demeaning attacks on people instead of topics,Why?

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   cheaptrickposted 13 years ago

   Look through posted topics and you will find certain "people" who relish attacking the author rather than there posted topic.We all know who the are.what do you think of these people who knowingly drive beginners away from writing?
   <snipped - no threatening language in the Forums>

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      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Point out who's driving 'beginners' away from writing !
      Very easy to accuse behind an avatar !
      
      This is another original cheaptrick, it seems !

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         cheaptrickposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Please take a look at my Hub Score and ask yourself how its possible without writing hubs.you should spend some time in contemplation.

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      rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      you can't fight fire with fire, if I see a personal attack, I report it, if it's someone being immature and showing off, I ignore their remark and answer the posters question or comment.
      it's really pathetic some of the people who get their kicks running through the forums being stupid and arrogant.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You do what you believe is right don't let anyone turn you around. The religious forum is not a good cross-section of the hub pages, it usually represents the extremes. It does get mean spirited but religion sparks alot of emotion. There are those who attack any Christian for any reason just address the friendlies and don't reply to the antagonists. You'll never stop the arguing so if it is a big problem stay away from getting sucked in.

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         tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         So putting  someone out of their supposed misery , like a dog, Is right ??!!
         who's the one full of missery here ?
         another cheaptrick !
         you people are way too funny !

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            sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Good I'm glad you find us funny! What do you believe?

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         Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You intentionally say things to start an argument. And you love it just like I do. Maybe Cheap was talkin about you instead of me. Ha!

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         Nera Woodsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         "You do what you believe is right don't let anyone turn you around. The religious forum is not a good cross-section of the hub pages, it usually represents the extremes. It does get mean spirited but religion sparks alot of emotion. There are those who attack any Christian for any reason just address the friendlies and don't reply to the antagonists. You'll never stop the arguing so if it is a big problem stay away from getting sucked in."
         
         Yes, we should just ignore the ones that mock or attack, but reply to those that criticize constructively. But generally, many are kind.... very kind even...

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      rmcrayneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think you ruined your whole point with the "hunt them down" "put them out of there [sic]misery" think.  Are you even out there, or as Pearldiver said hit and run?

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         Home Girlposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         --If you throw enough stones...

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      Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes and you posting a thread like this really makes people want to run and become your friend. "Should we hunt them down like the dogs that they are?" Are you serious? That was 100% rude. and you should be ashamed of saying BS like that and have Mary and Jesus up as your avatar!

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         tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         What's unbelievable is that some  hubbers think that she /he is right
         Go figure !

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            Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            lol Tantrum yes unbelievable and sad

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               Scott.Lifeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               The "Snips" are in alot of threads today, everyone is being bad. Must be a Monday thing.

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                  Crazdwriterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm always bad, Scott plus I feel like crap and nt going to put up with ppl right now

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      zampanoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You are NOT ALLOWED to say things like that with that avatar !
      Holy Mary !!!

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         tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         what can you expect of a cheaptrick!
         the name doesn't go well with the avatar either !

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      Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think I qualify as one of the people you cant mentally keep up with. But since it't you that cant address my or others comments; why don't you just go away?
      And you dont have to hunt me down. HERE I AM BABY! and now I'm watching YOU!!!

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      AEvansposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I believe that all of the writers who post topics on the forums regardless if they are positive or negative should always be prepared. There are also some who enjoy stirring the pot and when they do this unless they are diplomatic it can turn into a boxing ring. I don't believe anyone intentionally tries to push a new writer away, I also agree with everyone else write a hub about it I am certain that many will read it and respond. It is hard for someone like yourself to even discuss this topic when you have not written anything.

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      Wendi Mposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Where are your hubs?  Did you misplace them?

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   Why don't you write a hub about your 'pickle' so that you can relish making a relevant comment as an 'Author' rather than making impotent remarks yourself?
   
   "Should we hunt them down like the dogs that they are and put them out of there misery?"
   
   Have you ever noticed the poor quality of comments are often equal to poor quality of grammer?
   
   How Sad that anyone would 'hunt down a Dog' - Cheap!
   If You Get a Life; it will put you out of your misery!
   Have you considered that point?

