The Bible....

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  1. Pamda Man profile image59
    Pamda Manposted 15 years ago

    Why is this thread still going on?? O.o

  2. Pamda Man profile image59
    Pamda Manposted 15 years ago

    Remember what to do with flamers. (But you can do anything with spammers lol)

    Hello. My name is Spongeward.

  3. Pamda Man profile image59
    Pamda Manposted 15 years ago

    Mr. Usman is giving me a lot of laughs. lol

    1. candice5 profile image58
      candice5posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Mr Usman is giving me alot of laughs.
      Oh by the way my name is spongeward
      smile smile smile smile smile smile smilesmilesmilesad)smile

  4. profile image0
    ellie1142545posted 15 years ago

    To Mark, and all others here who have spoken out, against the Bible....

    The Question I asked, does any one know what the Bible really is?  Needs to be answered.....And no one knows the answer I guess, so.....

    There is one word on the Bible, that tells you...And that word is Holy, as in The Holy Spirit....I've thought this for years, and have even said so more than once, but it was finally confirmed last year....By someone who received his Doctorate Degree in The Ministry......

    1. Jerami profile image58
      Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The bible is the Holy inspired word of God. The problem is that there are so many thousands and thousands  of interpretations that the basic truth is realy hard to see. We need to over look the interpretations and read what is written

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        What is written is interpretation

        1. Jerami profile image58
          Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          When you state a fact it is fact in your mind. When I express what I think that you ment to say and change your meaning, I have interpreted your truth. That doesn't change the truth in your mind that you first implied, or does it?

          1. Pamda Man profile image59
            Pamda Manposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            What is truth?

            1. Jerami profile image58
              Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Unless there is an origin there is none.Your truth is as you preceive it to be. If you are your own source then your truth prevails for you. I should not interpret your truth to mean something that you did not mean to say IF I THEN GIVE YOU CREDIT  for my fabrication

              1. Pamda Man profile image59
                Pamda Manposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Since knowledge is justified true belief. Then I guess truth is knowledge minus the justification and belief.

                So, with belief, there won't be any truth. So religion does not give you truth. Hence, religion is false.

                1. Jerami profile image58
                  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  My knowledge and beliefs of what a rock is does not change the elements or condition of the rock. therefore it is not the rock or the religion that is false but our perseption of it. The rock has lost none of its reality because my understanding is false

          2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            The logical conclusion of your point is that God knows what he said, but none of us does.  I agree.

    2. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Sweetheart, you already told us what you think. I disagree. Sorry.

      Now care to answer any of the points that were raised by myself and others?

      1. profile image0
        ellie1142545posted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Points?  Like saying that the Bible is not true?  Nope don't care to...You already know I believe differantly from you....So why can't we have a conversation with respect shown to all?  It doesn't matter what a person believes...Respect them, and just say, lets agree to disagree, I won't talk about my belief, if you don't talk about yours?

        For some reason that just never happens does it?

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          No, like saying you are unqualified to make the statements you made, do not speak any of the languages the bible was translated from and do not understand how political it is.

          Any time.......

          Love the respect you are showing though. Some serious christian love and respect in that.........

    3. video lost profile image59
      video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Only by writing Holy with Bible does not make it the word of God. Part of it, yes, may be the word of God but the whole series of Bibles, OT and NT are not the word of God at all.

      You see there is no Gospel of Jesus (peace be upon him) or Gospel of Allah on the face of this earth. These Gospels were writen by several others like Mark, John, Mathew, Luke. In contrast, the word of Allah and the word of Jesus (pbuh) was only ONE. Later on, these Gospels were changed and interpolated from time to time by several people despite that Allah prohibited them to do so in Revelations.

      Secondly, the writting of OT was started after 150 years approx. of Jesus (pbuh), so automatically this large time gap between the spoken words and the start of written words gave rise to extreme doubts and uncertainties. And the first written Gospel was not in the Hebrew language of Jesus (pbuh). 

      Thirdly, there are grave defects in these Gospels ranging from Pornography, Mathematical Mistakes, Scientific Errors and Plagiarism to Unknown authors. How can you attribute these kind of things towards God ???

      SO PLEASE DO NOT ATTRIBUTE THESE THINGS TOWARDS ALLAH

      Qur'an, Ch 2-The Cow, V 79: "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby."

