Announcing Rojo, our community engagement platform!

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  1. HubPages profile imageSTAFF
    HubPagesposted 2 years ago

    We’re pleased to announce that our newest Arena Labs project, Rojo, is launching today! Rojo is a community platform where our users can discuss, engage with, and (eventually!) share the content that matters most to them. Our mission is to connect our audience to the biggest stories and trending topics across our network of lifestyle content and leverage the high volume of traffic across our sites to jumpstart a community.

    To start, Rojo will launch on news articles under PetHelpful, Dengarden, Delishably, and Exemplore. The articles will act as the top of the funnel to engage readers and then invite them to join in on the conversation on Rojo with prominent calls to action at the top and bottom of the article. From there, we aim to capture comments and facilitate engagement across our content.

    How It Works
        1. User lands on a news article headline and clicks “Join the conversation” or “Read # comments”.
        2. User is taken to Rojo platform.
        3. User creates a Rojo profile and is able to leave their own comments, reply to existing threads, like comments, and explore more news articles.

    In this first phase, our main goal is to capture text comments and see how we can facilitate conversation amongst our audience. Once we have an understanding of how users engage on the Rojo platform, we will invite users to also share their own images, videos, and content.

    1. Kenna McHugh profile image84
      Kenna McHughposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I look forward to seeing how this works.

    2. bravewarrior profile image86
      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm curious to see how this works. How do the "news articles" differ from the informative articles we write? Who writes the news articles?

    3. Kobby95 profile image81
      Kobby95posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds interesting. Let's see how it develops.

    4. bravewarrior profile image86
      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've been scrolling thru the site. One thing I notice, is there is no option to search for a topic within each tab. Wouldn't it be beneficial to give readers the means to search for a specific topic within each niche?

      1. Carb Diva profile image83
        Carb Divaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        That was my point. And, unless we (the author) are notified that there is a comment, once again we are left with an exercise that is of limited (if any) value. How is there "engagement" those who leave comments are a voice crying in the wilderness like John the Baptist?

      2. bravewarrior profile image86
        bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Delishably seems to contain articles written by Hubbers. As several have asked, are the authors notified of conversations? Or do the words fill an empty room?

        I'm on page 14 of PetHelpful. All the articles so far are TikTok posts. I did a search for the title of this article: Golden Retriever's Reaction to Life-Sized Stuffed Animal Is Downright Hilarious

        The very same post appears on Yahoo and Newsbreak, both by the same author. What is the purpose of TikTok posts on PetHelpful? Isn't the intent to get the readers to interact with HP authors?

        1. bravewarrior profile image86
          bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I've just been blocked from Rojo. This is the message I get:

          You have been blocked.
          Why? Something about the behaviour of the browser has caught our attention.

          There are various possible explanations for this:
          You are browsing and clicking at a speed much faster than expected of a human being.
          Something is preventing JavaScript from working on your computer.
          There is a robot on the same network (IP 71.43.243.146) as you.
          Having problems accessing the site? Submit feedback.
          ID: bacf103b-8071-0ce5-1d47-46e0c483734b

          1. janshares profile image84
            jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            roll

          2. bravewarrior profile image86
            bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Now that I've been blocked from Rojo using my work computer, I'll not be able to access it in the event we ARE notified of comments on our articles. sad

            1. Miebakagh57 profile image85
              Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              That's why I said that I don't get this Rojo thing.

          3. Matt Wells profile imageSTAFF
            Matt Wellsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            You should be unblocked now. Send an email to team@hubpages.com if you have any more issues.

            1. bravewarrior profile image86
              bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Thanks, Matt. I now have access again.

        2. Solaras profile image83
          Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          This has been a complaint of mine and Eric's as well.  The "News" articles are not news at all.  They are low quality clickbait articles that link to TikTok. 

          They are designed to lure people to subscribe to receive notifications of more hilarious, heart melting articles that summarize a TikTok video. On occasion there is a link to an HP article, but mostly the PH News is for the betterment of the Arena Group's revenue stream.

          1. SerenityHalo profile image85
            SerenityHaloposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Agreed.

    5. OldRoses profile image65
      OldRosesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      How will this benefit HubPages authors?  Maybe I am reading it wrong, but it sounds to me like competition AGAINST our articles.

      1. Solaras profile image83
        Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Exactly.  It is to encourage people to subscribe to the news articles, written by staff, with no trailing commissions (i.e. ongoing payment for pageviews years into the future).

      2. HubPages profile imageSTAFF
        HubPagesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        While it's early in the testing phase, our hope is that Rojo will provide an improved commenting experience for readers and become a source of traffic for authors by offering an easy way for audiences to discover evergreen content on our sites.

        We hope to enable Rojo commenting and feeds on other evergreen (non-news) HubPages sites in the future, but we have not yet determined a timeline for this.