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      Stimpposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I've also seen this Odd style of writing apply to those who put spaces prior to (and after) a comma or a period or a question mark.  No real comment is made and the mis-punctuation is a little distracting.  Take away the absurd punctuation errors, the messages are nasty and just cruel.  Just something I've noticed, that's all.

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         Stimpposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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      drej2522posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      So harsh...Perhaps not everyone has the command of the language like yourself, our 'distinguished' critic. Or, PERHAPS, the author of this thread didn't have enough information to create a Hub...Either way, if you were unsatisfied with the topic, why the hell did you post? What point were you REALLY trying to make here?

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         cheaptrickposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I believe the word is Persecution as the Christians say...

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      cheaptrickposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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         Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Never mind debating anybody. Explain that idiotic, punk statment. You are not a stupid person. So what is your story. Thought I was trouble.

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            cheaptrickposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            You are quite right,That"statement" was unnecessary to my point,it is understood locally as applying to people not dogs.Perhaps I should have said "Rabid dogs".I share my life(Notice I did not say OWN)with a lab(Bruno)and a pit bull(china)whom i Love dearly.My lesson here is Not using local stuff on an international site.My sincere Apologys to you all.Your name calling includes You in the Narrow minded club.you could have made your point without it.

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   tantrumposted 13 years ago

   7 months and no hub ?!!
   and pretending to be 'someone ' ?!
   
   too cheap a trick !!

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      maudine_05posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      sometimes I wonder why no hubs but sure gained hubrank of 85? but me only 75 whos cheaper???? ..ME!!!! LOL!!!!

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         cheaptrickposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Finally,a post worth reply.You have taken the deeper look I was hoping for.A hub score of 85 is not so bad is it.I unpublished all of my hubs to see if anyone had the presence of mind to take that deeper look.you are aware...Thank you...

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   tantrumposted 13 years ago

   I believe cheaptricks always  show !

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago

   Mommy's alright
   
   Daddy's alright
   
   They just seem a little weird
   
   Surrender

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      Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      But don't give yourself away...

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   thisisoliposted 13 years ago

   Unfortunately any public Internet forum is consistently awash with people who love to nit-pick and flame with personal attacks. What annoys me more is when people link grammar to intelligence, spelling to IQ, and the like.
   
   When posting in forums I never really spellcheck or proofread what I have written.  Personally I do not have time to do that for everything which I write, and would much rather spend time going through work which I am paid for.
   
   If my writing is legible to the majority of readers on a forum then I deem it acceptable.
   
   If people feel the need to personally attack either a person or their work with no provocation, then they really do lead sad lives.  I tend to try and engage the abuser in the actual discussion, it is amazing how quickly they disappear, or end up repeating their baseless insults.

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      Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      When people have no real reply to your argument they insult your spelling or grammer. It's best to check your spelling and leave them nothing nothing to address but your comments.

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         tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         LOL! Good one!

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   What has this got to do with religion?
   
   Is there No Situation that you can discuss objectively without using an excuse?
   
   This thread IS ANTAGONISTIC in itself.  If it takes a tag team to make a point... then the question of who the Dog is becomes most apparent!
   
   There is Nothing Demeaning about an honest opinion that is factually correct.

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   Jane@CMposted 13 years ago

   I don't give much thought to those who post with no hubs, why, because this is a writing site!
   
   Not sure I know of a single person here who would take someone to the dogs.  There may be different opinions, different arguments, but those I know would never take anyone to the dogs.  Thats just sad!

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   Yep ..... It's a CheapShot Thread!
   Hit and Run...
   2 hours and the OP doesn't take any further (direct) involvement!
   
   Must be busy writing

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      tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      
      always the same story: Hit & Run !

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    Brian Leightonposted 13 years ago

    I am new here and can only say that I have not experienced a personal attack or crude remark from anyone on either of my 2 hubs or indeed in any threads in the Forum.
    
    Do you feel like you are personally under attack?

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Welcome to HP Brian.
       This is a wee game that gets played here on occassion:
       It's called: Let's Try and Get a Rise so the Fish gets Banned!
       
       You can generally notice it; by the fact that they Never Use Fresh Bait

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          Brian Leightonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks Pearldiver for the welcome.
          