      Revelation 22:18-19 ". . . If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall add unto him the plagues written in this Book." 

      But who cares! They do not really believe!

  5. earnestshub profile image72
    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    If the bible or quoran are the word of god, then anyone who would then follow that murderous entity should be locked away from the rest of us! smile

  6. JonTutor profile image60
    JonTutorposted 15 years ago

    @Mark Very sad news.

  7. world of the wise profile image66
    world of the wiseposted 15 years ago

    In every thing you say, Remember there is judgement. Guys its real

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      lol lol

      Thanks once again. Appreciate it. Look behind you.

  8. Barb H profile image47
    Barb Hposted 15 years ago

    This might be a little off topic. Today a women I work with was complaining (this is quite normal for her) that she is now a persecuted minority in American. She believes strongly that there is now “a Christian minority in America”. Confused by this I asked her what she was referring to and she said only born again Christians are true Christians. What the…… very interesting!

  9. Make  Money profile image67
    Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

    Okay guys, so let's assume that you are not all part of a lucifarian fringe.

    What I am trying to get at is the still not answered question as to why a group of you, that always seems to be the same people continually attack Christian threads in here?

    Recently we have seen an increase in forum threads refuting atheism, but that is clearly a reaction to you guys attack on Christian threads.  Your attacks on Christian threads have been going on since the very first post that I have made in these Religion forums, long before any threads that refute atheism.  So that is clearly not the reason for your continued attacks.

    You guys often say you don't like Christianity shoved down your throat.  But nobody is shoving anything down your throat.  If you don't like Christian threads just avoid them.  So again that also is clearly not the reason for your continued attacks.

    Clearly you must have heard the term live and let live.  In your eyes does that not also include Christians?

    So if you guys are not part of a lucifarian fringe then the question is still not answered.

    What is the purpose of these seemingly organized militant attacks on Christians by basically the same people that have been going on since I started posting in this Religion forum over a year ago?

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Militant? LOL

      Deary me. I tell you what - you guys stop ringing the bells at all hours and knocking on my door to sell me salvation, and dropping leaflets through my letterbox telling me I need to donate to the church, and I will never, ever, ever  bring it up again.

      Seriously - never ever start a thread ever again that assumes a belief in a god, and I will never ever respond.

      I swear.

    2. aka-dj profile image79
      aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Well said!
      I tried to get some resolution on this issue myself. I started the thread "leave us alone", but "they" will not. I now put it down to persecution! Jesus said, "they hated me, and they will hate you also". What's good for the master, is good for the student.
      "Blessed are you when men shall persecute you for righteousness sake". You know more of these verses than I need to quote.

      The funniest thing is, that NONE of these people actually WANT to understand any of "us", even a little bit. They just put us all into the "religionist" box, and that's it. sad sad sad

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        No no. I WANT to understand you a LOT. Please go ahead.

        Looking forward to it................

      2. Make  Money profile image67
        Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah I remember your "leave us alone" thread aka-dj.  Sadly it turned into another attack too.

        You know it really does not make much sense that they spend so much time in here attacking Christians, unless they truly are part of a lucifarian fringe.  I haven't come up with another reason anyway.

  10. Make  Money profile image67
    Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

    Mark you say "Seriously - never ever start a thread ever again that assumes a belief in a god, and I will never ever respond."

    But that is next to impossible in a Religion forum, especially for new members that haven't met you yet. smile

    If you don't like the posts, don't look at them.  Sorry pal this Religion forum was not created just for Mark Knowles. big_smile

    What does the fact that someone rang your door bell have to do with your continued attacks?  Nothing.  I could possibly see that if your attacks were just against JWs or Mormons that go door to door but your attacks are against any Christian post in here.

    Sorry you didn't answer my question yet.

    Until you do I'll have to assume that you are part of a lucifarian fringe.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Attacks? I do not understand. Disagreeing with and arguing against is an attack?

      Hmmmmm.

      I thought I answered your question, but I will have another go:


      Well, you are making (as usual) a lot of assumptions. I belong to no organization. Seemingly is in your head along with all your other irrational beliefs. Militant implies military action, of which I have not partaken, and attacks I think I already dealt with? lol

      That help?

  11. world of the wise profile image66
    world of the wiseposted 15 years ago

    I got a vision, mark will accept Jesus soon- that is what i saw in the vision. The pastor was baptising him

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Oh dear........

