There are tons of hubs on keyword selection and the various tools one could use to make the process easier.
But, like most things 'net - they are mostly copies of copies of copies or poorly strewn together theories by intermediate writer-marketers ..
So I ask... what was truly masterful, what made you go, "ooh, now I get it" ..and your earnings jumped with your realization?
Please share, what helped the most about the hub/hubber
..Easy to understand language?
Didnt learn from one person in particular as i just scoured the forums and hubs to find my advice but i must say that if im going to single anyone out that has contributed to my sucess then i would say Nelle Hoxie.
Personally I spent the better part of 2 weeks, from sunup to sundown researching, asking questions, reading, studying etc until I just recently had a good grasp on it...After way too many "unpaid" hours of working :p
I really hate mentioning another site, because I love Hubpages. The blog over at Infobarrel has an interview with a guy that has 400 and some articles and earns $3000 a month. He has some good stuff that I hadn't heard before. Here is the link www.infobarrel.com/blog/ He really has SEO down.
Most of what I learnt was trial and error and small things I picked up from a whole lot of hubs.
However Susanna S and Darkside have some good, easy to understand stuff.
Darkside is a really good hubber to ask for that kind of advice. They are extremely knowledgeable.
Chuck is another good one to ask or check out.
I've read all of Peter Hoggans ones that he has listed on his profile page - http://hubpages.com/profile/Peter+Hoggan they are related to seo and others are spot on, twas good reading!! and I enjoyed reading it as it was like a course and I think it was! jolly good stuff!
I have a list of hubbers that helped me with keywords like:
All of them had different ways to explain about keywords and how to make money with them. There were times I had to learn on my own but these hubbers gave me some great tips and I want to say thank you.. Really appreciate it..
This may sound harsh, but my purpose is to make my small contribution to fixing the issue of poor keyword selection methods.
You showed your traffic stats in an earlier thread, unfortunately, they do not reflect that you have absorbed keyword research methods, Im trying to figure out how this happens and what makes people go "ding"..now I get it!"
I dont think your at that point, quite yet. All great writers in your list though and certainly it will all kick into place soon.
I am still learning at keywords but I will say that since I have "absorbed" a few methods my traffic and earnings have increased. I always complete researches before I write a hub and that is the reason why my traffic is increasing. I might not be the "expert" at keywords but I feel I am on the right track.. There are still some things I am working on as far as keywords to increase my traffic. I also found out that you can have the best keywords and still don't have any traffic.. It takes time.. Thanks for your reply..
"I also found out that you can have the best keywords and still don't have any traffic"
Then your definition of "best" is far different then my own.
Maybe, that is something that is something worth examining - what does "best/good/conquerable" keyword mean?
But, I wish you all the best and didnt want you to feel as if I was jumping on you.It looks likes your efforts are all working out for you.
Im just looking for those who clearly crossed the line to try and recognize how they crossed the line so maybe we can share it around to others. Its a shame when people put tons of effort (years even) into their work only to get the same returns that someone keyed into proper keyword selection within a week.
Sunforged, it's ok and you are absolutely right when it comes to the comparison of the ones that put a lot into keyword research and the ones that don't that seem to get ahead easily. It seems a bit unfair and almost like cheating but hey it isn't about that.
Unfortunately, the combined portfolio of the suggested hubbers numbers in the thousands ..
so apparently, no "specific" hub has saved a spot in your minds?
So for Hubbers I have:
(many of these have written on SEO topics..but specifically KEYWORD selection? .. at a level that made you go "ooh, now I get it"?
Misha has a small enough portfolio to quickly find his hub:
now, this a very good resource, but it doesnt show you How to select keywords it references multiple tools and services that can assist you (all very good, i may add)
It does reference this by Peter Hoggan
Which is the type of hub I was expecting to be referenced.
So any specific hubs along that vein?
It seems like I just got a list of hubbers who write well and have used the word "keyword'!
http://hubpages.com/hub/Publishing-Advi … ent1924543 and if you don't like that one, Chuck has about 10 more on keywords.
I still don't think that my head has truly gone 'ding'. I seem to have picked up a bit of natural instinct, but I would benefit on reading further so I will watch this thread with interest.
I am currently utilising a free trial of Market Samurai, this is where I find out whether I truly have a clue...
Sometimes I get it right, but I certainly cant explain why I get it wrong about 40% of the time.... well, I can, its because I could learn more.... I am actually better at utilising tagging in order to win second hand internal traffic then I am at consistantly winning search engine traffic. Although maybe I am being an incy wincey bit modest, I am getting 21000 page views per day, I must be doing something right at least...
