in real life, to also notice/experience the Cinderella/Ugly Step-Mother and Step-Sisters stereotype or the Snow White/Wicked Queen "syndrome".

It wasn't a can of worms that was opened here. It was a can of misogyny. The world is full of people who don't want to believe that women can be both beautiful on the inside and on the outside. That would just be too much for any misogynist to deal with. After all, if he had an unattractive but brilliant and kind girlfriend that would mean he hadn't managed to get an attractive girlfriend/wife; and if he had an attractive but not-so-intelligent and/or kind a girlfriend/wife it would also mean he hadn't been able to attract someone who "had everything going for them" (including looks, intelligence, and a kind heart).

The same goes for narcissists, who need to be Number 1 and need to feel superior. If their own girlfriend/wife happens to have all three things going for them the narcissist won't acknowledge it because if he does he won't be Number 1 in comparison to her. If his girlfriend/wife doesn't have all three things going for her he can't feel superior to other men, who may have girlfriends/wives who do.

So, whether it's a misogynist or a narcissist (or even a forum troll), there's too much for such a person to lose by ever backing down on the kind of ridiculous, deluded, stance taken at the beginning of, and throughout, this thread.
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This response truly deserves a round of applause
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  zadrobiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Amen, Lisa. Thanks for taking the time to write that.
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
mistyhorizon, thanks (although I'm suspecting there's now the chance I could be kicked off the forums for a few days - but it was worth it. )
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  mistyhorizon2003posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Gosh, I hope not as what you said was very valid, and far less offensive than much of what has been previously said in this thread.
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
zadrobi, thanks. I'm never too disgusted to address issues related to women and/or other blanket generalizations.
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mistywildposted 14 years ago
This is really me, in a cartoon version. Posting a picture of someone else on your page could also be a way of hiding your identity for some reason or other, or it could just be for vanities sake.
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Maximus591posted 14 years ago
Curious fact time.

The most vociferous complainants in this thread - Lisa HW, Cabingirl, Star Winess and Yoshi - have all chosen to hide behind an avatar.

Perhaps they have the most to complain about. If their true appearance is somewhat lacking in visual delight, is it not safer for them to hide themselves behind a fake representation rather than to reveal themselves to the world and risk ridicule.

That completes the thought for the day.
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  darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cabingirl. LOL.
  
  She is what she is!
  
  Apparently.
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  CabinGirl.posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which is what you will never be, keep following me DS, I find it flattering
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  darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  More to the point, what I'd never want to be.
  
  A fake profile that's akin to cross dressing? You can keep that caper all to yourself.
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  CabinGirl.posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is that a personal attack accusing me of being a cross dresser, just want to clarify that ?
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  darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Akin = similar.
  
  ie: I was not saying "you a cross dresser".
  
  I'm sorry if that hit a little too close to the bone.
  
  Obviously people are mistaking you for being a woman online. I wonder why?
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  yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I just took this pic tonight - it's the real me. So, do I think I will get any less clicks tomorrow over it? Let's experiment!
  
  Truth be told ... I like the pic of the dragon I chose, but if it makes old Maxi happy to see the real me, then so be it.
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  rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  nice yoshi, I'm sure you'll be getting plenty of clicks.
  just to put a face with the name.
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  blbhhdcnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh yoshi why did u change ur dragon pic? you'll get less clicks now i guess
  
  (just kidding)
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Curious opinion time.

I haven't been a part of this thread but I feel that are multiple reasons why someone chooses their avatar and whether or not to use actual pictures of themselves. Most people could care less (or notice a difference) in regards to page views. I think people who use avatars rather than actual pictures are doing a greater service to their writing. Reading someone's work without knowing much of the author (appearance-wise) allows the work to be better understood.

Someone could look at someone's picture first and think, "She looks like a bimbo, he's a tool, that picture is obviously from the 70s, that's definitely not her, what a fake...or even... she's beautiful, he's hott, that's sweet, I wouldn't kick her/him outta bed, etc."

Either way, positive or negative thoughts, it sets the tone before you read. Sometimes its just better to be neutral. And that is more likely with an avatar than a picture.
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cheap cop-out I'm afraid. This is the classic 'authors incognito' trap.
  
  By not revealing who they are, they believe their 'work' and I use the term loosely, carries a greater weight and prestige. They seem to think that if they were to reveal their true identity that it would in someway contaminate their work and make it less valuable. Of course, it's also highly likely the fear of rejection has forced budding authors to play the 'authors incognito' game as a way of deflecting rejection from themselves and onto the 'persona' they create.
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Colebabie has it exactly right (the way she so often gets things right on here).
  
  Maximus, on the other hand, has slipped from just believing in incorrect stereotypes (or pretending to) into imagining things and wishful thinking. On the one hand, I have no need or wish to defend myself (or my appearance) to someone like this. On the other, I do get a kind of perverse joy out of responding to this kind of foolishness.
  
