Citizens from 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United

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  1. movingout profile image60
    movingoutposted 12 years ago

    Give me a break! Like a bunch of whiney kids who didn't get their way! If they hate it here so badly, and hate the POTUS so much, leave the country!

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    1. Repairguy47 profile image61
      Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Or create their own.

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    2. kathleenkat profile image82
      kathleenkatposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      They are trying to tongue

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      1. eternals3ptember profile image60
        eternals3ptemberposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I think we all remember how that worked out

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    3. A Thousand Words profile image68
      A Thousand Wordsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think it actually might be good for the country to split. But that's just me.

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    4. lorddraven2000 profile image94
      lorddraven2000posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think it is silly myself. This much buthurt is crazy.

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    5. bgamall profile image62
      bgamallposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      They aren't the patriots are they!

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  2. movingout profile image60
    movingoutposted 12 years ago

    Perhaps the Cayman Islands would be a good location for these folks? lol

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  3. peoplepower73 profile image82
    peoplepower73posted 12 years ago

    This is some what tongue and cheek, but I was waiting for a moment where i could use this.

    Dear Red States:
    We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics, so we've decided we're leaving. We in New York, Mass and CA intend to form our own country and we're taking all the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Maryland, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Vermont, the rest of the Northeast, and DC also. We believe this split will be beneficial to the entire nation and especially to the people of our new country called "The Enlightened States of America" (E.S.A).

    To sum up briefly:

    You get Texas, Oklahoma, AZ and all the slave states.

    We get stem cell research, the best beaches, and we'll take all of the creative gay people you don't want anyway.

    We get Barack and Michelle, Bill & Hillary, Andrew Cuomo, Elizabeth Warren, and Dianne Feinstein. You get Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry and Todd Akin.

    We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.

    We get Apple, Intel, Microsoft and all the smart technology. You get WorldCom, the Koch Bros, and all the coal/oil pollution.

    We get Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Michigan, UC, Stanford and Princeton.
    You get Ole' Miss.

    We get Silicon Valley, NYC, San Fran, Seattle and 85 percent of America's venture capital and best entrepreneurs.

    You get Alabama and Arkansas.

    We get two-thirds of all the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

    Our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition states, so we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of angry single moms and deadbeat dads.

    With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve Ripple at your state dinners), 90% of the best cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all the living redwoods, solar power, the Sequoias and condors, all the Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Michigan, Stanford, UC, UCLA, Cal Tech and MIT.

    With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all the obese Americans and their projected healthcare costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all the Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, plus Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

    We also get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you very much. You get Appalachia.
    You get the 38% of those in the Red states who believe that the world was created in 7 days and that Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, the 62% who are pro-life for fetuses but not for the kids who are actually born or their Moms, those who believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, the 44% who know that evolution is only a theory, the 53% who still believe that Saddam was part of 9/11 and had weapons of mass destruction, that Obama was born in Kenya, and the 61% of those crazy bastards who even believe they have higher morals then we do.

    We're taking all the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.

    Sincerely,
    A Citizen of the Enlightened States of
    America

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    1. Sapper profile image63
      Sapperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      This was an amazing post. I wish it was short enough to post on facebook. You sir, are awesome.

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      1. rebekahELLE profile image82
        rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I saw that link on my FB feed. You can find it by searching, dear red states letter. I believe it was originally a letter posted on Craig's list.

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        1. Sapper profile image63
          Sapperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you, found it and posted.

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    2. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      A RESOUNDING HIGH FIVE, WEEEEEEEEEE!

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    3. Repairguy47 profile image61
      Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      One question, how will you feed yourselves? You ain't the most self sufficient bunch.

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      1. kathleenkat profile image82
        kathleenkatposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I don't know about the other states, but here in Washington we have enough crops to sustain the state; many of the local hippies are able to eat organically, and within the 100-mile rule, without dying smile

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        1. wilderness profile image89
          wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          But you get to feed California and New York, too.  Maybe they'll trade you oranges and blacktop for wheat

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      2. Josak profile image60
        Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        As previously mentioned the non self sufficient states are the majority of the deep red ones.

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        1. Repairguy47 profile image61
          Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          California and New York went for Romney Woo hoo.

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          1. Josak profile image60
            Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            New York the state where most of the international money in the US is made? Yeah.