      1. world of the wise profile image66
        world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        I advise you not to doubt like Thomas, soon will be laughing at the beliefs you are having now. Am sorry if am offending you but for me i dont belive in the impossibles.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          And I advise you to try and make a little sense before you say anything.

          I do not doubt. I am absolutely certain. Thanks.

    2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      lol lol lol lol

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        How was the brownie?

        1. world of the wise profile image66
          world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Which brownie brother Mark?

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            The best brownie in the world. big_smile

            And you are not my brother - cousin.

            1. world of the wise profile image66
              world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              Ok, i understand am not yet your bro but when my vision comes true, you will be

            2. world of the wise profile image66
              world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              By the way, thanx for the recipe brother

        2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
          Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Laughing hysterically, don't know why.

    3. Make  Money profile image67
      Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      How long did he hold him under the water?  Just kiddin Mark. big_smile

      You know I have actually thought that myself.  Whether Mark believes it or not, in a round about way he is actually getting a lot of people to think about God.

      1. world of the wise profile image66
        world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        May be he is the Saul of this time who will soon become Paul

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          No, I already have a name - and I think it is appropriate - cousin.

          And Mike is correct. As is my intention. wink Does god really tell you to throw a guilt trip on a young woman who chooses the difficult decision of abortion?

          1. world of the wise profile image66
            world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            No woman committs abortion without a feeling of guilt, which makes the practice bad even to those who do not beleve in God,
            Any, i talked about Paul because he first persecuted the church

            1. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, I got that. Perhaps the church needed it? No - couldn't be - the chiurch is perfect......... lol

              Open your eyes cousin and see you have been subsumed.

              I see you have reverted to type though - cousin.

  12. world of the wise profile image66
    world of the wiseposted 15 years ago

    Can a hen teach a dog how to eat meat? If not, can a person who doesnt belive in God show me the light?

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Ah. So you can only see the light if you believe in god huh? How did you decide this was the only way exactly - cousin?

  13. Colebabie profile image59
    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    What's this light everyone keeps talkin' about? I don't see a light...

    1. world of the wise profile image66
      world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You cant see the light until you see christ

      1. Colebabie profile image59
        Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        But what is "the light"?

        1. world of the wise profile image66
          world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Look at the sun, you will see it. Even Gods light is no diffrent, it takes you  out of darkness

          1. Colebabie profile image59
            Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I've had a very very amazing life so far. When I have been in the darkness the people I surround myself with take me out. I know that many people look to God for comfort and support. I just wanted to know what "the light" was. So is "the light" a connection with Christ?

            1. world of the wise profile image66
              world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              The light is the truth, which those who dont belive in God miss

              1. Colebabie profile image59
                Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                But what is "the truth"? Just tryin' to understand...

                1. world of the wise profile image66
                  world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  The truth is that Jesus died for you

      2. Jewels profile image83
        Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Ahhhhh the Solar Logos is the light.

        1. Earthscribe profile image78
          Earthscribeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Logos=Word.
          Solar Word=Christos.
          Christos=Anointed One.

          Those who radiate light, by the act of instructing or teaching through passage of words, are anointed ones.

          That's a lot of Christs in the world! The Light of the World itself in fact, every single one of us smile

          But then, I'm no Christist... however, the Greek definition still stands regardless of my rejection of the Nicene forgery.

          1. Jewels profile image83
            Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I don't mind being an emanation of the Solar Logos, suits me fine.

            Another intelligent person on the religious forum.  smile

    2. Make  Money profile image67
      Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Here it is.  What did you expect, this is The Bible thread in the Religion forum. smile

      http://rationalrevolution.net/images/jesus-bible-14g.jpg

      1. world of the wise profile image66
        world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Let me hope Colebabie has seen the light, and my bro ofcourse

      2. Colebabie profile image59
        Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah I still don't like you.

        1. Make  Money profile image67
          Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Well you are the one that came to The Bible thread in the Religion forum to ask.

          1. Colebabie profile image59
            Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, I asked word of the wise and he answered my questions. Thanks.

  14. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    only narrow minded people need light to see.