  Maximus, the writing I do on here is hobby writing. I'm no "budding author". I've written professionally, so I do hobby writing in order to be able to write what I feel like writing (rather than what someone else hires me to write). Even with it just being hobby writing, I'll put any number of my 200-and-however many Hubs up against your 4 any day. (If, by any chance, you've written a few more overnight then those too.) If there's any "incognito" it has nothing to do with the baloney you've concocted in your head. Because much of my casual writing is also based on personal experience I write under a pen name and don't include my picture because I'm a decent enough person not to want to have potential employers/clients and/or family members' friends Google me and see more of our personal business than any of us would prefer (although, when it comes down to it, I don't really have anything embarrassing written about any of us - just more personal story than is either wise professionally or else that may be desirable to family members.
  
  My writing is what it is; and, believe it or not, there are people who don't give a rat's bottom about prestige. (Everybody but Maximus, please overlook the next obnoxious statements that I can't resist making...): I don't have to worry about "rejection". No editor I've ever worked for has changed my work, and on every "personal-writing" writing site where I write I have good ratings, scores, stars (whatever the site uses to measure quality writing). They're right up on the Internet where anyone can see them, so feel free. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't like the kind of writing I do, but there are plenty who do. No secure writer in the world ever expects 100% of readers to like the kind of writing he does.
  
  As for that appearance thing, I selected my avatar because it's Earth (a non-gender-associated thing and kind of a nice "message") and yet the picture isn't too Earthy and is, instead, but also a kind of feminine picture too. Imagine what you want from that. HubPages isn't the Miss America Pageant, and it isn't a dating site. The day I want/need any dates and have any trouble meeting someone in "real life" I'll happily post my picture on the appropriate site. (FYI: Imagining what people "must think" or "seem to think" is seldom a wise thing to do; and reading a whole, big, conjured-up, thing into the simple choice to use an avatar is equally misguided.)
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  Star Witnessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I want to thank Lisa for her excellent comments. In fact, it was her comments concerning gender and image, etc. on previous forum posts that made me consider using a non-photo avatar for forum writing. I have done this partially as an experiment on perception.
  
  I am also not a newbie professionally as an author or designer and my work has been well received on an international basis. Lisa is also correct in that for those truly engaged with an avocation, 'image and prestige and glamor' and the emphasis of that are secondary. I don't even emphasize that sort of thing on my real-life photo profile.
  
  Maximus' ideas are truly stereotypes (and not only that--they are stereotypes based mainly on misogyny). If what is presented here IS the sum total of his thoughts and contributions, no wonder he is carrying around so much fear (and I want to emphasize it is his fear) in regards to presentation in creative work...or appearance.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  max, does this same belief hold true to your claim of being a "photographer"? most photographers i know are proud of their work, and will openly provide a website (maybe it's there on your profile page and i've failed to "see" it, if so, disregard the comment). of course, they are real "photographers" and are comfortable with themselves and "it's also highly likely the fear of rejection" means little if anything to them. "what is real, asked the rabbit."
  
  ps - instead of carrying around a match.com chip on your shoulder, you might consider joining getalife.com. it's a safe bet that all the women of match who wouldn't give you the blink of an eyelash are thinking that very thought.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Max I hope you realize that the "fear of rejection" in regards to revealing an actual photo of themselves may be the case in some instances, but definitely not all or even most. In my case, I use a part of a picture of myself. Don't care what people think about it. Don't use the whole pic because I don't feel comfortable with strangers having a picture of me. Silly maybe, but it makes me feel more comfortable. Additionally, I write and post on forums occasionally. I also work two jobs and go to school full time. Definitely not sitting in front of the computer all day But anyways, you may be right when it comes to a few people, but saying it applies to everyone or even most... ugh nope.
  
  But asking you a personal question... and of course you don't have to answer. But if your avatar is you, you're a good looking guy. And if looks has so much to do with personality and self esteem I assume you'd have the confidence to meet someone in person. Of course confidence isn't the only quality, but I'm just wondering. You seem to have an active life, so just because you use your actual picture you have those qualities you suggested?
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You contradict yourself.
  
  'You don't care what people think of your picture'.. then you say... 'I don't feel comfortable with strangers having a picture of me' So, clearly you do care. It makes you feel uncomfortable. What do you suppose these dark, mysterious strangers would do with your ever-so-tightly-cropped-black-and-white-picture?
  
  This is an interesting one.
  
  Fear or perceived fear is often used as an excuse for not being real or true to yourself. Anyone who uses an avatar to hide behind is not being true to themselves. They are cowards. Whatever excuse they choose to use - 'I don't like anyone seeing me' ... 'I'm an author, I'm so far stuck up my own arse that it is my authors privilige to remain incognito', 'I'm really very unattractive, I cannot reveal my true appearance through fear of being rejected'...'I'm a female, I'm just well, you know, feel, erm, uncomfortable because I'm well, a female, you know' <<<<----- I just love this one some females use, it's thoroughly devoid of logic....'I don't want any of my friends or family seeing me'... 'I'm experimenting with different personas and gender identities, if I use an avatar it's safer for me to hide my persona/gender identity, so no-one really knows who or what I am' <<<<--- frankly, this one is beyond pathetic.
  
  Coclusion : Those who use fake pics/avatars are cowards. Plain and simple.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  HAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!
  Oh my, how funny that you believe to know everyone's circumstances!!!!
  wow.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  and your name is really Maximus591?
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But of course.
  