    6. profile image77
      KC McGeeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I would be truly greatfull if HubPages would bring back the ability for users to comment on Articles again. That's what I'm waiting for.

      1. OldRoses profile image65
        OldRosesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Me too!  You wouldn't believe the number of gardening questions I used to get.

        1. Carb Diva profile image83
          Carb Divaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I built a weekly series around receiving comments (questions). When comments went away my column met a cruel, untimely death.

          1. OldRoses profile image65
            OldRosesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I'm so sorry to hear that.  That's the kind of thing that TAG doesn't take into consideration when they make changes.  It seems like the more changes they make, the more we suffer.

            1. Solaras profile image83
              Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I would say that removing the direct connection between writers and consumers by removing comments was intentional.  And now we can see why.

              TAG wants the connection to be with TAG and Rojo, not between the writers and the consumers.  It's a matter of who "owns" the reader.  They are not looking to build a community between authors and readers, but between TAG and the reader.

              1. Matt Wells profile imageSTAFF
                Matt Wellsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Some Network Sites have comments and some don't. We are working on enabling comments on all Network Sites.

                1. Solaras profile image83
                  Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Okay, I am wrong.  Thanks for the reply.

                2. AliciaC profile image95
                  AliciaCposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Are we going to be notified that a comment has been posted on an article or have an easy way to find out, such as a comments page?

                  1. HubPages profile imageSTAFF
                    HubPagesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Authors aren't notified at this time, but that's a feature we're interested in adding.

                  2. cam8510 profile image93
                    cam8510posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    I hope so.

          2. alexadry profile image92
            alexadryposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Same here! Many times peoples' comments prompted me to write articles on questions they asked which increased productivity and overall readership.

            It would be nice to have something like Quora where readers can ask questions and we can engage with them and link to our articles to go more in depth, or like Quora spaces where we can share nuggets of info, pictures and articles and interact with readers.

            I am sure something powerful can come out by creating something similar to Quora or Reddit communities.

      2. cam8510 profile image93
        cam8510posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Since HP virtually cut out comments, I stopped writing here. Nothing is more unsatisfying than no feedback or communication with readers. I have written articles that brought in questions that helped me improve the articles. We need open communication between writers and readers.

        1. bravewarrior profile image86
          bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Amen, Chris!

      3. Thelma Alberts profile image83
        Thelma Albertsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Me too. I always loved to read and answer the comments I got. I hope the comment section will be back soon.

    7. SerenityHalo profile image85
      SerenityHaloposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      “ leverage the high volume of traffic across our sites to jumpstart a community.”

      This makes me skeptical. We can use Semrush to check traffic, which has been in serious decline since Fall.

      I'm not sure how Rojo benefits writers when it's more aimed at the "news" features, which aren't really news but trendy TikToks and the like. We've become a machine for TikTok.

      I would like to see a better plan than this to benefit existing writers and not just Arena. Perhaps something great will come out of this experiment, but I'm not holding my breath. There really needs to be better communication with Arena and the writers. These tactics are giving credence to other users' ideas that Arena is just in it for themselves.

      1. Solaras profile image83
        Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Exactly.

        And why would we be a machine for TikTok.  I have looked at a number of the News articles on PH and they are ALL TikTok videos, as if it were they only video platform on the planet.

    8. cam8510 profile image93
      cam8510posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I will be watching to see how this works out.

    9. chef-de-jour profile image80
      chef-de-jourposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Arena Labs project? I have an image of scientists in white coats near bunsen burners busily filling test tubes with word material, seeking elusive workable chemistry.
      Tentative interest, but the elephant in the chemistry lab still remains. How many more experiments waiting in the wings?

      1. SerenityHalo profile image85
        SerenityHaloposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        The corporate speak for this PR-like release is pretty bad. It comes off as inauthentic, especially when traffic and earnings have been declining for everyone.

        What would be better is for someone to come onto the forums and give us honest updates, a realistic overview of what's happening, and some leadership. We've had one update like that, and it had the ominous phrase along the lines of "it will take a few months" to get traffic back. A few months isn't a set timeframe. The company keeps leaving us with open-ended responses rather than concrete information. Sit around and hope isn't something a lot of people can afford.

        What I want are honest updates, quarter reviews, tangible goals, and methods to improve authority scores and get back in the good graces of Google. Until I start seeing traffic and earnings at levels before September 2022, I'm not satisfied. Honestly, I'd like to get back to the levels of 2017-2019.

        Rojo seems like an experiment that has a lot of kinks to fix. Its initial focus on "news" is questionable.

    10. Souther29 profile image83
      Souther29posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting I guess we’ll hear more soon smile

    11. profile image30
      austenj962posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      looks interesting

    12. Cloverleaf profile image81
      Cloverleafposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds great! I'm looking forward to seeing it in action.