    1. world of the wise profile image66
      world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      If light can make me seem, then its better than darkness which will not

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        I'm sorry for you then. I can always see in the dark smile

        1. world of the wise profile image66
          world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Caution: You are about to hit a rock, plz get some light to survive

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I'm not hitting any rock ,man ,. I know who I am. And light is for blind people to see. I'm fully aware, thank you

  15. Colebabie profile image59
    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    So the light is the truth and the truth is that Jesus died for me? Ok I understand. I thought maybe there was some physical light. But no, just a metaphor?

    So when you told me to look at the sun, that was a metaphor too?

    1. world of the wise profile image66
      world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Ya, you have passed the baptismal lesson. plz choose a  day within the week and i send a pastor to you and he baptises you

      1. Colebabie profile image59
        Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Oh no thank you. I was just wondering. Just because I can figure out the baptismal word puzzle doesn't mean I want to be baptized. See, I believe, that everyone has their own right to believe in Christ or not, and that someone can live a good life if they choose not to.

        1. world of the wise profile image66
          world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          So you believe in nothing?

          1. Colebabie profile image59
            Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I believe in being a good person. But the standards upon which I live my life are not based on the stories and words of the Bible.

            1. world of the wise profile image66
              world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              That is good, after all some christians live bad lives, but that doesnt save you

              1. Colebabie profile image59
                Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Save me from what? Going to hell?

                1. world of the wise profile image66
                  world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  From being lost

                  1. Colebabie profile image59
                    Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                    But what makes you think I'm lost?

  16. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    oh I didn't know you were lost, colebabie. I'm so so so sorry ! smile

    1. Colebabie profile image59
      Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Haha. Yeah I'm assuming it's another metaphor. I'm waiting to find out what for.

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Can't you see you have 2 b saved? The thing is... saved from what ????

      2. world of the wise profile image66
        world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        This time its not a metaphor, you need yo find the right path
        plz join the group of those who are gonna be baptiesd throuh hubpages  (Panda man, Knowels, Tantrum...)

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Not really interested in your ignorance. Sorry - you go save yourself. You clearly need it. wink

        2. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          lol lol lol you have a sense of humor! lol

        3. Colebabie profile image59
          Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          But I'm on the right path. I'm 22, I work really hard, I help strangers every day. I'm happy and healthy and ambitious and want to live my life helping others. So why does the "right path" mean being baptized? Maybe that is how you choose to live, but I don't. Good luck with baptizing Mark smile The point is, while you are telling me I must be baptized to "be saved", "see the light" "find the right path", I am telling you, no thank you, I respect the way you live. That's cool. So why try to change me?

          1. world of the wise profile image66
            world of the wiseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I didnt tell you to change, its like how you were telling me ur beliefs in living good life. i accepted it and i now belive like you, For my beliefs, i really dont force you

            1. Colebabie profile image59
              Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              No of course you can't "force" me to do anything. But you did tell me that I needed to find the right path and asked me to be baptized. But that is not what I believe, so you are asking me to "change" my beliefs.

  17. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    I'm begininig 2 believe this is a joke  lol  worldofthewise can't b a true christian. This is 2 funny lol

  18. easyspeak profile image68
    easyspeakposted 15 years ago

    The Bible is NOT the following:

    1) The Bible is NOT a "How-To" manual on life
    2) The Bible does NOT have all the answers
    3) The Bible's primary purpose is NOT to help you have a happy life
    4) The Bible's primary purpose is NOT a list of do's and don't's
    5) Following the Bible will NOT lead you to have all your dreams come true
    6) Obeying the rules in the Bible will NOT get you into heaven.

    The Bible IS a history of redemption.  It primarily shows us that we are incapable of saving ourselves through our works and how God sent His son to pay for our sins so we won't have to.  SECONDARILY, it shows us what a redeemed life looks like and how we should respond to unconditional love.  It happens to have some good diet tips as well.

    1. earnestshub profile image72
      earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I agree about the diet tips!

  19. world of the wise profile image66
    world of the wiseposted 15 years ago

    I dont know where Earnestshub gets all his good but wrong ideas.  I will donate a free copy of the bible to him so that he can discover what he doesnt know yet

  20. earnestshub profile image72
    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    That would be a waste of a bible. I had 9 at last count smile

  21. goodfriendiam profile image59
    goodfriendiamposted 15 years ago

    I can't believe someone keeps unearthing this forum. Its like an omen. LOL... smile

  22. Misha profile image65
    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    LOLZ, Julie, you are too funny lol

    1. Jewels profile image83
      Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Misha, good to see you. smile

      1. Misha profile image65
        Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Love ya too smile

  23. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago

    Anyone pondered the thousands of people who have never read a Bible and still believe wink

    And others also (who have never read the Bible) and practice all kinds of evil wierd acts?

