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   Leon O.posted 15 years ago

   What's up with this site? I am new and use it to publish articles for clients to read, to force myself to write more often and to increase my writing skills.
   Getting feedback now and again is great but I don't use it as a barometer to write more about,'oh, let me think, what will it be today'?
   
   I don't see the draw in writing 481 hubs on, more or less, the same topics. Is it to make money on google ads (how much are you making $1200./year? Wow that's a lot of money).
   
   Or is it the high rating score placed in your avatar (I have fans so I must be important)?
   
   If this is what a writing club is about then I have to say I'm disappointed.  I was expecting to read some great writing, interesting topics, and a community of writers who inspire one another to write BETTER not make money on google ads and live off the fumes of your hubber rating.
   
   Am I alone here?

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      tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I write only for fun
      
      I can't care less about Google, Adsense and what have you.
      
      Relax and Enjoy !
      

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      rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      There is a lot of good writing here on interesting topics and many of us inspire each other with comments on our articles.
      look around, open up the topics you're interested in and you will find some amazing writers. many of them do not come into the forums, this is a small percentage of the writers at HP.

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      Set's All Setposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You're gonna learn quick That hubpages is all about making money first and and good writing second. Just by changing the word "writing" to "content", you can get away with posting 500 plus hub filled with pictures of half naked Indian women. As long as you make money and give hubpages a cut, it's gravy.

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   Ivorwenposted 15 years ago

   Keep looking around.  There are many different types of writers here. 
   
   The topics you are following will determine much of what you see, so if you have an interest in reading things of another topic, search the 'Topics' section at the top of your screen. 
   
   Also, check out the writing of hubbers whose comments you enjoy on the forum, if you spending much time here.

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      Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Ivorwen, I enjoyed and believe in a lot of what you say.

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   Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago

   Try more than $1200 a month.

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      Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Are you saying you make more than $1200. per month?

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         tobey100posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         based on content alone, oh yeah!!!

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            Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            show me the money then

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               Mike Rogersposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Speaking for myself, I enjoy and seek out conversation with others that differs from my own. However, what I do not enjoy (and moreover do not respect) is people who share those differing opinions while enjoying or prolonging the offending of others.
               
               Public forums simply make such cheap shots (and that is what they are), too easy.
               
               Back to the main point, I'd be interested to your reaction to the following regarding member incomes:
               
               http://blog.hubpages.com/category/the-p … hronicles/
               
               That is assuming, of course, you yourself take no offense in being proven incorrect.
               
               Mike

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   Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago

   I'm saying that there are people here who make more than that a month consistently.  I aim to do that as well but I'm on the slow track.  After six months I have started getting checks, not as much as a thousand a month but that is my goal.

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      Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Two things: where is the proof that hubbers are making that kind of money? Let's see the cheques, show me the money. 
      
      Don't forget these hubbers are ego driven and are prone to fluffing the figures.  I don't believe everything I read, and you shouldn't either.
      
      If you are getting cheques, can I ask how much they are for?

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         tobey100posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You seem to be overly concerned about the money and/or why we hub.  95% or more of hubbers do this because we enjoy it.  Period.  This is one place where you can write 2,000 hubs about peanuts if you want.  I don't quite understand why this should bother you. I doubt many hubers consider this to be a writer's club either.  Just have fun.  Give us your view on anything.

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            Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            tobey100, what you're referring to doesn't bother me at all.  I was wondering what all the fuss was about making money with google.  You're statistic of the hubbers who do it because they enjoy it is what I am interesting in hearing.\
            I am glad to hear that 95% of hubbers on this site are on here for the same reason I am.
            Thank you

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               Justine76posted 15 years agoin reply to this

               i havent made penny, but found lots of good stuff to read. Lots of people DO make money. It all depends on what your hoping to get out of it, and what you put into it.....like anything else in life. I hope you dont let the 'fuss' get to you. Usally, the people full of BS just kinda go away.....good luck
               

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   skyfireposted 15 years ago

   Check these hubbers and ask them personally about cheques/ figures:
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/29492
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/28701

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      Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I think you are missing the point.

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         Mike Rogersposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Respectfully, I think you are missing the point, actually.
         