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            1. Repairguy47 profile image61
              Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Do you not get this? More white people on welfare? Yes! Why More white people! Most populated states would obviously have more welfare recipients!

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            2. Repairguy47 profile image61
              Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this
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              1. Josak profile image60
                Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Yup that is amount but not amount compare to population or compared to return thus making it completely useless.

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                1. Repairguy47 profile image61
                  Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Should we break down who receives welfare?

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                  1. Josak profile image60
                    Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    Definitely. Too small, link instead : http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content … -final.png
                    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/7361438_f248.jpg

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          2. Josak profile image60
            Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            California isn't great it costs $1.09 for every dollar it pays in taxes on the other hand it's much better than say Mississippi which costs $2.73 for every dollar it pays back.

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          3. Mighty Mom profile image73
            Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I must be missing something here.
            California and New York went for Romney for what? Dogcatcher?
            lol

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            1. Repairguy47 profile image61
              Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, you are missing something.

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          4. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image75
            TIMETRAVELER2posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            CA and NY went for Romney?  When was that?

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    4. A Thousand Words profile image68
      A Thousand Wordsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      <3
      Perfect. Just perfect.

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    5. Shyron E Shenko profile image71
      Shyron E Shenkoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Peoplepower73  Where is GerryMandering when me, my family and some of my friends need it?  This is the reddest of red states.  I don't want to leave this state but, I want to be a Citizen of the Enlightened States of
      America.

      Shyron

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    6. Shyron E Shenko profile image71
      Shyron E Shenkoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      These people who want to secede are like little kids playing checkers, who say "If you don't let me win, I don't want to play anymore."

      If these little kids had won, and they got bored, they would have swiped all the checkers off the checker board.

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  4. Deltachord profile image60
    Deltachordposted 12 years ago

    This idea has been argued since the time of the Articles of Confederation of the first 13 states.

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  5. innersmiff profile image68
    innersmiffposted 12 years ago

    Seriously, this is one the sanest ideas - instead of trying to force a particular ideologue upon wildly different cultures why not allow localities to secede and divise their own law? At least with this outcome there is an element of choice.

    Are these same people bawking at the idea the same people who tell me I can leave if I don't like my country? I hope not for your sake, it'd make you look pretty silly.

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    1. Repairguy47 profile image61
      Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Because when it was tried before a tyrant forced those states back to a union it didn't want.

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    2. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The issue is however that in the vast majority of these states (if not all) the majority of the population do not support the measure.

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      1. innersmiff profile image68
        innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Obviously a referendum needs to happen in each of these states and the result needs to be respected.

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        1. Josak profile image60
          Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Well maybe polling before the massive cost of a referendum to see if it's worth it but yeah I support that.

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  6. Mighty Mom profile image73
    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    The petition list is getting longer. Now 20 states.
    I have absolutely no problem with the south re-ceding.
    Don't worry about us feeding ourselves. We've got CA and NY, don't forget.
    Oh wait -- and we also get WALL STREET!

    They'll miss us a heckuva lot sooner than we'll miss their hate, fear mongering, negativity and human rights suppression.!
    Wanna bet that within a year they will come crawling back for their welfare checks and state subsidies??

    How does the song go "you don't know what you've got till it's gone."

    Note, also, the distinctly different tone of PeoplePower''s post vs. Mr. Morrison's diatribe. That just about says it all.

    Secession petitions filed in 20 states
    By Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo! News

    President Obama waves to the crowd on election night. (Photo By Chris Carlson, AP)
    In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

    States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

    The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

    Of course, this is mostly a symbolic gesture. The odds of the American government granting any state permission to go its own way are on par with winning the lottery while getting hit by a meteor while seeing Bigfoot while finding gluten-free pizza that tastes like the real thing.

    An article from WKRC quotes a University of Louisville political science professor who explained that these petitions aren't uncommon. Similar petitions were filed following the 2004 and 2008 elections. Still, should the petitions garner 25,000 signatures in a month, they will require an official response from the Obama administration.

    From the We the People site:

    The right to petition your government is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. We the People provides a new way to petition the Obama Administration to take action on a range of important issues facing our country. We created We the People because we want to hear from you. If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure it's sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

    Not everybody who wants to secede is polite enough to write a petition. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

    [b]"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."[/url]

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    1. profile image58
      logic,commonsenseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You can have NY and CA!  Please.  Just a bunch of druggies and superficial, selfcentered morons anyway.

