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   mikicagleposted 13 years ago

   Wow! What do you do when someone writes a hub attacking you personally because you deleted a comment they posted to your hub?

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      Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I would report them to hubpages immediately.

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      chenderson00posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I say, screw 'em. LOL sorry to be so upfront, but what can you really do? I have deleted comments from my hubs because they either were spam or half spelled words. There has also been a few comments that didn't agree with my article and that's fine.
      
      In my opinion, it's your article, you took the time to write it, and if someone leaves a comment you don't approve of -- that's why Hubpages has a comment approval system.
      
      Don't let it get the best of you. Report the hub, explain the problem, and try not to fuel the fire.

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      rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I just took a look at your hubs and saw one that I felt could ignite an opposing viewpoint. If any hub about a 'political', controversial viewpoint is written in a fiery, heated manner, you're going to get fiery opposing comments in return.
      
      You can deny comments, but you have to consider how a reader may respond to any hub you write.

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         mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You are absolutely right!  I named individuals and organizations that are identified with a specific political group because that is what I was seeing on the posts. Unfortunately some of the readers made assumptions on my political affiliations because of it and that's where the problem came from. The hub has turned into something that I never intended it to be-kinda like the movie the BLOB.

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      Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      Just out of curiosity - how did you learn about the Hub the other person wrote?  I have deleted comments before, but I never followed up to see what the poster did afterwards.

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         mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         He posted another comment on my hub and put the address of the hub he wrote on it. He used my name in the hub title

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            Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Wow.  Just wow.  And good grief! 
            
            I like what nell79 wrote.  Good sharing, good information, and good job, Nell.

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               nell79posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Well, at least I learned a lesson there Haha!

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      nell79posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      This happened to me my first week when I answered a question in the answers section of HubPages. It was a religious question and I should've just kept my mouth shut, but I had no idea there were such heated discussions going on in the forums over religion (I hadn't yet ventured there--if I had I would've known better ).
      
      Anyway, it was a leading question and if I'd been paying attention (I wasn't), then I'd have noticed that from the very beginning. I gave my thoughts on it. I got a scathing reply by the poster who asked the question (I didn't even know til then that people could or would even consider doing that--so naive!!!!).  I thought they were rude and I told them so. I woke up the next day to a hub dedicated to me. Fun!!!! NOT!!!!!!!!
      
      Anyway, I made the wrong choice and wrote a hub in response. Both hubs were flagged, though I took mine down without being asked. The other one disappeared--voluntarily or not, I don't know.
      
      I'm not sure what you should do. It all depends on what result you want, I guess. If you don't like this kind of controversy, then I'd say you should stay away from the political and religious topics. Unless writing about those is your passion and you want to engage in a lively debate, then you should find other things to write about.
      
      One thing though, and I could be way off here, it's just my perspective on the subject, I've had comments that were negative on my hubs. That is, they were opposing opinions to my own. I left the comments and responded to them there in as diplomatic manner as I was able. It ended there and I got to expand on my thoughts too. Differing opinions aren't always a bad thing. In fact, you can learn a lot from them.
      
      However, if it's a comment that's there soley as a personal attack, or spam, or other such non-contributing things, then by all means, I'd delete them away. Just my two cents and I don't claim to know everything!
      
      As for the hub they wrote, you could flag it if it's a personal attack. I'm sure others have already if that is the case. Don't lower yourself though, as I made the mistake of doing, by engaging in similar behavior. Unless, that is, you like the conflict
      
      Good luck to you!

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         mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I appreciate your comment.  The subject was political-it was about the shooting that happened in Arizona-my whole spin was that the shooter was the person responsible. People on both sides came out each blaming the other political party-and I left those comments up.  The only comments I removed were one in which the poster made personal assumptions of me based on the hub and said some really unkind personal things. I wrote the hub on Saturday-and after I got home from work on Monday I was not feeling well so I just went to bed and didn't get on the internet at all.  The poster called me a coward and said things like I was afraid to write back to him, that I was stupid, and all sorts of other dumb things. I responded back right after I read it (which I shouldn't have) told him that I was sick the day before, and said he was an idiot. After I thought about it I went back and deleted both is posting, and my response back to him. He put another post on my hub informing me that he wrote his own hub about me and named me in the title. He went on to say in his hub that people should be very afraid because I "teach children". He also kept referring to me as HE. Now if he took the time to read my profile to find out that I was a teacher-how could he miss the fact that I was a SHE?  This whole issue is soooo ridiculous, and I think I've spent way too much of my time thinking about it.  I will absolutely stay away from hot topics like religion and politics from now on.