  Would you like me to airmail by birth certificate to you for verification?
  
  ha ha ha.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, thats ok, I trust you. well, actually, im not all that concerned what your REAL name is...the one you have here is fine with me..
  Im just saying, somtimes circumstances you may not understand, cause a person to use an avitar, like..maybe a dragon? It
  has nothing to do with money, or fear of rejection, or cowardice.
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is no circumstance that I would not understand.
  
  Whatever the circumstance is - fear and cowardice - will go some way in underpinning that circumstance.
  
  It's just that it's easier for cowards to hide behind 'Oh, you just won't understand my circumstance' rather than admit that its a fear - real or otherwise - that underpins their behaviour.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well, that makes sense.
  I am not a coward.
  do you understand that? Of course its easier for cowards to hide behind a fake persona, but not ALL fake personas are fueled by cowardice.
  I am certain you mother did not put those numbers in your name. Perhaps, when you joined, you wanted your real name, and they said..that name is allready chosen..(its out of your hands at that point) so you added numbers...does that mean your a cowared?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't care what people think about my looks. I use a part of my actual picture. But I don't like someone looking at my full pic everytime they go to read a hub. I just do not want people I do not know having a picture of me. So I use a cropped picture of myself that strangers can't do anything with. People know who I am, what I do for a living, etc. but as far as being able to use my picture for something, I don't feel comfortable putting it out there. I think I'm good looking, I think I've posted a full pic of myself somewhere on here. But for someone to access it every time they look me up, eh no thanks.
  The rest of your post doesn't apply to me. So I'll leave it alone
  
  Conclusion: People who use fake pics or avatars are none of your business. And you are wasting time concerning yourself with it.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hey cole hows it going? I like your picture. I think its nice.
  Wierd people are gunna do wierd stuff with your pic, no matter what it is..
  I am working on your "classy" hub, if ya still want me to write it..
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey!! I'm doing ok, and yourself?? Oh yes please, of course I still want you to write it. I can't wait!!
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elisabethkcmoposted 14 years ago
well this is obviously not me, I just really like the picture
I like the pose, the expression, and the style
so I picked my avatar for myself, I guess.
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CabinGirl.posted 14 years ago
How do you know what gender I am ?
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  HealthTipposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She's deff a guy, and I think he is a crossdresser, weekends only though
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Jane Dee Summersposted 14 years ago
Showing my best part!
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frogdroppingposted 14 years ago
<------- Maximus almost has the stereotype nailed. To be fair.

I'm so fat you can see me everywhere you look. Don't get me started on my ugly. However I don't have a well developed character. My self-esteem is lower than ground zero. Too much 'hey fugly ... who invited you' down the years.

I presume natures gift (to me) was the ability to write. If not it's the biscuit barrel for me
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  emievilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey froggy, you're not ugly. And don't let them get you down. We big women rule!
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shanekrugerposted 14 years ago
90% pretty pictures attract visitors and they click on his profile.
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pity you can't see the hits my profile gets. Maybe it's a frog thing.
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  emievilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I second that. My profile has earned me some $$$ .
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ralwusposted 14 years ago
Yes I do, and I thank you dear.
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're always welcome ralwus
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frogdroppingposted 14 years ago
emie you're lovely I'm not a big women by any stretch. I was being silly. As for beautiful, it matters to me that my partner sees me as such. No other opinion regarding my exterior appearance required.

And yes - big girls are beautiful
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  emievilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree!
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HealthTipposted 14 years ago
All women are beautiful in their own special way !
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prettydarkhorseposted 14 years ago
hi to everybody!

I will say my final say on this issue, thanks Lisa HW for all your comments!

pre conceived notion of people due to their avatar is not at all correct, we cant judge people by their avatar. there are various reasons why people choose such avatars.

to maximus, I hope u can still read this, I am not stallion or whatever or I am hiding because I am a male etc.I am a woman who loves to watch sports and I have children too. Yes I am pretty really according to friends and my parents lol.... I just chose the horse as my avatar because I like horses, I have collections of them (figurines), and I took care of two horses when I was growing up.And beauty really is in the eye of the beholder....and yes health tip is also right, all women are beautiful in their own rights, to their lovers, they are the most beautiful woman in the world

I have nothiong to prove to u, dont put people in a box!
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  'All women are beautiful' is a bogus statement. It's meaningless. If such a statement was really true then beauty could not exist. The baseline would become corrupted as the aesthetic excellence of beauty would be diluted by all the fatties. You would no longer have classifications such as 'fat' or 'ugly' or 'beautiful'. This is what the aesthetically challenged females want. They want equality. They want their 'inner beauty' to radiate outwards and no longer be judged on how they look physically but to be judged on who they are. The essence of them. The total package if you like. Well, my dougnut munching fatties, that's not how the world works. The world owes you no favours.
  
  'All women are beautiful' statements are merely consoling statements. They are an attempt by those who feel they don't shape up in the beauty stakes, to make themselves feel better.
  