    13. Alessio Ganci profile image71
      Alessio Ganciposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rojo seems interesting, and I can't wait to see it on every article. It seems a very useful place to connect readers with writers. I'd like to give some suggestions I think would make Rojo even more appealing to occasional readers;

      - enabling a social network login (so that people can comment with their Google, FB, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, LinkedIn account)

      - showing the avatar of the commenter (corresponding to the picture of the social network profile, or to a manually uploaded picture)

      - creating profiles for the commenters, that also show the past comments

      I think these suggestions may complete Rojo, making it the real alternative to what comments were before. I hope you like them.

      1. bravewarrior profile image86
        bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Alessio, although your suggestions are new-age, they're not in keeping with the commenting style we had before they were disabled a few years ago. Not everyone has a social media profile and not everyone who comments has an avatar. I think KISS (keep it simple, stupid) is the way to go. The new commenting system is a bit more complex than what we had previously, so don't make it more difficult than it needs to be.

    14. Venkatachari M profile image92
      Venkatachari Mposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      I posted a comment using Rojo platform on Soapboxie network site just now. Is it accessible to all readers of that article?

      1. Miebakagh57 profile image85
        Miebakagh57posted 19 months agoin reply to this

        That's for hubpages to answer.

        1. Venkatachari M profile image92
          Venkatachari Mposted 19 months agoin reply to this

          I expected some reply from HP staff. But what I think is whoever wants to comment on the article itself can login to the Rojo platform at the bottom of that article and comment there itself.

          1. Miebakagh57 profile image85
            Miebakagh57posted 19 months agoin reply to this

            You're welcome.

      2. Shesabutterfly profile image69
        Shesabutterflyposted 19 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, anyone can read them if they click through to Rojo. You only need to log in if you want to write a comment.

  2. Glenn Stok profile image68
    Glenn Stokposted 2 years ago

    This sounds very interesting and could have enormous reader engagement value. I look forward to seeing how it progresses.

  3. ravirajan01 profile image80
    ravirajan01posted 2 years ago

    This sounds interesting and has a huge potential. I will be watching this space to see how it progresses.

  4. Carb Diva profile image83
    Carb Divaposted 2 years ago

    Once on Rojo, one should be able to search for a topic of interest rather than simply the articles Arena has chosen.

  5. Jodah profile image86
    Jodahposted 2 years ago

    It sounds like an interesting innovation. Be interesting to see how it progresses.

  6. EricDockett profile image84
    EricDockettposted 2 years ago

    I see some of the first comments trickling in on PetHelpful. I have to admit I am a little confused.

    Can you give a practical example of what we, as writers, are supposed to do with this?

    Will our articles have links to comment sections like the news "articles"? If so, will we be notified when people leave comments?

    Would we need to create new profiles to participate in the discussions? There seem to be no links to a profile when you click on the user name in the comments. The inability to send a reader to our author profile if we participate in a discussion seems like a missed opportunity.

  7. ravirajan01 profile image80
    ravirajan01posted 2 years ago

    I just looked at the beta site link given, and it seems along the lines of Reddit, where we have various subreddits for various topics with each of the subreddits having the capability for conversations and chats. I am guessing that as Rojo develops, writers will have options to post their links or a summary of their contents to initiate discussions.

  8. janshares profile image84
    jansharesposted 2 years ago

    Very interesting. Will this replace the forums, eventually? Will this be for HP readers only or open to public readers?

    1. ChitrangadaSharan profile image88
      ChitrangadaSharanposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly my questions--
      Will it replace the forums? If so, that will be disappointing indeed!
      Will it be limited to HP members or open for others too?

    2. HubPages profile imageSTAFF
      HubPagesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rojo is not meant to replace the forums. It's meant to be more like a feed where audiences can find new articles to read and comment on them.

      1. ChitrangadaSharan profile image88
        ChitrangadaSharanposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you HP for the clarification!

      2. janshares profile image84
        jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Okay, thanks.

  9. FatFreddysCat profile image59
    FatFreddysCatposted 2 years ago

    Ummm...okay (shrugs).

    I have very little material on any of the sites mentioned, soooo... wake me when this gets to Spinditty, I guess.

    1. HubPages profile imageSTAFF
      HubPagesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rojo is currently enabled on news articles under PetHelpful, Dengarden, and Exemplore. On Delishably, Rojo is enabled for evergreen (non-news) articles written by HubPages community authors.

      Once we have an idea of the general response to this initial testing phase, we will work on expanding Rojo to evergreen content on other Network Sites.

  10. Miebakagh57 profile image85
    Miebakagh57posted 2 years ago

    OMG, I'm confused...seems rojo is to replace the forum later?

  11. PaulGoodman67 profile image68
    PaulGoodman67posted 2 years ago

    This sounds interesting. I am pleased to see HP trying something new.

    Although others seem to see Rojo as a replacement for the forums, my initial reaction is that it's more about reacting to the "fresh content" changes that Google brought in and the site has been struggling with.