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        PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        LOL, I just came from an emergency room visit here in my 89% Republican county in a red state and posted prominently on ALL of the doors of the hospital is a big ol' sign proclaiming that their doctors do not prescribe hydrocodone, percoset, etc.  I wonder why?  Because of all the druggies here in the Bible Belt.

        I can't speak for CA or NY, but I never saw a sign like that in the entire blue state of Oregon and I lived there for over 40 years.

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        1. Repairguy47 profile image61
          Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          You never saw that sign in Oregon? How shocking.

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            PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I don't find it shocking.  I'm not surprised you would, given you're a conservative in a red state, which generally have statistically higher levels of drug and alcohol abuse.

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            1. Repairguy47 profile image61
              Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Ive never seen that sign either, so what say you?

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              1. profile image0
                PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                I say you live in Austin, don't you? One of the more liberal areas of Texas, I think.  I could be wrong, though.  big_smile

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                1. Repairguy47 profile image61
                  Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I live in Travis County which Austin is in, and yes its very liberal. I very seldom go there because I am closer to Williamson county which is the most conservative County in the state! Its quite the accident that I even live in Travis, I thought I was in Williamson and I actually might be, still under investigation.

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            2. Repairguy47 profile image61
              Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Really, highest levels in red states?

              http://www.samhsa.gov/samhsanewsletter/ … rends.aspx

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              1. profile image0
                PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Well, you sorta got me.  That's "illicit" abuse, which doesn't include alcohol.  It depends on which report you use, I suppose.

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                1. Repairguy47 profile image61
                  Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  It includes alcohol, nice try though!

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  7. kathleenkat profile image82
    kathleenkatposted 12 years ago

    We can make fun of them all we want, but what does this say about America...?

    We are so divided. There is a serious problem when so many people want to disassociate with their country. There really is. Obama won the election, yes, but only 50% of the popular vote. That means the other 50% of voters didn't support him. Some presidents have won on less!

    There is an underlying sadness attached to this. That so many people feel so underrepresented that they want to remove themselves from the country.

    And then, people turn around and say "good riddance, we won't miss you!" It may be just joking around, but what does it really say about America?

    This is a bit saddening to me. Help my young memory; is this a typical response to elections? I have never heard of this, but the earliest election I can recall in detail is the 2000 election.

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    1. innersmiff profile image68
      innersmiffposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "Good riddance, we won't miss you!"
      "Good! We won't miss you either!"
      "Good!"
      "Good!"
      *sticks tongue out*
      *gives the finger*

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      1. Josak profile image60
        Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        big_smile

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  8. jacharless profile image71
    jacharlessposted 12 years ago

    No surprised, all were for slave states, red states as they are termed.
    There is a map that matches perfectly -less Florida- with Civil War states {free, slave}, Segregation, those of the last elections. Seems America has not truly advanced as a society, if the maps are accurate.

    Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas. Were all red states, all segregation pro states and all slave states. Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, seems to be the new comers.

    https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/390144_4626506387995_1097954766_n.jpg

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    1. wilderness profile image89
      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I had not seen that bottom picture before.  I reminds me of something I read long ago in a story about arcologies (super large, city sized apartment buildings) that theorized that while humans are social creatures enjoying each others company but if you stuff too many of them into too small a space it gives rise to insanity, just as it does for many other animals.

      The correlation isn't perfect, but it is strikingly close... big_smile

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      1. Repairguy47 profile image61
        Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Gee, they were even more racist in 2004! roll  Y'all should get a new schtick, this ones old!

        http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt … mp;dur=625

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    2. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image75
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Let's not confuse a few crazies wanting secession to entire populations of states wanting it.  If you took a vote within each state you would probably find that NONE of the states mentioned would even consider leaving the union.

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      1. Repairguy47 profile image61
        Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Why is it crazy to want to be governed by people you vote for? Obama and the democrats don't represent me, my state government does!

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        1. Mighty Mom profile image73
          Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          And you represent them in equal measure.
          smile

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          1. Repairguy47 profile image61
            Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Ahhhhh, ain't you...something

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            1. movingout profile image60
              movingoutposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              I'm sure if voting was tracked in my state, it might be 50 50 so only half would want to leave. I believe this would be the case in most states.