         Hubpages represents the future of making money online - evergreen niche content that produces passive income for months and years after publication.
         
         I cannot believe that for anyone it would be difficult to fathom the notion several hundred hubs (or even several thousand) producing as little as one or two net dollars each per month through AdSense monetization. That can add up to a very substantial sum monthly pretty quickly, and aggregate to an extremely impressive total over time.
         
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         Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Just in case, you didn't realize or read the pages which were presented to you at the time you signed up for HubPages?(which is most likely), HubPages is a Writers Community.
         
         It is NOT a social networking site. It is a platform for Writers who want to give the public something original in content. HubPages doesn't approve of having duplicate content and your insinuation at the beginning about "What's all the fuss?", clearly shows you didn't bother reading any of the pages you were given to read.
         
         I may not be a professional writer, but that is also NOT my goal for using HubPages. I use HubPages as an outlet to spread a message I have come to understand the world, specifically America, needs to have/hear/receive and put to work.
         
         I'm not sure of your purpose for being here or even your purpose of life, for that fact, and I'm not really in a position to understand your futile attempt to downgrade or degrade the writers of HubPages Community. Did I take offense? You better believe it.
         
         If you're interested in writing good and original content, then HubPages would be a good place to do just that. If you've come to HubPages to mock other people, then you're surely in for one heck of a bumpy ride.
         
         Welcome to HubPages and Have a Great Day!

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            tobey100posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Ditto.  I am a professional writer and I enjoy spewing here more than I did working on my last book.

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            Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            If you find that you have the need to be offensive, then go ahead. I hope that you can draw some enjoyment from it.  I am here purely for the discussion.

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   skyfireposted 15 years ago

   I get it leon, but point is Hubpages is content network. So you'll see lot of misinformation as well. Besides adsense don't allow people to reveal their earnings so your point stays valid.

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   Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago

   Leon, you don't have to believe what I say. Do your own thing. And no I'm not telling you how much my checks are you goof, that's personal information.  It's enough that I'm getting checks or deposits actually.  But as I said, you don't have to believe me.

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      Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Well Flightkeeper you don't have to get nasty and call me a goof, that's just saying something about yourself.  Move along if you can't have a discussion without being offensive.  I am all about the truth.
      
      Mike, what you say is nice but I think it's idealistic.  If people are making large sums of money, show us the proof then.  This world is chock full of statistic makers and bullshitters, to be honest, and I don't believe it, that's all.
      If you yourself are making a lot of money on google, I am happy for you and wish you nothing but the best.

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         Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Calling you a goof was not as nasty as accusing the hubbers here of being ego-driven liars.  You've been on here for less than two months and that's what you think of this community? You're better off leaving if that's the case.

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            Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            If you can't have a nice discussion in this forum then perhaps this is not the place for you.

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               Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, take your own advice.

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   Happyontheinsideposted 15 years ago

   I think hubpages is (like anything else) what you make of it. One day I decided to write a blog, typed free blog website into google, hubpages came up and I joined...easy. I didn't do it to make money, I did it because I am an aspiring screenwriter who has an absolute NEED to voice opinions and spread some of the realisations I've made in my life. None of my hubs are copied content; although I did originally want to publish a line of tarot-insight hubs (i later noticed that someone else had already done so and stopped)- but as far as all the others are concerned they are original, based on personal belief and opinions, and provide me with an outlet where people are actually listening to me as a publisher - as opposed to constantly sending work off to people to get no reply. As the months passed however, I did realise that I could make money at the same time and set up an adsense account.
   
   My advice to you is to stop searching the adsense ops topic and start searching the original works - such as the literature category. Personally whenever I see hubs on money making I ignore them because it doesn't interest me. Keep looking and you'll get to the good stuff.

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      Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Happyontheinside, thank you for this.  Great hubber name btw.

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   abcd1111posted 15 years ago

   For what it's worth Leon, I am not here to make a buck either. There are tons of hubbers who make that their goal, but you do not have to.
   
   I was hoping to have a place to post and get feedback or followers based on my writing style. I write personal essays and have no idea how to search for key words, etc.
   
   I think you can use HubPages for whatever suits you. In time you will find other writers who are here for similar reasons to yours.
   