And I have never written a hub about keywords I write plenty about backlinking, but never about keywords. I found Darksides hubpage on the topic very helpful, I cant remember which one, but if you type 'keywords' in the search box it comes up on the first page.
I would find it for you, if only I wasn't about to go to sleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
My guess is that what makes one reader go "ding" would make another one go, "huh?" I've been trying to read lots of things from several experienced hubbers and I've picked up useful pieces from each. I keep my eye on Darkside's the most. He really seems to know what he's doing. (Marisa Wright is good to, but I don't know if she has any that are specific to keywords)
Gosh, if we are saying thank yous, I guess I would have to say (sorry if I miss you or misspell you)Cagsil,Darkside,raynket,webmaster(or something to that effect) and many forum ?'s answered....everyone is great and I learn something new each day by having them here.....
Darkside: http://www.startpoint.biz/hubpages/keyw … h-content/ *keywordscience*
good forum convo on keyword research: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/47249?p … ost1086292
livewithrichard in his Hub
Keywords - Tips and Tools for Finding and Using Relevant Keywords
I still hem haw research think ponder stop hit a wall and feel like I am in perpetual keyword hell . ..
and then I go back again and try to read some more. . take notes in my notebook hoping that writing it with a pen will embed itself on, in or even somewhere near my brain !
So bottom line is my head hasnt gone ding yet but the above mentioned Hub was basic and broke it down a bit for me to have some light bulb go off.
And of course the 60dc helped me stay within a niche to feel as if I had some boundaries to stay within in choosing a keyword.
Market Samurai doesnt hurt either!
I think it's a continual learning process, especially for those of us who do not write full time online. I don't know if I can say, the 'ding' has dung?
when I first started, I had no idea what all the terms meant. my oldest son helped me some with keywords.
I read all of darkside's 'how to' hubs. also when I started he was very active in the Help forums and I read his posts.
Paul Edmonson has some very simple, concise hubs about keywords, writing for search engines, evergreen topics. Those have also helped me.
your hubs have helped. mark knowles. I've also read livewithrichard's keywords hub which is helpful.
if a hub is too techie, I don't read it, or if it's too long. the well organized, concise hubs work best for me.
I will also read hubs from some of my favorite top hubbers to observe the layout, the keywords and tags, headings, etc.
I don't generally read all of the 'how to make money' hubs. I've read some, but they all seem to say the same thing.
MY ANSWER IS: NONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I keep waiting for one of those selfish bastards to help me. I don't even care which one. Sunforged, Darkside, Misha, Edweirdo, Relache, Nellie Hoxie, Marisa Wright, Patty Inglish... the list is really long to be honest. I sit here almost every night thinking, You know, if <insert hubber name> would just kick down five or eight really profitable keywords/phrases I would own hubpages for money making but they never do. None of them. So, my answer is NO ONE. NO ONE has helped me with keyword research.
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
The two things gave me a "bing!" moment were this Hub by Susana S:
and Ryan's Youtube clip:
Having said that, I'm not putting it into practice very effectively - apart from tweaking my titles on existing Hubs, which is making a big difference in some cases.
How do you tweak titles on existing hubs , can you give some info on this please. I need to learn so much more ........my head goesbuzzzzzzzzz
If you watch the video I linked to, it explains how to work out what words to use.
Then you just edit your Hub, and change the title. You can't change the URL but that's not a huge deal.
I like that video, I use it in a lot of my hubs rather than actually explain any keyword concepts myself
Susana's hub is stellar, I have that one bookmarked myself.
That YouTube clip was the first thing that taught me about Keyword selection too.
I like to think that my methods are at least a little more advanced now, but that was a very good starting point.
I will post some links right out of stuff in my bookmarks folder (featuring all the usual suspects )-
http://hubpages.com/hub/How-I-got-my-hu … first-page
http://hubpages.com/hub/How_To_Increase … _Your_Site
http://hubpages.com/hub/How-are-RSS-fee … and-stored
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Ultimate-Wr … -backlinks
Great list Sidd!
I had never seen Darksides "three" - thats a very concise yet informative hub and it focuses on Keywords.
Peters SEO Keyword Research is spot on and packed with info
The rest are seo optimization and promotion related but is definitely a strong list!
I don't know about Hubbers here since I am so new to Hubpages. But, there is a lot of information out there on keyword and SEO. But, I did like this hub for a thorough explanation. SEO Keyword Research
Thank you for starting this thread, by default it has doubled my reading list "Ding".
I am absolutely useless at keyword research, using google keyword tool is driving me to distraction and even when I think I have grasped it my head goes from "Ding" to "Dong" when I realise I have managed to identify the lowest paying keyword that has the most competition that no one is actually searching for.