    The Bible means nothing or everything.

    And those who read it , and disgard it.

    One things for certain ,what other book has caused this much discussion in all history?

    It can be a historical document, or an instruction manual for lifes issues ,but IMO it was never meant to replace or supersede a personal relationship with the Author smile

    1. goodfriendiam profile image59
      goodfriendiamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      smile

    2. Jewels profile image83
      Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The dictionary does well too.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Boring as hell to read though wink or critize ,depending on ones leaning

  24. Paradise7 profile image67
    Paradise7posted 15 years ago

    Back to the main question, folks.  Has anyone read the Bible lately?

    I just started to re-read the New Testament.  I found some special value in it, though I have wandered far away in my adult years from the fundamentalist religion I was brought up in at home.

    I like a verse from Matthew where Jesus says, "Consider the lillies of the field.  They toil not, neither do they spin, yet Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these."

    Meaning (at least to me) that we worry to much about money and temporal things when our spiritual life is more important.

    I also like one precept from the Buddhist's Eightfold Path:

    Harm no living thing.

    Of course, it's not quite possible to do when in order to eat, some living thing has to be harmed.  When we walk down the sidewalk, I imagine we're inadvertently killing a few ants.  But, like many ideas that are so beautiful in the Bible, it's the spirit of the thing that counts, not its literal application.

    1. goodfriendiam profile image59
      goodfriendiamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      That's a good thing to read the new testaments part of the book, just don't get lost in all the drama of fear, that is laced through out it. And there are good books in the old, just search out the good, and leave the rest behind. Bud-diam has some great things in their belief also. Just weed out the weeds, and then you will find the gems that are hidden. You know we could learn a lot from an ant if we got down to there level. Yes the spirit is a beautiful thing. dee

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I agree it is the spirit of a very beautiful love letter of a Father reminding mankind who He is , what Hes done ( and continues to do) and where Home really is..

  25. My Friend Shiyloh profile image59
    My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years ago

    My friend says:
    Love seeks reconciliation.

  26. earnestshub profile image72
    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    Exactly! smile

  27. Sybil Marie profile image59
    Sybil Marieposted 15 years ago

    I can't agree more with what Mark was saying, it is amazing to me how many religionists in their Sunday best can quickly put others on the defensive with their remarks.
    Isn't it this attitude that give people of faith a bad name?
    Why would I wish to believe in a God like that!
    But on the other hand GOD is a personal thing. A relationship not a religion. The Greatest commandment is "Love the Lord your God with all your Heart, and love your neighbor as yourself".
    How can I possibly love my neighbor and hit him over the head at the same time.
    Then again the book says "Judge not lest you be judged by the measure you judge others". Since I am just another banana in the bunch with all sorts of short comings how can I possibly judge someone else.

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      "Judge not lest you be judged by the measure you judge others".

      If you don't preach in the forum, you'll going to be all right! From your profile I see you're a true believer. That's all right with me unless you begin to preach. Nobody is going to believe in a God so poorly defended with Bible quotes and preaching nonsense.

      BTW Welcome to hubpages! Take care ! smile

  28. Jerami profile image58
    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    Mark; I can see your point of view and understand it. I also agree with a large portion of what you say. However I do believe that the bible is true. Unfortunately the truth is impossible to see because man has piled a mountain of interpretations upon it. Jesus even complained about them doing that.
        2000 years later,that mountain hasn't gotten any smaller. I believe the truth is under there someplace.
        My grandfather once once said, that THE TRUTH is like  a tree limb..  The leaves represent all the excuses and alibis,  (in this instance "Interpretations")  He said that we gotta shake the leaves off of it, in order to see what it really looks like. I appreciate the way you are shaking the leaves.

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Jerami!! Nice remark ! smile

    2. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The truth is under there someplace. wink

      But I have not met many who have found it thanks to the mountain of BS. So - I have a question for you as you believe the bible is true:

      Am I a fool for not believing in the christian god's existence?