          If anyone wants to make a demeaning attack on me, please feel free as my topics/hubs are not really controversial enough to warrant attack.
          
          Maybe that is also a possible answer?

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             thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Your dog flu guide completely failed to cover other animals such as cats, how dare you portray such a bigamist attitude!

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    secondreviewposted 13 years ago

    Idiots will be idiots.  No point arguing except for fun and killing precious time.

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       rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       there are a few here with lots of time.
       
       I totally agree with you.

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    Stimpposted 13 years ago

    In addition, just because someone isn't pumping out 86,000 hubs a day because of their proficiency in cutting and pasting articles off the internet isn't at the same level of those who do, does not mean their thoughts should be thrown to the side. I could pump out a ton a hubs a day as well IF I wanted to cut and paste articles.  If this is your style FINE, I don't care one way or the other and I'm not criticizing those who do.  So, please don't criticize others for putting thought into what they write and the originality of those hubs.  Just don't go there, we all have our own styles and we should be applauding one another, not pushing each other down.   I choose to write original life experience of life in rural America while adding a comedic twist....that's just my style.  I also know people here who have joined HubPages for the sole purpose of participating in the forums but have no hubs at all, and probably never will.  Who cares?  They still have valid points.  They shouldn't be criticized or called less than a person because they aren't a top writer here.  So, for someone to say "Gee , 7 mos , and no hubs ? ! !" (note the blatant punctuation errors) what does that matter?  I don't get it. 
    
    One last thought, I have ALWAYS found it true in myself and others that we criticize in others that for which we do not like about ourselves OR those whom we perceive to be better than us.  Work on yourself and stop attacking others.  Think about it.
    
    Okay...haters....hit me

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    tantrumposted 13 years ago

    You're not that important

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       Stimpposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Again, you speaking to yourself or someone else.

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          tantrumposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          How cheap !
          Just like cheaptrick. Two of a kind ! 

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             Stimpposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             That makes three of us then, doesn't it, Sugar. ~Yawn~

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    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

    these threads become so senseless. have you nothing better to do???

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    TINA Vposted 13 years ago

    I posted a request for feedback in the forum when I published my first 3 hubs.  Unfortunately, one of the hubbers accused me of paying somebody as a freelancer to do my hub.  I was honestly hurt but it didn't stopped me to continue writing. I just tried to respect her opinion.
    
    I suggest you also try to write an article of your interest. If you will receive negative comments, just take it as a challenge. Goodluck!

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    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

    some people love the drama, some love to dish it out.
    
    attacking people rather than the topic or behavior is nothing more than ridicule, they're attacking something of themselves in the other person.

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    Leta Sposted 13 years ago

    There is just a sense about these things as far as what is appropriate and what is not.  Sometimes those who 'stir' are kind of funny and invite valid conversation - and oddly (or not) nobody complains about them, as it is sensed it is all in fun.
    
    However, there has been a great influx (I've noticed) over the past few months of people just being nasty, calling people names and ridiculing.
    
    And yes, of course it is completely psychological - those who feel the need to do this are projecting (psych 101) their fears and weaknesses onto others.  In some way, it 'relieves' them...without having to acknowledge their feelings.  I am the type who really cannot abide this sort of stuff - feel like there is enough of it in the world already.

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       Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I love to debate. I especially love to debate politics and religion. I have anger issues. Arguing topics on the forums or writing controversial hubs is a great way to redirect my anger in a  positive way. And I try to stick to the topic being discussed.(pysch 101)

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          Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I didnt take pysch 101 ,prefering to take the bus instead
          learned whole lot more about people,trust me and no nutty professors to tell me his theories

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             Leta Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Debate isn't what I'm talking about guys.  It is just fine in my book.
             
             And you can read psych 101 on your own.  I did, .

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                Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                TK almost got me banned a few time too. I know how you feel. I just dont address anything he says anymore.

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                   Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Why is he so interested in Lita?

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                      yoshi97posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      She looks great and is highly intelligent ... what's there not to like?

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                      Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      I'm told; stalkers have tunnel vision.

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             Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Yes, life is a good teacher, and as we've seen in the last few days; Pyschology can not always protect you from your own insanity.