I have read a fair amount about keyword research and tools in various Hubs, all of them teach me something but none have blown my mind. I will read the others listed here and wait for my mini brain explosion.
Here is my most useful so far:
http://hubpages.com/hub/make-money-onli … d-research
I am also a big fan of yourself of course, Cagsil, Darkside, Ryankett, Susana S.
hmm..a little nugget of gold spills out from HP ..
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/49651?p … ost1144377
(good info for site owners)
I haven't read the "Eureka!" hub on keywords yet. Though darkside's hub on useless keyword victories was a different kind of eureka. I post the link fairly often in the HubMob thread. HubMobsters usually make no acknowledgement of it, or get offended that I rained on their celebration.
http://hubpages.com/hub/celebrating-use … -victories
I have found that there are a lot of hubbers who I would class as the quiet achievers.
They keep a low profile, have dedicated hubpages that are a learning experience to read. Some of the simple techniques they talk about with keyword research would normally cost a lot of money to buy, especially if it was a WSO.
I recall a few years ago there was one, Knight Rider or the Ghost Writer or something similar, that came onto the forum and blew us away with his wisdom. He no longer seems to be a member here.
Writing about keyword research can be quite lonely sometimes.
And definately this one by Peter Hoggan
I have just come as close to a "Ding" as I have ever been
You know it's hard to remember all the hubs that have helped me learn about keyword research, there have been so many, but my latest ding moment was with Misha's hub: http://hubpages.com/hub/Google-Keyword-Tool-Redefined
First off it opened my eyes to using google search assist to find potential keywords, then it inspired me to look for very high volume search terms - over 200,000 per month. I realised I could aim higher and that high volume doesn't always equal high competition. There are massive volume search terms out there that have very little comp.
All of Peter Hoggan's hubs are good too: his 12 hub SEO course is great http://hubpages.com/profile/Peter+Hoggan
I don't know if anyone has written about using google insights for search, but I use that tool quite a bit too.
I just put together a hub that explains how i find untapped niche markets for longtails Called Hubpages and my secret traffic tools.
When I started,there is a site called Nicks Traffic Tricks.com
and a as far as hubbers go. Mark knowles has an interesting one about hubpages income. Ryan Kett is really knowledgable as well as Nelle Hoxie who provides regular updates on her goals and results. I read a few by Dawei 888 that were helpful and Relache has good advice.Darkside has some excellent Capstone hub explanations and has a great format of writing in his Roman era hubs.SunSeven has a great style with links in hubs and you may want to check Rebecca E and Frogdroppings style.
This is a very interesting thread. I would just like to add that like Ryan, I have been using the free trial of Market Samurai and also the free version of Traffic Travis - I have only had about an hour this weekend to try Traffic Travis but it does look promising. I also learned some useful Keyword Research information from Shane Melaugh's free videos that he is giving away as part of the launch of his Backlink Battleplan course.
I have tried to incorporate what I have learned into my strategy for keyword research but the problem I have found is that the same keyword phrase appears to give different results in different keyword research software.
At the moment, I'm afraid I am finding it all a bit 'smoke and mirrors'!
I wish I had an explanation - I use MNF , MS and occasionally TTpro.
They rarely agree ..and they aint perfect but its what we got
I also use IBP which is a $500 program and it doesnt agree with the others either!
Thanks for that info sunforged, keyword research is a fairly mind numbing business and although it is not good to find the different programs disagree, it is comforting to know it is not just me! I find it very frustrating when one program suggests it is a relatively easy keyword to rank for and other says it isn't! I think I am beginning to work out my own way of doing things though and setting my own criteria.
How do you understand the reports of IBP and really it contradicts MS on many things. I have free trial of IBP on my computer and once I had full access to IBP as one of my friend from U.K. who makes his living online uses it. He seems to like IBP.
Is it really worth the money SF and do they fulfill their promise. I guess they promise page 1 ranking for any keyword?
So Post Panda - Are there any hubs you would recommend now? ..
I have read 100s of hubs and web pages and tried to apply the principle, pre and post Panda.
I have also spent over $1000 on courses to try and learn how this works.
I am still getting 20 or less views per day to my web sites and all my hubs except one.
I thought I could use the web to set up some income that would help compensate for the fact I have hardly any pension to expect.
2 years later, I have now given up and am preparing to face utter poverty in my old age.
I'm too lazy to do keyword research.
However, I did read a very recent book:
Keyword Intelligence: Keyword Research for Search, Social, and Beyond by Ron Jones (1118061837 at Amazon)
Amazon Price: $22.21
I did write a review of it too, but honestly just go to Amazon and take a look.
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