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      2. jacharless profile image71
        jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Not disagreeing. But as Wilderness pointed out, quite a correlation between three maps, over the course of nearly 150 years. 100 years post Civil War {first authoritative secession movement} map is practically the same. 50 years post Civil Liberties/Anti-segregation, map is still nearly the same as the previous two. Yeats & Keating!

        But, as a long time resident-citizen, I do agree, the noise of the few surpasses the silence of the many. I cannot say a secession would be a bad thing for the States, as the original idea of main 48 has not worked. A two party governing body from local to federal level, split into three branches, does not seem to be the most effective method of design//management. Maybe each State should have its own government and then a federal body to manage core elements of security, disaster relief, foreign relations and issues between states. Everything else, leave it to the State's themselves to decide. Would certainly reduce government size, power and influence, without initiating it.

        James.

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  9. Mighty Mom profile image73
    Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

    Can we please use an up-to-date Electoral College map?
    Since Florida wants to be one of "us" we'll be happy to have them in our Blue Country.
    Maybe we can get the space program back up and running.
    smile

    http://images.latinospost.com/data/images/full/8009/the-final-electoral-college-results-for-the-2012-presidential-election.jpg?w=600

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    1. Repairguy47 profile image61
      Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You can have the Yankees!

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      1. Mighty Mom profile image73
        Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        We'll take the Giants.
        Both the SF and NY versions.
        Yankees are ... a work in progress.
        smile

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        1. Repairguy47 profile image61
          Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Yankees have failed! Just as California has, by the way would you please send a truck to pick up your California transplants, they have terrible manners.

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          1. movingout profile image60
            movingoutposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know about that? I've traveled thru some unfriendly states, Georgia and Alabama being two!

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    2. kathleenkat profile image82
      kathleenkatposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Good luck with that, seeing as Obama was the one who called for the end of the Space Program.

      And they may have launched inf Florida, but they landed in Texas smile

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    3. eternals3ptember profile image60
      eternals3ptemberposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Not related to anything, but don't the red states no longer look like the Bible Belt, but more like the Bible High-heel?

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      1. A Thousand Words profile image68
        A Thousand Wordsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        ^^ +1

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  10. Hollie Thomas profile image60
    Hollie Thomasposted 12 years ago

    @josak, now be told. Texas is a country! lol

    You don't have a clue about Texas, you couldn't survive in this state, stay where you are we are a harsh country!

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    1. Repairguy47 profile image61
      Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      roll Stick to English terms, American ones seem to throw you.

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      1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
        Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        roll And where, o knowledgeable one, did the American 'language' originate?

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        1. Repairguy47 profile image61
          Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Said terms not language, is term a word you are familiar with?

          *Update* Guess not!

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  11. writinglover profile image66
    writingloverposted 12 years ago

    Let's face it. The United States has become its own enemy (again, if you look at the Civil War). Enough said.

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  12. peoplepower73 profile image82
    peoplepower73posted 12 years ago

    O.K.  Let's look at this realistically.  We have interstate highways, interstate commerce, interstate air traffic. FDA, EPA, FCC, DOT, Department of Defense, FEMA and on and on. If certain states secede from the union, how are they going to conduct business with the rest of the states and protect themselves?  That's why we have a federal government.  Are they going to have their own currency, monetary system,  and become separate countries?

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    1. writinglover profile image66
      writingloverposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That would be extremely difficult to pull off, if you look at it from an optimistic perspective (not the point, though). In my mind, though, it would be impossible.They would fall apart because of instability. Nope. I don't think they'll make it if it came down to that.

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  13. fpherj48 profile image60
    fpherj48posted 12 years ago

    I see no reason for immature, back & forth insults and name-calling.  The campaign is over with.
    The voters have spoken.  It IS what it is.  Be big boys and girls and DEAL with it.  Try to be part of the solution rather than cause more unrest. 
    I'm beginning to wonder if these angry states shouldn't go right ahead and secede.  Come to think of it.....this sounds a whole lot like Romney's concept of "self-deportation."   
    Happy Thanksgiving, folks.  Focus on your many blessings and stop your whining.  Shame on you.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You know - you're absolutely, completely, totally, and utterly RIGHT!

      Whether you agree with presidential policies or not, Barack Obama is the president. 