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      Ms Deeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Appreciate you bringing up this discussion question and a lot of the responses. Some of it was eyeopening in that I'd not known how bad it could get, so appreciate the warning.

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      Stories Inc.posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      People actually do that? So far, I've only seen hubbers praise other hubbers, no hostility. Playful teasing at the most, all very cordial.

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         lyndreposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You must be visiting the wrong forums

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      kschangposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That would be against Hubpages terms of use.
      
      "You may not: ... Publish Hubs or Hub or Author Content that include any content or links that are pornographic, defamatory, libelous, tortious, vulgar, obscene, invasive of privacy, racially or ethnically objectionable, hateful, promotes or provides instructional information about illegal activities, promotes any act of cruelty to animals, or is otherwise offensive."
      
      Flag them and let HP deal with it.

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   goldenpathposted 13 years ago

   Report it.

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   Mishaposted 13 years ago

   Just move on. There are several hubs around attacking me personally, and reporting them to HP did not help a tiny bit, so it seems to be useless in this case.

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      mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the advice Misha-I appreciate you taking the time to post it. Time to put this whole issue to bed.

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         Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Glad you read the positive plays available to you!

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            mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I'm confused-are you saying that I only read positive things?  or that I only respond to the positive?  If  you are referring to the hub that started this thread-I didn't respond to comments that were too polarizing on either side. It doesn't mean I didn't read them or don't respect the poster-I just didn't want to fan ANY more flames than I already did.

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   Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

   Gather up your Hub pals and have them go leave scathing comments on that person's hub! (oops -- I will probably lose my HP elite status for suggesting such a thing). Seriously, I have seen this approach used more than once.

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      mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmmmmm, MM, I wonder where you saw that approach 

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         kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         hhhmmmmmmmmmmmm??????????

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      mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks so much everyone. I appreciate you taking the time to answer me. The hub has a political subject-and unfortunately anything to do with politics seem to polorize people today. I really don't want to cause problems, I am honestly thinking about deleting the whole hub.

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         Rastamermaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I wouldn't delete hub,just delete the comments if they keep on,they'll get tired especially when they see,you're not tripping just deleting their comments,maybe they'll write a hub concerning the same topic and if you wish do that same mess they did and they'll see how it feels.
         
         Of course I would report them,but reading a post earlier here,said that didn't help much.
         
         Political or not ypu have a right to write what you want,and to delete what you do not want on your hub.
         
         Good luck!

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   Mighty Momposted 13 years ago

   Well well, look who's come to the hubjacking! It's Ms. Mistyhorizon herself! Personal attack hubs are simply not allowed!

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      mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      LOL, no, of course they aren't MM, I would never dream of condoning such appalling behaviour, no matter how effective it might well be if some well meaning, loyal friend or friends were willing to undertake this rash action in their misguided efforts to support their wonderful, genuine and yet, abused and vulnerable friends here on hubpages

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   mikicagleposted 13 years ago

   I think I am going to stick to writing hubs about my dog-people like those, well- except cat lovers......

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      ssaulposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      wow, people actually write hubs attacking another hubber wow, I am speeches and thoughtless.

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         Flightkeeperposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         It's not the first time a hubber has attacked another hubber with a hub because they disagreed over something.  It's petty and many people know that. Miki is right to just ignore it and go on to something else because it's really not worth the time and effort to respond.
         
         Good for your Miki.

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   Jane@CMposted 13 years ago

   Maybe just turn your comments off for now on that particular hub.  As far as the other person goes, just ignore - it only fuels the fire.

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   habeeposted 13 years ago

   I can't imagine writing a hub just to attack another hubber! That time could have been used to produce a hub that might earn some money. If I was that upset with another hubber, I'd handle it through a personal email.