   There are many interesting and knowledgeable people here if you weed out the ones who simply post product hubs to make money.
   
   As they say, "Different strokes..."

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      Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you abcd1111.

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    wrenfrost56posted 15 years ago

    For me Hubpages is about more then money, (although it's a nice bonus) or indeed hubscore. Whats the fuss? We have a great community here and some exceptional writers.
    
    The money will come but it takes time and effort, 2 hubs does not  a millionaire make.

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       Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       wrenfrost56, when I wrote "what's the fuss", the fuss I was referring to was the need to make money by plying your hub with google driven content instead of writing something good and by means of popularity drawing in traffic.
       
       I can understand that we all need to make money, I just don't believe that some hubbers are making the cash they say they are.

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          mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          OH!  so THAT's what you were saying!  It sounded more like - "hey all you losers, what are you doing here!"  hehehe  :

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          wrenfrost56posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Some of these hubbers drive a lot of traffic to the site, which is good for us all. If anything it's a good thing.

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             Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

             That's an awesome point. I like your way of thinking wrenfrost56

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    Pani Midnyte Odinposted 15 years ago

    I don't quite understand why the OP is making a fuss about this. Every writer loves to write, but most writers also dream of being PAID to write. HubPages allows us to get paid for writing while taking part in a wonderful community. So really, what is the problem?

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    mega1posted 15 years ago

    what is it that YOU actually want from HP?  People are here for all kinds of reasons.  I just like the interaction and the opportunity to write.  I don't do it for the money, there is no fame, the money is a joke, popularity? that's kinda silly, isn't it?  IT'S  FUN TO DO!  is that not enough for you?

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       Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       that's exactly what I'm getting at, that is what I enjoy at HP
       well written and thank you

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    Happyontheinsideposted 15 years ago

    Thanks

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    lynnechandlerposted 15 years ago

    As Flightkeeper said it is against adsense TOS to post figures. The money is there but it is going to take you more than two hubs and two months to start seeing it. It's not an instant gratification thing and those that have made substantial payouts have taken the time to learn how to work it so that they can make money on here.
    
    There are those though who are just here to write, to create, or whatever. If you are so worried about the money that could be potentially made, I don't think you presented yourself truthfully in the beginning. You just want to write articles to give information, force yourself to write more often, and increase your skill is what you said, but here you are pushing the money issue. You need to understand that while it is against adsense TOS it is also a personal issue. I wouldn't discuss my paycheck with you if we worked at the same firm, why should any of us discuss it with you here.
    
    Read over the TOS here, the help pages, take your time to learn. As a person who knows decorating, there are a number of directions you could take your hubs to give people good solid quality information and being a little nicer in the forums will get your hubs read and gain you followers quicker than starting a fuss.
    
    Welcome aboard!

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    Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago

    Then don't be offensive.

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    mega1posted 15 years ago

    also - Hey - it's none of your business, really, how much the other people are making on this site!  Some make a lot, some make little, some make nothing - so, if that matters to you, get busy!

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    Arthur Fontesposted 15 years ago

    Why would anyone have to validate their income?
    
    Did anybody ask you to sign up?
    
    Did anyone promise you anything?
    
    I like to write and this is an incredible platform with a great community to allow me to do exactly what I want.

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       Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       It's clear to see how many have taken offense to this posting. I must have hit a nerve for some and for this I apologize.  I am all about the truth and if I'm hearing bs, then I'm going to call it, that's all.  If you can't handle that, don't read this posting.

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          A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I made one Billion last month and am posting this from my personal helicopter on my way to my yacht docked in Galveston Bay. If I can do it so can you!

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             Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Don't forget to swing by and pick me and my hubby up, Texan

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                Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                You mind swinging up to Ontario, I wanna come along too!

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                A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Ok Crazed, If I go to Canada its because I want to shoot bears from my helicopter.......Yeeeeeehaw

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                   Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Nevermind! I am not into hunting. I'll stay at home in Cali then

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                      A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      The other guy wanted to be picked up in Canada, I ain't going to Canada unless I get to kill something! So I will continue my Cruise around the Gulf Of Mexico searching for buried treasure.