  But if you really wanted to make yourself feel better, they why not attend the gym fives times a week? Or do some bunjee jumps (assuming you can find a rope strong enough - haha)
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jenblacksheepposted 14 years ago
Ok, so this is my take on the argument so far.

Models are thin and beautiful, writers are fat and ugly.

Max claims that writers are fat because they sit around all day staring at computer screens thinking about what to write. But writers aren't the only people who do this. What about people who work in an office all day. A large number of them are just sitting, staring at computer screens. I'm sure we could all think of jobs that involve little or no exercise, which would mean (according to Max) that they are fat. I'm not going to comment on the beautiful/ugly thing because I genuinely think that different people see beauty in different ways. And often models are chosen because they look interesting, not necessarily classically beautiful.

Ergo, models are thin and (debatably) beautiful. A large majority of other people are fat and ugly. (This is obviously rubbish).

Now as for the fact that all models are stupid with no personality and fat people are intelligent, funny with lots of personality ... I imagine that a lot of models diet to get themselves down to the right size in order to be a model (they don't become models). A lot of models I think are really not that attractive until they put a lot of make-up on. They might drop out of school (or not go into higher education) in order to pursue modelling. i.e. they do not become models because of their size, looks, personality ... they mould these things so they can be a model. So there may be SOME correlation between intelligence and models, but I don't by any means mean that this applies to them all. I don't know any models so I couldnt possibly say for definite.

Now what about me? I'm not thin enough to be a model. I'm not fat though. I am the right weight for my height and by definition that is not fat. So unless Max has his own unique way of judging fat and thin (in which case what he says makes even less sense) I am neither fat nor thin, which I imagine actually applies to many people here anyway. So that leaves us at an alrite weight and an alrite writer ... I think I can settle for that.
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
jenblacksheep, very cleverly and efficiently summed up.

Now what we could address is this generalization: "Everyone with a screen name that starts with the letter, 'M', eats pink Marshmallow Fluff and oatmeal for dinner." (I don't care what anyone tells me. I've seen people with 'M' names eating Marshmallow Fluff and oatmeal for dinner. There's no point in anyone arguing anything else. These people think pink Marshmallow is healthy, and they think eating oatmeal will make them sing better. I just know for a fact that I'm right about this 'M-name thing) (Also, everyone with an "M-name" on here must be insecure and in fear of rejection....)

Sufidreamer, we don't have to. It's just fun to muck with the so-called reasoning of someone like this.
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  myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  for the first time since last night, I smiled again reading this thread! brilliant comment Lisa!
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
myownworld, thanks. I thought I'd abandoned this thread last night (probably when you disappeared as well); but then I came back on earlier and couldn't resist picking up where we all left off.
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  myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yes, i know...here I am again too! i suppose it's a 'woman' thing...we can't let go easily! oops...did I just make a generalization there? must be catching.....
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe for you it's a woman thing. For me, of course, it's because I'm so ugly, have such bad writing, and have such a rotten disposition and emotional insecurities about rejection.... Those of us with avatars are just so horrible we can't be held responsible for what we do.
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  myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! yep, u summed it up...except add to that of course, that people who use profile pics are just 'secretly thinking they are beautiful'.....and vain as hell! who knew what crimes we've been guilty of! oh no wait...max did!!
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cough cough.
  
  I do believe this is the second or third time you have refered to my previous comment chiding you for your apparant vanity.
  
  Would it therefore be safe to assume, that you are indeed a self absorbed and vain individual who takes secret delight when people pass flattering comments with regards to your picture?
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Jane Dee Summersposted 14 years ago
I'm not who I say I am
and thats just me
that is all you're going to hear
that is all you're going to see!

If one cannot see a character behind an avatar he/she need look again!

The post was beautiful women right, posted by a very clever man right! Give him a round of applause girls.
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Thanks, Charlie! I love ya!
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Stimpposted 14 years ago
This IS really me. hard to do my hair in the morning....as you can see I just woke up here....but ya ALL me, ALL day long.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh, and I bet your breath is smelly too? (cant be any worse then mine...sulfur and all?)Its ok, we love ya anyway!!!
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myownworldposted 14 years ago
hey people...someone just vomited on this thread!!! AGAIN!
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frogdroppingposted 14 years ago
Maximus I would wholly appreciate your diagnosis of why I don't use a picture of me as my avatar.

I await with baited breath. And a hot cup of coffee
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would have to be interested in you to make such a diagnosis.
  
  And currently, I'm not interested in you.
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's great news.
  
  As you were
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hey fd, is this a bad time to ask you how your doing?
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No not at all. I'm perfectly fine.
  
  Maximus appears content to prove his stereotype. And I enjoy knowing that others are square with their world. You girls are fighting the good fight. I also like to know that those perceived as lacking in some way can hold their own.
  
  And I have a puppy sat upon my knee
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  due to mr max.'s lack of response, I would have to say..well, not saying it..cuz I actaully dont knwo his curcumastance..(maybe he went to bed?) but..its funny he thinks we care what he thinks? n..eee.wayyy..
  what kind of puppy??!!! hehehheh puppies are soo cute!!!
  oh yeah, stereotypes hurt the holder of them far more then the sterotyped..
  I am triangel with my world...nearly square..
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  myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol...yes, actually I don't care either...I'm infact now just enjoying meeting other amazing hubbers here!
  