      1. Jerami profile image58
        Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Fool is a harsh word !! I do not remember where it is written but I do remember it written that one of the worst sins a person can comitt is to call another a fool. And in reality "no" I do not think that you are a fool. A fool does not question himself.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          “The fool says in his heart, ”There is no God.”- (Psalm 14:1)

          So - either I am a fool, because I say in my heart "there is no god," or - the bible is wrong. How do you reconcile that with believing the bible to be true?

          1. Valerie F profile image61
            Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Or maybe the Bible is partially correct. I honestly believe anyone who doesn't think they're a fool at least some of the time is delusional.

            1. Shaul Stein profile image61
              Shaul Steinposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              Only the fool says he has never been a fool.

            2. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              LOL

              Twisting again huh?

              I never said I have never been a fool. I have made more foolish mistakes than I care to think about.

              But you are not qualified to judge me.

              Nor have I ever been a fool not to subscribe to your ridiculous belief system.

              How very christian of you to judge me. Just like it says in the bible.

              1. atomswifey profile image57
                atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                The Bible says "professing themselves wise they became as fools". Because people as is true today, they thought they were so very intelligent and yet even with their massive brains they could not believe in the God who created those brains.
                To God this way of thinking is foolish.

                Now having wrote that, do I believe we should go around and call people fools whether I believe them to be or not? No. I believe that we should love one another. And in loving one another we do not insult eachother with comments like that.

                Now as a Christian I think it would be fair to from time to time and depending on the circumstance say, I believe your way of thinking there Mark is rather foolish because....if you get my point.

                And no Mark, the bible in fact teaches for us to not judge eachother because as to whatever we judge others according to, we will also be judged according to. God is "our", meaning humanities only judge.

                But i also fail to see where you have been judged. In that I mean, you very authoritatively announce in these forums just what it is you believe and what it is you don't. Simply because you get a reaction to that does not mean those reacting are "judging" you.

                That scripture (Psalm 14:1) we believe it to be true, and you say "there is no God" there is no judgement there it is what it is.

                Too one could argue that Mark, you have to agree with statement as well.
                What I mean is don't you think it to be foolish to assert such a thing when you take into account what it require for you to know for sure of it?

                Its like this, in order for one to say in an absolute manner "There is no God". One would of had to search every inch, every nook and cranny of the entire universe and all that is contained therein, both high and low and then not only that, but even into the outer reaches of time and space! And then and only then after having not found a God claim that to be the case.

                Now, a more correct terminology for those who believe there isn't one, is to say just that, I don't think, or I don't believe there is one. But then again, I can see where that leaves room for speculation on your part as to His existence and that would be far too hard for you to admit right?

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I was not speaking to you. But I will make a couple of points, and keep it succinct, because I know you have no intention of listening to a word I say:

                  There is a world of difference between what your bible teaches you and the way you are behaving.

                  I do not believe there is a god - which makes me an atheist. You are the one who is certain there is and in absence of any evidence you have taken this absolute position. You also know what this god wants and shout it from the rooftops.Now listen to your argument against me taking absolute position. You are a hypocrite.

                  I am learning all the time of course, and after much interaction with people such as your self, I can and I will take the position that I believe there is no christian god also.

                  As you only understand absolutes, this is the only way to deal with the question. I hear the argument, "well if you have no proof it does not exist, it must therefore exist," too often to think anything other than this is yet another ploy to get me to accept your ridiculous beliefs as in any way valid - which they are not.

                  You have no proof and anyone who speaks in 100% absolutes is  a fool.

                  So - how about this - I do not believe in your invisible super being - but - show me some solid proof and I will start grovelling and shouting at people with the best of them.

                  Trust me - I could do a much, much better job of spreading this rubbish than you are doing. wink

                  1. goodfriendiam profile image59
                    goodfriendiamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                    And that is why Mark hangs here, because he is not so certain. He questions everything. Which is not a "bad" thing at all. good for you mark

                2. earnestshub profile image72
                  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  You are the fool who believes this stuff. Try proving it! lol

      2. Jerami profile image58
        Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Sorry Im' late with your answer been making a living.
        I wouldn't call you a fool for that reason. I don't know ya well enough to call ya late for dinner. An apple aint an orange!! Figure out which one is wrong and you got your answer.

  29. Jerami profile image58
    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    Thanks; always good to see ya on here

  30. profile image0
    \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years ago

    you are no fool..... it is up to you to believe whatever you like.....
    are you rich????? i suspect  you are, as you probably use your wisdom to make lots of money on line ..... nothing wrong wiht that either.... if i did not believe in god i would definately never go in religious forums so many others to go in.....