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                Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Unless you used the book to actually knock the crap outta some people im joking;)

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             Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Kiss Kiss

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    tksenseiposted 13 years ago

    Yes, funny how what we think we see in others is so hard to recognize in ourselves.
    
    
    But then sometimes...

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    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

    I'm with you on this Lita. there's come a point, when you just say, hey, is this your life? you have nothing better to do??
    I lose respect quickly for those kind of people.
    
    it's a handful, for the most part, the people here seem to be really decent people. some are just ignorant of basic human interactions.

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       Leta Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yes.  And the funny thing is that Hubpage management does not acknowledge the difference between those who bully and are nasty--and those who have a tendency to defend or stand up against them, in defense of themselves or others (instead of just ignoring).  Unfortunately, , for me also, haha, I have always been the latter.  And don't think it will change.
       
       I realize it is just a forum, yeah, yeah, but the written word carries weight and therefore power and influence...anyone writing I think believes this. 
       
       *edit - and I really am not talking about debate or just having fun arguing...there are just some here that ARE malicious trolls and should be thrown out.

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          tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          The really funny thing is that the former so often want people (mostly themselves) to think they are the latter when the contrary is so obvious. It's a good thing that reality doesn't conform to demands, presumptions, and unchecked ego because too many competing interests would result in chaos and destroy the universe as we know it.

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             rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             very true. don't you sometimes almost feel 'sorry' for them?
             it's like they forget that real people are reading their comments.

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             Leta Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Yes, Tk.  That would be you (so obvious you'd know) I reference.  And I have never bullied you or followed you.  Or called you any dirty name.  In fact, I was decent to you when you first came here...until it was obvious what you were. 
             
             But some (and I'm not sorry to acknowledge it...let them ban me for it...I do not care) have no sense of what is appropriate socially or otherwise - in fact, they live to be nasty and to be as dirty and obstructive as they can.  That is commonly known as sociopathic behavior.  And it can be done through actions as well as simple words, gaming the system.
             
             In reality, I have very little interest in you at all.  You are boring to me, as I don't find anything that you say of interest or carrying a lick of intelligence (sorry, just my personal opinion).  I'd just prefer you leave me alone or that they ban you forever, as you are an annoyance.  And it has nothing to do with any perceived differences in opinion on politics or otherwise.
             
             Go ahead.  Yawn...  Hit that report button.  I do have a million other things I could be doing for three days.

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                tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                That is, of course, a lie.

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                   Leta Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Trust me when I say it:  I have absolutely NO interest in you at all.  You leave me alone (yeah, right), I will most assuredly leave you alone.

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                      tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      You know what they say here in Kansas: Whenever someone keeps repeating, "trust me" you know...

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    Cagsilposted 13 years ago

    Because, in today's society, almost everyone is defensive when it comes to two topics "religion" and "politics".
    
    Unfortunately, these two topics can be really annoying, because people have a tendency to over-read-into-things, and make out what they detest most.
    
    One person might find an insult funny, some wouldn't. It's relative to your attitude at the time you talk about it.
    
    Religion is the who says what, what was said, and when it was said and if indeed any of it is factual inside reality. Which it is not.
    
    Politics is perception. How the public perceives Government officials. What kind opinion the majority carries, because that's all politicians are interested in.
    
    Politicians don't care about the people- they are greedy and out for themselves. Sure, some put on a great act, but the problem is the public buys the act, lock-stock and barrel.
    
    And, it's killing society.
    
    And, so is religion, it's killing society, because people refuse to accept FULL responsibility for their own life. And, that's the most obvious thing I conclude.

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    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

    sometimes I forget to check and there may be an error, but if someone picks out my error instead of reading the post, well, their opinion wouldn't mean much anyway.

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    Cagsilposted 13 years ago

    Just remember, assumption leads to disaster, almost always.

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    Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago

    

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       Leta Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       A little more than that I know you know, lol.  But yeah, OK...  You always add levity!

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    RKHenryposted 13 years ago

    Some hubbers actually start their own forum topics about whether or not they should remain.  So when a hubber starts a forum like that, as selfish as it is, what of them?  Do they not deserve a necessary reality check? 
    