    I've not tried Rojo out yet though, so it's just idle speculation.

    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image68
      PaulGoodman67posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The old HP linking strategy wasn't working well anymore either, as far as SEO goes, it's definitely time to try something new.

  12. Rupert Taylor profile image84
    Rupert Taylorposted 2 years ago

    I'm probably misunderstanding this, I usually do when something is written in corporate-speak, but it seems Rojo is set up encourage comments and dialogue.

    The central question then is, who moderates the comments? Or, is there no moderation?

    If there is no moderation then, inevitably, it will degenerate into a slugfest among trolls who seek to out-gross one another. Can't wait.

    1. Matt Wells profile imageSTAFF
      Matt Wellsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      With the help of spam filters, the moderation team moderates the comments in Rojo. If you are ever concerned about a particular comment, please flag it for further review by clicking “Report” and selecting your reason for reporting.

      1. Carb Diva profile image83
        Carb Divaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        But how will we know if there are comments? I have roughly 300 articles in Delishably. I can't check each one.

        1. Kenna McHugh profile image84
          Kenna McHughposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Same here; I am happy to see two of my niches in the launch, but I can't monitor comments with ease, which is disconcerting.

  13. Solaras profile image83
    Solarasposted 2 years ago

    I looked through a few of the Delishably articles that are on Rojo. Some don't seem to have been edited by staff. One has a title with the words out of order.  Some are missing steps in the recipe instructions.  One recipe article is a bio of a well regarded chef, photos of some herbs, with brief descriptions of the flavor of the herb, but the actual recipe is a link to Food Network.

    Content on most of them is thin, and would not get ranked by Google.  Google appears to have a penchant for longwinded recipes, with the history of the foods they will eventually get around telling you how to cook.

    Freshness seems to be the only qualifying attribute for inclusion in the Rojo lineup.

  14. Kierstin Gunsberg profile image71
    Kierstin Gunsbergposted 2 years ago

    To everyone wondering what this is supposed to replace, Rojo doesn't seem like a way to replace comments (which I don't think we're getting back), these forums, or really anything.
    It looks like a way to best utilize the platforms that users are engaging with.

    There are entire demographics that HubPages no longer serves by simply relying on SEO within Google. Plainly put, a lot of users don't consume content by searching for it anymore. Instead, they let the content come to them through personalized algorithms (again, not within Google's search engine) and Rojo seems to be a way to get us into those algos.

    1. Kenna McHugh profile image84
      Kenna McHughposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes. This is true. I am looking forward to seeing how Rojo harnesses this strategy.

    2. PaulGoodman67 profile image68
      PaulGoodman67posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I agree.

      Though I do think that SEO plays some part too. Google updates regarding freshness and linking strategies screwed us. The addition of news to the niches plus editing everything hasn't fixed the problems created.

      In the old days, we could just publish articles and more or less let them sit there. A more dynamic approach is needed now.

      That's my two cents worth anyway... I certainly agree that it's more ambitious and radical than seeking just to replace the forums or comments.

      1. Solaras profile image83
        Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        The "News" on PH is not news. It is substantially duplicate content from TikTok.  As such, it is standing on the throat of the rest of the site. It is also LOADED with slow loading ads and clickbait articles.

        Really, you should check out one of these PetNews articles. I was there earlier today and was stunned by the page leaping and hopping up and down as various ads populated, then were replaced by ads of different dimensions. The page was jiggling content up and down (actually ad on top of ad without content in between them). But you will have to be patient for the ads to populate the article.

        1. Shesabutterfly profile image69
          Shesabutterflyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I was never impressed with Pethelpful's "news". I checked out 3 news articles on Rojo for Dengarden, the commenters were not impressed with the content. Although for news, I'm sure it doesn't matter as there are plenty of people looking for a quick internet sensation blub it seems like.

          Despite that, I hope HP considers taking down the negativity. It will not look good for the site as a whole.

    3. Solaras profile image83
      Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't really understand trying to build Rojo from scratch.,

      TAG is a mergers and acquisitions company.  Why not merge or absorb an existing platform like Reddit?

  15. AliciaC profile image95
    AliciaCposted 2 years ago

    This is an interesting development. I’m reserving judgement until I see how the plan develops. Rojo must have benefits for writers as well as TAG in order to be useful.

    I agree that social media posts in which the writer describes a post and its comments that have already been published on social media seem pointless. The PetHelpful ones seem to be popular with the public, though. I hope the company is planning to use this popularity for our benefit and TAG’s within Rojo (or outside of it) in the very near future.

  16. Solaras profile image83
    Solarasposted 2 years ago

    The original concept and pitch from Maven was that we could not rely on social media platforms or Google for that matter to sustain viewership.

    They cited Little Things as an example.  Their company was ruined in a month by an algo change on Facebook.