      Our government certainly gives you the right and the privilege to speak your mind regarding the way the federal government impacts your own state's government.

      IMO, though, the minute one starts to speak of secession, they are speaking of a violent revolution.

      We, as a race of human beings, should be well beyond that in 2012.

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      1. fpherj48 profile image60
        fpherj48posted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Motown.....I thank you, my rational-thinking friend.   Reality seems to be something harder and harder for the masses to deal with.  We truly ARE responsible for our own actions, attitudes and words.  The more and more negative, fighting, bickering, pessimism and whining that goes on and spreads and festers, the WORSE any situation becomes.   Are we really looking out for what's best and most helpful?  Or...are we simply looking to insist things go OUR way, all the time, no matter what?   Do we want to see progress.....improvement.....reparation?  Or would we prefer to muddy up the waters even more?
        It's a choice each of us must make.   Trying to out-scream one another, point fingers and PROTEST is a hair's breath away from insanity.
        Are we HORRIFIED at the SPLIT/DIVISION in our country......or are we merely contributing to it?
        These are the damned questions to ask ourselves!..........I should avoid these questions.  Not good for blood pressure......Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.  Peace.

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          Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Don't you dare avoid those questions!  If we don't ask them, who's going to?  But you know what I think?  I think there are a lot more of us out there who think the way we do than we realize.  The reason people don't notice us is because we speak quietly, walk softly, and actually choose to ACT on our beliefs rather than just scream at others until they give up and start to agree with us.  Agreement is useless if it's all just words.

          We need to act on our beliefs.  And we can always do that quietly. 

          And, I really don't give a flying fig who 'agrees' with me about anything.  I do care who offers a hand to help me pick up someone who's struggling to get to their feet, and I care who takes action to change what is clearly not right.

          So, wanna take a walk?

          big_smile

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          1. fpherj48 profile image60
            fpherj48posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Motown..you speak with reason and honesty.  I too, believe there are many more with this attitude than we know of or hear from.  I stayed away for a long time, because I have a difficult time with individuals who resort to BULLYING their opinions, onto the main stage, with the loudest, nastiest insults.  When this happens, I simply walk away, realizing you cannot discuss anything with a cuckoo bird.
            Whether I am completely happy with a situation or not......is not important to the grand scheme of things.    There's a BIG picture at the center here.  It is being looked over, under and around.....but not being looked at in it's position of utmost benefit.  So, unless and until, people settle down and do precisely that.....it will merely be more of the same....until we've bickered ourselves into the ground.

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  14. innersmiff profile image68
    innersmiffposted 12 years ago

    You know what would solve all this bickering?

    Liberty:
    Everybody can live how they want just so long as it doesn't interfere with others. Nothing too difficult to understand there.

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    1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image75
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Years ago I was visiting Mexico City and asked a wealthy friend why it was that the huge masses of poor who lived there didn't revolt.  He said it was because the Government gave them just enough to eat.  These people who want to secede are probably mostly those who have been under financial duress and just can't take it any more.  They may have believed a win by Romney would have somehow saved them, but they are wrong.  No President can fix our financial problems until everybody gets on the same page.  Secession would only make things worse for people, and it's too bad they can't see that what they are doing is also making things worse because 1)it's diverting the attention of the White House from really important matters and 2) it's further dividing us.  There are none so blind as those who will not see.

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      1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image75
        TIMETRAVELER2posted 12 years agoin reply to this

        One more thing;  HItler was able to rise to power because he used the poverty of the masses to unite them against the Jews, the thought being that the Jews had all the money and if they were gone, the masses would get the money.  This is certainly worth thinking about, isn't it?

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      2. Shyron E Shenko profile image71
        Shyron E Shenkoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        It is not just about money, it is power, the losers are like babies throwing temper tantrums, they think everyone will let them have their way. And, like a child they say "I am going to run away (secede)."  If we say go ahead, then ignore them, they will calm down and send a letter of request to President Obama, just like Paul Ryan did when he requested stimulus money. More like those who do not want to see.

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  15. movingout profile image60
    movingoutposted 12 years ago

    I can only assume folks who want to secede aren't Americans. If they were, they would believe in democracy and support the POTUS, who was elected by the people! Instead, they act like two year olds who didn't get what they want!

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