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                         Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         OO OOO I wanna do that I wanna go look for treasure! and maybe swim with some sharks

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    skyfireposted 15 years ago

    Let's not just comment based on first post. Leon posted more than that. So let's just post wrt his last posts.

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       pigfishposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I prefer to get back to the point that started all this.  "A problem well defined is half solved." -Ben Franklin

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    ddsurfscaposted 15 years ago

    I enjoy writing, and I enjoy sharing some of the things I know, and some experiences I have had.  I have written poems that have been published, but aspire to get some of my other work published but didn't know how.
    Fortunately, through this site, I have found an agent who is currently hooking me up with an editor, and has agreed to sell one of my childrens books.  I am jazzed, and it would not have happened if I had not spent time on this site, and been able to discuss things with other more experienced writers.  It is so easy to be taken advantage of if you are not careful.  Anyway, I am well on my way to having my childrens book published, and after that, an autobiography that I am still working on.  Thanks fellow hubbers.

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       pigfishposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       ddsurfca, That is wonderful!  Go you!

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       Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       That's great news!  Congratulations and thank you for that.

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    pigfishposted 15 years ago

    There is a LOT of great writing on HubPages, but, personally, I have had to learn how to dig to find it.  You would think that checking out the topics you like would be the best way.  However, in my short 3 months, I've found better writing on all kinds of subjects by looking to see who my fav Hubbers follow.  I've found some wonderful surprises, people from all over the world writing about everything under the sun.  The Hubs that rise to the top of the "topics" lists seem more...commercial?  I'm having a great time on HubPages, writing and reading.

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       Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Your comment on the second last line "The Hubs that rise to the top of the "topics" lists seem more...commercial?" is what spawned my thread.
       
       Thanks to you and other nice hubbers, I am better equipped to find hubs that interest me.

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    Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago

    I use to be here for the money but writing is such a great outlet for me that I just write now. If I make money then I make money but this time (me being unemployed) I get the chance to write on here while I look for another job. I get the chance to work on my stories that I want to hopefully get published one day. But for now making money on this website is in the back of my mind.

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       Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for that. I really like your sensibility after reading some of your stuff.

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    LOL Why should I show you the money? I did not invite you here, I don;t know if you are a robber or IRS staff. Come on, get real

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       Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       It's just a figure of speech, and don't you know that google issues statements of income to the IRS.
       hehehe

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          Crazdwriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          you said a bad word Leon. Don't you know that IRS is a bad word?

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             Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I just swallowed it, gone! Full apologies and a tip of the hat.

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    frogdroppingposted 15 years ago

    Leon HubPages is many things, depending on your objective.
    
    If you do intend to earn a passive income then with effort, time and a good business attitude, you'll begin to earn - more as time goes by. And there really isn't anything wrong with earning money from writing. A book author does exactly that.
    
    If all you wish to do is write and share - knowledge, opinion, advice. Or maybe you're here for creative writing and to improve upon your skills, you can do that also.
    
    Write short stories, write poetry, use Hubpages as a way to reach an audience for your particular style of writing. There are no rules that force you to write with an eye on the dollar.
    
    Going back to the money, no one will tell you what they earn. Not exactly anyway. Besides which, I'm not aware you can truly divulge what you earn. But many hubbers do earn a nice income from writing on HubPages.
    
    Each to their own. There are many many hubbers that write for the sheer pleasure of it. You won't be alone if that's what you choose to do

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       Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       How nicely put, thank you.

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    Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago

    phew that was a close one. oh by the way never said it in my post but Welcome to hbpages.

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       Leon O.posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hey, thanks Crazdwriter, thanks very much!

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    readytoescapeposted 15 years ago

    I earn here, not a lot, but each month it grows as traffic increases.  I post hubs to maintain a relatively safe environment to warehouse an example portfolio of styles and occasionally spout off. The portfolio has made earning real cash for writing a bit easier to obtain and garnered a few invitations to write as well as for some of my other endeavors.
    
    You use Hub Pages for your own applications. The price you pay for the service is the revenue sharing. Be grateful there are hubbers out there raking in enough traffic and  revenue to keep the site going so you can publish your "stuff" for free.

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    Maximus591posted 15 years ago

    The OP has a point.
    
    It's not unrealistic to know what potential earnings can be made through Hub Pages.
    