    Maven and its network of sites was going to be as big as the New York Times website and as trusted. People would enter the Maven eco system and remain there for all of their information needs, as a trusted resource.

    Seems to me Rojo is going to be a social media platform. Unfortunately, for some reason they have chosen to focus the PetHelpful niche site's future on the so called news section, rather than Andrienne or Dr. Mark's informational articles. 

    PetHelpful was one of the most successful niche sites.  Those of us who write there have seen a 75% decline in pageviews, which really accelerated with the daily posting of 2-10 TikTok reviews a day to the site.  They are promoting it further with Rojo, so that must be earning good money for TAG or they would not double down on it. Maybe TikTok is paying TAG to link over and deliver potential new TikTok users IDK.

    As Rojo stands right now, I don't see anyway that it could benefit me as a PH writer.  Delishably authors may be helped by Rojo.

  17. EricDockett profile image84
    EricDockettposted 2 years ago

    I saw on at least one Delishably recipe where someone had asked a question on Rojo. Presumably, that reader is expecting the author to read the question and give an answer.

    Unfortunately, without any kind of notification system, that author might have no idea the question exists. If they do find out, they'll have to sign up for this new service just to reply.

    You say we can flag questionable comments, but how would we even know they exist? I have nearly 500 total articles here. How can I monitor every one of them for jerky comments without a notification system?

    It is bad enough we have to endure negativity around the web from time to time, but that is the nature of the internet. That shouldn't happen on HubPages itself. We should have some control over what is said about us within the HP ecosystem.

    1. Glenn Stok profile image68
      Glenn Stokposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, you made some important points that TAG needs to understand. Unfortunately, I see that they haven’t thought this through well enough.

      When people make an effort to sign up so they can ask a question, and then never receive an answer from the author, they will be discouraged from ever considering articles from TAG again. That process could gradually destroy any potential success.

      In addition, in the past, when we had the old comment system on HubPages, I often deleted comments that would negatively affect SEO. Without the ability to moderate comments, Rojo is headed to the same problems we had in the past.

      1. janshares profile image84
        jansharesposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Excellent points, Glenn and Eric.

      2. eugbug profile image68
        eugbugposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Is there no code or API for generating email notifications? I guess it's not that simple though.

      3. Kenna McHugh profile image84
        Kenna McHughposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Glen, I hope HP jumps on the situation and remedies it fast.

      4. bravewarrior profile image86
        bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I absolutely agree, Eric and Glenn. Why would anyone return to a site that has unresponsive authors? It takes at least two to have a conversation. Rojo's landing page invites the reader to join the conversation. Ummmm.... okay...

        Setting aside your concerns regarding the inability to monitor comments, we won't know they're there unless we receive notification just as we did under the previous versions of HP.

        This needs to be remedied ASAP or the entire experiment is a fail.

        Additionally, there currently is no Search option in the four tabs. No way to  search for a particular topic or recipe. You have to scroll page after page after multitudinous pages. That's a huge turnoff. People turn to the internet for quick answers or solutions. For those who have all day to do nothing but surf, there's YouTube.

        1. SerenityHalo profile image85
          SerenityHaloposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I agree that it's problematic that there isn't a search function. I don't normally go Internet surfing for a random recipe. I usually have something in mind. Even if it's just as simple as trying to find a chicken recipe for dinner.

          The comments situation is also concerning. We need notifications and the ability to delete bad/weird/inappropriate comments. Always reporting this stuff to staff isn't the solution.

    2. Carb Diva profile image83
      Carb Divaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You've stated it perfectly. The Staff is "pleased to announce..." this "amazing" tool that they hope we will be stupid enough to jump up and down for. Do they think this will appease us after 3+ years of being without comments? Is this what they have been putting all of their efforts into? Writers who use Medium (I am one of them) have a perfect system of notification and commenting. Why re-invent the wheel?

  18. Rupert Taylor profile image84
    Rupert Taylorposted 2 years ago

    It's interesting to see how this thread has, in two days, gone from "This sounds interesting" to a litany of complaints about inherent problems.

    The big issue is notification of comments. If there is no such facility, the Rojo thing is useless. As others have noted, writers with hundreds of articles cannot possibly trawl through them on the off chance there's a comment.

    With more than 900 articles, I won't even bother trying to find comments. I suspect a lot of other writers will adopt the same approach. As Shauna noted "If the authors aren't notified of comments, there really is no conversation ...?

    1. Kenna McHugh profile image84
      Kenna McHughposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am optimistic about Rojo. I am sure HP will adjust it accordingly. Also, I have noticed HP staff posting more in the forums now, answering our concerns and questions — another good sign.

  19. bhattuc profile image81
    bhattucposted 2 years ago

    Interesting.

  20. Miebakagh57 profile image85
    Miebakagh57posted 2 years ago

    Why didn't hubpages discussed the challenge with us writers before hand for our inputs?