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Then how do you reconcile the fact that your bible says I am a fool, with the notion that I am not?

      And no - I am not rich. I spent ten years as a massage therapist helping people, whether they could pay me or not and I did not make any money in that time. I only started making a living doing this when I got married and was burned out from the therapy.

      1. profile image0
        \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        my bible does not call any one a fool.... i would love a massage

        1. profile image0
          \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          so you married quite late, i have been married 35 years can you believe that.... i am quite a bit older than you, but you look older than me actually ha ha,,,,, i got married at 17

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Second marriage. The first was when I was 20. She died of breast cancer when I was 32. I certainly do look old on the outside.

            "Ridden hard and put up wet," is the way I have been described. lol

            1. profile image0
              \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              that must of been a terrible blow for you...... they say you only really love once,,,,,,,, i won't ask if that is true would not be fair on your 2nd wife.... lot's of the old people i work with say that though, the ones that have lost their first spouse in death...... i bet that is why you turned your back on god.,.. or did you never believe? My faith was really rocked last year when my mum died of cancer it was terrible to witness the event and there was nothing i could do to stop it happening horrible in the extreme

              1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I really am getting fed up of you people assuming things like this:

                "I bet that was why you turned your back on god."

                How dare you dismiss me in such a fashion? There is no god.

                No - I did not believe in god then either. Neither did she. And at her funeral a friend of ours who is a pastor gave the eulogy - and managed the entire thing without making a reference to god.

                As for the rest of it - thanks for the sympathy, but life is what you make of it. I doubt I would have remarried if she had died aged 75 though. smile

                1. profile image0
                  \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  a PASTOR NOT REFERRING TO GOD OH RIGHT..... sorry if i offended you i did not mean to

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                    Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                    Now you are calling me a liar?

                    Sheesh.

                    YES A PASTOR NOT REFERRING TO GOD.

                    Sorry you do not believe me. You must have an awfully low opinion of me. Oh well......... We were good friends and next door neighbors for years. He agreed never to push his beliefs on me and I agreed never to make fun of his beliefs.

      2. profile image0
        \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          We met when I was 39 - been together ever since - got married 5 years ago and I am 48 today. smile

  31. Jerami profile image58
    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    I can reconcile that by saying that this verse is not quoting God as having said this. This verse is yet another of mans interpretations. It is the God said, Jesus said, Gabriel said, verses that make up the trunk of the tree. I try to abide by those. Verses like that one (Psalms 14:1)   should be examined before we pick it and put it in our pocket,next to our heart.  We caint stop shaking those dead leaves off of the limbs. This is all of the reconciliation that I need.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I see - so some of the bible is the truth and some of it is made up BS that is wrong?

      1. Jerami profile image58
        Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        It is wrong, is we accuse God and Jesus of saying something that they did not say.  " EVERY  ONE " is guilty of wrongly interpretating scriptures.

    2. Sybil Marie profile image59
      Sybil Marieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Interesting thought, I tend to agree. Another thing to consider is translation. A friend of mine is a greek translator, he is also a pastor. When you look at translations the words can mean many different things. :-)

      1. Jerami profile image58
        Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Many times one word (English) can be translated from many different Greek words that have different meanings.

  32. sparksdaniel2000 profile image73
    sparksdaniel2000posted 15 years ago

    The Bible ia a book, and like any other book, its power lies in its readership.

    1. video lost profile image59
      video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, readership among the innocents with empty minds. They can not do this job among the ones like us.

  33. Shaul Stein profile image61
    Shaul Steinposted 15 years ago

    Only the fool says he has never been a fool.

  34. AEvans profile image73
    AEvansposted 15 years ago

    Wherever the Bible is there will always be argument, where believers are there will always be judgement. As a believer we should not be judging one another nor bashing how do we lead others to water when we to thirst for the word? Strength is measured in numbers but when the going got tough What did Jesus do? He certainly did not run around trying to prove his point he moved on trying to save other souls. smile

    1. video lost profile image59
      video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Whenever something wrong of Bibles is exposed, the same type of argument comes just as when some real questions are posed to Freemasons or Zionists, they only reply by saying anti semitism, nothing else.