  (don't u just miss bloodnlatex here...he would have squared us alright!)
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yes!! darn it!! on the three word thingy, I almost said..where is B'n'L?
  But then I thought maybe he was out of work, sick or something..
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  myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  maybe, he's secretly lurking...watching this thread and having a laugh!
  
  (lol @ frog..good one!)
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  Star Witnessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have seen FG's real photo, and she is a pretty, long-haired Brit with a penchant for witty repartee. Interested now?
  
  Ridiculous.
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Star - Maximus is fine.
  
  And I always know when I'm not bested. Therefore I'm fine.
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  Star Witnessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not in my book. And I'm qualified to make that distinction, . In a 'lil bit of an ego display.
  
  Not toooo much, I hope. Given the previous contents of this thread.
  
  And I'm thinking our Max is possibly American...unfortunately. Don't really wanna claim him.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  star,
  oh great. first he passes himself off as a photographer, now you say there's the possibility of him being an american photographer???? therein lies one of the problems with photography (the infiltration of pompous and arrogant know-it-alls).
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dude, its totally cuz your so ugly, and wish Maximums one million.. or whatever..would love you!! AHHAHA
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jenblacksheepposted 14 years ago
FD, you probably just don't fit into either of his stereotypes, and so he has to make some excuse as to why he won't judge you. I spent a lot of time responding to this thread earlier, hoping for some analysis on where I stand in regards to the two stereotypes, or even a rude comment in response that i could argue with. But I got nothing, so I can only assume that I don't fit a stereotype either.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  jen, don't feel alone. he's failed the response test with me as well.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  or it could be we have stereotypes as well.
  no one has the time or energy to respond to every single response.
  we dont know where he/she lives, perhaps its gone to bed?
  or its computer died?
  
  at any rate, hi everyone else! good to see ya!!
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The reason why you got nothing is because you offered nothing.
  
  You were drearily droning on about....lets see now... *scratching head trying to remember* inconsequential stuff that I was so utterly un-absorbed by that I've now completely forgotten what it was.
  
  Furthermore, what makes you think I should reply to each and every comment? Just because you take umbrage at what I say and put across your piece motivated by a sense of injustice or whatever, that in turn, I must then respond to your sense of injustice as a way of placating you? I don't think so.
  
  The smart person picks and chooses the things he responds to.
  
  The dumb person just blindly responds to everything.
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  jenblacksheepposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was just waiting for you to call me dumb! Thanx, you made my day ... seriously
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good to see your day is made Jen. Another happy hubber on this thread
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frogdroppingposted 14 years ago
@ Justine - I like your shape As regards stereotypes there are several definitions for them. Of which I'm sure Maximus is aware of as he's a clever boy. His definition and yours may well be a little different.

And the puupy is a Jack Russel cross Lhasa Apso. A delightful mess of terrier and fluff.

@ Jen - pay less attention to the stereotype. You have been responding to dogma. There's a difference
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Im well aware hes a clever boy, or I would have never responded in the first place. I intend to become his/her fan, soon as my computer allows..
  you like my shape? happy day!!hopefully you can put a pic of said pup up sometime?
  I adore doggies...
  and I know this was not intended at me, but felt compelled to respond..about sterotypes....they ARE different for all, arent they? Thank you for that reminder!!!
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frogdroppingposted 14 years ago
Star - I meant he is fine in his world. And I don't know where he is from. I'd have to be interested.
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Jeryposted 14 years ago
Ladies, I think Max has got to be one of those "forum trolls" mentioned earlier. He seems to be pushing every button he can, and quite effectively at that.
Physical beauty does get you "things" in this world we live in, but in the end won't amount to anything at all. When it's all said and done, those people who think their physical looks are going to make a difference will be sadly mistaken.
Worrying, (Max) about how you "look" to others is such a vain waste of time! Your physical appearance really has little to do with real beauty, to my way of thinking.
For instance, I find "real beauty" in some of the writing here on Hubpages that has nothing to do with the persons image (I could care less what they "look" like!)
Real beauty is who you are, I see real beauty all the time and I don't even have to look at an image of them!
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myownworldposted 14 years ago
(((justine, before fanning, just make sure u read the whole thread....and that u've read all about the 'virtual hole'...it's hilarious! )))

on second thoughts...nah..don't waste your time!
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  what?
  where is the virtual hole? (oh wait, that sounded sooo bad didnt it? hahahahhah)
  I promise, I dont fan lightly. I read before I do it...
  but really, he's in my umm..sights?
  Im looking in to it...
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Technically, it's a virtual vagina. I tust you already have your own one, a real one, without needing an artificial one.
  