  21. Shesabutterfly profile image69
    Shesabutterflyposted 2 years ago

    I noticed all my Delishably comments from years past have all been added to the Rojo platform. If I sign up, will my Delishably articles continue to show the total comments, or will it zero out (knowing I've read them) and say "join the conversation" like other articles that do not have any comments yet?

    I'm not looking to sign up for yet another platform, if I can't manage it. There is no way I can go through each article looking for new comments. We really need a notification system of some kind, if this platform is going to work and connect readers to authors (or have any form of "conversation amongst audiences").

  22. Rupert Taylor profile image84
    Rupert Taylorposted 2 years ago

    This week's newsletter contains the following statement - "Authors aren't notified at this time, but that's a feature we're interested in adding." There's a nebulous statement - "we're interested in adding."

    When you've stopped being interested and have actually added notification let me know. Until then, count me out.

  23. Solaras profile image83
    Solarasposted 2 years ago

    Folks seem to be concerned that comments will be placed on their Rojo listed articles; and they will not be notified of said comments, therefore consumers will go away frustrated. Perhaps forever.

    Pethelpful, Dengarden, and Exemplore appear to be NEWS exclusively, as promised by staff, and are apparently written by staff.  So no need to worry; your articles are not being shared on Rojo, only HP staff articles are on the Rojo platform for these niche sites.  Probably they have a way to easily check for comments, and we are invited join in and create more buzz, by commenting on these TikTok articles.  No profit to be had by you or me, but who cares. It's great fun to be had by all hubbers.  And great revenue to be had by HP!

    Delishably is a horse of a different color.  Recipes really need happy "stars" to get people to click on them and read through the recipe.  I don't know if freshness is the only criterion, or if it is only the most industrious hubbers of the last few months who get a mention there.  Someone posted that her old comments were on Rojo, and I'd like to know more about that. They must be 3 years old+  and not part of Rojo, but a scheme to suggest people are commenting there.

    1. Shesabutterfly profile image69
      Shesabutterflyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Like Carb Diva said the number of comments appears at the top of the article below the title.

      You click on it and it takes you to Rojo where you can like and share previous comments or write your own. Over 100pgs later I finally found one of my articles. They are definitely on Rojo, not that it means much.

      Most of my comments are over 10 yrs old. I checked them all, but nothing new or fresh going on and I won't be checking again, unless I get notified (which I doubt happens).

      Without a search function, I'm not surprised there are no new comments. Those that do not write new content are never going to be found on Rojo. From what I can tell new articles go up, which will only push the current ones farther down the list. I'd have to rely on search engine traffic readers to click through to the comments from Delishably and then sign up. Not something I see readers doing.

      Most people do not scroll past page 4 or 5 of Google, who is going to scroll through infinite pages of unorganized recipes and food related articles?

      1. bravewarrior profile image86
        bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Excellent points. I scrolled through twenty or so pages before I found one of my Delishably articles. I think this Rojo "experiment" is a huge fail. Add a search bar and notify the authors and readers when comments are made and maybe, just maybe, there might be a viable purpose to implementing this not-very-well-thought-out addition.

        1. Miebakagh57 profile image85
          Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I agreed completely.

        2. Shesabutterfly profile image69
          Shesabutterflyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Agreed. It has the same problems as the comment software they implemented a few years back. When a new system is launched that has the same issues that many writers already voiced, it comes across as those capabilities are yet again not an option, or a high priority. Both of which are not good when the main goal is to increase conversation and traffic across the sites.

          It would be nice if an experiment would be complete and ready for use, and not have vital pieces missing. I don't know that Rojo in its current state is any better than what they first implemented, except for the fact that it is much easier to find on an article. Although that does not matter if authors can't easily reply and keep a discussion going.

      2. Solaras profile image83
        Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Whatever they are doing on Delishably is quite different from the Pethelpful, Dengarden and Exemploe tiktok feeds. Those are currently HP Staff ecosystems, with the occasional link to a related article. Some just link to other tiktok news/reviews.

        The Delishably Rojo is ridiculous.  When I look for a recipe online, I go to the comments right after ingredients to see if people liked it, and what changes they felt improved the recipe.  Having to click on the link to comments, and wait 45 seconds, cause I have a slow computer, is beyond cumbersome.  The disorganized, endless stream of unrelated recipes is just weird, like infinite lost souls milling around the underworld.

        Also, I have enough extra work to do to get past captchas etc online, to sign up for a new service to comment on a recipe.  I don't want anything else cluttering up my inboxes. I don't think they will be able to strongarm readers into signup just to comment. 

        And removing the comments from the article has to hurt the recipe in Google's eyes. So why did they do it? Apparently they have been working on this for 7 months+ if comments were added via Rojo that long ago. Seems like a lot of resources have gone into this experiment, while Rome has been burning to the ground. I'd rather have seen those programing dollars used to speed up the load of images and ads on the sites. That would make Google happier.