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      nell79posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You're right, Habee, it certainly is a waste of time. Time that could be used, as you said, in producing something more lucrative and meaningful
      
      However, if this were to happen to me again, I would do my best to just ignore it. I did, as you said you would consider doing, send an email to this other hubber and it just gave the hubber more text in the hub about me
      
      Yeah....I'm thinking we need an ignore button

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   Wow.. I tend to agree with Misha..
   A Wise Man.. Doesn't Bleat about it, but helps (by leading) the other party to unwittingly boast and develop the Google presence of (himself) the 'aggrieved' party!
   - But I guess for some, it is always easier to bleat than to think laterally

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      mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      time to put this whole issue to bed, act like an adult, stop bleating, and move on.

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    paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

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    WOW! Depressing as hell.

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    paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

    Politics and religion have gotten way out of hand…

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    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    Even thought the attack hubs says more about the hubber who wrote it than anything else, I would still flag it.

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       mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       He took the personal things about me out of the hub.

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          nell79posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I wondered about that, because I confess my curiosity got the better of me after I replied the first time (so glad I'm not a cat!) and I took a look. I didn't see anything flag-worthy then.
          
          Sneaky...or he felt bad about the attack and fixed it...

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             mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             the hub looks harmless now-but he took out what he said directly to me and didn't post his origional comments either.

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                mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                and unfortunately after reading his response below he still isn't being honest

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          kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I still know how your feeling.  I have had to report over 18 directed at me, and I will say the HP Team dealt with it head on, no excuses.  It will continue, as will I, but it's gross and stings.  I am at the point now where I am almost famous   Truth is they and I are really the only people who understand any of it.  There are a few who have asked me things and I play stupid.  Real truth be told, my partner and Hubber has been and is the active ingredient.  Had he not started reporting in the beginning the Team would have not understood the progression.  Follow a Hubber named 'clarification'.  Whom ever s/he are was the one who finally came out and named bullies and stalkers on site, most laugh it off.  Ouch.  I am not being dramatic just clear that I will not be run off by my own emotional explosion again.
          
          I really don't get bothered now.  But clearly understand they cannot hurt me anymore because they hurt me that badly.
          
          Long winded way of saying, we do need  to stick together and those two chicks above me got my back more than once and when your feeling like an idiot and insecure they blew strength back in me,  So email me if you need anything, even a rant.  Now off to follow you two's back
          
          bless
          
          kimberly
          
          

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    Pandoras Boxposted 13 years ago

    I didn't bother looking for the relevant hubs on this, but I'd agree with Rebekah. Make sure what you write is relevant, diplomatic, reasonably supported and accurate. Take responsibility for the things you put out there.
    
    Don't get personally involved in any comment wars which may occur, stay above the fray. The other person is making an ugly fool of him or herself. Don't let that happen to you.
    
    Personal attack hubs are pathetic, and I can't understand why anyone would ever feel the need to write one aimed at another individual, based on one hub.
    
    Again, I didn't read your hub, so don't take this personally, it's just a general observation that once we start writing things and posting them on the net for others to see -and hopefully getting paid for it in one way or another- then we do kind of have an obligation to take responsibility for what we put out there.
    
    Both the accuracy of it, and how we say it and why.
    
    This isn't aimed at the OP one bit, again I read nothing. Just commenting on the issue in general.

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       nell79posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Sounds like a good rule of thumb to me.

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          Pandoras Boxposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah. I forgot to mention that I'm still learning it myself, lol.
          
          

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             nell79posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Aren't we all? LOL I know I certainly struggle with it at times!

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    prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago

    Tell the other one who made a hub about your hub to link your hubs together with same tags, for promotion, LOL. Other than that Missus Rebekkah and Pandoras advices are good.

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    THEOBSERVERposted 13 years ago

    To those who have not read any of the hubs involved:
    