  Oh, and I have to insist you don't fan me, you are not of the calibre of individual that I would want as a fan.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh. no problem, I wont then.
  did you have nice lunch?
  how do you know my calibre, by the way?
  and why do you respond to individuals who can not hold your attention?
  jsut wondering. If your too busy with you virtual vagina to repsond, I udnerstnd..
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  bloodnlatexposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What a cock knuckle this Maximus591 seems be.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  thats funny!!!!
  did you read any of his hubs? the one about God in his anus is pretty good...I laughed any way..
  its not his fault he doesn't know me
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, wait, maybe it IS his fualt...
  hahahaha
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your calibre (or lack of it) reveals itself with frightening transparency in the words you use.
  
  Ive seen all I need to see with regards to what you can offer. Which isn't much. I've now moved on.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  really?
  seems as tho your still here
  and..
  I FANNED YOU!!!!
  only cuz I liked the fact you used god and anus in the same sentence..
  it wasnt anything to do with your hunky good looks...
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  bloodnlatexposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm gonna fan him too.
  And send him fan mail everyday reminding him just how much better he is than everyone that doesn't have God ass raping them...
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh, he he
  dont bother, your prolly to plain..or manly..for him
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  bloodnlatexposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It'll be fun though!
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know, right? I have this wild urge to make everyone I know be his fan and then put my old "'posing' pink bumpers" pic back up...who does he think he is? declining fans?
  whatever, its been a fun day!!
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  bloodnlatexposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I just think it would be be fun to send him a little something to make him feel 'unclean' every morning.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
  you are my absolute HERO now!!!! (I only wear pink when I feel like being obnoxouis, by the way..)
  haahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!
  I need to go now, make dinner for my kids and all that.
  see ya tomorrow. good luck in your meeting.
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You seem to want to know me more that I want to know you. This disturbs me. Inevitably, infatuation of this nature is something I have to deal with on a daily basis. It's not particulary pleasant but what's a guy to do?
  
  In all seriousness, I don't like common-or-garden riff raff following me around. It makes me feel so unclean.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  in all seriousness,
  I didn't mean to offend.
  I genuinely enjoy your writing style.
  I have been busy and not put as much attention into hubs as I want to. Im not here for money..If it truly bothers you, I will unfan you.
  BUT, having more fans can raise your score, putting you higher on the google list, earning you more money per click..Im not going to email you or even boter you with comments...
  I like to goof around some in the forums, its not all that serious, really.
  Whatever, real life serious guy, want me to unfan you?
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh, sorry, one more
  what makes YOU uncommon?
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lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago
If I told you what I look like has no reflection on the number of people I draw in, it would be a lie.

I have experimented here with avatars and twice I posted my stripper silhouette and twice my fan base increased. Immediately.

However, those fans left no comment and I had to figure out who they were. Both men and women. Mostly men.

Those fans do not leave comments on my Hubs now nor do I suspect they even know who I am.

I'll stick with the real fans thank you. The ones that give back and I enjoy giving to for who I really am.

woah, where did that all come from - need coffee, too deep for me.

Cheers,
Kimberly
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Jeryposted 14 years ago
Ok I give in, what do you think...more clicks?
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cosetteposted 14 years ago
this isn't the first time i have read negative or hostile comments re: professional writers on this site. as a professional writer myself, i am compelled to respond to this drivel.

first of all, there are many brilliant women writers who i am not going to waste time listing, some of them pulitzer winners, who are NOT fat.

or ugly.

i have to wonder why you think that if a woman is a good writer it must mean she looks like a dog's breakfast. you also say writers have a deep-seated need to be loved - WHO DOESN'T?

second, why single out women? why not apply your spurious reason to include male writers?

do you know any women writers, or is this just an asssumption on your part? how many do you know, and how familiar are you with their day-to-day workday activities?

since i am a writer, let me fill you in on a typical workday for the technical writer, 'k?

most technical writers work in highly technical environments and have a wide range of individuals they must interact with on a daily basis. many technical writers work for companies like honeywell, motorola or intel, which have offices on huge campuses with several stories and buildings. each building is huge and the technical writer must meet with many people throughout the day, including engineers, programmers, marketing personnel, managers, etc. as well as visit prototype labs, which requires more daily legwork than that of an average office worker. many people the writer needs to talk to are in other buildings on the campus, which the writer must walk to. they also must visit places offsite such as print and copy services, as well as external clients.

for the freelance writer, it can be even more labor-intensive, as a techncal writer can be juggling several clients at once. the technical writer does not "sit on their a$$" dreaming at their desk all day.

as far as using "pretty avatars" to attract fans...all the pretty avatars in the world aren't going to attract and keep fans if your writing sucks!!! anyone who fans me and whose loyalty i earn does it because i'm a good writer, period.

you say you are a photographer...would you like it if someone painted photographers with mean stereotypes or unfair and false generalities?

i'm not going to bother engaging you further but i am also not going to let you disparage writers this way.
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  Justine76posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  aw, now I feel bad
  Cosette, you right, I hadn't thought it out. I was bored and didn't really think about the results of "engaging" him/her.
  How do we know thats the real deal there in the pic? hmmmm?
  You had a very good reply there, and I just wanted to give you a high five for that, and I shall go be good again.
  have a great night!!
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like, who cares?
  