        1. Shesabutterfly profile image69
          Shesabutterflyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I'm assuming the 7+ month comment came from their previous comment system not Rojo. Delishably was one of the niches that had the "new" still unusable comment system they launched a few yrs back.

          Either way, I agree they could have spent their time making the site better via fixing layout and load times. We authors cannot benefit financially from Rojo, and with the inability to use it with ease there is no incentive for us to make it work.

          I do the same, and not being able to find those comments easily is a huge turn off. The Q&A is still available on our pages, it's unfortunate readers have to leave to read comments.

          1. bravewarrior profile image86
            bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Cholee, that's my assumption as well regarding the 7 month old comment.

            I agree that readers should not be prompted to leave the page in order to read/post comments. Won't that affect bounce rates in a negative way? And why on earth would HP/Arena think segregating comments from content is a good thing? That's the most ridiculous, illogical thing I've ever heard!

            1. Solaras profile image83
              Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, i think it will affect bounce rates and funnel people out of the niche site and into the Rojo maze.  Which may be the purpose of the comments being removed to another realm.

              1. bravewarrior profile image86
                bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                The question is: do we earn from readers going to Rojo? And if so, how? There are no ads on the comment pages. Do views count?

        2. bravewarrior profile image86
          bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I don't know if the fact that I have a new comment from 7 months ago indicates that's how long Rojo has been in the works. The current commenting system that's in place is useless because the author isn't notified of new comments. That's why I didn't know I had a new reader 7 months ago. Rojo presents the same problem.

  24. Carb Diva profile image83
    Carb Divaposted 2 years ago

    Actually, today I happened to look at one of my old articles in Delishably, and at the very top of the page it showed "21 comments." They were old comments, and appeared under Rojo.

  25. Brenda Arledge profile image80
    Brenda Arledgeposted 2 years ago

    Sorry...but without the ability to know when a comment is made...it is needless to say that this is useless.


    Plus...making others join to lesve a comment will not work.  My readers only want to read and leave their feedback.

  26. Jodah profile image86
    Jodahposted 2 years ago

    The way it is looking, I can't see this being a successful experiment.

  27. Miebakagh57 profile image85
    Miebakagh57posted 2 years ago

    How come we're ruminating herein about the comment question? What's Rojo then? Methinks we can do well without the Rojo baby.                                   I still asserted that if HubPages had throw open the rojo challenge before us, to get our inputs, it would be a happy ending.                                  Critically, things wouldn't turn out as expect if one take the various voices into account. Happy day everyone!

  28. eugbug profile image68
    eugbugposted 2 years ago

    The Rojo button at the top and bottom of articles shows the number of comments. Could it be coded to change color or include an icon such as a dot when there are new comments?

    1. bravewarrior profile image86
      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You'd still have to check each article regularly, Eugene. I think the notification system such as we had before the first of HP's buyout/mergers is the logical solution.

      1. eugbug profile image68
        eugbugposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I know, but it would be better than nothing. Also if the button text updates to show the number of comments, why can't code be run to send out emails?

        1. bravewarrior profile image86
          bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I just went into my account and hit the filter button to show my Delishably articles. When I clicked on my Philly Cheesesteak title, there's a huge "read 101 comments" button with a red dot on the dialog icon just beneath the title. When I did that, I was taken to the comments (where incidentally I discovered a comment that was made 7 months ago unbeknownst to me) in Rojo. I hit reply to leave my own comment and an access code was sent to my inbox. Entered it and left my comment. It looks weird tho, because all you see are the comments. It took me a bit to see that there's a "read article" button in the upper left hand corner of the page. Kind of a backwards way of doing things, I think.

          That said, until Rojo gets its shinola together, that is an easier way for us to check for comments on the articles that are taken to the Rojo site when read from the original niche site.

          Incidentally, the comments no longer appear on the original article. The only way to read them is to click on the button that appears at the top and bottom of the article.

          Clear as mud?

          1. EricDockett profile image84
            EricDockettposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know how smart it is to remove comments from the main article. Some articles--especially older ones with a lot of comments--are likely pulling a certain amount of search traffic for content that appears in the comments. By removing them, some articles may see a drop in traffic.

            1. bravewarrior profile image86
              bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I agree with you, Eric. As the saying goes, "if it ain't broken, don't fix it". Most of the changes we've seen over the past few years have resulted in many broken parts to our once smoothly running vessel.

            2. Solaras profile image83
              Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Exactly.

          2. Kenna McHugh profile image84
            Kenna McHughposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            How do you find these?

            1. bravewarrior profile image86
              bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Kenna, on your Articles Stats page, there's a small "filters" option underneath the word Statistics on the left. Click on that and choose which niche site(s) you want to see. Only the articles that are on those sites will appear.

            2. Miebakagh57 profile image85
              Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I"m wondering too.

          3. Miebakagh57 profile image85
            Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            That's your thought. Many here can hardly bought that? Thanks.