    And it's not helpful for the 'amateur wannabees' to go on the defensive when probed for how much they earn. Is being defensive a strategy designed to mask your shame because you've made virtually nothing?
    The bottom line is this : If you were a great writer you would not be writing here on HubPages. You really wouldn't.
    
    If the OP enquires as to the validity of using Hubpages as a viable source for earning a high income over and above a regular day job,  is it unreasonable for the OP to want to see some hard data that might support this?

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       frogdroppingposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hey Maximus - good to see you and I sit among equals

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          Maximus591posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          You may sit and grovel among equals, Frog spawn.
          
          I, clearly, transcend a more elevated path.

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             frogdroppingposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Well, it's good to know you and I are so different. I feel better already

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       rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       max is back.  I disagree with the line about great writers would not be here on HP. why not? not every great writer is published, and many that do get published are not great writers.
       HP has a number of very good, interesting writers.

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       Justine76posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       ha ha.....you said hard

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    sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago

    This a great community! I come here for fun and have alot of it! I've never made a dime and don't even know how, hell I can barely operate my computer! Remember a watched pot never boils. Now lighten up Francis and have fun and if you are you'll do well if money is your objective.

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    Rebecca E.posted 15 years ago

    Leon, Now normally I don't like to get into this, but this thread got my attention.  I wouldn't worry about money, it is hard to come by and for, me personally it took a few months to make a lot, but granted I have been online both on hubpages and here.
    Still I am here to write and to help.  These are my stated goals on hubpages.  If you go to teh topics section on hubpages you can choose from so many topics, many of them well done with good writing, which don't "make" much money.  It depends on the topics you choose toget into.  My main topics are writing and hubpages, and I find these two give me a strong sense of a powerful writing community.
    
    For what it is worth I with you all the success on hubapges.

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       Maximus591posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You see, on one level you think you are being helpful but you're not. Being helpful to the OP would be to declare what you mean by 'you made a lot'. Making a lot of what? And did this 'lot' feed you and your children (if you have any) for a whole year? You see, saying you made money is not helpful. You try to frame what you did and what you made within your own context. This is NOT what the OP wants.
       
       He wants hard data which frames information, in particular, potential earnings within a context that he can understand.
       
       I do wish this forum had more intelligent people.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah! So do I so why are you here? To do your best to intellectually bully people? Thats their opinion not yours, try and control yourself!

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          Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Funny how that feels, max. We keep wishing you were more intelligent. True intelligence doesn't need to put down to prove superiority. You seem to be a hair-trigger at your knee-jerk profundity and need to diminish another.
          
          Now that I've cleared my head of that...
          Welcome, Leon. All kinds here, as you can clearly see. Gifted writers, aspiring writers, novice, smart alec—all kinds. People who make good money people who don't care about making money.

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    readytoescapeposted 15 years ago

    Yes I have to agree, you’ve transcended BS into an indefinable life form

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       tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       He's only a poor deranged troll !
       

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    

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    myownworldposted 15 years ago

    (((( @ Misha! It's sooo hard, but I'm trying not to!)))

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       Justine76posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       i prefer teasing. 

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    gamergirlposted 15 years ago

    I have published very little in the last year, compared to my first year on the site.  However, last year I made enough to pay one month's worth of rent from Adsense alone, with no effort beyond hitting the publish button.
    
    Is that HARD EVIDENCE enough?
    
    Can we stop trying to milk actual numbers out of the site?  If people want to give up monthly statistics averages and reports as well as their activity breakdown and methods so you can emulate their fine work or know what not to do, without making the effort to learn such things for yourself with YOUR methods, then fine, they can do that.  I would suggest against belittling the rest of us who don't want to give out dollar amounts and write dissertations on our merits and failings as money collectors.
    
    When I'm not countering trolls on the forums, or writing for fun, I happen to think I'm a very good writer.  A bit heavy on the passive voice, but that is my biggest hurdle, really.  There are a great number of fantastic writers present on Hubpages.
    
    Until you're ready to pay me a salary for writing so that you can edit, critique and berate me for my writing's quality, why not save those happy fingers for writing hubs, which you can then monetize... or not!

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