  What ever possessed you to think that I would be even the slightest bit interested in what your working day is like? My god dear, you're (allegedly) a writer. You're not an astronaught. Or a neuro-scientist. Let me say it again : your're a writer! No more, no less. I don't even care if you'e a good writer or not. I'm 100% so not interested.
  
  There is certainly something very disturbing at work here amongst the tiny mindsets of self proclaimed witers. It's as if, claiming to be a writer has endowed them with almost mythical abilities. That to write is a grand and noble profession unequalled by anything else on the planet. You write. You knock a few words together. You don't save the world.
  
  Furthermore, if you really were a writer with an outstanding pedigree you simply would not be here. You would not be posting your tedious meanderings in a frivolous forum such as this. You wouldn't. You really wouldn't. So, I guess you're maybe not such a hot deal in the writing stakes as you seem to think you are.
  
  What's more, why would I care what you thought of photographers. Are all the photographers in the world suppose to slump to their knees, crushed and demoralised because the fake writer (you) has passed comment?
  
  Step back and analyse what you're saying. If you analyse well enough you may actually learn something from this experience. But I suspect you won't.
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  Jeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I just have one word for you Max, and that is Linkbait...ya think??
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  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you sweet pea., Kimberly
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
Jery, let me know if your Brad Pitt avatar gets you more clicks. I certainly noticed the change.
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  Jeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Easy flightkeeper, are you saying I'm not as handsome as Brad? Ouch
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poetlorraineposted 14 years ago
haven't read all this but sure do love Brad Pitt..... Jery nice to meet you whoever you are
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  Jeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, Hey, Hey did you go check out my hubs just because you like my avatar?
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Jeryposted 14 years ago
Dang, I'm starting to like my new avatar myself...Brad really is a good looking guy!
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  blbhhdcnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry but I don't find Brad cute!
  
  I wish you uploaded Josh Hartnett photo then I guess you will get clicks from me.
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  Jeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No problem blbhhden, whoever gets me the most traffic. lol
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  blbhhdcnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hey thanks for uploading josh photo but oh my what kind of photo is that!? a bad hair day lol, you should have pick a very good photo of him! and i will really click ur ads
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When you say good photo you really mean a shirtless Josh Hartnet
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  blbhhdcnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh no darling flightkeepr. I'm wholesome.
  
  a good pic. not a bad hairday look, that seems like he just got out of bed
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you kidding, I love that just got out of bed look!
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  blbhhdcnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  am not kidding
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This thing is still going on?
  
  Agreed on the bad-hair thing. Anyone can look at a picture of a guy, size up his "hair-do", and figure out a lot about his personality. The wrong hair-do on a guy is like the guy's wearing a sign that says, "I'm a little jerk, but I aimed for a cool hair-do in the hopes of compensating for my lack of substance, intellect, and emotional well-adjustedess." Sometimes (maybe in the case of Josh, here), it's just a bad choice of a "do" for a photo. Other times it's the hair-do the guy has all the time. Josh is an actor. I suppose his bad hair-do can be written off as one of his hair stylist's mistakes. Some hair-do's just scream, "I spend way too much time looking in the mirror, and I like what I see way out of proportion to what other people see in reality." Poor Josh. His hair stylist ought to be fired. Old Josh had better watch out. Star or not, he'll find himself without anyone interested in him and desperately signing up with online dating services to meet someone.
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  Jeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hows this one?
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  blbhhdcnposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry jery but I don't find Hugh jackman cute. Josh bad hairday was better.
  
  I wish you uploaded my bigtime crush, Jason Statham!
  
  he's real handsome, masculine & cute....
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  Redneckmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As sexy as me ???
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  youre not sexy, youre musculine lololol!
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  Redneckmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Where I live I am hot as hell lady, I even make a yearly calendar in stuff like me trappers outfit or if I am out swimming with my old lady just my speedo's, if you want a copy for 2010 it's only 10 bucks.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yes please, it is deleivered by mail? post it to dallas
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  Redneckmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know what that young pup Maxi was talking about, I find all the ladies on here both intelligent and sexy as hell. I must take the young lad down to our Saturday night barn dance to give him an education. Hell I might just get some moonshine into him and show him the month of July
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lololol, he will not return here anymore, he is still confused and dazed.....gotta go now, talk to you soon redneck,,,keep it up lol
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  Redneckmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats what my old lady keeps saying lol !
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hi blbhhdcn! hows the beautiful you? from the beautiful me! Statham, hmmmmmmm. I hopw maximus aurelius will not come back anymore, his thinking is way ancient for me, not even the medieval period, between the Greek civilization and the roman empire era perhaps!
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  rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think he's trying to honor all of our requests.. a couple of us asked for Hugh baby... thanks Jery~
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  Jeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok that does it, since I can't seem to satisfy you ladies with the hunks...I'll go back to the pic you'll all like!!lol
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Jane Dee Summersposted 14 years ago
My darling Maximus what are you so angry about hon. Look at Jery pulling in the chicks.

This post was for beautiful women, not angry young men!

I'm going to fan you too cool you down. And Jery for showing us his well developed bosom.