            1. bravewarrior profile image86
              bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              It's not a thought, Miebakagh. It's information I discovered through my poking around. Thought I'd share.

              1. Miebakagh57 profile image85
                Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Bravewarrior, this my response is coming late on my endside.                                    Forgive me for sayying its a thought. Anyway, thanks for the 'information'.

      2. Carb Diva profile image83
        Carb Divaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Once upon a time, the number of comments for each article were displayed along with the other statistics on our page (dashboard). That column was removed when comments went away. Perhaps it could be reinstated, and would change from black to red when there was activity?

        1. bravewarrior profile image86
          bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Linda, the list of articles on my homepage still reflect the number of comments for each. I like your idea. Notification would still be better IMO, as it would save valuable time.

          1. Carb Diva profile image83
            Carb Divaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I don't understand. I don't see comments anywhere.

            https://hubstatic.com/16363232.jpg

            1. Solaras profile image83
              Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I don't have a comments column either.

              1. bravewarrior profile image86
                bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Don't look at your Stats page. Look at your profile page. That's what readers see when they check you out. The number of comments still shows to the right of each title.

            2. bravewarrior profile image86
              bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Look on your profile page. That's where readers learn about you. The list of articles still shows the number of comments for each.

  29. eugbug profile image68
    eugbugposted 2 years ago

    Maybe staff could explain why code can't send notifications so that we can brainstorm workarounds. Like I said before, if the button text updates why can't a notification be sent?

  30. Miebakagh57 profile image85
    Miebakagh57posted 2 years ago

    I don't understand. We're still discusing the comment challdnges.                                  Hubpages, seems to think that if we easily jump in for 'Rojo' then we'll forget the comment button system before the Maven-HubPages merger. But that's far from happening.                             Coincidentally, for the past 12 months or so, no old sea dog here has worried about the  commenting system,  except new writers who wants to comment on seniors' articles.

  31. Solaras profile image83
    Solarasposted 2 years ago

    DenGarden does not look very promising. After checking for comments on 30 random articles, they all contained zero comments.

    I went back to page 10, and found a few with comments that were either dismissive of the tiktok Woman Does Something reviews, or they were down right contemptuous of the DIY tiktok video. 

    One woman admonished others to say nothing, if they could not say anything nice at all.  LOL perhaps that's  why people stopped commenting.

    1. Shesabutterfly profile image69
      Shesabutterflyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I wonder if the lack of constructive comments is why they changed Delishably's page (or there is a major glitch)?

      Now you scroll indefinitely through articles that all look like they have a bunch of comments. If you click the comment button it says page not found. You have to click the title, and then all the old comments from years ago pop up.

      Before it was posting like the news pages. I preferred the old look.

      Edit: I just realized it is all the comment buttons that no longer work, not just Delishably. I'm also seeing infinite scrolling for all of them. Not sure if this is the new look, an issue with my phone, or a problem with their system.

      1. Miebakagh57 profile image85
        Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Que bono?

      2. Solaras profile image83
        Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Delishably was different from PetHelpful, DenGarden and Exemplore from the start.  So I am not sure what is happening over there.  The Pethelpful thing pisses me off so much I won't look at it.

        1. Shesabutterfly profile image69
          Shesabutterflyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I know it is different content wise. The page set up is uniform across the site tabs though. Which is what I am also noticing with this new set up or glitch (still not sure which one it is).

  32. Nell Rose profile image86
    Nell Roseposted 2 years ago

    Okay, I am confused. Where do I see this? I tried looking on articles or the actual sites and just can't see it, lol. sorry!

    1. Matt Wells profile imageSTAFF
      Matt Wellsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rojo is currently enabled on Delishably, Pethelpful News, Exemplore News, and Dengarden News. We will eventually add more sites. Try visiting an article on Delishably and click the Join the Conversation or Read Comments button underneath the title of the article.

      1. Nell Rose profile image86
        Nell Roseposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you! I will go take another look smile

      2. Matt Wells profile imageSTAFF
        Matt Wellsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Rojo is now live on Soapboxie.

        1. Miebakagh57 profile image85
          Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Welcome baby Rojo.  Have a nice time anyway.

          1. Solaras profile image83
            Solarasposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            LOL

  33. Carb Diva profile image83
    Carb Divaposted 2 years ago

    At the top of the article (mine are in Delishably) you should see a button that says "Join the Conversation."

    1. Nell Rose profile image86
      Nell Roseposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Carb Diva, I will go and look.

  34. eugbug profile image68
    eugbugposted 2 years ago

    Why is the Rojo button at the top of articles instead of the bottom?

    1. bravewarrior profile image86
      bravewarriorposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Great question, Eugene!

  35. Miebakagh57 profile image85
    Miebakagh57posted 2 years ago

    I think that is a distraction.

 
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