    Just like PANDORAS BOX states when one posts a hub that person must be responsible for their accuracy and must take responsibility for what the writer puts out there. That is called Civil Responsibility.
    I do not write on these pages for money… I make money writing for a serious news outlet.
    I went into detail stating facts of US Supreme Court Case Law. I proceeded to comment on MIKICAGLE’s hub and stated several times that it was not my opinion. What I did say as my comments to her hub which she deleted is that it is scary that she teaches children …meaning that someone who teaches children should be teaching fact and not opinion. We have enough opinion to go around ! 
    For the record….the shooter Jared Loughner is directly responsible for the crime….also he is not mentally stable …two facts that are not in question. It is a known fact that such mentally unstable individuals have a trigger which causes them to act. The question that remains to be answered upon investigation and may never be answered is who or what incited him or alarmed him to act in this fashion.  So if it is ever determined those who incited, inflamed or alarmed him and caused an act such as this those parties have civil responsibility and also must face punishment by taking responsibility for their actions. It is not a partisan argument as I stated this would hold true for both left and right paradigms. I laid out the case in my first hub!
    MIKICAGLE decided to remove my comments…I guess because she did not like them..which is fine…I like everyone to see and to expose the truth of case law period!  And for the record I did not delete any of her comments….as you can see calling someone an idiot is personal….all because I did not check if the writer was male or female….I never took it personally though but I will relentlessly pursue truth of fact.

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       Flightkeeperposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Dude, it's her hub, if she wants to delete your comments she can and she did.  You got angry and wrote a hub in response.  That's just odd.

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       nell79posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       It probably stung to have your comment removed, but that is her right.
       
       If you didn't like or agree with what she had to say, then you still could've written your own hub about it and left her out of it. It's that simple.
       
       Then, if you wanted to get the free traffic (as you have anyway) you could have gone to her comments (as you obviously did) and said something like: "Interesting viewpoint, however I disagree. If you want to know why, go here: blahblahblah.com"
       
       Much less inflammatory IMHO.   
       
       PS Nobody go to that website! I just made it up so I won't speak for the security or material of it should it exist

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          Pandoras Boxposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Oh I think that's my personal blog. Safe enough, no worries there, but the material is a bit rambly.
          
          

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    Home Girlposted 13 years ago

    You can never please everybody, even if you are a nice person, somebody might not like you face, or your opinion. And if you don't want to burn your butt don't jump over fire!

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    saleheensblogposted 13 years ago

    call the cop

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    paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

    This thread still going on...?

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    paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

    Let it die.

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       saleheensblogposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Romio never dies

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    Str8up Hookupsposted 13 years ago

    I posted earlier without looking at either hub.
    
    I just took a look at both hubs.
    
    WOW
    
    Think you both missed the boat on this one.
    
    The big picture...
    
    A tragedy occurred people have been shot,maimed and killed.This is a time we should be coming together as a nation as a people to have compassion and empathy for your fellow man.And to be honest being happy as hell it wasn't you and you're loved ones.
    
    Instead of hashing and bickering let's have so empathy and understanding that we have all been traumatized.Just like Katrina,or 911 we need loving and healing,not this back and forth mess of guilt or whose to blame.
    
    What's done is done we can't change it,but we can look at this and learn.
    
    Learn to pay more attention to whats going around and do something at that time not when it's too late.
    
    Too many people have stated they knew something was wrong with him,but no one,not one person made a phone call for him to get help.
    
    str8up

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       mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       i don't mean to be rude but can you please tell me how I missed the boat when you and I both have the same message?

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          Str8up Hookupsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I'm just saying all I'm seeing is people pointing fingers.We all know who did it,it's no secret,he didn't run and hide or kill himself.
          
          But what are we as a people going to learn.
          1) Pay attention to your kids,get involved try to know what's going on to get the help that's needed if needed.
          2) If you're a friend and you really think I have a problem,tell me,tell  my folks,talk to a counselor about me,give me some options some help.
          3) If you see a crime being committed,call a cop.

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             mikicagleposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I couldn't agree more

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    mathereseposted 13 years ago

    I think there is two things to do depending on your personality:
    
    Are you a peacefull person? Then ignore him
    
    Are you belligerant then retaliate write a hub to fight back

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    andromidaposted 13 years ago

    I would suggest you to ignore them.If you unable to ignore the attack on you for any reason then you can write a hub explaining  your point of views about that attacking hubs.I hope you are well. How your hubs are performing?Take care.

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    Adroit Alienposted 13 years ago

    How you react to your "Internet life" sometimes reflect on your real life. Either deal with it like a mature adult or call 911 and hope the policemen of the Internet will come to protect you from all the bad guys.
    
    
    It's your choice but from personal experience, having tough skin can help you in both environments. Good luck.

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