    Some hubbers like personal attacks.  Some hubbers like dishing out personal attacks.  It is the nature of the beast.  However, what I find to be the most ironic characteristic of many hubpage hubbers, is the absence of the necessary, assertive self-esteem to debate.  Most insecure debaters, use aggressive behavior to hide behind, due to their own lack of self-worth and educational-acquired intelligence.
    
    It is what it is.

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       Leta Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Dear God, RK (nice to see you!), don't mention education here, .

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       tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       It sure is.

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    yoshi97posted 13 years ago

    I think some people just like to get others going. I know a few here that seem to post only for that purpose. I've fallen for such posts in the past but I believe I have learned to take them less serious and recognize them for what they are ... a chance for someone to stir the pot and see what falls out.
    
    The best way to stop such play .. ignore their effort and post on another thread ... which is why I almost didn't add to this thread, but I wanted to remind everyone out there that they were being led by the nose and needed to consider being their own house and not allowing another to steer them for their own amusement.

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    manlypoetrymanposted 13 years ago

    
    
    "Why can't we all just get along...PEACE and Coca-Cola Harmony, Man...!"

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    Cris Aposted 13 years ago

    hell yeah! i'm with manly
    
    
    
    is Pepsi okay?   

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       manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Hell yeah...!

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          I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Triple   Hell yeah!

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    Lisa HWposted 13 years ago

    I just came from the "love your Hubs" thread to see what's here.  It was mentioned on that thread.  Looks to me like everyone has said whatever I may have said (do like debating, don't think attacking is part of debating, etc.) 

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    manlypoetrymanposted 13 years ago

    
    
    "Peace Out!"

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    I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 13 years ago

    Pepsi???   not what it's cracked up to be? Hmmmm...
    
    
    
    You Like

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       Cris Aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe

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          I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Hmmmm.

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    drej2522posted 13 years ago

    what's up, invictus...

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    Cris Aposted 13 years ago

    For manly, invictus and all the peace addicts out there!
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLTw_ouiLCQ

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       manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       That was great...!

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       I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You are so beautiful, Cris...sooo lovely, Thanks!
       
       Timeless inspiration.....

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       I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Lovely piece. Cris!
       
       Thank you, must close my eyes, now....
       
       sweet dreams...xx    ( eyes are melting)

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          Cris Aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          when eyes melt, do the lashes descend one by one, like the sunflowers when the sun has set?
          
          g'night

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             I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Melted 
             
             as eyes grace the sleepy time
             dreams bestowed to chrimsn time
             shall my eyes open anew
             new day sought. life so true
             
             
             
             Ciao bello.... I will be having very sweet dreams...

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                poetlorraineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                and did you

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                   I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I did and often do, because our lives are but mere dreams...we get to choose whether our dream is to love, hell or any in-betweens..
                   
                   This had been a great peace out moment to rest my eyes as my body continued to soar in the emotion of my poem...whew!

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       Friendlywordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Wow...Bless your sweet heart. PEACE!

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    manlypoetrymanposted 13 years ago

    
    
    UUUHHH...Peace is the Answer!

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    manlypoetrymanposted 13 years ago

    Here's one from a group I know of that sings for real about "Peace"...and always has ...since the 60's!
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOd-BT2N-18

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       Cris Aposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       And half a century later, we sing the same song...

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    cheaptrickposted 13 years ago

    Has anyone noticed my hub score.how is that possible without writing any hubs?My avatar has nothing to do with religion.it is a visual crone.Anyone have an understanding of what a Crone is?PEARLDIVER,your arrogance is amusing.I bet you were a good little student in grammar school.Hopefully your blunted caustic mind will catch up with your perfect grammar.I PRAY it dose...

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    poetlorraineposted 13 years ago

    hi did you see the challenge i set for you I*n*v*i*c*t*u*s is in the challenge forum started by Cris

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       I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       umm..no...well...maybe    I will see if I can manage it.. So what are you looking for? A rant of what?

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    poetlorraineposted 13 years ago

    yeah in prose, letting of steam about something, something about as unlike you as you can imagine,  it will probably be funny to those that are used to your kind ways, and luv poems.  You can just pretend...... but no red a tinge of yellow or green if you must

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