Take a couple tips from Walrus, his mature cool and good looking.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Maximus is a good lookin' guy too, I think he's just pissed about something.
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teendadposted 14 years ago
In another forum, I made the mistake of complaining about a hub I was mislead into visiting that featured fat housewives from India. I just about got my head cut off (virtually, of course). I was informed that not only am I ethnocentric, I also don't respect the fact that hubpages is a place for people of all tastes. If you want to write a hub and fill it with nothing but pictures of beautiful (or ugly) people that were borrowed from other sites on the Internet, many hubbers will support you!
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Max, you said the "all women are beautiful" statement is bogus. But isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder? My husband, for example, has always preferred big women. And I find Jery himself more attractive than Brad Pitt. Brad is just a little too "pretty" for me. See? Everyone has a different idea of beauty. I find Gene Leavy incredibly sexy. All my friends think I'm nuts because of it!

So here's another question: Can someone be sexy without being beautiful, and vice-versa? I vote YES!
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  Jeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My vote is a yes as well. And because beauty really is in the eye of the beholder, ANYONE can be considered beautiful and/or sexy. It doesn't matter if anyone disagrees or not!
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now, how can i put this without reducing you to an emotional wreck?
  
  I know, I will just slam right in there head first... it is my unique style afterall.
  
  Ok, where do we start Mon cherie? It's fair to say you're a lady of some heft, correct? A big mama if you like. As a big mama your perception of beauty will already be influenced by your own physical attributes. How you are physically, becomes the filter for things you find beautiful. This does not mean you find people of equal heft just as beautiful. Your hubby may well be an anemic looking garden rake. But, physically and genetically you will be attracted to items of beauty that already fit with your physical and geneitic make-up. So, it's easy to explain why you would not find a guy like Brad Pitt as sexually aluring as say a guy who many would discount as sexy.
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teendadposted 14 years ago

In my mind, I can't think of person as being sexy without being beautiful, but I can think of a person as being beautiful without being sexy.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
So what about me Max? Do you mean that people find those attractive who look a lot like them?
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely they do. That's why in your mind you have clearly developed a stunning crush on me. You clearly think, or a part of you thinks, that genetically and physically I resemble you in some way.
  
  That is why you find me irresistible. I get this all time so i can deal with it.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well my boyfriend of 4 years is a 6'2" Puerto Rican. So get over yourself.
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  poetlorraineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  wow lady you must be hot to attract that kinds dude
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He's into short, chubby chics who are too paranoid to post a full pic of themselves in a public forum, is he?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope 5'3 sexy brunettes with green eyes 34D chest and a sweet smile. I'll let you just imagine what I look like. I wouldn't satisfy you with a picture. Some here have seen what I look like. I'm definitely not paranoid.
  
  And why relate yourself to me physically, then when I tell you I have someone bash [what you think is] my appearance?
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  Star Witnessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Caught ya! American, for sure.
  
  So, what do you think of redheads? Just curious.
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What do i think of redheads?
  
  Is this a feeble attempt to illicit whether I will find you stunningly ravishing?
  
  The answer will be no.
  
  I already know what you look like. Your words have done a good enough job in painting a picture of your appearance more so than any photo would. This is one instance where I'm truly thankful you haven't replaced your avatar with a real picture.
  
  ha ha ha
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  Star Witnessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Em, I have not identified if I were male or female. That's very interesting... If I were female, however, I would obviously already have a much more valid, handsome guy, and not be seriously interested in what a garden variety troll thought. I have noticed you unconsciously pick up verbiage from my posts and spread it around like garden manure, however.
  
  Painting pictures, redheads, trolling. What can it all mean?
  
  You've a real case of narcissism going. Sure you don't need some tips on how to have success with the ladies?
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are female.
  
  Despite your anonymity you are definitely female or a very effeminate man. Or perhaps even a short haired lesbian.
  
  I don't think you're a fatty. I dont sense a breathless chubbyness in your rantings. However, you are not attractive. That is a given fact. On the bell curve of attractiveness, you comfortably fall well short of the median. Oh dear.
  
  Have you considered plastic surgery?
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  Star Witnessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't that what they all say when they don't see the 'required' sort of interest apparent. hahaha. That is a given fact.
  
  Self assessment and self knowledge is a very good thing. You should try it sometime. May keep you from over photo-shopping your 'photo' with a little digital plastic surgery... Enjoying the parallel structure you keep picking up (and obviously remember well) from my previous posts.
  
  Oh, dear.
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  Maximus591posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  5 months
  
  Zero hubs
  
  5 fans.
  
  As stats go, these are far from impressive.
  
  And as someone who has no photo (due entirely to your lack of attractiveness no doubt) picking holes in a photo that you spend abnormally long hours swooning over, is very puzzling to me.
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  Star Witnessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh! You must have missed that one post. Well, at least you got all the others I offered. I have a few accounts. Many more fans, many more hubs, many & much more everything than you.
  
  My hair is 3 ft. long, lol. But I still might be a gay man. Bad pseudo psychology. No wonder you have troubles with the ladies. I AM assuming you are straight, right?
  
  Let me know! I am chubbily breathless to know.
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Jane Dee Summersposted 14 years ago
Oh Maxi dear you coming round hon! Well written, you sure have some talent.

Good night all!!
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