      If you think you can make other people understand of what they are considering as wrong then you must try to make them get your point, otherwise arguments like dont judge, dont bash are not entertained any more. Judgment is a by default instinct of human beings. Every thing which a human senses is judged all the time without any break.

      1. earnestshub profile image72
        earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Hey sock puppet of usmanali, I still have a list of all the people on your hate list. It includes most of the planet! lol

  35. My Friend Shiyloh profile image59
    My Friend Shiylohposted 15 years ago

    My friend says:
    My favorite book is The Book of Life. big_smile

    1. goodfriendiam profile image59
      goodfriendiamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yes mine to big_smile

  36. earnestshub profile image72
    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    The truth is just around the corner. We are not far away from sending the religious tomes to the mythology department for good.

    Imagine a world without the hate spewed from these books being taken seriously by the psychologically naive.
    A world where we do not kill those who do not follow our beliefs.
    A world with truth and understanding brought about by real knowledge of real things.

    If religionists were not so anally retentive the could find out that what they believe is rubbish by just changing brain chemistry to reduce the fear of the unknown and death in particular.
    Never gonna happen for some tho! fear is deep in the subconscious and without the desire to make ourselves conscious there will be no change. We live our lives trying to interpret our inner lives without the understanding or knowledge to do so.

    We are not conscious of the inner self that enables us to live  our real lives, so we invent crazy theories to cover the gap.

    Like it or not, we are working our way towards this knowledge despite all the religionists dead weight swinging on the other end of the rope! smile

    1. video lost profile image59
      video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      WWI and WWII are the worst of all the wars in the history of mankind and these were started by Non Regligious Idiots.

      1. mohitmisra profile image59
        mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        You are desperately trying to start a  fight with people who are not Muslims by saying all should convert to Islam and follow Muhammad.People like you who have little knowledge of god are the ones responsible for ugly wars in the name of god.

        1. video lost profile image59
          video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Your statements exposed you of dark ages.

          1. mohitmisra profile image59
            mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            In that case the Quran is much darker. smile and so is Muhammad. smile

  37. earnestshub profile image72
    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    What happened sock puppet, lose your dictionary? You are getting senile and repeating yourself! lol

  38. Lisa HW profile image62
    Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

    1039 posts here.  What was the original question?   smile

    1. video lost profile image59
      video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      For that you have to visit page 1

      1. earnestshub profile image72
        earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        .... or just look at the top of your browser smile

  39. earnestshub profile image72
    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    Hitler was a Christian.

    1. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      lol   lol   lol

      But he was no Christ.

      1. mobilephone guide profile image61
        mobilephone guideposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        he is human

    2. video lost profile image59
      video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      He was a name sake Christian. He fully built up his state on the ideology of Communism. And Communism has got no place in Christianity rather it supports Zionism and Freemasonry.

      Also Hitler belonged to the family of Rothschild and served their objective.

      1. profile image0
        wordscribe41posted 15 years agoin reply to this

        I take it you're usmanali?  Weren't you banned from the forums?

        1. video lost profile image59
          video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          who is this usmanali, why are you irritated of him / her ?

          1. profile image0
            wordscribe41posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I'm not irritated by him/her.  Just pointing out that usmanali was the hubber infamous for speaking of Zionism and Freemasonry.  Seems just too familiar.

            1. video lost profile image59
              video lostposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              So may i have a look on your beautiful thoughts for Freemasonry and Zionism

      2. earnestshub profile image72
        earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Ah yes! It comes back to me now sock puppet. Your previous hate list that is!

        Christians
        Hindus
        Zionists
        Freemasons.
        Homosexuals.
        Western Society.
        Women.
        and..... anyone who is not a Muslim! I think that is most of the list. lol

        1. profile image0
          wordscribe41posted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I take it this is usmanali, Earnest?

  40. earnestshub profile image72
    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    Yes it is wordscibe. smile Some of those posting here have never seen his trail of hate. lol

  41. Lisa HW profile image62
    Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

    Ernest, thanks; but apparently, I'm not great with my attempts to occasionally be something of a "funny" wiseguy.  I just found the thousand-plus posts amazing.   smile

    1. earnestshub profile image72
      earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Lisa, (my daughter inlaw shares your lovely name) That is a ship load of posts! Your comment was funny! smile I provided the information for the sock puppet trying to be funny too! smile I knew you would know where to look!

 
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